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I want to like the Sound so very much, and they seem to regarded as having been tragically overlooked, but I just find them a bit too plodding and serious and, ngh, depressing. Like they only manage to do the ugly-depressing New Dawn Fades/I Remember Nothing Joy Division bits without having any corresponding Disorder sad-but-purty bits (I suspect I'd probably think Winning was a lot nicer if the 'I'm gonna make it after all!' sentiment wasn't offet by the 'Hang on a minute, this guy jumped in front of a train three years ago!' realisation).

I've only got Jeopardy and Lion's Mouth, and I like brief snatches of Jeopardy and Winning and New Dark Age off FTLM (and the Hothouse single, which is the only thing by them I really love). If possible could anyone use words and reasoning to convey to me why I should full-on love them after all?

Ferg (Ferg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hang on, did I delete the bit where I said Borland sounds like Bono? That's a pretty major block for me. I've been conditioned to want post-punk types to sound all smug and witty and erudite, not earnest and waily. It's not his fault U2 got big after him, but still.

Ferg (Ferg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Sound's best moments, it seems to me, had a lot in common with the Big Music urges of U2, the Alarm, Big Country, pre-folk Waterboys and post-weirdness Simple Minds, so if that kind of thing seems not quite bleak or ironic enough for you, I wouldn't expect that there's any case that would convince you. My personal favorite Sound thing is the reissue with the Shock of Daylight EP and Heads and Hearts, by which point there's even less Joy Division left to detect. Borland's solo work never quite worked itself out, I thought, and the posthumous record was just a mistake.

ara, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I bought Lion's Mouth and enjoyed it, even though the production was sub-Hannett at best

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

From the Lions Mouth is one of my favorite albums. They're all good:

1. From the Lions Mouth
2. Jeopardy
3. Thunder Up
4. Heads and Hearts
5. All Fall Down

Patrick South (Patrick South), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 22:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They wrote "Total Recall" and "Wildest Dreams" = they will forever have a warm place in my heart. Honorable mention for Borland's "Bright White Light" from the solo days too. RIP.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 23:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
My downstairs neighbor William played these guys for me (stuff from the first two albums) and I was SHOCKED how good it was (at least on first reaction). Where is the Sound love? Aside from some random mention in an issue of Mojo I accidently bought I haven't heard about these guys anywhere else.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

wow I agree w. miccio

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

there's another thread around miccio, dr. c is big on them.

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think they're alright.

Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

from the lion's mouth and jeopardy rock. i love those albums.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

now seward's on board!

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

patrin?

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i am , how you say, le sucker for that kinda shit.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yeah I saw that thread and there's only 9 responses to that one. I'm just ecstatic cuz its rare I hear an old group from a genre I think I've tapped that really knocks me out. I thought folks would be all over this stuff. Better or worse than the Chameleons (who I haven't heard yet)?

Haha, when I was hearing them I immediately wondered if Scott has posted about these guys yet.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

though I was REALLY impressed when I was confusing them with the Music and thought they were a new band.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you've never heard the chameleons!!!!??? Ai Yi Yi!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

don't let ned hear you say that.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

me either. but I love THIS stuff. the sound, the comsats, the passage etc.

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

he's heard! he's heard! I think the key thing is I really want to.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(btw, Scott, I send you my address NOW. I keep forgetting too)

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think the key thing is I really want to.

Indeed. Similarly with the Comsat Angels.

though I was REALLY impressed when I was confusing them with the Music and thought they were a new band.

Heh. I like that.

I think they're alright.

Yeah, Andy's sorta ambivalent, really.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

school them on the chams ned. wouldya. i'm cooking lasagna.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

AMG entry -- I think I've provided literally every review there, so just go forth.

A separate take on the 2002 American tour.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

thanks to Jack Rabid's inescapability in the musichound and Trouser Press guides I definitely know the story of the Chams already. They just don't pop up in the local store. I'm actually headed to Pittsburgh some month and William (the neighbor in question) is going to force me to buy LOTS of Raggesewardage (his fave band of all time is Joy Division). It thought you'd be pleased.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

You call your brain 'it'? Or something else?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

argh. I thought you would pleased. typo!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ned Raggett is Buffalo Bill:
"It puts the Chameleons CD in the shopping cart. IT PUTS THE CHAMELEONS CD IN THE SHOPPING CART!"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Good, good. Now tell me I'm pretty.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

can i just say what my favorite thing is that jack rabid does: when he's interviewing one of his heroes and he says something like:"I don't expect you to remember this but when you played the Mudd Club in 1982 i was in the bathroom and you came in and you bumped me and then you said sorry and i said no problem and then you left. i mean it was a long time ago so...." cue embarassing silence from whoever he is interviewing. but it's cute the way he does it.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

haha!

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I like when he asks them if they agree with him that things were better in the old days.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"didn't bands our age after work harder than the damn weiner kids?"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"didn't bands our age have to work harder than the damn weiner kids?"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

plus I cry tears of joy when I see a Wipers review NOT written by him.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Try knocking his 1500-word reviews of German two-part Bad Religion singles down to 300!

Andy K (Andy K), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Haha!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i don't think i've ever heard Down By Law or Leatherface, two bands that jack has written at least 50,000 words on.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 28 February 2004 02:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

argh! jim dissed Hugh Jones' production
Hugh Jones rules!

"Contact The Fact" ROXOR!

(help I've turned into Geeta) ! ! ! !

Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 28 February 2004 03:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So .. who else is excited about this? - http://www.renascent.co.uk/pagessound/bbc.html

(Ordered mine a while ago, but it hasn't shown up yet.. waaah, I want it now!)

Muppet Boy, Saturday, 28 February 2004 05:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have Shock of Daylight, it's good.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 28 February 2004 07:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

A BBC double CD? Holy shit!

jazz odysseus, Saturday, 28 February 2004 07:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

argh! jim dissed Hugh Jones' production
Hugh Jones rules!

haha i've come to like the production. there's much to like about Hugh Jones' work, definitely.

the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 28 February 2004 08:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ha! A good band. My friend N picked up a copy of Jeopardy for a quid in a 2nd hand shop in 1981 and several of us instantly switched onto them. We started going to see them - they were v.good live - I must have seen them 10 times or so, including Stafford Futurama (with Bow Wow Wow, Killing Joke, UK Decay, Simple Minds, Ludus, Jah Wobble, Felt, Cabaret Voltaire, Bauhaus, Gang of Four, Virgin Prunes, Sisters Of Mercy, Section 25, Comsats....etc!!), The Marquee gigs which were released as 'In The Hothouse' and a great gig at The Lyceum with The Blue Orchids and The Comsat Angels. Borland was a frightening live performer and a grebt guitar player. I'm not sure that it always came across on recd they way they wanted it to, especially the dull later albums from 'Shock of Daylight' onwards, but for me the first 3 are essential. I think the debut has the best songs, FTLM is the most coherent insight into their world and All Fall Down is simply genius -it's my favourite because they took a risk and changed their sound exactly at the point where everyone expected a transformation into U2/EATB style 'epic-ness'. A work of real bravery and emotion with one of THE greatest songs ever written in 'Monument'.I got to know Adrian a little bit about 10 years ago - just by chance his solo band were rehearsing at the same place that a band I was in was using - and he was a really nice bloke - happy to talk about the Sound and really positive for the future. He told me that his favourite work that they did was FTLM - he really wanted to see it come out on CD. Sadly he never did. He told me that Max Mayers had died in the late 1980's after moving to the USA, he'd lost touch with Graham and Mike Dudley had become a computer programmer.
I really should get Propaganda and this new BBC thing looks really good - especially the first session with the wonderful Bi Marshall. I still have my original vinyl copies of the first 3 recds - I'm going to crank up Jeopardy now - 'Heartland', now there's a song! Thing is though, Adrian said it all on the first song on the first album - 'I Can't Escape Myself'. Brutal, too brutal.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Saturday, 28 February 2004 10:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Leatherface is pretty decent, Scott!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 28 February 2004 19:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Dr. C: Once my Memory Theft 3000 device becomes fully operational, you will be third or fourth on my hitlist. Just thought I'd let you know that.

Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 29 February 2004 03:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Andy, will the MT3000 be available for retail purchase or rental?

Clarke B., Sunday, 29 February 2004 18:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
Revive!

I got the dual disc BBC Recordingsdisc and, well, holy fucking shit. Multiply all previous "they shoulda been huge" comments by a factor of 100.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Additionally, I'm totally enthralled by the three Honolulu Mountain Daffodils albums that Borland was part of in the late 80s. Anyone know what the deal was with them?

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I really really must get that BBC collection. Now if only the Comsats one was back in print (but thank goodness for mp3s).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Been thinking about things that make me upset with music . . .

Why the fuck didn't someone (not on ILM, I know you guys have sense but I just joined) but y'know a good friend, a watchful parent, SOMEBODY!, why did no one ever have the common decency to alert me to The Sound before all their LP's became so horribly impossible to get at a reasonable price?

AnotherDeadHero, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 20:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yes, a guardian musical angel would be a nice thing to have. But even if you're late to the game, in this modern world there are folks who can hook you up if the system fails you.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I hadn't listened to In The Hothouse in a long time (usually go to the furious BBC Sessions) and had forgotten what a tremendous unstoppably powerful slow burn it is. "Sense Of Purpose -> Missiles" 1-2 TKO

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 06:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Somebody MUST reissue the whole of the Outsiders work. Renescent? Dan Selzer?

Dr.C, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 10:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

YES. And soon.

the morals of a tomcat and the manners of a wolf (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 11:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Massively, massively amazing band. I discovered them about ten years ago and still play them regularly. I was recently fortunate enough to stumble upon beautiful-condition original pressings of From the Lion's Mouth, All Fall Down, and Heads and Hearts, all at the same place.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 25 May 2011 13:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Somebody MUST reissue the whole of the Outsiders work. Renescent?

Renascent is no longer active, is it?

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 13:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, according to their site, House Of Love and Woodentops were the last reissues they did in 2007. Bummer.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

There's also this:

http://www.occultation.co.uk

I know them because they're doing the Distractions CD that was one of the first reissues I tried to do. They have Wild Swans, so maybe they're somehow related to Renescent

I currently have my hands full with 6 LP/Digital releases, starting with Disco Zombies and Happy Refugees.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Oh look, the first two albums are finally getting another reissue.

I wonder if there's any sound improvement over the Renascent reissues?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 8 January 2012 04:03 (six years ago) Permalink

Did you think there was anything wrong with the Renascent remasters?

Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 8 January 2012 17:14 (six years ago) Permalink

oh that's excellent news, for some reason i missed the renascent ones

call all destroyer, Sunday, 8 January 2012 17:16 (six years ago) Permalink

xp Not really, though word is they were remastered from vinyl and if the original masters were found it might be an improvement.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 8 January 2012 18:00 (six years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Dr. C's wish has been fulfilled - the two Outsiders albums have been reissued on CD by Cherry Red!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:07 (six years ago) Permalink

They included the One to Infinity EP, too, thank god!

shabba lambides (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 05:56 (six years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Classic, of course! One can't help but listen to a song like, for example, 'Skeletons' and marvel at the fact that this band didn't become huge.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Saturday, 1 December 2012 23:52 (five years ago) Permalink

these guys are great. totally killed jeopardy and lion's mouth in college, think it's been enough time to rediscover

Spectrum, Sunday, 2 December 2012 02:39 (five years ago) Permalink

There's nothing more for me to say than what I've already posted in this thread. Adrian's body of work needs an anthology, covering all his main avenues and side streets, which just might reintroduce him to the world.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 2 December 2012 04:38 (five years ago) Permalink

I hadn't realised that 'Thunder Up' was on eMusic until I saw the mention up thread last night, hearing it for the first time now.

"Total Recall" is incredible.

michaellambert, Sunday, 2 December 2012 13:49 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctIaWNezydg

^ Love this take of Winning, they were on fire here.

a la recherche du tempbans perdu (NickB), Sunday, 20 January 2013 00:17 (five years ago) Permalink

That from Utrecht, 1982, No Nukes festival, one of the 5 live albums released by Renascent. Fantastic stuff.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 20 January 2013 01:58 (five years ago) Permalink

Aw man, that's a great rendition. Just seen what the original poster wrote about it here:

I suspect I'd probably think Winning was a lot nicer if the 'I'm gonna make it after all!' sentiment wasn't offet by the 'Hang on a minute, this guy jumped in front of a train three years ago!' realisation

― Ferg (Ferg), Tuesday, March 18, 2003 8:08 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and I totally agree. Knowing that Borland would commit suicide in the most horrific way turns the way I feel about this song completely on its head. On its surface, it's a song about getting on top of a battle with depression and bad circumstances, but after knowing that Adrian killed himself and HOW he killed himself, the song feels so much more desperate. Like he wants to be "winning", rather than he is "winning". The song doesn't console me and make me feel like I can overcome obstacles in life; on the contrary, it makes me feel incredibly sad. The guy who wanted to win, more than anything in the fucking universe, sadly didn't. It's upsetting.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:14 (five years ago) Permalink

That's one perspective, agreed. And every April I shed a tear for the poor bastard whose music will live with me forever.

BUT... For a time, he WAS winning his personal battles, and in some places he was winning the hearts and minds of fans.

The fact that his end was so dark doesn't diminish the power of the song, and it still inspires me.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:30 (five years ago) Permalink

I think of the Sound when I listen to Soror Dolorosa.

glenn mcdonald, Sunday, 20 January 2013 03:23 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Lovely news here -- a new Sound box set covering the first few years. Mostly replicating the various Renascent reissues on first blush but even so, nice to see this happening:

http://www.redsunrecords.com/the-sound-boxset-2014-reissue

DISC ONE - JEOPARDY

I Can’t Escape Myself
Heartland
Hour Of Need
Words Fail Me
Missiles
Heyday
Jeopardy
Night Versus Day
Resistance
Unwritten Law
Desire
Physical World (Physical World EP)
Brute Force (B-Side Of ‘Heyday’ Single)
Heartland (Live Instinct EP)
Brute Force (Live Instinct EP)
Jeopardy (Live Instinct EP)
Coldbeat (Live Instinct EP)
Heartland (BBC Session October 1980)
Unwritten Law (BBC Session October 1980)
Jeopardy (BBC Session October 1980)
I Can’t Escape Myself (BBC Session October 1980)
DISC TWO - FROM THE LION’S MOUTH

Winning
Sense Of Purpose
Contact The Fact
Skeletons
Judgement
Fatal Flaw
Possession
The Fire
Silent Air
New Dark Age
Point Of No Return (Single B-side)
Hot House (Single B-side)
Coldbeat (Single B-side)
New Dark Age (Live)
Fatal Flaw (BBC Session November 1981)
Skeletons (BBC Session November 1981)
Hothouse (BBC Session November 1981)
New Dark Age (BBC Session November 1981)

DISC THREE - ALL FALL DOWN

All Fall Down
Party Of The Mind
Monument
In Suspense
Where The Love Is
Song And Dance
Calling The New Tune
Red Paint
Glass And Smoke
We Could Go Far
The One And A Half Minute Song (All Fall Down Sessions)
Sorry (All Fall Down Sessions)
As Feeling Dies (All Fall Down Sessions)
We Could Go Far (unreleased original version)
Plenty (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)
‘Neath Dancing Waves (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)
Amber (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)
Scapegoat In A Country Churchyard (This Cover Keeps Reality Unreal EP)

DISC FOUR - BBC LIVE IN CONCERT

Originally broadcast 21st November 1981
BBC Intro - Pete Drummond
Unwritten Law
Skeletons
Fatal Flaw
Winning
Sense Of Purpose
Heartland
New Dark Age
Originally broadcast 15th June 1985
BBC Intro - Pete Drummond + Intro music
Golden Soldiers
Under You
Total Recall
Burning Part Of Me
Whirlpool
Missiles
* releasedate 14th April 2014

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 17:00 (four years ago) Permalink

That's a lot of repeated stuff, but at least a disc's worth of stuff I don't have/never heard.

Austin, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 18:32 (four years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

My copy arrived today, sounds great on first listen, will A/B with Renascent copies.

Good interview with Bi Marshall here:
http://awww.pennyblackmusic.co.uk/MagSitePages/Article.aspx?id=7387

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 8 May 2014 02:25 (four years ago) Permalink

http://blog.anymeeting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/charlie-sheen-winning.png

The Sound - Winning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWaN5aUbSLU
my favorite The Sound song, followed by 2.Unwritten Law 3.I Can't Escape Myself 4.Missiles (the Jeopardy version of all three songs.) http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Jeopardy/4042587

TabForaCause.com, Thursday, 8 May 2014 06:35 (four years ago) Permalink

The new box definitely adds something to the mix, more depth, not as flat as the Renascent CDs. And no extra bass or anything like that.

I still think the "All Fall Down" outtakes are at the wrong speed despite claims that's what Adrian intended.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 10 May 2014 21:13 (four years ago) Permalink

Still waiting for mine. Where are you in the world, Gerald?

Every review that I've seen of the new set goes out of its way to mention how much of an improvement the mastering is over the Renascent editions (which I thought were not bad by any means).

austinato (Austin), Saturday, 10 May 2014 22:11 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm in Boston, ordered from AmazonUK and it took just over a week.

I must say, I hadn't listened to the studio versions in a few years as the live takes are generally much fiercer.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 11 May 2014 02:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Got mine today!

Couldn't stand it, so I skipped straight to All Fall Down. I noticed right away what you mean with "more depth." 'Glass and Smoke' actually has dynamics now!

Thought the Renascent editions would be hard to top, but somehow they did it.

austinato (Austin), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 00:00 (four years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Okay, next and presumably last Sound box set now up for preorder:

http://www.redsunrecords.com/the-sound-shock-of-daylight-heads-hearts-in-the-hothouse-thunder-up-propaganda-5-cd-set

DISC ONE - Shock Of Daylight

Golden Soldiers
Longest Days
Counting The Days
Winter
New Way Of Life
Dreams Then Plans
BONUS - Restless Songs and Golden Soldiers - The Lost Demo Recordings
Golden Soldiers (demo)
A New Way Of Life (demo)
Counting The Days (demo)
Mining For Heart (demo)
Oiled (demo)
Steel Your Air (demo)
Fall Of Europe (demo)
Love Is Not A Ghost (demo)
Blood And Poison (demo)
Whirlpool (demo)
DISC TWO - Heads And Hearts

Whirpool
Total Recall
Under You
Burning Part Of Me
Love Is Not A Ghost
Wildest Dreams
One Thousand Reasons
Restless Time
Mining For Heart
World As It Is
Temperature Drop
BONUS - B-Sides & Rare
Blood And Poison
Steel Your Air
Oiled
Shimmer
DISC THREE - In The Hot House (Live)

Winning
Under You
Total Recall
Skeletons
Prove Me Wrong
Wildest Dreams
Burning Part Of Me
Heartland
Hothouse
Judgement
Counting The Days
Red Paint
Silent Air
Sense Of Purpose
Missiles
DISC FOUR - Thunder Up

Acceleration Group
Hand Of Love
Barria Alta
Kinetic
Iron Years
Prove Me Wrong
Shot Up And Shut Down
Web Of Wicked Ways
I Give You Pain
Hand Of Love
You've Got A Way
BONUS - B-Sides
Iron Years (Remix)
I Give You Pain (Live)
Fall Of Europe
Such A Difference To Me
DISC FIVE - Propaganda

No Salvation
Deep Breath
Cost Of Living
Quarter Past Two
Night Vs. Day
Physical World
Statik
Music Business
Propaganda
Words Fail Me
One More Escape
Missiles

Most interested in those _Shock of Daylight_ era demos.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 November 2014 15:26 (four years ago) Permalink

I love Shock of Daylight, kind of for sentimental reasons (first record of theirs I bought), but mostly cos that first side is knockout stuff imo. That sublime guitar part in Longest Days just melts me. Have heard it said that Terry Bickers was a big fan of Borland, and really it's not that far from Longest Days to Love In A Car - both borne out of lovely tremulous guitar lines; songs that make me catch my breath, not wanting the spell to be broken.

Apart from that and the live album, I don't actually know any of the other stuff on that box. Any good?

john wahey (NickB), Monday, 10 November 2014 16:01 (four years ago) Permalink

Just in case anyone doesn't know it already...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FhikwpRR58

john wahey (NickB), Monday, 10 November 2014 16:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Heads and Hearts and Thunder Up both have a lot of good songs on them -- I'm particularly fond of the former's "Wildest Dreams" -- and Propaganda is a nice early demos collection just before he started up the Sound as such.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 November 2014 16:05 (four years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

The second box set arrived today. Digging into the extra stuff - the demos are interesting but I'm often amazed at how a decent sounding demo can go on to become an incredible finished song.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 16 March 2015 22:21 (three years ago) Permalink

Just became aware of, and ordered, the second box set. Fantastic.

And early talk of a possible third set: http://www.brittleheaven.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=29

austinato (Austin), Monday, 16 March 2015 23:54 (three years ago) Permalink

A quick A/B comparison of the new box vs the Renascent releases: not a big difference in sound quality, the box sounds like it's just a touch brighter and Adrian's vocals are clearer, especially on "In The Hothouse". A nice improvement overall but not as noticeable as with the first box.

I especially like having a proper version of "Oiled", for which I previously had a vinyl rip. What a fantastic song!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 20 March 2015 15:35 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh, but they edited out some of the intro/outro stage chatter from "Hothouse". I don't know how I feel about that as I'm so used to it being there.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 20 March 2015 15:49 (three years ago) Permalink

And while I'm being pedantic, the live version of "I Give You Pain" sounds like it's from a different show than the one on the 12".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 20 March 2015 16:17 (three years ago) Permalink

Gonna get the new sets as soon as my tax refund comes in, should fill in the gaps in my Renascent discs / general knowledge of The Sound nicely. Til then, I second Ned's honorable mention, 12 years ago, of Borland's solo stuff, I particularly like "Long Dark Train" from the same 1996 album. And I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that no one's mentioned the song "AD RE: IAN," the 2013 tribute to Borland and another guy whose name I'm sure you can guess, from Slumberland gloomies Wax Idols. I felt a nice jolt when I heard of that song, as The Sound seem to be still so unrecognized 30 years after "Heads and Hearts" produced no hits. I'm not well-versed in this band's history, but I wonder if they purposefully avoided choosing "Total Recall" and "Love is Not a Ghost" as singles to escape the certain mega-fame that would have entailed.

geoffreyess, Friday, 20 March 2015 22:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Got the box in the mail yesterday and have made my way through a good chunk of it.

Thunder Up is the most dramatically improved, as it never received a remaster job.

Really nice to have all these b-sides as well.

Another winner of a set.

austinato (Austin), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 03:15 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Aw man, that's a great rendition. Just seen what the original poster wrote about it here:

I suspect I'd probably think Winning was a lot nicer if the 'I'm gonna make it after all!' sentiment wasn't offet by the 'Hang on a minute, this guy jumped in front of a train three years ago!' realisation

― Ferg (Ferg), Tuesday, March 18, 2003 8:08 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and I totally agree. Knowing that Borland would commit suicide in the most horrific way turns the way I feel about this song completely on its head. On its surface, it's a song about getting on top of a battle with depression and bad circumstances, but after knowing that Adrian killed himself and HOW he killed himself, the song feels so much more desperate. Like he wants to be "winning", rather than he is "winning". The song doesn't console me and make me feel like I can overcome obstacles in life; on the contrary, it makes me feel incredibly sad. The guy who wanted to win, more than anything in the fucking universe, sadly didn't. It's upsetting.

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:14 (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's one perspective, agreed. And every April I shed a tear for the poor bastard whose music will live with me forever.

BUT... For a time, he WAS winning his personal battles, and in some places he was winning the hearts and minds of fans.

The fact that his end was so dark doesn't diminish the power of the song, and it still inspires me.

― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:30 (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Keep on thinking about "Winning" and "New Dark Age" right now. Want to believe in the first song more.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 November 2016 01:03 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh, it's a "New Dark Age" alright, and we'll "All Fall Down" and the "Heartland" will suffer during these "Iron Years". We'll see some "Brute Force" in the "Hothouse" while we're "Counting The Days". But there will be "Resistance" searching for that "Fatal Flaw" followed by "Dreams Then Plans". Once we find our "Sense Of Purpose", we'll reach out with the "Hand Of Love" and start "Winning".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 10 November 2016 14:24 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH97tb4-6Uw

Been thinking a lot about this version of 'Silent Air' since the news of Anthony Bourdain hit yesterday.

(V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Saturday, 9 June 2018 17:31 (five months ago) Permalink

wow that's an amazing song + performance!

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 9 June 2018 17:42 (five months ago) Permalink

Thanks for the revive - that 5CD set is so great.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 10 June 2018 00:06 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Finally getting around to the Outsiders with Cherry Red's predictably excellent CD reissue of Calling On Youth.

First impression, for one of the supposedly "important early independent punk" albums, it's not actually very punk, is it? I mean, the guitar playing is way too good to actually be punk, and side two of the album is just kind of slow and quiet for the most part. Adrian's obviously really young and overly ambitious here, but he's obviously pretty charismatic, even at this very early point. Overall though, pleasantly surprised.

(V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Sunday, 22 July 2018 05:06 (three months ago) Permalink

Taking in Close Up this evening and, I have to say, it's pretty much an all around improvement over Calling On Youth. Production, songs, technicality. . . just better on all fronts. Definitely segues nicely into the Propaganda era (which subsequently segues perfectly into Jeopardy).

(V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 03:57 (three months ago) Permalink


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