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Cant get this computer at work to search the threads so sorry if the the thread is redundant. But did anyone ever see them? They had such a unique guitar sound. I cant think of anyone else who sounds like that.

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 17 March 2003 07:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, do you have any of the original records?

Like Hard Attack and Crowd Control and shit? Totally classic. Bruce Anderson's guitar playing is very original and rewarding of repeated listens.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 17 March 2003 08:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Have both But never saw em live in ny so cant envision the playing style on say "someday you'll be king" is just palming/muting and sliding up the neck or are those one string guitar solos and cheap peavy amps its such a great fixin to explode sound

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 17 March 2003 08:36 (sixteen years ago) link

They were great way back then, not so great now, or maybe it's me who's changed. Their last couple just didn't do it for me.

matt riedl (veal), Monday, 17 March 2003 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Fucking classic. Esp. the first three albums.

hstencil, Monday, 17 March 2003 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Heh, in the UK there is also a v. right-wing political pundit called Bruce Anderson!

I like the dbl live Henry Kaiser alb that Anderson plays on ('Heart's Desire'?)

Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 17 March 2003 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Well, since another thread was started, time to revive this a bit. Any other fans around? I don't listen to them often but I do love them whenever I give them an ear, as you can see here, here and here. And they helped get me familiar with the Gulcher Records bunch.

Anyway, Chuck Eddy to thread (first heard about 'em through Stairway to Hell, I think...or was it Trouser Press?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Of the older stuff, I've only heard the two Ralph albums. I SUSPECT that the earlier records are even better. True?

Tim Ellison, Friday, 7 May 2004 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link

was gonna post this on the other thread.

Thomas, you can get essentially everything you need on two CDs. The Big Hits/Hard Attack CD and the Out of Control CD on Atavistic. The former is their first EP and LP, and the latter is their 2nd and 3rd lps (originally recorded for Ralph) on 1 CD.

Personally, I'd go with Out of Control first. I like the songs slightly better on those later records. But the group interplay and Bruce Anderson's skin-flaying guitar is gloriously present across all their recorded work. But yeah, buy those two CDs - which can usually be found fairly cheaply anyway - and you've pretty much got it covered.

I don't care so much for the 90s era stuff, but god bless 'em for keepin' on keepin' on. I saw 'em play live in my old college radio station's record library and they were a lot of fun. Really cool guys.

I can't tell if I was trying to be funny or not with my original comment up there.

Also, Myonga Von Bontee to thread.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link

1. Out of the Tunnel
2. Hard Attack/Big Hits
3. Crowd Control
4. Any Half-Life or Bruce Anderson solo stuff you can track down.

chuck, Friday, 7 May 2004 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link

I really really should check them out more throroughly

Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Out of the Tunnel: Bought it on a rave review in Creem magazine. Introduced at a Friday night drinking party where it proved a mighty bummer to most in attendance. Frankly, though, the concept of MX-80 Sound on this record was a lot better than the execution; it was a bit disappointing and didn't hold up for me under repeated listens. But it remains tuneless loud guitar noise unlike anything else at the time.

Crowd Control: Initially, I liked it more because it sounded like MX-80 were becoming a more conventional hard rock band. Then I realized I liked them noiser, more tuneless and louder best.

George Smith, Friday, 7 May 2004 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

You should investigate this related subject, too, while you're at it:

What is John (Cougar) Mellancamp's best song?

xpost

chuck, Friday, 7 May 2004 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

I dig O-Type, but am prepared to be the only guy who does

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link

CLASSIC: Big Hits, Hard Attack, Out of the Tunnel, Crowd Control, and the "Have Another Drink" 7".

HALF UNDERWATER: Das Love Boot (although it sounds good at the moment under a live stream of Donald Rumsfeld's inventive denials)

Simultaneously one of the best art rock and hard rock bands to come from Midwest. They're one of prime Sonic Youth's finest influences.

Also check out Bloomington's neurotic Dancing Cigarettes if MX-80's just too macho for your pouch. I even liked some songs on an MX-related Angel Corpus Christi CD that came from Geffen about ten years ago.

You really should check them out more thoroughly.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I couldn't get with the one O-Type CD I had. Believe me, I wanted to, but I thought it was a pretty tough slog. I'd kind of like to hear it again, actually, as this was a few years ago and I sold it.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link

There were from Bloomington, Indiana? Heh heh, maybe there's something in the water about discordant rock bands there. One of my current fave rock band is Racebannon from the same town.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link

there is indeed something in the water!!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 8 May 2004 05:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Did the tracks from the "Subterranean Modern" Ralph Records compilation turn up anywhere later, on CD?
"Lady in Pain" and "Possessed" are amazing... (And then there's the incredible Chrome tracks on that comp as well.)

jwd, Saturday, 8 May 2004 07:10 (fifteen years ago) link

there is indeed something in the water!!

Yeah, enough leftover PCB-sludge from the Westinghouse Corp to warrant eight separate federal Superfund clean-up sites, thus inspiring the MX80 song "Tidal Wave."

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 8 May 2004 08:36 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.mx-80.com/images/Hifi1.jpg

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 8 May 2004 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link

I first heard about 'em in the SPIN Alternative Guide, then Stairway To Hell. I enjoy them in small doses, which is ironic since I've got the Big Hits/Hard Attack cd and the Crowd Control one. Entertaining but not crucial.

I think Bloomington pride is why I'm keeping these albums around.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 May 2004 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link

plus I got them on the serious cheap tip at Ameoba records in berkeley.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 May 2004 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Hey, that's *Edge of the World* by the Mekons next to *Hard Attack* in that *Hi Fidelty* photo, I think. (One of my favorite descriptions in Stairway to Hell, by the way, is how I say Vertical Slit sounded like a cross between *Hard Attack* by MX-80 and *Hard Attack* by Dust, though I assume almost nobody knew what I was talking about!)

chuck, Saturday, 8 May 2004 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Firing up the burner right now "Big/Hits Heart Attack" then "Out Of Control". How's the live one "Always Leave'em Wanting Less and "I've Seen Enough"?

brg30 (brg30), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

plus I got them on the serious cheap tip at Ameoba records in berkeley

...one of the owners/founders of which store was the drummer for said band in their late-80s incarnation.

kdjeifw@ijfd, Sunday, 9 May 2004 07:10 (fifteen years ago) link

What's the word on the 1987 "Existential Lover" cassette? Trouser Press says "simmers constantly with psychotic abandon...a real edge-of-your-seat listen." Wow.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Man, is there really any need for me to weigh in with my opinion? As Alex has his Killing Joke and Ned has his MBV, I have MX-80! (Even as I regretfully admit that their post-vinyl output has been relatively undistinguished.) It's truly tiresome, the number of times I've referred to Hard Attack as my alltime favourite LP. And adding the debut "Big Hits" 7" to the CD reissue could only make it better. (Can't imagine how foreign the midwestern USA must've seemed to outsiders, with Pere Ubu and Debris, in addition to MX-80, all making their vinyl debuts in that bicentennial first-year-of-punk. Neither New York nor London produced anything so peculiar at the time.) Out Of The Tunnel and Crowd Control were less chaotic (down one drummer, from two) but even
louder and harder. Those two are compiled on the cleverly-titled Out Of Control.
Anyway, I could bore you all even more with thousands of words of praise, but I'd probably get fired. So let me just second what my man Broheems has to say: Big Hits/Hard Attack and Out Of Control compile the three LPs and EP and are essential. Not far behind (in my opinion) is the all-instrumental Das Love Boot compilation. (One of the few compilations I've heard that advance BACKWARD in time, ie. oldest stuff last.) There's a bit of overlap, but it's worth hearing especially for the raging early live-in-Bloomington tracks. (Lotsa trademark phasers-on-stun guitar from the incomparable Bruce Anderson here.) After those, you're on your own: Just because I'll buy ANYTHING with MX-80's trademark radar-scope logo (and most anything with a past or present bandmember) is no reason you should do the same! But the endless parade of side-projects (Half-Life, O-Type, Gizzards, more) all contain moments of hair-raising brilliance.

Chuck: I was the proud owner of both "Hard Attacks" a year before "Stairway To Hell" was published! But (along with Richard Riegel) you get full credit for hipping me to the band in the first place.

Ian: "Existential Lover" is good-but-not-great. Good songs sabotaged by the lack of a human drummer and some listless Rich Stim vocals. No doubt law school was consuming the bulk of his energy.

brg30: I think "Always Leave 'em...", like most live MX-80, suffers from Stim's inability to effectively sing & play at the same time. The great live stuff from the all-instrumental "Das Love Boat" is the exception that kinda proves the rule.

jwd: Of the "Subterranean Modern" tracks, only "I Left My Heart In San Francisco" has made it to CD, on "Das Love Boat." Minor trivia note: "San Francisco" is the only MX-80 cover of an actual song that's NOT a TV/movie theme! (At least, until "We're An American Band" is released.)

Finally, Hard Attack and Das Love Boat may be deleted, so I'll gladly burn copies for anyone curious enough to pay for postage. This band, and its impenetrable roadblock-of-sound demands to be heard!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 10 May 2004 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
bump for owen

jimmy glass (electricsound), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I lived in Bloomington in the 80's but never got to see them. Big Hits is my favorite.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 04:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, they'd abandoned Bloomingdale for Frisco and the welcoming arms of Ralph (Records) by '78 anyways.

And in case I haven't gotten my tiresome message through:

http://www.mx-80.com/images/discography/HardAttack.jpg
...greatest album evah!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:31 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...
great band, but the cover arts of their record is the worst ever.
MoB+Destroy all monsters+Flipper (singing style)+Stooges of course.

reviving, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link

now that i cant stop listening to flipper, imna take another swing at out of the tunnel, which has previously never quite clicked.

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Myonga, can you comment on the "different mix Dutch version" of Hard Attack? Do you have that?

Also not mentioned on this thread is a great live album "1977 Live At The Library 1978" that was recorded when they were still in B-ton. The newly reconstituted Gulcher label put it out a few years back.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I don't know whether everyone is picking up on this news so I'll xpost:

Dave Mahoney RIP

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Myonga, can you comment on the "different mix Dutch version" of Hard Attack? Do you have that?


-- sleeve

I wish I had that! One showed up on ebay and I kicked myself for seeing it too late.

From the band's Forced Exposure interview:

FE: Is it true that the Dutch pressing has a different mix? Does that really exist?

Dale: Yeah. It's the original mix in fact.

Bruce: Basically, what happened is that the A&R person who signed us up, Howard Thompson, decided there wasn't enough compression on it. So he compressed it and gave it a "vocal" mix.

I read somewhere that the CD reissue reverted to the original mix. But I've played both the LP and CD over 1000 times and can't tell the difference, so either that source was misinformed or my ears just aren't that great. (On the other hand, I haven't played the vinyl since the CD was released 11 years ago, so maybe it's my memory that's at fault. Who knows?)

(Oh, and thanks for posting that link, Ned.)

Scott Bloomfield (the former MVB) (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 4 May 2006 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Did people pick up the Chinaboise release on Gulcher (sometime in the last year/two)? Great proto-MX-80 Sound, like 'MX-80 'Round the Campfire, with Girls and Acoustic Guitars'. Very fun, a little Modern Loversish.

As for MX-80 Sound, I prefer the two-drum attack sound, but still love the early 80s releases.


Any fans of Debris? I can't ever quite get into them as much, but they definitely share some qualities with MX-80 Sound.

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...
one year passes...

But life couldn't be lusher
Now that I've got an ice crusher

CRUSHED! ICE!
CRUSHED! ICE!

Big Drug Dan (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 25 February 2012 07:03 (seven years ago) link

Yeah good band. I got introduced to them by the Forcedexposure cover feature. Have the Atavistic cds plus a few live sets that were Dimed some time back.

Also love Debris, Vertical Slit and wish I knew my way through what else is out there along the same lines.

Stevolende, Saturday, 25 February 2012 10:04 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIHBehzE5l8

For a split second in the end, many get an idea what their stage presence was.

ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 07:15 (seven years ago) link

Is that the only video from the time? It was the only one pre-92 I could find on youtube when I looked last week.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 09:18 (seven years ago) link

Yep, I believe that's the only video record of that band afaik.

(But their entire '77 "Live At The Library" show was recorded on videotape! That's just gotta be released someday, right?)

Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:19 (seven years ago) link

Have Hard Attack on vinyl

Anybody rec. me a decent table to play it on apart from snooker, billiards or table tennis etc. Sorry

These chaps were fucking weird to me. At least 5 years ahead and from bumfuck too. Excellent

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:15 (seven years ago) link

Also love Debris, Vertical Slit and wish I knew my way through what else is out there along the same lines.

― Stevolende, Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:04 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

good question, cuz the stuff that i associate most closely with MX-80 sound and the other bands stevolende mentions tends to much less aggressively avant: simply saucer, fungus brains/venom p. stinger, electric eels, rocket from the tombs, etc. would love to think there's a bunch more seriously art & noise damaged alien punk out there. i mean, i guess chrome qualify, but they're a good deal more well-known than MX-80.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:27 (seven years ago) link

Twinkeyz!

their entire '77 "Live At The Library" show was recorded on videotape! That's just gotta be released someday, right?)

― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:19 (4 hours ago)

As a former Bloomington resident, I can almost guarantee you that this video is languishing in the cable access archives in the Bloomington Public Library. For more info you might want to write the folks at MFT Archives in Indiana, http://musicalfamilytree.ning.com/

sleeve, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:59 (seven years ago) link

just found this in the comments about MX80 Sound at a blog called
North Fork sound
http://northforksound.blogspot.com/2008/12/mx-80-sound.html
the blog writer compares the English & Dutch versions of Hard Attack and says
"ok, it's the same mix but the UK pressing has more high/mid (in the 8 - 10KHz, I would guess) on it, making Rich's voice a bit more 'present' and the overall sound perhaps a little thinner. One could argue, however, that the guitar has a touch more 'bite' to it and the drums sound crisper. Both sound fantastic on headphones cranked up loud!"

So there's the answer to a question I think gets asked in the thread above.

Stevolende, Friday, 2 March 2012 10:30 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

*head explodes*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtqsjaU3MPI

velmawallenrod 1 week ago

I'm currently working on the next installment of the MX-80 reissue series, and it will feature a full album's worth of entirely unreleased material from their (vast) vaults. The number of compositions they came up with in a several year period, and jettisoning most of them as they went, is astonishing. It should be released on the Superior Viaduct label in a few months, after the vinyl reissue of the re-mixed "Hard Attack" (which is due out shortly... check their web site for updates).

*head explodes again*

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 7 April 2013 15:30 (six years ago) link

vinyl reissue of the re-mixed "Hard Attack"

aw hell yeah! great news.

sleeve, Sunday, 7 April 2013 18:09 (six years ago) link

As someone who owns 4 minutely different vinyl versions of "Hard Attack" (plus a fifth for good measure), I concur

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 7 April 2013 19:19 (six years ago) link

yeah shit yeah

contenderizer, Sunday, 7 April 2013 19:34 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

Picked up the "Hard Attack" reissue lp this wknd, sounds great

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 22 July 2013 20:05 (six years ago) link

Man, can't wait for unreleased MX-80 Sound. The Chinaboise thing is pretty underrated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7BIDXQmo5A

Soundslike, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 00:01 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

MX-80 SOUND - Hard Attack 2CD
Debut album restored from the original analog tapes (also available in vinyl edition) + 19 unreleased songs from 1976-1978.

http://www.superiorviaduct.com/collections/cds/products/mx-80-sound-hard-attack-2cd

omg, this release is practically everything it could've been!

It was 18 years from the release of "Hard Attack" until its first CD reissue, and here it is again another 18 years after that. And with a slightly different, new bass-heavy mix, some may think it sounds even better this time around. I'm not necessarily among them ("Civilized/Demeyes" in particular sounds quite a bit bonier than every other mix I've heard), but I do appreciate being able to really HEAR Dale's bass lines for the first time. The stuff he plays on "Summer '77" in particular is a revelation. (Also, there's no "Sad Girls" on this edition like the '95 Atavistic added to theirs, but I guess the integrity of the original LP is preserved this way.)

And the bonus stuff on the second disc! Over an hour of it, live/studio/rehearsals recorded from '76-78, in good-to-great audio and uniformly tighhht performance. Some highlights:

"Felonious Funk", "Stranger's Friend" - Outtakes from the "Hard Attack" sessions (all two days of them), these were previously heard on the "Live At The Library" CD, but it's lovely hearing 'em clearly with that highwire Gilfoy Studio sound. Also worth noting: the lyrics are completely different this time around, which maybe demonstrates just how fluid the lyrics could be, since both were recorded in April of '77. (How much material did these guys HAVE, anyways?)

"Rockin' Robots" - I've always called the 1976-79 edition of this band my favourite American band ever (or close enough) and the dual drum team of Jeff Armour/Dave Mahoney are the reason why - I seriously can't think of another drum team that sounds like 'em, that incomparable tight looseness. Can't tell what was rehearsed, what was improvised, and what was a brilliant mistake. This track gives a good example of what I mean.

"Sit Down" - This, better than the two or three imitation-Henny Youngman my-wife's-cooking bits scattered throughout the disc, is one of the best displays of Rich Stim's crackpot sense of humour: a "Tighten Up" styled little R&B jam with Rich attempting some JB-style "huh!"s and pseudo-lecturing some hypothetical guy in the crowd who wants to take his shirt off and dance to "come on, siddown. Hey SIT DOWN!" Plus he throws in some excellent "Super Bad"-style free alto blowing.

"What The..." Along with "Tidal Wave" and "Someday You'll Be King", the most purely Punk Rock they ever got. (Wish I could make out a single word. Or find this song in my "How Can..." lyric book.)

"Rock Mini", "Spoonfight" - BRUCE FUCKIN' ANDERSON YOU ARE MY GUITAR GOD

And that's about 25 minutes of this!

Maybe the most amazing thing about this document is just how much material these guys had...could've released full LPs of new songs each year between their first and 2nd full albums - as many as Devo, and one more than Television, to name two bands who these guys have reminded me of for at least a song or two at a time. (Others are Ubu, Chrome, minutemen, Burma, B-52s, Tubeway Army, etc etc.)

So happy to see the circle-p next to the band's name on the back cover - that suggests that they own all their own stuff, and that we might see more archival releases someday. (Again: the material that these guys had! There are still two dozen songs in that songbook that have never surfaced.) Would love to see a box set of those legendary Monroe County Public Library gigs, or at least that '76 one from the Time Out Tavern. Until then I'll thank the boys for this labour of love. (Oh yeah, there's some nice live-in-the-living room and elsewhere photos. And a dedication to both Jeff Armour and Dave Mahoney...so I guess Jeff is dead, too. sadly. RIP)

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 3 November 2013 23:07 (six years ago) link

...so I guess nobody else is interested in this, yes?

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 21:47 (six years ago) link

Oh I am definitely interested in vinyl reissue of Hard Attack.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 21:50 (six years ago) link

i was bummed that i missed the release show

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 21:52 (six years ago) link

Have been trying to work out if I need it if I already have the Atavistic version plus Live At The Library. Hadn't heard about bass orientated remixing or anything.
Is much of Live at the Library on there?

Label did a good job with the Devo Hardcore set so might look into this if I get some dosh.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:14 (six years ago) link

The vinyl reissue looks and sounds awesome. I am sure I will pick up the cd at some point.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:15 (six years ago) link

slightly annoying that the download code you get with the vinyl doesn't give you the bonus tracks from the double cd...

Michael Train, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:21 (six years ago) link

The atavistic cd is mis-tracked, though that affects the single more. Remastered, so of course more gain now, but the bass is more prominent as well. Atavistic CD gives you "Sad Girls" as a bonus.

Michael Train, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:24 (six years ago) link

About a dozen or so tracks from various library gigs, but nothing repeated from the 2002 Live At The Library 1977-78 release on Gulcher...although both releases do feature tracks from a particular May '78 show. xpost to Stevo

Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:45 (six years ago) link

Thanks, does sound pretty necessary then.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:11 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

Really cool long piece about the band, bringing them up to the present day

https://www.bynwr.com/articles/long-distance-information

I tracked down 2015's "So Funny" which passed me by (it's on bandcamp) and it is very cool

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 4 November 2019 14:45 (one week ago) link

thanks the the bump, I need to track down that expanded Hard Attack reissue

Book Doula (sleeve), Monday, 4 November 2019 15:24 (one week ago) link

I knew a few of those guys for quite a while before I knew they had been in this band. I think it was shortly after Weasel moved to Oakland ... and he told me about MX80 and asked if I knew any of these people, and he listed a couple names. And my response was like ... Dale? The guy that runs that movie theater in Berkeley?

sarahell, Monday, 4 November 2019 18:19 (one week ago) link


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