the cover to empire burlesque is classic, and dark eyes is also classic. empire burlesque is classic. i think the chintzy 80s production of bob dylan songs is kind of surreal in a good way, even if it mars the songs at times. i think the album we should really be talking about is "at budokan"... "blasphemous" lounge versions of all his greatest hits, it's so great.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
i think if he released tastefully produced, consistent albums throughout his career his catalog would be way less interesting.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
love toom but 'cold irons bound' and 'standing in the doorway' are the only tracks i think have a shot at my ballot (and i'm assuming that ballot's gonna have like a hundred slots). 'red river shore' could conceivably as well but it didn't even make the album (same w/ 'mississippi'). i think i'm at the point where i'll finally admit love and theft is a better album but it will never mean as much to me as toom.
― balls, Monday, 6 May 2013 01:30 (eleven years ago) link
love and theft is a less personal-sounding album in general, i think. i like it but i also prefer time out of mind.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks to this topic, I sought out Oh Mercy over the weekend and I really like it!
I always thought 'Series of Dreams' was the lone standout on the latter half of disc three of the original Bootleg Series set, but I can see why it was left off the proper album. Really like the sparse, airy sound Lanois gives the album. Suits Bob well at that point. Makes him sound like a desert wanderer or something. Too early at this point to really process, but I'll just say that I didn't expect to like it as much I do.
Also picked up the Dylan album, more for completeness sake than anything, but I've been playing Oh Mercy so much that I haven't even taken it out of its jacket yet.
― Austin, Monday, 6 May 2013 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
Oh Mercy is good. I bout a cheap copy in high school and fell in love with it before I was really interested in where it fit in in the canon. "Most of the Time" is as devastating as anything on Blood on the Tracks
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 01:45 (eleven years ago) link
Track down a copy of the Oh Mercy demos bootleg if you get a chance. It made me like the album even more.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 6 May 2013 01:46 (eleven years ago) link
The first Dylan I bought with my own money, Oh Mercy has sentimental value for me despite my wrinkling my nose at "Disease of Conceit" and "Ring Them Bells" when I was fifteen. If TOOM is the nadir of Lanois-Dylan, then "Man in the Long Black Coat" and "What Was It You Wanted" are the peaks imo.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2013 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
xpost i'll try to do that. have a bootleg mp3 of an alternate take of "most of the time" and it's good stuff. i think dylan writes about the recording sessions of that album in chronicles, and i forget what he says but i remember thinking it was a good section.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
I can sort of see what you're saying here, because as much I love Bob, I've never really connected with any of the later "big three" albums (Time Out of Mind, Love and Theft and Modern Times), even though I know that, objectively, they're darn good albums. Just don't really merit repeat listens, because they sound so normal.
x-post: Yes, I was immediately very interested in checking out that Bootleg Series #8 (this guy) for anything associated with Oh Mercy. What d'ya know about that stuff?
― Austin, Monday, 6 May 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
LOVE tell-tale signs
― balls, Monday, 6 May 2013 01:59 (eleven years ago) link
even blonde on blonde has a bunch of filler.
a lot of filler, really?
… i don't like "rainy day women" but it's not "filler," it's clearly a statement (musical as well as social) of some kind
the only things i might characterize as "filler" is "temporary like achilles" (one of the many blues-based songs on the LP, but probably the least of them), "leopard-skin pill-box hat" (which has some great lines), and "obviously five believers" (which is probably the worst song on the record). and none of these songs are half as bad as the worst stuff dylan did in the mid-1980s.
challops, i say.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:02 (eleven years ago) link
"five believers" is kind of a "she's about a mover" rip-off which makes me like it just a bit more
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
sorta mystifies me that in the off years when there's no new dylan that we don't get a new bootleg series, xian period is at the top of my personal wishlist but from a pure business standpoint can't figure out how the dylan/cash sessions haven't come out, that was a big seller when i worked in a record store.
― balls, Monday, 6 May 2013 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
the Live 1966 version of "Leopard-Skin Pillbox Hat" is all I need.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:05 (eleven years ago) link
I love "Series of Dreams," notably when those synths crash against that line about the umbrella.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
xpost "leopard skin pillbox hat" is dreadful; "rainy day woman" unlistenable. i don't like "just like a woman" but that is just me, i realize. idk. five believers is a whatever song to me as well. but the album reaches insane summits as well and contains two of my top twenty all time favorite songs
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
This is the Oh Mercy boot I love to pieces:
http://www.bobsboots.com/CDs/cd-d13.html
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 6 May 2013 02:09 (eleven years ago) link
pretty sure that every dylan thread now has alfred's elaborate empire burlesque defense. from a pure business standpoint can't figure out how the dylan/cash sessions haven't come outtbh about 85% of this session is garbage -- it's charming to hear them stumble over every tune they try, but it's not like it's some sort of awesome piece of music.
― tylerw, Monday, 6 May 2013 02:12 (eleven years ago) link
somebody tempts me!
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:14 (eleven years ago) link
ASK ME WHAT I THINK ABOUT EMPIRE BURLESQUE (t-shirt)
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
I was blaring "Rainy Day Woman" driving down the Lakeshore today. There's no Dylan song I'd rather sing along to, no song where I'd rather imitate him. Brilliant.
― clemenza, Monday, 6 May 2013 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
ASK ME WHAT I THINK ABOUT EMPIRE BURLESQUE (t-shirt)lol that would be a good t shirt
― tylerw, Monday, 6 May 2013 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
hm... yeah i just hate rainy day woman. different strokes. but i would wear that empire burlesque t shirt.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
no EB t-shirts available!
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
i think i went through a phrase where i wanted to skip rainy day woman but now i'm back to loving it. i'll go on record saying that blonde on blonde is filler-less.
― tylerw, Monday, 6 May 2013 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/cb139b0ffd34be393d6b8d54a9577969/tumblr_mmcup1KDEG1qzy30io1_500.png
― tylerw, Monday, 6 May 2013 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
Sold. I'll give you $1.50 -- the price of a used copy of EB on Amazon.
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
i think my favorite thing about empire burlesque is that photo
― tylerw, Monday, 6 May 2013 02:28 (eleven years ago) link
i never seek it out but i always have time for 'rainy day women' (i am a little horrified that that's what ties 'like a rolling stone' for highest charting dylan single). at this point i think i may have more time for 'she's always a woman' than 'just like a woman'.
― balls, Monday, 6 May 2013 02:31 (eleven years ago) link
"just like a woman" is kind of really gross.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
i wish it didn't share an album with "visions of johanna", the greatest song of the 60s.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
fave on that lp is stuck inside of memphis...close 2nd i want you
btw y'all know that next bootleg series will cover self-p/new morning sessions right? or have we covered this already?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 6 May 2013 05:07 (eleven years ago) link
er stuck inside of MOBILE
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 6 May 2013 05:08 (eleven years ago) link
just like a woman is heavy dumb. leopard-skin pill-box hat is GREAT, the part where the doctor steals his girl is better than when it happens to leonard cohen.
tell tale signs has all kinds of good stuff on it including the definitive version of "someday baby" from modern times.
i like "something's burning baby" too but it's definitely on the hokier end of the dylan apocalypse spectrum. (my favorite pious dylan dystopia is "foot of pride". they take all this money from sin. build BIIIIIIIIIIG universities to study in. sing amazing grace ALL the way to the swiss banks.)
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 6 May 2013 05:15 (eleven years ago) link
he's singing about hisself from 5 years earlier maybe
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 6 May 2013 05:21 (eleven years ago) link
I like to think that Bob is referring the Monty Python foot in "Foot of Pride".
― Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 6 May 2013 05:31 (eleven years ago) link
what makes SBB hokey is the synth horn
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2013 11:03 (eleven years ago) link
SOMETHING'S THE MATTER BABY THERE'S SMOKE IN YOUR HAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR.
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 6 May 2013 13:26 (eleven years ago) link
do u think it's about America
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 6 May 2013 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
ignore that question
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 6 May 2013 13:34 (eleven years ago) link
sure – if you're Bono
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2013 13:35 (eleven years ago) link
ONE HUNDRED
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 6 May 2013 13:37 (eleven years ago) link
dylan albums without filler: highway 61, john wesley harding, uhhh live '66.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 May 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Nashville Skylines pretty solid.
― i have opinions about empire burlesque (Treeship), Monday, 6 May 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
nashville skyline is kind of all filler. in a good way.
― tylerw, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
incidentally I just googled "who is the girl on the back of empire burlesque" and found this thread:http://www.expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=68556
so many completely ridiculous guesses! A lot of people are near blind, apparently.
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
lol at that being emmylou harris!
― tylerw, Monday, 6 May 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
that's not even the worst guess!
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
― tylerw, Monday, May 6, 2013 2:38 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i see what you're getting at but no. "i threw it all away" is nobody's idea of filler. it's one of his very best songs IMO.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 6 May 2013 23:28 (eleven years ago) link