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albums, mainly, i am wondering about...

marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hmm? I'm Popol Vuhless

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've got all their albums but I will hold off making any recommendations till other people make theirs then I will violently disagree with them (cackle)

Dadaismus, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The soundtrack to Aquire the Wrath of God is pretty great...my favorite....I don't think you can violently disagree to it being MY favorite.

ddb, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Search = all, destroy = none. My favourites are "Tantric Songs" and "Das Hohelied Salomos", both of which take thee direct route to yr unconcious mind in my experience. The later albums aren't as good, anything featuring guido heironymous is generally less spritual than the earlier stuff, so I'd start w/the 2 mentioned above.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

can i find the albums around pretty easily, or will this be an ebay focused endeavor?

thanks for all your help.

marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If U R in the UK, you need to get in touch with "Ultima Thule" record shop in Leicester. Otherwise, any major rekkid shop should be able to locate all of the re-issues, stick w/"Spalax" and "Celestial Harmonies" labels - I have had Italian Popol Vuh reissues badly dubbed from vinyl in the past.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 18:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Guido Hieronymous is Florian Fricke's son I believe - I agree, he should have left his Dad to make the records in his own way instead of trying to tart them up and make them "Modern".

Dadaismus, Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have Affenstunde and I really like it.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 19:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

haven't heard any of the 'real' popul vuh albums that i've disliked, "in dem garten pharao" always stuck with me.

your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think Guido Hieronymous is FF's son (see the following interview):

http://www.eurock.com/features/florian.aspx

My favorites (of the ones I've heard so far) are Letzte Tage - Letzte Nachte and Einsjager und Siebenjager


Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ultima thule records:

http://www.ultimathulerecords.com/

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

awesome. i am in nyc and i just checked other music who seem to have a bunch of p.v.. i know where i am heading after work!

marcg (marcg), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 20:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Seek:

Popol Vuh (1972)
Quiche Maja (1973)
Stolen From Time (1975, credited to Popol Ace)

Destroy:

Anything by those German guys.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 21:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wha...? Surely they are amongst the more conventionally melodic of the Krautrock bands (assuming you didn't pick up Affenstunde or In Den Garten Pharoahs), nicht wahr?

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 02:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

there was a one sided bootleg live 7" that came out a few years ago that was jaw droppingly good. beyond that, search all - they're brilliant.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 05:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have very mixed feelings. In theory they should be good
but they always just go on too long without enough dynamics.
_Aguirre_ is still great, eerie background music.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 19 March 2003 07:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This guy Geir has GOT to be joking?!?

Dadaismus, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 18:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This band is so great...

The debut 'Affenstunde' is the one predominantly electronic one. The second one, 'In Den Garten Pharoahs', keeps it going but side two is improvised solo organ. All the Hertzog soundtracks are keepers, 'Aguirre', 'Heart of Glass', 'Nosferatu' (the soundtracks are compilations from their studio records, but they're the ones I throw in the player more often)

Avoid 'City Raga', their techno remix experiment. Also I'd say stick to the seventies before venturing into the eighties.

jl, Wednesday, 19 March 2003 20:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

OK OK, I admit I HAVEN’T got all the Popol Vuh albums. I don’t have some of the later ones which are either unrecognisable as Popol Vuh or consist of polite re-recordings of earlier pieces (which strikes me as fairly pointless). The other one I don’t have is “Yoga” which is apparently played entirely by Indian musicians, a concept that seems a bit too George Harrison-like to me (tho I expect I’ll buy it one day). Here are my opinions on the albums I have, for extra geekiness I’ve given them marks out of 10. For what it’s worth, I particularly recommend: Einsjäger und Siebenjäger; Letzte Tage, letzte Nächte; Herz aus Glas; Bruder des Schattens, Söhne des Lichts; Der Nacht der Seele; Sei still wisse ICH BIN. I’ve split this overview into several parts as there are too many albums to digest in one sitting.

A UNREASONABLY SUBJECTIVE GUIDE TO POPOL VUH (Part One)

Affenstunde (1970)
I'll be honest with you, I'm not especially interested in Florian Fricke as an electronic musician. This album is one to admire rather than play too often. Allegedly one of the first "rock" albums to be made entirely (almost) with the Moog of Dr. Robert's invention. Admirably, Fricke’s approach to the Moog seems to be that (like Sun Ra) he doesn't bother trying to get a tune out of it but concentrates instead on producing weird noises. However (like Sun Ra again), you wonder whether this is deliberate or because he CAN'T get a tune out of the damn thing! All in all, this album is quite different from other German "electronic" albums of the period in that genuinely IS electronic (for the most part) and, unlike Tangerine Dream and the "Berlin School", it doesn't just sound like the weird bits on a Pink Floyd record stuck together. 6/10

In den Gärten des Pharaos (1971)
Better than "Affenstunde". The title track has more of Fricke's wayward Moog noodling (Moogling anyone?) but with more (ahem) musical elements added. Finishes with a long section played on a Fender Rhodes that is actually quite jazzy (in an ECM sorta way). The other track, "Vuh", is the first evidence to date of Popol Vuh as THE ultimate Goth band - a looooooooooong drone piece on a mighty swelling church organ overlaid with cacophonous percussion and mewling moogs. Good stuff! 7/10

Hosianna Mantra (1972)
Woah, talk about a volte face! The Moog is consigned to a (very roomy) closet, rarely to appear on a Vuh record again and in its place we have Piano, Cembalo, Oboe, Electric Guitar. Very classically influenced and entirely devotional, Fricke's wonderful piano playing is well to the fore, unfortunately so is Conny Veit's echoplexed "early 70's" guitar, which over-eggs the pudding in places. Djong Yun adds vocals so wispy they barely exist. Somewhat meandering but I dare anyone to take actual OFFENCE at so diaphonous a creation! 7/10

Seligpreisung (1973)
An odd album in the oeuvre. This is like a more muscular version of "Hosianna" with similar "songs" which are (with the exception of the instrumental, "Tanz der Chassidim") made up of successive themes rather than having any kind of verse-chorus-middle eight structure (in fact this album probably has more different tunes than the entirety of all the albums that follow it!). The presence of Amon Düül II's erstwhile drummer Daniel Fichelscher edges some of the songs towards prog rock or even (heaven forfend!) jazz rock. Fricke handles the vocals himself in an unlovely but sincere voice which adds to the album’s singularity. 7/10

Einsjäger und Siebenjäger (1974)
The album that cements the partnership between the two core musicians of Popol Vuh - Florian Fricke and Daniel Fichelscher. Fichelscher's pounding, cymbal-heavy drums are all over this album but who would have thought a humble drummer (sorry any drummers out there!) would turn out to be such an astonishing guitarist? His acoustic playing (on his own "Morgengrüss") is beautiful enough but with his electric playing Fricke found the perfect vehicle for his compositions. Fichelscher's playing is not unlike Conny Veit but he has a warmer tone, a stronger melodic imagination and he's more of a virtuoso (the last the least important of the three). The title track is an amazing 19½ minute magnum opus which could conceivably pass for prog rock were it not so heartfelt and unpretentious, Djong Yun shows up to coo sweet somethings every so often. 8/10

Dadaismus, Thursday, 20 March 2003 13:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Moog is consigned to a (very roomy) closet, rarely to appear on a Vuh record again

Klaus Schultze's "Big Moog" is in fact this instrument, or part of it is, I think parts of it were stolen back in thee 1980's. Fricke siad that he got this female voice sound that he liked out of it, but didn'e care for it otherwise. IIRC he avoided electronic instrumentation thereafter 'till he got a Synclavier for "Cobra Verde"

Danny Fichelscher is an astonishing guitarist, it's true. At times I think there has never been anyone better, actually. I am amazed that he isn't better known.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dammit, einsjaeger und siebenjaeger is the one popul vuh album i don't have and can't find. and now i want to hear it.

your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 20 March 2003 20:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

waiting for dadaismus' part two with baited breath

I'd forgotten about 'Letzte Tage, letzte Nächte'

jl, Thursday, 20 March 2003 20:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Here 'tis...

A UNREASONABLY SUBJECTIVE GUIDE TO POPOL VUH (Part Two)

Aguirre (1975)
The first of Fricke’s confusing soundtrack albums from the films of Werner Herzog. I say confusing because the albums often bear little resemblance to what you hear in the film. The opening scenes of the film feature the once-heard-never-forgotten “Lacrimae di Rei”, which utilises the “choir organ”, a mellotron-like instrument also used to good effect by Amon Düül II. The only the other music which actually appears in the film is a brief field-recording of pan pipes. "Morgengrüss II" and “Agnus Dei” are both re-workings of tracks on “Einsjäger und Siebenjäger” and “Aguirre II” consists of the first part of “Lacrimae di Rei” (or “Aguirre I”) and a lush guitar piece from Daniel Fichelscher. Which leaves “Vergegenwaertigung” (snappy title huh?), a proto-ambient moog piece consisting of sundry whooshes and rumbles which appears to date from the early 70s. 7/10

Das Hohelied Salomos (1975)
Having made the useful discovery that Fichelscher could play the guitar a bit, it sounds on this album as if Fricke got a bit carried away and allowed Fichelscher to solo over every nook and cranny on every track - if you are not a fan of guitar solos, this is not the album for you! For the first time, Fricke is cutting songs down to their essentials, instead of using successive themes here he concentrates on one repeated theme or one piano sequence and builds pieces this way. Here, he also begins re-visiting and re-configuring themes from other albums ("Hosianna Mantra" in particular). All in all, this is a very "rock" album. 6/10

Letzte Tage, letzte Nächte (1976)
Even rockier than "Salomos" and considerably heavier. Wall-to-wall Fichelscher on this album with heavy drums and waves of guitar - some people have called this the beginning of Vuh's "raga rock" period but it’s really more rock than raga. Renate Knaup jumps ship from the fast-sinking Amon Düül II and sings “Dort ist Der Weg” and the title track, which are surprisingly straight folk-rock songs which even have English lyrics! Happily, it must be admitted that it still doesn’t really sound like anyone else. The highlight is probably the instrumental, “Oh wie nah ist der Weg hinab” which is used to memorable effect in the opening sequences of Werner Herzog’s “Heart of Glass”. 8/10

Herz aus Glas (1977)
Throughout this period in Popol Vuh's evolution, Florian Fricke's piano playing recedes further and further into the mix until, with this album, it disappears altogether! Although he's credited as playing piano on this album, I cannot make out a single note of piano - and as the album is all-instrumental this effectively makes this a Daniel Fichelscher solo album. The compositions are still recognisably Fricke's though (one Fichelscher piece aside), the soloing guitars of the last few albums are placed further back WITHIN each track, which makes this album considerable less easy to date precisely. Also worth noting that hardly any of the music on this album actually appears in the Herzog film it’s nominally the soundtrack to – in fact, most of the music on the film is from “Letzte Tage, letzte Nächte”. 9/10

Nosferatu (1978)
Another muddled soundtrack album from Herzog’s slightly redundant version of the F.W. Murnau’s silent classic. Once again, not all that much which is on this album is actually in the film and much of the music is from previous albums. A case in the point is 12 minutes or so of creepy electronic music included here, which, unless my ears very much deceive me and I don’t think they do, is merely the moog parts from “In den Gärten Pharaos”. Mind you, at least that music actually IS in the film (where it works very effectively), a lot here isn’t. 6/10

Bruder des Schattens, Söhne des Lichts (1978)
Having taken the guitar-army raga rock approach as far as he could, Fricke moved back towards more placid waters on this album: longer and more hypnotic songs with largely acoustic instrumentation and a more overt "Eastern" influence. The title track is the best of Popol Vuh’s long tracks – moving through a Gregorian chant like opening; a classically influenced section with glacially beautiful woodwind before the main body of the piece: a long long, hypnotic folk-influenced mantra. All in all, absolutely stunning. “Höre, der du Wagst” and “Das Schloss des Irrtums” if anything are even more repetitive and trance-like – a bit too much for some tastes I would expect. The closing, “Die Umkehr”, is a slightly doomy and foreboding folk-rocker which lies somewhere between early Steeleye Span and Eastern European folk music. 9/10

Dadasimus, Friday, 21 March 2003 11:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

A UNREASONABLY SUBJECTIVE GUIDE TO POPOL VUH (Part Three)

Der Nacht der Seele (1979)
Very similar in mood and sound to "Brüder" but with shorter, more concentrated tracks and more use of vocals. Some pieces, such as “Mit Händen, mit Füssen”, are as beautiful as anything in the Popol Vuh catalogue, others are more Gothic. Some quite odd percussion pieces too. Another good album and another short one too! 8/10

Sei still wisse ICH BIN (1981)
Probably the most idiosyncratic Popol Vuh album of them all and one of the best. Soundtrack to Fricke’s extremely odd “film” of the same name (sometimes also called “Sinai Desert”) The mantra-like chanting and extreme repetition that Fricke had been exploring in more and more detail finds its ultimate expression on this truly unique album. Using the choir of the Bavarian State Opera, Fricke builds dense and rather unsettling walls of vocals over thundering, thumping percussion and Fichelscher’s pleasingly primitive guitar or else strips the music right down to simple modal melodies. Pretty special. 9/10

Fitzcarraldo (1982)
Not an album I actually own, but given that all of the Popol Vuh music on it (there’s also some opera on here) is from previous albums, owning it would be somewhat redundant. One thing to note is that, once again, some of the music heard in the film isn’t on the soundtrack, specifically: a sequence which uses, “Singet, denn der Gesang vertreibt die Wölfe”, which is actually from “Herz aus Glas” (though not actually in the “Heart of Glass” film – told you it was confusing!)

Agape-Agape (1983)
OK, eclectic sort of album, which picks up on various threads from the previous four or five albums. Unfortunately, the re-recording of old pieces starts in earnest on this album and you wonder why they bothered following this course. The other problem I find with this album is simply that it isn’t as well produced as previous albums. But this has good things on it – the title track for instance while “Why Do I Still Sleep” is hypnotic to the max. Nice to see Conny Veit back after an absence of ten years! 7/10

Spirit of Peace (1985)
Just four tracks on this. The opening chant, “We Know About the Need” can be heard in a Werner Herzog documentary about Reinhold Messner. The title track is part two of a three part piano suite which is worth hearing in its entirety, if you can track it down – shows the hitherto unsuspected influence of Keith Jarrett IMO. “Song of Earth” is the old “Agnus Dei” tune (used previously in various PV albums) rearranged for choir and acoustic guitar – 8 whole minutes which is either extremely boring or extremely hypnotic or (more likely) somewhere between the two. The 17½ minute “Take the Tention High” (sic) seems to be striving for a similar feel to “Brüder des Schattens” but lacks dynamics and is simply TOO repetitive. 6/10

Cobra Verde (1987)
Extremely obscure but surprisingly good soundtrack (probably better than Herzog’s self-parodic film deserved) – the last good Popol Vuh album in fact. For the first time in fifteen years, Fricke makes extended use of electronics, namely the synclavier keyboard. This is used to create a series of ominous drone pieces and to provide a subtle orchestral-like backing to the utterly beautiful “Ha’mut, bis dass die Nacht mit Ruh’ und Stille kommt”. The title track is a reworking of “Mit Händen, mit Füssen” done in full Gregorian chant mode. Worth picking up if you can find it – though that is extremely unlikely! 7/10

For Me and You (1991)
This is the later Guido Hieronymous-guided Popol Vuh which means: some music which has nothing to do with Popol Vuh as we know and love them; some pointless re-workings of old material; some good stuff where Fricke and Fichelscher seem more involved. The stand out here is the four-part “Om Mani Padme Hum” which is built around Fricke’s piano and Renate Knaup’s voice, which can only be a good thing. Part 4 is especially exquisite. 5/10

City Raga (who cares?)
Played this once I think – didn’t hear enough of Popol Vuh on this to play it again. No rating therefore.

Dadaismus, Saturday, 22 March 2003 13:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Agape-Agape (1983)
But this has good things on it – the title track for instance

Definitely the title track is the standout on this one, for me--has a Native American feel. I am still trying to figure out if they are chanting the poem on the back of the CD, with the "gully gully ram sam" or whatever.

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 22 March 2003 14:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've got a huge tolerance for meandering moog in Fricke's hands, myself, but regardless this is the best album by album overview of this band I've read

jl, Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, thanks a lot Dadaismus. I've got the first five plus Sei still Wisse, but definitely intend to explore further.

BTW if anybody reading this owns Crispy Ambulance's Plateau Phase and the Nosferatu soundtrack, can you confirm that the CA track "Simon's Ghost" is a direct ripoff of the opening theme from Nosferatu? I don't have the soundtrack (and in fact don't know if this theme made it to the soundtrack as per Dadaismus' caveats) but saw the movie again recently, then shortly after that listened to the CA disc and noted the extreme similarity. on Plateau Phase the piece is credited to the group.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 23 March 2003 00:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The theme from "Nosferatu" is called "Hoere der du wagst" and is on "Bruder des Schattens..."

I'm not finished yet!

Last part…

ALSO OF NOTE
Gila – Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee (1973)
Gila was Conny Veit’s band before joining Popol Vuh, their first album (with a different line-up) is apparently quite psychedelic and spacey but this particular album is of special note because it’s basically Popol Vuh: but playing Conny Veit's songs as opposed to Florian Fricke's. Not surprisingly this sounds a bit like the Popol Vuh of this period (1973-75): melodic rock with folk and classical elements and with not enough progginess to render it unpalatable to the discerning listener - but not as GOOD as Popol Vuh of course! One of the problems is that it's some kind of concept album about the plight of the Native American - cue po-faced and awkward lyrics and vocals delivered with a Teutonic over-earnestness which spills over into (unintentional) comedy at times. Nice lush piano throughout from the late great Florian, Danny Fichelscher drums as athletically as ever, Conny plays nice guitar.

ADDITIONAL FILM WORK
As you may have noticed Florian Fricke’s music is often used in the films of Werner Herzog and it’s hard to imagine one without the other (just how many faux-naif mystics are there in Bavaria exactly?) As I confessed at the beginning of this marathon, I don’t have all Popol Vuh’s albums and I certainly haven’t seen all of Werner Herzog’s films so there may be some films which use Popol Vuh’s music which I’m unaware of.

Lebenszeichen (Signs of Life) (director: Werner Herzog, 1968)
I confess I haven’t seen this, Werner Herzog’s first feature film. I do know however that Florian Fricke appears in it as “a pianist”, some years before Popol Vuh too!

Auch Zwerge haben klein angefangen (Even Dwarfs Started Small) (director: Werner Herzog, 1970)
Truly one of the strangest films you’ll ever see. This is supposed to have some Florian Fricke music on the soundtrack, but I must admit not to noticing it.

Die Grosse Ekstase die Bildschnitzers Steiner (The Great Ecstasy of the Woodcarver Steiner) (director: Werner Herzog, 1973)
This is a typically idiosyncratic Herzog documentary on the Swiss show jumper, Walter Steiner. Features some lovely Popol Vuh music, music which I’ve yet to hear on any album – damn it!

Jeder für sich und Gott gegen alle (The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser) (director: Werner Herzog, 1974)
Florian Fricke has a brief but striking role in this wonderful Herzog film. He plays a blind pianist called Florian (what else!), who is first seen playing (and singing – sort of!) a version of “Agnus Dei” (see numerous Popol Vuh albums) for the foundling Kaspar Hauser and his guardian (and looking very Beethoven-like in the process). He pops up again at the end of the film, in Kaspar’s deathbed scene, where he stares rather disconcertingly into space while humming “Agnus Dei”!

Sei still wisse ICH BIN (director: Florian Fricke, 1981)
Not really a film (though shot on film) and not really a video (though resembling one in form). This is the visual accompaniment to the album of the same name (and vice versa). Shot entirely in the Sinai Desert, this largely consists of Herzog-like poetic landscapes, sometimes empty and sometimes peopled by mysterious figures in white robes: walking, standing on mountainsides or in large circles. The figures are following “The Prophet”, a Jesus-like figure who, bizarrely, is played by a woman with a false beard (60’s fashion model, Veruschka)! (Actually, now I come to think of it, it would have been even more bizarre if it had been a woman with a REAL beard). If you think Herzog’s films are slow and uneventful wait till you see THIS!

Dadaismus, Monday, 24 March 2003 14:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks for your kind comments regarding this silly venture - remember I did describe it as being "unreasonably subjective", which it is. I think everyone should make up their own minds on Popol Vuh but if you truly "get" them, they will probably become one of your favourite bands.

Thanks for the link to the Florian Fricke interview. I admit that Guido Hieronymous doesn’t appear to be Florian’s son – I’d always assumed that he’d allowed Mr. Hieronymous the latitude to ruin latter day Popol Vuh out of some kind of fatherly indulgence. Also fascinated to discover that Esther Ofarim was almost the vocalist on “Hosianna Mantra”, at about the same time that her husband was (mis)managing Can! It is stated that this is the first known interview in English with Florian Fricke – this isn’t true, I came across an interview with FF in a old copy of Sounds (UK music weekly – now defunct) which dated from 1978-79, the interview was with Sandy Robertson.

I would also recommend seeking out “Herzog on Herzog” (edited by Paul Cronin, published by Faber), a series of interviews with Werner Herzog which contains interesting info on Florian Fricke – including a practical joke played by him on the apparently notoriously gullible Herzog. Actually, I would recommend it in any case as an insight into Herzog who is a truly amazing man, even if he hasn’t made a decent feature film in years. Delighted to discover that Herzog, in the grand tradition of German intellectuals and film auteurs (see Fassbinder), was a more than useful footballer (that’s proper football not the musclebound rubbish which goes under that name in the USA).

Dadaismus, Monday, 24 March 2003 14:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ha, but what about that bit at thee end ov "In a Sacred Manner" from "Bury My Heart @ Wounded Knee"? This great long acoustick guitar piece, which suddenly kicks int this awesome prog/krautrock, then it fades out! Gah!! The lyrics are rubbish, tho'.

A friend who I haven't seen in years had this brit electronic 'zine from the early eighties, which contained a FF interview. t was wierd, in that the interviewer had obtained FF's phone no. from somewhere, & called him up on spec. Fricke's response was, like, I don't do interviews, and where did you get my number from anyway!!?? But, seeing as I'm here, i'll answer a couple of questions. I can't remember much except for the bit about him selling the big Moog to Klaus S, and FF being slightly disparaging abt KS' musick "nice music for supermarkets" is how I remember he put it. Great stuff Dadaismus, anyway.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I picked up the new SPV reissues of Aguirre and Einsjager today (for a reasonable $10 each at Newbury Comics); so, looks like I can ditch my Spalax copies.

Don't hear much difference in sound if they were remastered (doubt it), but the packaging at least is way superior to Spalax (plus, it's nice to have Digipaks rather than standard jewel case).
Can't wait for them to do Letzte Tage - Letzte Naechte and the others...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 19 June 2004 01:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Don't hear much difference in sound if they were remastered (doubt it)

Actually, listening to the title crack of Aguirre right now, and I can hear the vinyl clicks. Jees, and they licensed this from Fricke's family, too! Guess the original tapes are long gone...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 19 June 2004 02:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the bonus tracks on "einsjager" are pretty nice. personally, i hate digipaks but this was the one popul vuh release we didn't have.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 19 June 2004 05:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, listening to the title crack of Aguirre right now, and I can hear the vinyl clicks. Jees, and they licensed this from Fricke's family, too! Guess the original tapes are long gone...

I believe they are. Bounus tracks?!??!?

Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 19 June 2004 14:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'll have to listen more carefully at the bonus stuff, but I thought on an incidental listen (I wasn't paying full attention) that "Wo Bist Du?" on Einsjager is the same as the opening part of the mammoth-length track on Aguirre.

Disappointing if that is true, especially since as it is their albums are already pretty notorious for shuffling around (or re-recording) the same music on different albums.

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 19 June 2004 21:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

cool thread. due to lack of money, i've only managed to get "in the gardens of pharao/aguirre" cd on celestial harmonies. it's sort of a compilation i suppose, but everything on it is good and it seems like a good place for beginners since it's cheap. songs on it are: aguirre, in the gardens of pharao, vuh, and spirit of peace pts.1,2 and 3.

i've seen just about all of herzog's films at least once. 'signs of life' is really pretty good. i had no idea that florian was in 'kaspar hauser', and that he's in some of my favorite scenes in that film. the guy who plays kaspar hauser, bruno s., is also in another of herzog's called 'stroszek' which is pretty good too.

urker, Saturday, 19 June 2004 22:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Stroszek is fantastic. All hail the dancing chicken!

In Kaspar, Fricke looks uncannily Beethoven-like, as if he had stepped right out of the Romantic era...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Even more confusingly "Wo bist du" is the title of a track on "Der Nacht der Seele". But still no sign of the music for "The Great Ecstasy of the Woodcarver Steiner"? It must exist somewhere surely?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
I got some of these--at "my" Newburys--and they were $12! ARG!

John 2, Saturday, 17 July 2004 18:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
I picked up 5 of the new reissues last week:

Affenstunde
Agape/Agape
Einsjäger und Siebenjäger
Hosianna Mantra
Aguirre

They are very good, and I A/B-ed them with my Spalax issues, and the new ones sound a bit (though noticeably) better - more "open" sounding, perhaps. some of them are vinyl transfers by the sound of it. Pretty well done, though not as good as the transfer on High Tide's "Sea Shanties, for example. They all come in little gatefold cardboard sleeves w/a little booklet. It appears that there are only 2 booklets, going on the ones I have - one for the regular albums, one for the soundtracks. Some of the blurb in the booklets is OK, but it's a little unsatisfying in some way. There are some good pictures, including a few I hadn't seen before. the bonus tracks are generally good, though the one on "agiurre" sounds suspiciously like one of the regular album tracks with a sampled ethnicky percussion loop overlayed, which sucks. The extras on "Einsjaeger..." are the best, 2 little pieces in the Hoheleid Salomos/Letze Tage..." style, IE more of the same, but bore of this same = more of what I want. I am REALLY looking forward to picking up "Das Hoheleid Salomos", "Letzte Tage Letzte Nacht" and "Der Nacht der Seele", because they are my favourites. I'm also interested to hear what's on "Cobra Verde" because I remember there being tow different versions of this when it came out.

I found myself getting faintly annoyed at how little Danny Fischelsher got mentioned in the blurb. That seems unfair somehow.

It would be good if they also issued "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee"

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Gawd, I wish I could type better.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I was wondering if the bonus tracks were any good or not. There's a whole album of Popol Vuh vocal music that was released privately in the mid-to-late 70s (can't remember the title) - where has that disappeared to I wonder? Plus there's film music that's never been released.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:04 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Pick up the "Einsjaeger..." reissue if you see it and see what you think.

I should also point out that all the reissues I bought have the proper dynamics, IE they haven't been loudness-maximised. Honestly, I was so relieved about this that I had a lump in my throat! (true!)

A little while ago, I also picked up the reissue of "shepherd's Symphony" (or whatever it's called) from the same series. It's really bad.

Also Also Also!!! ! I tried to play my CD of "For You and Me" the other night, and it had self-destructed!! All the metal foil had come away from the plastic disc!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Agape-Agape" and "Spirit of Peace" both sound really crap, I hope they re-master those albums

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The "Agape-Agape" reissue sounded pretty good to me, though I didn't have that one on Spalax anyway, just my old vinyl copy. My CD of "Letzte Tage..." sounds pretty horrible to me, great though I think the music is.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The production on "Letzte Tage" is very odd, incredibly dense, I think that's deliberate, 10,000 guitars on every track

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 6 January 2005 13:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
WTF was I thinking? I listened to "Agape Agape" on headphones last night, and it sounds like shit!! It sounds like they did a vinyl transfer, and there was a big knot of fluff on the needle! Man... I guess I must have listened to it quietly when I first got it. It's such a good album as well...

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 February 2005 13:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the original spalax CD sounds like that too... hope it's not on the master, though it probably is, "Why Do I Still Sleep" sounds like a very personal recording of a solo that just had the mood, so got included...

been listening to Nosferatu a lot recently. I would rate that one much higher than dadaismus does, but I rate the spare minimal electronics much higher, and think they balance out the other lovely band parts... actually I'd even say it's a good place to start for the atmospheric side of the band. With Letzte Tage, letzte Nächte being a good place to start for the transcendental heavy rock side.

(Jon L), Monday, 7 February 2005 20:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Listening to Hosianna Mantra now, want to check out Letzte Tage.

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 25 March 2005 21:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ooh great news

sleeve, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 22:39 (two years ago) Permalink

haha that's what i thought
cmon people

Florianne Fracke (La Lechera), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 22:39 (two years ago) Permalink

some light in the attic intern is getting his ass handed to him right now!!!
but seriously it is good news - if they're distro-ing, the vuh reissues might be easier to find.

tylerw, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 22:41 (two years ago) Permalink

looks like they brought a beehive to the practice space

clouds, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 22:41 (two years ago) Permalink

Crazy German longhairs all look the same, amirite?

Willibald Pirckheimers Briefwechsel (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 22:42 (two years ago) Permalink

Contact mic on an apiary, that's an old stockhausen trick cmon guys. Zzzzzzzzzzz

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 22:46 (two years ago) Permalink

Foreground: a shirtless, ripped Djong Yun

Jim Gillette's unused octave (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 23:17 (two years ago) Permalink

to be fair, that pic does come up if you GIS Popol Vuh Band, and it is misattributed in the link as being Can

sleeve, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 23:33 (two years ago) Permalink

https://mousique.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/de-krautrock-archieven/

sleeve, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 23:33 (two years ago) Permalink

heh heh, it's a picture of Can

― tylerw, Wednesday, June 10, 2015 5:37 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i THOUGHT that was damo, but it's kind of small on my monitor

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 23:35 (two years ago) Permalink

i saw that popul vuh werner herzog soundtracks box set for cheap a few years ago and i really regret not snapping it up

shit makes me feel immortal

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 23:36 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

i was just googling around to see when/if that big batch of reissues was released yet and i found this, which sounds almost exactly like "in deine hande" from LT-LN
what other greek music sounds like this??!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSXxrLcSV4

(for comparison)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko-sShP-TA4

La Lechera, Monday, 7 September 2015 13:57 (one year ago) Permalink

Thank you for Nikos Xylouris! Listening to Youtubes now.

Also: "Psaronikos is a nickname as it is customary for people in Anogeia to have. His grandfather was Psarantonis. His grandfather kept company with a group of five or six men who stole from the Turks. As he was the fastest runner in the group, when they met with Turks he was running very fast and he could catch all of them as if they were fish. So, first he was given the name Fishturk (Greek: 'Ψαρότουρκος') and then the nickname Psarantonis. That is how all family male members after him were nicknamed Psaronikos, Psarogiorgis, Psarantonis etc."

List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Monday, 7 September 2015 21:50 (one year ago) Permalink

(xp) I see what you mean!

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 7 September 2015 22:29 (one year ago) Permalink

ok two things:

1) the video interview with d fichelscher has been removed from youtube afaict; that was the closest i had gotten to knowing that he was still alive and well. my google alerts for him haven't produced much beyond news of upcoming reissues. does anyone know how to confirm that he is alive and well? i feel like this thread is more of a global hub of PV fans than i'm likely to find elsewhere, so why not ask.

2) what's up with those reissues anyway? waxworks was all excited about them, but i haven't seen anything since. i checked last week and just that instagram post came up. am i missing something? LT-LN is about to turn 40 next year :)

La Lechera, Saturday, 19 September 2015 18:53 (one year ago) Permalink

Hasn't he been playing with Amon Duul II recently?
He's mentioned here anyway : http://www.amonduul.de/main.html
WARNING website is Flash hell that will start playing music when it loads

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Saturday, 19 September 2015 20:06 (one year ago) Permalink

ok well that's good news
i guess they only play european festivals?
also that is truly a hellish website

La Lechera, Saturday, 19 September 2015 20:45 (one year ago) Permalink

Yes, panic over, he seems to be playing with the current line-up...

https://gerhardemmerkunst.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/amon-dc3bcc3bcl-ii-milla-mc3bcnchen-2015-06-10-15.jpg

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 September 2015 22:21 (one year ago) Permalink

months ago i preordered the wah wah reissue of nosferatu because 1) i couldn't resist and 2) there is bonus material that i don't have
and it arrived today!! i am not into packaging but since i paid a zillion dollars for this, i'm glad that the posters (there are 2) are pretty cool (not just pics of the band, esp the ones i've seen a zillion times) and the LPs themselves are red

so excited!! no more weekly emails from phil at norman records about my order. i'll probably not miss deleting those too much but they continued to give me hope that the day would arrive when i could finally cradle my wampyr record
today!

La Lechera, Monday, 28 September 2015 23:05 (one year ago) Permalink

looks like light in the attic is distro-ing the wah wah reissues, so they should be easier to get now?
http://lightintheattic.net/releases?all_labels=false&label_list%5B%5D=176
still pricey, but...

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:37 (one year ago) Permalink

thanks for the heads up!

sleeve, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:56 (one year ago) Permalink

New reissues are all in at Fusetron, in case anybody was wondering. $31/32 for everything but the Nosferatu double, which is $45.

winnebago taco, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 03:09 (one year ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

i still wonder what daniel f is doing right now, like at various points in the day.

this was posted on fb today -- is it same as the bootleg that was posted here a while ago? I am not on the same computer and don't remember what was on the other one. anyway, a good day is one that has a popol vuh surprise in it

i think it sounds like the same recording though fwiw

https://youtu.be/Kyi2KHZKYIQ

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:39 (eleven months ago) Permalink

FYI

This is a soundboard recording of a live performance in 1973, probably late summer or early fall, in the church in Baumberg in Germany (which accounts for the beautiful natural reverb).
My guess is that this is just Daniel Fichelscher on guitar and Florian Fricke on keyboards and vocal (and may be the first recording of Fichelscher as a member of Popol Vuh - he would become co-partner with Fricke for all subsequent Popol Vuh albums. Vocalist Djong Yun did not sing here, because she was away in America at the time. Fricke's dissatisfaction with his vocals - heard here and on the studio album from 1973, "Seligpreisung" - would prompt him to later add another vocalist, Renate Knaup, whom he met through Fichelscher (both Fichelscher and Knaup had been members of Amon Duul II).

Tracklist: (all are extended versions of the following pieces from their 1973 album "Seligpreisung"):
00:00 Weinen und Lachen
04:55 Hungern und Dursten
11:59 Hungern und Dursten (2nd take)
17:48 Willig Arm
20:47 Leid Klagen

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

yeah think that's the same thing (minus the interview that was on the mp3 download)...

tylerw, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:48 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I wonder where this person got their Fichelscher info or if it's pure speculation

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:17 (eleven months ago) Permalink

aw, I love the vocals on Seligpreisung!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:05 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I feel like that album could be dubbed onto a Peanuts TV special and work really well.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:08 (eleven months ago) Permalink

btw yes that is the same bootleg referenced earlier in the thread

sleeve, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:09 (eleven months ago) Permalink

as noted by JoeStork on another thread, there's a lot more Popol Vuh on Spotify now

Brad C., Friday, 22 July 2016 19:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

five months pass...
four months pass...

2 new reissues today! Agape-Agape (one of my favorites) and Spirit of Peace iirc (which I don't remember)
I guess Light in the Attic is handling US distribution -- is there any reason I should not give them a small portion of money in exchange for this fine recording?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:33 (one month ago) Permalink

I got the (green!) Cobra Verde soundtrack. It's nice but I'm not sure I need another version of Agnus Dei (j/k, i do)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Always thought "Agape-Agape" suffered from lacklustre production, maybe this reissue will spruce it up a bit. "Spirit of Peace" is the last good one... no, hold on, "Cobra Verde" is after that and is good too.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:45 (one month ago) Permalink

xps I have heard some second hand griping about LITA not paying people, but that wouldn't stop me from buying something on the label (at least not yet).

HONOR THE FYRE (sleeve), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink

every reissue makes me hope that maybe this will bring Daniel Fichelscher out of the shadows. he's only 64?!?!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 18:08 (one month ago) Permalink

and Djong Yun too for that matter
is she still in North Korea?!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 18:09 (one month ago) Permalink

She's in North Korea? Why?

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 18:15 (one month ago) Permalink

I think she was taking care of family or something? I read she was in Pyongyang :(

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 18:59 (one month ago) Permalink

Insane details of Djong Yun's father's life here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isang_Yun

Daniel Fichelscher's been playing with Amon Duul II again recently, no?

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Thursday, 18 May 2017 12:48 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

somehow really getting into this band after many years. and THANK YOU Dadaismus for the reviews upthread. I wish ILM was still like that

Dominique, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Having gone no further than their first three albums, "Vuh" from In den Gärten Pharaos is the only track that truly awed me. Is any of their subsequent work similar to it?

pomenitul, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

just about everything past In den Gärten Pharaos sounds nothing like it.

new noise, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp
nothing like it really -- they didn't find the sound they're known for until after that record. Blissful, psychedelic new age folk music? try the title track of Brüder Des Schattens for a good idea of their thing

Dominique, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Hosianna Mantra didn't do it for me, but given my love of 1970's ECM I should probably keep going. As a side note, Florian Fricke was briefly part of the same jazz trio as then-double-bassist Manfred Eicher.

pomenitul, Thursday, 1 June 2017 23:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Now that is an interesting fact!

or at night (Jon not Jon), Friday, 2 June 2017 00:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

http://i.imgur.com/Nr9ZCm8.png

Perhaps more suited to a Roy Montgomery thread, but here's a photo from atop Temple IV in Guatemala, where I listened to bits of Seligspreisung last week. Some Popul Vuh seemed appropriate since I was in the heart of Maya territory. Luckily it got cloudy and rainy while I was up there, because otherwise the punishing sun and heat do not make for an atmosphere conducive to listening to extended jams. Although the place itself is pretty overwhelming even without a soundtrack.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:38 (two days ago) Permalink

You'd think I'd spell the band name right by now... Popol Vuh that is.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:40 (two days ago) Permalink

how to live!!
so
beautiful

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 26 June 2017 21:50 (two days ago) Permalink

that sounds amazing

sleeve, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 02:05 (yesterday) Permalink


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