The Foo Fighters - Classic or Dud?

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*sigh* Favorite band in high school. Yup. I guess that means someday in the future when I'm middle-aged I'll look back at my CD's and reminisce about the good old days when rock meant something, dammit, and my kids will look at me like I'm the biggest dork that ever lived. I know that's how I feel when my dad talks about Peter Frampton.

But no matter. They still rawk, in my eyes. "Everlong" remains my favorite song of the nineties, possibly favorite song ever. It took me a few listens to get into their new singles, though.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 05:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Without sounding too cynical - total dud, crap, shite.

I didn't mind the first record in the light of grunge, but from then on I've been nothing but bored senseless. Not even convinced by Sreynold's claim - 'most dynamic rock single' with that new one. YAWN!

Please convince me otherwise tho...

Michael Dieter, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 05:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

everlong is cool... most emo-ish top 40 song evah?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 05:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the song "See You." It's happy. Other than that, dud.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 05:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Kenny's got a point, actually. While I can see how the recent One by One laid on the post-QOTSA heaviosity a little thick for some, and There Is Nothing Left to Lose is unforgivably dull, The Colour and the Shape is a great mainstream-emo record that actually predated stuff like Jimmy Eat World by quite a few years. (Obviously, if you think JEW sucks, this probably won't sway you.) And the first record is probably one of the few one-man-band discs I still kind of like listening to.

Nick Simmons, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 05:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I liked most of The Colour and the Shape and the first album. After those, the only decent song is "Stacked Actors."

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 06:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

the ultimate "i don't get it" band. one that lots of people -- including people whose tastes i respect -- seem to like. but everytime i hear anything by them, they sound like grunge-gone-corporate blandness (like Pearl Jam, but less so).

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 06:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Never fail to dissapoint me. Every time. In spite of me wanting to like em. Maybe with another vocalist ??

kevin brady (groeuvre), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 07:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mostly dud for me overall, but I have to hand it to their recording engineers - they all sound great. Call 'em the alt.rock Boston.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 08:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

A band who have almost completely passed me by at every stage of their career, despite best mates / girlfriends loving them to bits. neither classic nor dud, but rather 'meh'.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 09:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Based on singles alone - eh. Too bubblegum, not enough personality.
Based on albums, their first was damn good.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 10:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

The fact that they covered "Baker Street" - classic.
The cover itself - dud.


Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 10:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haven't made their 'Venus and Mars' yet

dave q, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 10:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dud for polluting the QOTSA. Does Dave Grohl have to kibbitz with every band on the planet?
Dud for elevating the name Sunny Day Real Estate into a million record reviews as some sort of touchstone
I'd like him as a producer better

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 11:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Foo Fighters are quite nice, with proper songs and also making less annoying noise than Nirvana. Clearly better than Nirvana.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 11:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

i agree with Geir! except for the final sentence.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 12:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

nirvana were far more melodic (and better) than the foo fighters. the foos have a few decent singles, but they don't even work as catchy pop music for me. i'm all on for a bit of straightforward punk-pop, but i need some catchy tunes. the foos don't provide.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 12:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nirvana=more melodic
Foo fighters=more Harmonic
Geir=Most Iconic
Me= Least grammatic

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...

they are really very poor indeed.
i'm listening to 'the colour and the shape' that i just burned on my i-tunes and i'm already considering deleting it because it's sullying the good name of everything else in my library.

classic: the line "sometimes i feel i'm getting stuck between the handshake and the fuck" from 'my poor brain', and that one riff from 'hey, johnny park!'

dud: everything else, including the stuff i haven't bothered to listen to

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link

"Fingernails is pretty.."

Mark G, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Such a bland, mediocre band. V. heartening to see an almost unanimous dud vote.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link

I hate their albums, but the singles are mostly great rock.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 15:59 (sixteen years ago) link

They seem to get progressively worse with each album.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I think Kenny's original post just about nailed it by calling them his favorite band in high school. They weren't mine, but they seem like a band perfect for that role - so that everything they put out after you got out of high school, whenever that was, was bad. So I LOVE LOVE LOVE the first album, <i>Colour and the Shape</i> still holds up pretty good, I would cherry-pick from <i>There Is Nothing Left To Lose</i>, then I graduated high school and everything since then I've heard the single and found it tuneless and grating. I don't know if they actually changed their sound or anything, but their hold on me was completely lost.

Search: All of <i>Foo Fighters</i>, especially the singles plus "Alone & Easy Target" and "Wattershed"... off TCATS, the singles again ("Everlong" and "My Hero" for pete's sake!) and "New Way Home"... off TINLTL, "Stacked Actors," "Live-In Skin."

There's a bunch of other good stuff on those albums but that's the indispensible stuff for me. Definitely the best post-grunge mainstream rock band on the US charts, IMO.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 01:32 (sixteen years ago) link

someday, someday, I will stop doing that

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 01:32 (sixteen years ago) link

i love the first album and the first album only. it's so different from the others, basically because it's a glorified demo tape.

latebloomer, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 01:43 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...


roxymuzak, Saturday, 10 November 2007 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link


Now, when I was in high school, a lad of just 15, having freshly sold my Howard Jones cassingles, I remember their self-titled debut album.

I was too much of a newb to know most of the material Foo drew their work from on their first album, but I really enjoyed (and still do) the clever pop tunes on the album. Even saw them on tour at a small local venue that year and got Dave's autograph on my flannel shirt (fuck you, it was a fad!) and ticket.

But even as a kid with bad taste, I never really got into The Colour and the Shape. It seemed to me that on that particular album, they became more generic and overproduced, and since then I haven't been a fan.

Their material is better than some of the other mainstream stuff out there, but give me their s/t anyday over what they're making now.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 12 November 2007 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link

as a kid with bad taste, I never really got into The Colour and the Shape

Makes sense.

roxymuzak, Monday, 12 November 2007 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Left out two key words in that quote.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 12 November 2007 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link

"indie fuck"

roxymuzak, Monday, 12 November 2007 22:07 (sixteen years ago) link

rofl. If you're going to pigeonhole someone you might want to be in the vicinity. I'm as much an indie fuck as Ally McBeal was a pornographic television show.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 12 November 2007 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link

"as a kid", bro! chillax.

roxymuzak, Monday, 12 November 2007 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I wasn't aware that my neurons were firing any faster :)

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 12 November 2007 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Hesitantly classic. One great album (Colour), one good album (debut), a string of pretty decent mainstream rock singles (with a few duds tossed in), and a good live show means they can't be a complete dud in my book.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 12 November 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Otm, though I'd go one farther and dub everything after Colour/Shape a stinkpatch.

roxymuzak, Monday, 12 November 2007 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd say disc 1 of In Your Honor comes fairly close to being as good as the first two albums. Disc 2 really sinks the album's overall batting average, though.

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 04:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Dud to the fucking max. I have a lot of hate for the Foo Fighters if only for their being a shining example of radio rock.

Bus Driver Stu, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 05:06 (sixteen years ago) link

o noez!

The Reverend, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 05:10 (sixteen years ago) link

I hope it's not too late for Pat Smear's pixie dust to help now that he's back.

da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 06:10 (sixteen years ago) link

I am a one way motorway
I'm the one that drives away
Then follows you back home
I am a street light shining
I'm a wild light blinding bright
Burning off alone

It's times like these you learn to live again
It's times like these you give and give again
It's times like these you learn to love again
It's times like these time and time again

I am a new day rising
I'm a brand new sky
To hang the stars upon tonight
I am a little divided
Do I stay or run away
And leave it all behind?

It's times like these you learn to live again
It's times like these you give and give again
It's times like these you learn to love again
It's times like these time and time again

This was written by a former member of Nirvana.

da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 06:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Not sure what point you're trying to make there, but okay.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link

so, Nirvana sucked. Foo Fighters sucked too. what's yr point?

stephen, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah plenty of Nirvana songs have lyrics as lame as that. and none of them have cool 7/8 riffs like that song has.

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

it is my belief that There Is Nothing Left To Lose is a very fine power-pop record (cf 'Generator', 'Learning To Fly', 'Aurora')

stevie, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Too inconsistent to be classic, too many good songs to be dud.

rogermexico., Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link

like the first album but not enough to listen to it, extremely puzzled by their continued existence and (apparent) vitality

Billy Pilgrim, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Thematically they shifted from "alternative" jibberish to "DAMN, woman, why can't you stop me from cheating on you" hard rock just as rock stations did, without getting so blatantly macho as to turn off the old fans who can still listen to rock stations.

da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:07 (sixteen years ago) link

plus Grohl can still write a hook

da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:07 (sixteen years ago) link

whether or not you like nirvana, its pretty funny what a Hagar Grohl has become when you look back at his roots.

da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link

here's the complete clip of "my hero" with shane hawkins

cannot describe the way this makes me feel

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 September 2022 18:54 (one year ago) link

That was fantastic. Aw, Pat hugging the kid at the end.

Has Dave had a perm?

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Sunday, 4 September 2022 19:37 (one year ago) link

Pat seems like such an open, joyful/caring dude.

I think Dave’s just in need of a hot oil treatment. Dry scraggly just like mine :(

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 September 2022 22:07 (one year ago) link

Par Smear lost band members in the Germs, Nirvana and now in Foo Fighters, too

StanM, Monday, 5 September 2022 03:38 (one year ago) link

Shane looks like he stepped out of a 70s Disney animation. Beautiful clip, one thing I really enjoyed was the band working with him to keep it all stuck together so well. Wonderful musical and human skills.

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 5 September 2022 05:20 (one year ago) link

I only caught a moment of highlights but I enjoyed the guy from the Darkness out there in a silver jump suit open to the pubes.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 5 September 2022 05:23 (one year ago) link

Saw 60 seconds of "My Hero" and I was shattered, I don't know how I could manage to watch the whole concert.

Sam Weller, Monday, 5 September 2022 14:00 (one year ago) link

Sam still pretty shook that Gaz and the lads put their differences aside to reform.

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Monday, 5 September 2022 15:52 (one year ago) link

Pat Smear lost band members in the Germs, Nirvana and now in Foo Fighters, too

― StanM, Sunday, September 4, 2022 10:38 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I hadn’t thought about this, but yeah.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 5 September 2022 18:28 (one year ago) link

yeah well that happens when you live to be 150 like Pat Smear

akm, Monday, 5 September 2022 19:24 (one year ago) link

same when they did “let there be rock” w brian johnson - foos are like half the age of acdc & everyone including lars were already gassed by the bridge lol

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, September 3, 2022 2:26 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Of all the drums at this event Lars is about the last one I would pick to play an AC/DC song given his extreme allergy to anything close to a groove

The Pretenders I thought were great

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 16:09 (one year ago) link

james gang reunion was my personal fave but i enjoyed pretty much everything

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 18:12 (one year ago) link

i think i like the Medicine at Midnight album more now than i did than when it came out

love dies young is v good?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 September 2022 02:11 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Sounds like they are officially carrying on without Hawkins (if that was in doubt):

— Foo Fighters (@foofighters) December 31, 2022

Wet Legume (morrisp), Saturday, 31 December 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Josh Freese has been announced as the new drummer, surprising ... probably no one.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 May 2023 20:52 (eleven months ago) link

MaresNest, Monday, 22 May 2023 09:06 (eleven months ago) link

MaresNest, Monday, 22 May 2023 09:42 (eleven months ago) link

Josh Freese is so good, anytime that guy is involved in anything is just tremendous, he even keeps a lot of Taylor's choices in the performance, Josh Freese for president

Florin Cuchares, Monday, 22 May 2023 09:49 (eleven months ago) link

xpost - ok that was funny

StanM, Monday, 22 May 2023 13:44 (eleven months ago) link

Better quality version of the live stream -

MaresNest, Monday, 22 May 2023 14:02 (eleven months ago) link

Can we talk about the alternate reality where Dave Grohl and Louise Post never broke up and this is just what the Foo Fighters always sounded like and how I wanna be there

Florin Cuchares, Thursday, 25 May 2023 13:07 (eleven months ago) link

Heh I heard about Freese a few months ago from a friend in the know, seemed like the sensible and inevitable choice.

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2023 16:26 (eleven months ago) link

“show me how” is excellent, best song i’ve heard from them since wasting light

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 May 2023 16:33 (eleven months ago) link

They should have held auditions for the content though. The Dream Theater drummer audition videos are great in a Spinal Tap/Some Kind of Monster way, doesn't matter if you hate the band, which everyone does (and should).

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Thursday, 25 May 2023 16:33 (eleven months ago) link

Yeah, Dream Theatre are fucking nonsense but I loved watching them struggle through (or not) the mad bit of math rock they had concocted to test each drummer out.

MaresNest, Thursday, 25 May 2023 16:36 (eleven months ago) link

I thought the Taylor Hawkins Tribute Concerts were kind of fun live drummer auditions, and I think they made the right choice but like...what if Omar Hakim joined the Foo Fighters?

Also Taylor's son Shane is absolutely capable but am glad they're not shoving a teenager in mourning into the most famous rock band on the planet

I wonder if Dave ever considered taking over on drums and finding new singers?

Florin Cuchares, Friday, 26 May 2023 07:52 (eleven months ago) link

this video will prob get deleted eventually, but it's another new song from that stream where josh freese was announced as their drummer, chorus is the closest i've heard grohl come to the foos s/t sound in some time

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 26 May 2023 18:50 (eleven months ago) link

“foo fighters stretching out” is usually a recipe for boredom but this 10 minute song is actually really good?

best foos record in ten years imminent

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 18:21 (eleven months ago) link

yeah, the new LP is excellent. my favourite from them since there is nothing left to lose. grohl's long been great at the craft of the rock anthem but these ones are actually about something meaningful.

serving aunt (stevie), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 19:47 (eleven months ago) link

Teachers single and video are very cool. Have not been this excited about foo music in a long time.

Psychocandy Apple Grey (Pyschocandles), Thursday, 1 June 2023 02:04 (eleven months ago) link

hoo yeah this album rules. one of my favorites of the year

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 June 2023 19:08 (eleven months ago) link

guitar tones are perfect throughout, almost thought this was produced by vig (it’s self-produced with assistance from greg kurstin, somehow it sounds bigger and deeper and more like siamese dream than their actual recorded-to-tape vig album)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 June 2023 19:10 (eleven months ago) link

"beyond me" is like if a power ballad by heart were also a shoegaze song

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 June 2023 19:46 (eleven months ago) link

and the title track reminds me of mastodon

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 June 2023 20:15 (eleven months ago) link

fuck i think i love this album
i might cry

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 3 June 2023 03:17 (eleven months ago) link

it’s the best

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 3 June 2023 03:45 (eleven months ago) link


also i did in fact cry … damn, “rest” really got to me

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 3 June 2023 03:49 (eleven months ago) link

i love the insane build from verse to chorus in Nothing At All — totally sounds like “Breed” for a moment

i also selfishly like having Dave on drums for this album for comfort/nostalgic reasons. but sad that he had to

Under You is the one that really gets me, love the hook for that so much

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 3 June 2023 07:09 (eleven months ago) link

Under You is about both and all and blah blah blah, but ... i mean ... it's about Kurt, right? if we're honest, it's about Kurt.

alpine static, Monday, 5 June 2023 19:03 (eleven months ago) link

Genius annotations and every article about the song says it's about Hawkins and maybe it is.

But to me, it's about Kurt.

alpine static, Monday, 5 June 2023 20:44 (eleven months ago) link

the new one is pretty good but they still can't quite make a great album, it merely reaches the quality of their previous best work (the colour and the shape and wasting light) where there's some excellent material but also some that's just fine. a little disappointing because the singles had me hoping they might get there and they almost did. in some places it finally feels like the same band that made "everlong" which has always been weirdly singular in their catalogue. the dreamy guitar tones are lovely too and going full siamese dream on "rest" is a great move.

went back and checked out the singles for the last few albums and wow what the hell had they been doing? some absolutely dreadful stuff

ufo, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 11:57 (eleven months ago) link

I'd have to agree, though to be fair, being a good singles band for a decade and a half is nothing to sneeze at. Greatest Hits is too thin to fit the bill (especially when it's diluted with a couple of unremarkable re-recordings and a couple of underwhelming new tracks), but a compilation that strings together their 18 or 20 best singles would be highly welcome.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 18:20 (eleven months ago) link

this album being so good triggered a foo fighters discog run. s/t through wasting light was better than i remembered. post-wasting light, worse. medicine at midnight is godawful

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 18:45 (eleven months ago) link

there is nothing left to lose is a flawless power pop record btw

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 18:50 (eleven months ago) link

"godawful" is harsh, pretty sure i'd like medicine more on second listen, it just did nothing i want a foo fighters record to do outside of "love dies young," which is the cruelly the last song

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 19:01 (eleven months ago) link

idk, I think "godawful" isn't far off for MatM, and I'm usually an apologist for these guys

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 20:36 (eleven months ago) link

the new one is basically what i'd want there is nothing left to lose to have been, a similar shiny guitar tone but the songs are stronger overall

post-wasting light grohl seemed to become obsessed with recording session gimmicks to keep him interested? & they got out of their comfort zone but completely forgot how to play to their strengths at all

ufo, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 20:48 (eleven months ago) link

there is nothing left to lose is a flawless power pop record btw

I still think it's their best.

serving aunt (stevie), Thursday, 8 June 2023 09:31 (eleven months ago) link

A coworker just sent me pics from a recent music fest; he was standing with his bf watching Peaches perform, and noticed Grohl was standing right behind them. His bf got a few selfies w/Grohl... pretty cool!

Day 1 fan (morrisp), Thursday, 8 June 2023 22:33 (eleven months ago) link

five months pass...

revisiting the new one, god the best parts of this are like the best foos record ever. also really appreciate “the glass”’s resemblance to “in the meantime”

ivy., Saturday, 25 November 2023 18:14 (five months ago) link

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