― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 17 March 2003 07:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Like Hard Attack and Crowd Control and shit? Totally classic. Bruce Anderson's guitar playing is very original and rewarding of repeated listens.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 17 March 2003 08:02 (sixteen years ago) link
― girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 17 March 2003 08:36 (sixteen years ago) link
― matt riedl (veal), Monday, 17 March 2003 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link
― hstencil, Monday, 17 March 2003 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I like the dbl live Henry Kaiser alb that Anderson plays on ('Heart's Desire'?)
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 17 March 2003 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, Chuck Eddy to thread (first heard about 'em through Stairway to Hell, I think...or was it Trouser Press?)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison, Friday, 7 May 2004 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Thomas, you can get essentially everything you need on two CDs. The Big Hits/Hard Attack CD and the Out of Control CD on Atavistic. The former is their first EP and LP, and the latter is their 2nd and 3rd lps (originally recorded for Ralph) on 1 CD.
Personally, I'd go with Out of Control first. I like the songs slightly better on those later records. But the group interplay and Bruce Anderson's skin-flaying guitar is gloriously present across all their recorded work. But yeah, buy those two CDs - which can usually be found fairly cheaply anyway - and you've pretty much got it covered.
I don't care so much for the 90s era stuff, but god bless 'em for keepin' on keepin' on. I saw 'em play live in my old college radio station's record library and they were a lot of fun. Really cool guys.
I can't tell if I was trying to be funny or not with my original comment up there.
Also, Myonga Von Bontee to thread.
― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 7 May 2004 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 7 May 2004 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Crowd Control: Initially, I liked it more because it sounded like MX-80 were becoming a more conventional hard rock band. Then I realized I liked them noiser, more tuneless and louder best.
― George Smith, Friday, 7 May 2004 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
What is John (Cougar) Mellancamp's best song?
― chuck, Friday, 7 May 2004 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link
HALF UNDERWATER: Das Love Boot (although it sounds good at the moment under a live stream of Donald Rumsfeld's inventive denials)
Simultaneously one of the best art rock and hard rock bands to come from Midwest. They're one of prime Sonic Youth's finest influences.
Also check out Bloomington's neurotic Dancing Cigarettes if MX-80's just too macho for your pouch. I even liked some songs on an MX-related Angel Corpus Christi CD that came from Geffen about ten years ago.
You really should check them out more thoroughly.
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link
― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 7 May 2004 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 7 May 2004 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Saturday, 8 May 2004 05:02 (fifteen years ago) link
― jwd, Saturday, 8 May 2004 07:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, enough leftover PCB-sludge from the Westinghouse Corp to warrant eight separate federal Superfund clean-up sites, thus inspiring the MX80 song "Tidal Wave."
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 8 May 2004 08:36 (fifteen years ago) link
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 8 May 2004 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I think Bloomington pride is why I'm keeping these albums around.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 May 2004 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link
― chuck, Saturday, 8 May 2004 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
― brg30 (brg30), Saturday, 8 May 2004 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
...one of the owners/founders of which store was the drummer for said band in their late-80s incarnation.
― kdjeifw@ijfd, Sunday, 9 May 2004 07:10 (fifteen years ago) link
― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Sunday, 9 May 2004 17:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Chuck: I was the proud owner of both "Hard Attacks" a year before "Stairway To Hell" was published! But (along with Richard Riegel) you get full credit for hipping me to the band in the first place.
Ian: "Existential Lover" is good-but-not-great. Good songs sabotaged by the lack of a human drummer and some listless Rich Stim vocals. No doubt law school was consuming the bulk of his energy.
brg30: I think "Always Leave 'em...", like most live MX-80, suffers from Stim's inability to effectively sing & play at the same time. The great live stuff from the all-instrumental "Das Love Boat" is the exception that kinda proves the rule.
jwd: Of the "Subterranean Modern" tracks, only "I Left My Heart In San Francisco" has made it to CD, on "Das Love Boat." Minor trivia note: "San Francisco" is the only MX-80 cover of an actual song that's NOT a TV/movie theme! (At least, until "We're An American Band" is released.)
Finally, Hard Attack and Das Love Boat may be deleted, so I'll gladly burn copies for anyone curious enough to pay for postage. This band, and its impenetrable roadblock-of-sound demands to be heard!
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 10 May 2004 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link
― jimmy glass (electricsound), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link
― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 04:39 (fourteen years ago) link
And in case I haven't gotten my tiresome message through:
http://www.mx-80.com/images/discography/HardAttack.jpg...greatest album evah!
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:31 (fourteen years ago) link
― reviving, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Also not mentioned on this thread is a great live album "1977 Live At The Library 1978" that was recorded when they were still in B-ton. The newly reconstituted Gulcher label put it out a few years back.
― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Dave Mahoney RIP
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish I had that! One showed up on ebay and I kicked myself for seeing it too late.
From the band's Forced Exposure interview:
FE: Is it true that the Dutch pressing has a different mix? Does that really exist?
Dale: Yeah. It's the original mix in fact.
Bruce: Basically, what happened is that the A&R person who signed us up, Howard Thompson, decided there wasn't enough compression on it. So he compressed it and gave it a "vocal" mix.
I read somewhere that the CD reissue reverted to the original mix. But I've played both the LP and CD over 1000 times and can't tell the difference, so either that source was misinformed or my ears just aren't that great. (On the other hand, I haven't played the vinyl since the CD was released 11 years ago, so maybe it's my memory that's at fault. Who knows?)
(Oh, and thanks for posting that link, Ned.)
― Scott Bloomfield (the former MVB) (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 4 May 2006 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
As for MX-80 Sound, I prefer the two-drum attack sound, but still love the early 80s releases.
Any fans of Debris? I can't ever quite get into them as much, but they definitely share some qualities with MX-80 Sound.
― I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
― the descent of mayne (am0n), Saturday, 27 February 2010 04:57 (nine years ago) link
But life couldn't be lusherNow that I've got an ice crusher
CRUSHED! ICE!CRUSHED! ICE!
― Big Drug Dan (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 25 February 2012 07:03 (seven years ago) link
Yeah good band. I got introduced to them by the Forcedexposure cover feature. Have the Atavistic cds plus a few live sets that were Dimed some time back.
Also love Debris, Vertical Slit and wish I knew my way through what else is out there along the same lines.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 25 February 2012 10:04 (seven years ago) link
For a split second in the end, many get an idea what their stage presence was.
― ma ck ro ma ck ro (mackro mackro), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 07:15 (seven years ago) link
Is that the only video from the time? It was the only one pre-92 I could find on youtube when I looked last week.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 09:18 (seven years ago) link
Yep, I believe that's the only video record of that band afaik.
(But their entire '77 "Live At The Library" show was recorded on videotape! That's just gotta be released someday, right?)
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:19 (seven years ago) link
Have Hard Attack on vinyl
Anybody rec. me a decent table to play it on apart from snooker, billiards or table tennis etc. Sorry
These chaps were fucking weird to me. At least 5 years ahead and from bumfuck too. Excellent
― Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:15 (seven years ago) link
― Stevolende, Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:04 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
good question, cuz the stuff that i associate most closely with MX-80 sound and the other bands stevolende mentions tends to much less aggressively avant: simply saucer, fungus brains/venom p. stinger, electric eels, rocket from the tombs, etc. would love to think there's a bunch more seriously art & noise damaged alien punk out there. i mean, i guess chrome qualify, but they're a good deal more well-known than MX-80.
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:27 (seven years ago) link
their entire '77 "Live At The Library" show was recorded on videotape! That's just gotta be released someday, right?)
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 18:19 (4 hours ago)
As a former Bloomington resident, I can almost guarantee you that this video is languishing in the cable access archives in the Bloomington Public Library. For more info you might want to write the folks at MFT Archives in Indiana, http://musicalfamilytree.ning.com/
― sleeve, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:59 (seven years ago) link
just found this in the comments about MX80 Sound at a blog called North Fork soundhttp://northforksound.blogspot.com/2008/12/mx-80-sound.htmlthe blog writer compares the English & Dutch versions of Hard Attack and says"ok, it's the same mix but the UK pressing has more high/mid (in the 8 - 10KHz, I would guess) on it, making Rich's voice a bit more 'present' and the overall sound perhaps a little thinner. One could argue, however, that the guitar has a touch more 'bite' to it and the drums sound crisper. Both sound fantastic on headphones cranked up loud!"
So there's the answer to a question I think gets asked in the thread above.
― Stevolende, Friday, 2 March 2012 10:30 (seven years ago) link
velmawallenrod 1 week ago
I'm currently working on the next installment of the MX-80 reissue series, and it will feature a full album's worth of entirely unreleased material from their (vast) vaults. The number of compositions they came up with in a several year period, and jettisoning most of them as they went, is astonishing. It should be released on the Superior Viaduct label in a few months, after the vinyl reissue of the re-mixed "Hard Attack" (which is due out shortly... check their web site for updates).
*head explodes again*
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 7 April 2013 15:30 (six years ago) link
vinyl reissue of the re-mixed "Hard Attack"
aw hell yeah! great news.
― sleeve, Sunday, 7 April 2013 18:09 (six years ago) link
As someone who owns 4 minutely different vinyl versions of "Hard Attack" (plus a fifth for good measure), I concur
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 7 April 2013 19:19 (six years ago) link
yeah shit yeah
― contenderizer, Sunday, 7 April 2013 19:34 (six years ago) link
Picked up the "Hard Attack" reissue lp this wknd, sounds great
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 22 July 2013 20:05 (six years ago) link
Man, can't wait for unreleased MX-80 Sound. The Chinaboise thing is pretty underrated:
― Soundslike, Tuesday, 23 July 2013 00:01 (six years ago) link
MX-80 SOUND - Hard Attack 2CDDebut album restored from the original analog tapes (also available in vinyl edition) + 19 unreleased songs from 1976-1978.
omg, this release is practically everything it could've been!
It was 18 years from the release of "Hard Attack" until its first CD reissue, and here it is again another 18 years after that. And with a slightly different, new bass-heavy mix, some may think it sounds even better this time around. I'm not necessarily among them ("Civilized/Demeyes" in particular sounds quite a bit bonier than every other mix I've heard), but I do appreciate being able to really HEAR Dale's bass lines for the first time. The stuff he plays on "Summer '77" in particular is a revelation. (Also, there's no "Sad Girls" on this edition like the '95 Atavistic added to theirs, but I guess the integrity of the original LP is preserved this way.)
And the bonus stuff on the second disc! Over an hour of it, live/studio/rehearsals recorded from '76-78, in good-to-great audio and uniformly tighhht performance. Some highlights:
"Felonious Funk", "Stranger's Friend" - Outtakes from the "Hard Attack" sessions (all two days of them), these were previously heard on the "Live At The Library" CD, but it's lovely hearing 'em clearly with that highwire Gilfoy Studio sound. Also worth noting: the lyrics are completely different this time around, which maybe demonstrates just how fluid the lyrics could be, since both were recorded in April of '77. (How much material did these guys HAVE, anyways?)
"Rockin' Robots" - I've always called the 1976-79 edition of this band my favourite American band ever (or close enough) and the dual drum team of Jeff Armour/Dave Mahoney are the reason why - I seriously can't think of another drum team that sounds like 'em, that incomparable tight looseness. Can't tell what was rehearsed, what was improvised, and what was a brilliant mistake. This track gives a good example of what I mean.
"Sit Down" - This, better than the two or three imitation-Henny Youngman my-wife's-cooking bits scattered throughout the disc, is one of the best displays of Rich Stim's crackpot sense of humour: a "Tighten Up" styled little R&B jam with Rich attempting some JB-style "huh!"s and pseudo-lecturing some hypothetical guy in the crowd who wants to take his shirt off and dance to "come on, siddown. Hey SIT DOWN!" Plus he throws in some excellent "Super Bad"-style free alto blowing.
"What The..." Along with "Tidal Wave" and "Someday You'll Be King", the most purely Punk Rock they ever got. (Wish I could make out a single word. Or find this song in my "How Can..." lyric book.)
"Rock Mini", "Spoonfight" - BRUCE FUCKIN' ANDERSON YOU ARE MY GUITAR GOD
And that's about 25 minutes of this!
Maybe the most amazing thing about this document is just how much material these guys had...could've released full LPs of new songs each year between their first and 2nd full albums - as many as Devo, and one more than Television, to name two bands who these guys have reminded me of for at least a song or two at a time. (Others are Ubu, Chrome, minutemen, Burma, B-52s, Tubeway Army, etc etc.)
So happy to see the circle-p next to the band's name on the back cover - that suggests that they own all their own stuff, and that we might see more archival releases someday. (Again: the material that these guys had! There are still two dozen songs in that songbook that have never surfaced.) Would love to see a box set of those legendary Monroe County Public Library gigs, or at least that '76 one from the Time Out Tavern. Until then I'll thank the boys for this labour of love. (Oh yeah, there's some nice live-in-the-living room and elsewhere photos. And a dedication to both Jeff Armour and Dave Mahoney...so I guess Jeff is dead, too. sadly. RIP)
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 3 November 2013 23:07 (six years ago) link
...so I guess nobody else is interested in this, yes?
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 21:47 (six years ago) link
Oh I am definitely interested in vinyl reissue of Hard Attack.
― Trip Maker, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 21:50 (six years ago) link
i was bummed that i missed the release show
― sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 21:52 (six years ago) link
Have been trying to work out if I need it if I already have the Atavistic version plus Live At The Library. Hadn't heard about bass orientated remixing or anything. Is much of Live at the Library on there?
Label did a good job with the Devo Hardcore set so might look into this if I get some dosh.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:14 (six years ago) link
The vinyl reissue looks and sounds awesome. I am sure I will pick up the cd at some point.
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:15 (six years ago) link
slightly annoying that the download code you get with the vinyl doesn't give you the bonus tracks from the double cd...
― Michael Train, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:21 (six years ago) link
The atavistic cd is mis-tracked, though that affects the single more. Remastered, so of course more gain now, but the bass is more prominent as well. Atavistic CD gives you "Sad Girls" as a bonus.
― Michael Train, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:24 (six years ago) link
About a dozen or so tracks from various library gigs, but nothing repeated from the 2002 Live At The Library 1977-78 release on Gulcher...although both releases do feature tracks from a particular May '78 show. xpost to Stevo
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:45 (six years ago) link
Thanks, does sound pretty necessary then.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 23:11 (six years ago) link
Really cool long piece about the band, bringing them up to the present day
I tracked down 2015's "So Funny" which passed me by (it's on bandcamp) and it is very cool
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 4 November 2019 14:45 (one week ago) link
thanks the the bump, I need to track down that expanded Hard Attack reissue
― Book Doula (sleeve), Monday, 4 November 2019 15:24 (one week ago) link
I knew a few of those guys for quite a while before I knew they had been in this band. I think it was shortly after Weasel moved to Oakland ... and he told me about MX80 and asked if I knew any of these people, and he listed a couple names. And my response was like ... Dale? The guy that runs that movie theater in Berkeley?
― sarahell, Monday, 4 November 2019 18:19 (one week ago) link