Radiohead: Classic or Dud?

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For Christ's sake, just get it over with already. Heh

Melissa W, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

dud

so, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic. Oh so classic. Not the best band in the world, but very very very very good.

Dan Perry, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Robert Christgau detests them. Therefore, they're doubtlessly a classic.

Nate Patrin, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

nyyyyeahh..Classic...havent heard "Amnesiac" yet though. Thom Yorke has and always will bug me but the sublime music makes up for it.

Michael, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Nate : Christgau also detests Insane Clown Posse, David Crosby, Yanni and Celine Dion. Those sure are some interesting tastes you have there.

Patrick, Friday, 29 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

He also thinks the Backstreet Boys' "I Want it that Way" is one of the greatest moments in pop history.

And fuck, who DOESN'T hate ICP and Celine Dion, et al?

Nate Patrin, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Dan doesn't hate ICP. Indeed, he adores them. :-)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Semi-dud, "Ok Computer" is well okay. The rest: whatever. Made more important than they really are.

Omar, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

D U D .

Ben Butler, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, for Amnesiac alone. Who else do you expect to descend from Valhalla and release a #1 album with something that sounds like "Pulk/Pull" on it? And if you don't think that's progress then we hope that you choke. And it sounds wonderful, too. To echo Tom's sentiments, I desperately hope they don't go and record OK Computer 2 now, in an attempt to avoid Entertainment Weekly calling their non- guitar records "marginalia". I go back and forth between OKC's and Kid A, but when they do get it right, it's fantastic and there's enough collective quality to warrant Classic status.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

they aren't as bad as they used to be.

THIS IS A BACKHANDED COMPLIMENT, OKAY?

gareth, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Now, ask me this question two years ago, and I couldn't have controlled my bile.

Then something changed. But not quite Classic. They're still too awkward / nervous to really be defined as such. But far from Dud, though "Fake Plastic Trees" sounds dudder every day.

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Nate : Lots of people, apparently, since they (Celine & ICP) both sell more records than Radiohead :).

Patrick, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic. I adore OK Computer and Kid A.

Kodanshi, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Easy classic. Too much good stuff to be anything else.

Saying that, is anyone else getting a bit freaked out by Reynolds hyping them in Uncut and The Wire?

Richard Tunnicliffe, Saturday, 30 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Not really, not after reading _Generation Ecstasy_, which I finally did the other day. In some ways, Radiohead now attempts to fuse the two strains of music Simon R. is particularly identified with thanks to his books and writing in general -- experimental indie rock of the eighties and techno of the nineties -- albeit in its own particular style and form, rather than an all-encompassing survey of everything possible. Successful? Up to you.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, but Simon Reynolds likes elevator music, so I'll ignore both him and 'Amnesiac'. Thanks for clearing up my indecision.

tarden, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

CLASSIC.

If only for the last two albums. And Ok Computer...and The Bends.

But resolutely NOT Pablo Honey. Creep is the DUDDEST song in recording history. Shame about that but at least they learnt from their mistakes.

Add, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

dud, especially for the last two records which sound like they were made from kits that are probably sold at radio shack that describe how to make electronic records. ok computer was pretty dudly as well. creep is one of the worst radio hits ever and i never paid much attention when the bends was current but i thought fake plastic trees was pretty for the voice and the lawn furniture sentiments. funny how they were once reviled in england and loved here in the us, but now have respect in the homeland after making three crap records. why didn't that happen for chapterhouse then? oh, they only made one crap record.

keith, Sunday, 1 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

sigh. what can one say, really? i paid no attention while pablo honey (thought the singles were passable) and the bends were current. they just seemed like just some modern rock band, no more interesting than soul asylum was at that time. then all of a sudden ok computer was supposed to be this work of genius. i avoided it for about two years and then finally borrowed a friend's copy and made myself sit through it mostly out of a sense of obligation. i know i also really wanted a current rock album i could really love. "let down" aside, it didn't make much of an impression on first listen, just sounded like just some modern rock band with proggy pretensions. i listened repeatedly to try to see what the deal was. i tried to get into it on its own terms, be willing to accept the stadium-rock trappings and all. then i started to get it - - the melodies seemed beautiful, the production lush, the guitars strong, etc. i didn't like "fitter happier" and the two songs after it but i thought it was emotional on the whole and listened a lot for a couple of months. i feel sorry for the friends whom i subjected to it. i bought used copies of the bends and pablo honey. i almost convinced myself briefly that those were great albums too. i sold them soon after i realized how ordinary they were on the whole.

then, i was playing ok c much less after a while. sometimes i'd put it on and it would seem like old-fashioned overblown stadium rock (no, i don't think that of yes, thanks for asking) with empty vague misanthropic lyrics. and why couldn't he pronounce his consonants? i'd go back and read those glowing reviews and i couldn't connect with them. i'd never liked it that much, had i?

i heard kid a, again mostly to see what the fuss was. aside from "idioteque," nothing made much of an impression again. sounded like some modern rock band using watered-down versions of new electronic music trends as glossy production. i didn't listen repeatedly this time.

i sold ok computer in a clearing-out of my collection this summer.

searches: "street spirit," "let down," "idioteque"

sundar subramanian, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, but you already knew I thought that.

One of the few bands that can survive having a slightly dud but hugely popular first album, but went on to overcome and go from height to height. Because they manage to progress and change their sound without losing what made them interesting in the first place.

What makes them interesting in the first place: *texture* - RH are masters of making music that sounds and *feels* interesting. Complex and multi-layered without sounding "busy". You can listen to a RH song a thousand times, and hear something different each time, as you concentrate and focus on different tiny aspects of the music.

I don't think that RH are avante guard or groundbreaking or anything like that, and that is an accusation thrown at them again and again- that they're not bleeding edge *enough* - "Oh, imitating 5 year old Warp records is hardly progressive" etc. etc. I don't think they're groundbreaking at all - what I *like* about RH is the fact that they are able to steal and borrow from the avante guard- a textural bit from GSYBE!, an approach to beats from Warp- and make it into *POP* by adding melodic hooks, vocals, guitars, etc.

Oh, and they're very good looking. That of course helps. ;-)

masonic boom, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I can't believe I missed the ICP reference!

"Adore" is much to strong a word for how I feel about ICP, particularly after they putout the weak _Amazing Jeckel Brothers_ album. _Bizzar/Bizaar_ redeemed them somewhat, but they really should have trimmed it down to one great album as opposed to two decent ones. And, honestly, _Ringmaster_ is a phenomenal CD. They're a lot of the things Eminem claims to be, only not prepackaged for MTV. Mike E. Clark's beats tend to stomp all over Dr. Dre's, too.

Dan Perry, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

By album, then? okay, here we go

Pablo Honey isn't much cop apart from the three singles. Not pleasant but it has to be said. But Creep was the right song at the right time so that's... about as much as I can objectively say about that.

When OK Computer came out, I refiled The Bends as the lesser of the two albums, but as a guilty pleasure. I still listen to it, and I'm coming to terms with its indulgence. It might be me getting older, but I just sometimes feel like indulging in this, the best angst-rock album in the world, like, ever. It sounds like the video for Drive looks. Listening to it now, you can see it's cut from the same cloth as the later stuff. There a lot that mannered and polished on the album, but there isn't anything that's fake. They pour the same integrity through the guitars that they later express through loops and stuff. It also doesn't hurt that to my ears Thom Yorke has the best voice in the world for this purpose.

I've talked enough about OK Computer over in its Classic or Dud thread. When I heard that Kid A was "difficult", I realised that Radiohead more than any other band I was willing to let go their own thing because if I wanted to hear their old stuff, I'd go listen to it again, like I did at least once a day for a few months. I _like_ their lyrics, and the fact that they're unpretentiously about paranoia and other ways we find to fuck things up. Our mad yoga teacher put the album on halfway through the class, and I was surprised to find out that the stuff I thought was dark and intense four years ago is now sort of calming in parts (Let Down, Subterranean Homesick Alien). But not Climbing Up The Walls, no. Perhaps I'm starting to indulge in this one too. Perhaps in fifty years time we'll all see them as the same album made different ways. I guess I haven't talked enough about OK Computer.

Kid A is difficult, though. I'm ignorant of a lot of its reference points, and the lack of that voice, and any proper lyrics, threw me for a while. But there's a hypnotic mood, and, yes, some fantastic textures that kept me entranced until a way in appeared.

Which was Amnesiac. I'm not sure I've listened to it enough to really appreciate, but it gets better whever I do, and a giant mix of it and the last two albums is pretty much all I listen to some days.

And that's all the albums, but not all the story. Last October I saw them when their tour pulled into Punchestown Racecourse, and saw the other half. Kid A above all is a fractured and neurotic album and I imagine a number of people in the crowd were slightly worried for Thom's mental state. But the live performance is amazing, because they're still a pop band. They may worry for the state of the world, and they may have produced an album of drawing-in and murmurs, but they worry because they love. They've got new ways of expressing this, but they still get the guitars out for the old hits, and you can see the common thread. They don't make guitar music anymore, but they don't regret it. They tore it up for Just, and there isn't an inch of fake on them. They've made an album of the stuff inside their heads, and the kids went mad for it, and they genuinely appeared to be the happiest band in the world. And the look on Thom's face after the crowd went crazy after the floating down the Liffey line was magic

Uh, that's it. I'm done now.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Classic.

Hated them at first though. I saw them support Kingmaker (PAH!), a juggler and Kingmaker's slightly sexist video/art-film. Anyway, I thought they were a hopeless, noisy, generic, grey-sludge (schm)indie band, totally interchangeable with any and every other hopeless, noisy, etcetera, band out there.

My friend, who dragged me there in the first place, tried to defend them to me: "but they've got this song called 'Creep' that's amazing... " Nah, I still prefered Kingmaker (PAH!).

I felt vindicated during the 'Pablo Honey' period, though 'Creep' *was* growing on me. Not that I would admit it.

I bought 'The Bends'. I liked it. Most of it. Thought it was a bit too 'straightforward' (whatever *that* meant), noisy-indie still. Played it a few times then filed it away.

'Paranoid Android' I thought was the best single I had heard in forever and ever. A shaking with rage/trembling with fear, blast- furnace of a song. Total Droid rage. More than that the nudge-nudge, wink-wink, forced, day-glo jolity of BritPop and Loaded-Lad culture had become wearying. During the Cool Britannia party Radiohead were sat on the stairs, head in hands, muttering darkly to themselves. 'OK Computer' saw them swing from anger to sorrow, intensely at odds with an increasingly bankrupt culture where beauty seems to be drifting further and further out of reach and emotions have become numbed in meek surrender to consumerism. Every time I listen to it I end up walking away in a bad mood. I don't listen to it that often as a result. Not all the way through anyway.

Then I went off them. It was all too much. 'OK Computer' was this dark place that I was too afeared to re-visit, and just what *was* Thom Yorke's *problem*? His petulant behaviour was making him come across as more spoilt teenager than world-weary visionary; rage replaced by ugly querulousness. Ah well...

I ignored 'Kid A' when it came out, it didn't interest me. So Radiohead had disappeared up their own wazzoos, so what? What else was new?

A friend taped me a hissy, muggy copy and I gave it a listen.

Instead of the "difficult", "obtuse" and "avant garde" mess-about I had expected, 'Kid A' damn nearly broke my heart on first listen. I immediately recognised the world within and I gladly let the gentle undercurrant pull me under. It's a real headphones on under the duvet record. Not so much as too escape the 'real world' but to re- experiance it with an empathetic arm around the shoulder. The bruised, haunting voice and the distant clicks and whistles may have been indistinct but it perfectly matched how I have felt on occasion, in the murk of a sleepless pre-dawn. And so on...

I still haven't *connected* with 'Amnesiac': it's too juddery; disjointed. Flashes of majesty come and go but I'm left feeling more impressed than... I dunno, *involved*. Still, 'Pakt Like Sardines in a Crushd Tin Box'; 'Pull/Pulk Revolving Doors' and the aching, Smiths- like romantic-disappointment of 'Knives Out' are three of the best things I've heard this century.

Thom can annoy me if I let him but Radiohead are beautiful. Just beautiful...

D*A*V*I*D*M, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

six years pass...

lol u got rick rolled

musically, Saturday, 29 September 2007 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link

even if they are good they suck, because loads of knobs like them.

max r, Saturday, 29 September 2007 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link

given that 2/3 of the british student population like them, you're bound to get a few knobs in there. alongside diamonds like myself. ;-)

Just got offed, Saturday, 29 September 2007 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link

"PROG ROCK INNIT"

not such a bad thing compared to some of the less imaginative bands around now, just not really my cuppa tea.

max r, Saturday, 29 September 2007 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link

One of the maybe five active rock bands worth listening to.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 29 September 2007 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link

They're a fine-sounding band, who I can find no obvious fault with.

And yet I can't be arsed with them.

PhilK, Saturday, 29 September 2007 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

is it wrong that around the time of ok computer i thought they were basically the faces for the 90s?

Lawrence the Looter, Saturday, 29 September 2007 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link

i wonder how max feels about his doppelganger using phrases like loads of knobs like them.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 30 September 2007 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link

not as good now as they were in the mid 90's, when they weren't as good as oasis.

darraghmac, Sunday, 30 September 2007 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link

They're this era's U2, except they're actually good. No wait they're this era's Pink Floyd, except they're actually good. No wait, they're just Radiohead and they're a really good band. Realy good.

the next grozart, Sunday, 30 September 2007 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Are they not this era's R.E.M. except they're more groundbreaking in terms of what is considered popular? I fell in love with them the first time I heard "Creep" (and still dig that first album), own every single b-side but, like others here, for some reason don't play them much at all. Something about over-exposure will do that.

Mr. Odd, Monday, 1 October 2007 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Like Pink Floyd, and to some extent U2, they are just plain damn good. Or, at least they were in the 90s.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link

It would be cool if they wrote a song as catchy as "Creep" again.

Mark Rich@rdson, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link

It would be cool if they wrote a song as catchy as "Creep" again.

You mean something as catchy as "High And Dry" or "Let Down" or "Idioteque" or "Knives Out" or "Where I End And You Begin"? Yeah, that would be cool.

Listen before you leap.

dblcheeksneek, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I listened to all of the main albums today and after ignoring it for years because I didn't like it too much at the time (last heard it the week I bought the CD) I'm now completely blown away by HTTT. </shame>

StanM, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link

I also find that I now seem to like Kid A & Amnesiac less than I always thought.

StanM, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I share your shame. For whatever reason, it wasn't until I revisited HTTT (three years after its release) that it's now sunk in and, for me, surpassed all of their others LPs in terms of balance/quality/strength.

dblcheeksneek, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link

HTTT sounds like a Radiohead greatest hits compilation composed of completely new material

tissp, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link

HTTT sounds like a Radiohead greatest hits compilation composed of completely new material

I couldn't have articulated my assessment or appreciation of HTTT any better. Cheers.

dblcheeksneek, Wednesday, 3 October 2007 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Saw Radiohead live last night. Light show was fantastic. Many of my fave songs were played. I was aghast that they could do Climbing Up The Walls and In Limbo and Dollars & Cents and Talk Show Host, still in 2008, in the same show. I mean boy that's the way to Bimble's Radiohead heart for sure.

But they also fucked up a song from In Rainbows (whatever the really quiet one is with an acoustic guitar, I can't be bothered to look it up) and though people laughed, it really wasn't all that funny and I shouted out "Neil Young". Because it sounded like Neil Young anyway, what they were playing.

I was left feeling that even if Radiohead are past my prime, I may be past my prime as well. I struggled with the indifference of those around me. All around me, people just standing there motionless. Who were they, why were they here? They didn't give a fuck about Radiohead.
Luckily there were some girls just behind me who were at least showing some enthusiasm.

I struggled realizing that if a person was here and was say 20 years old, they would not necessarily remember the Radiohead show I saw here in 2001. Yeah I really struggled with that, too.

The only thing I held against them was the lack of Paranoid Android. I mean wow, how could they leave THAT one out? But okay you know, we're all getting older all the time, maybe we're too old for Paranoid Android?

Bimble, Thursday, 21 August 2008 17:14 (twelve years ago) link

But it was a good show, I don't mean that. There was nothing wrong with the performance aside from that song, really. And what was the new bass & drums thing they added to the fucking GLOAMING??? WOW!

Bimble, Thursday, 21 August 2008 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

I would be sort of pissed if they left out P.A.

wanko ergo sum, Thursday, 21 August 2008 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

Awwww...thanks. That makes me feel better.

Bimble, Thursday, 21 August 2008 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

According to the setlist at At Ease they did play a bit of Neil Young when they screwed up "Faust Arp":

"Faust Arp [Thom messes up lyrics several times, starts singing Neil Young's "Tell Me Why"; Jonny tries to follow along but can't quite get the chords. Phil comes out and drops an American dollar bill out in front of Thom and Jonny and runs away laughing. Thom and Jonny crack up completely to loud cheers. Thom tries again, says "Fuck it!", but then continues and finishes the song.]"

lou, Thursday, 21 August 2008 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, I'm ashamed to admit that I check the setlists for Radiohead shows I didn't go to.

lou, Thursday, 21 August 2008 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

if you haven't heard them Sons of Kemet are rad as hell

frogbs, Sunday, 23 May 2021 03:52 (two months ago) link

whatever it is,

But seriously: wow

― ✖✖✖ (Moka)

otm

Karl Malone, Sunday, 23 May 2021 03:53 (two months ago) link

Excluding the last two songs - particularly the “rock”’one I think it’s 7, sounded like a demo of a non-descript new wave band - the first 4/5 songs have great grooves

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 23 May 2021 04:18 (two months ago) link

anywhere to watch this now?

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 23 May 2021 14:12 (two months ago) link

found it on the dreaded reddit

adam, Sunday, 23 May 2021 14:27 (two months ago) link

thanks

that was cool, never getting over my radiohead phase it seems

Roz, Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:48 (two months ago) link

Here you go

https://bcovlive-a.akamaihd.net/a1a395c883004c05b3184dc2ea9570f1/eu-west-1/6252938537001/profile_0/chunklist_dvr.m3u8

It seems the whole concert is there: haim, coldplay, damon albarn, jorja smith, kano... the smile are at at the 2 hour 40 min mark.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:50 (two months ago) link

phil is walking along a quiet river path. life is like a river, in some ways, he thinks. mostly made of water. he absent-mindedly starts tapping out a familiar rhythm -- no, no. that time is over now

Karl Malone, Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:51 (two months ago) link

lol

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:52 (two months ago) link

this didn't do much for me, although i wasn't paying close attention. aside from a few tracks from the eraser i don't really enjoy thom outside of RH

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 23 May 2021 20:23 (two months ago) link

Just now watching the Glastonbury recording, love it!

willem, Sunday, 30 May 2021 06:17 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

Thom Yorke remixes Creep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYRAGR91CHQ

yeah but how, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 02:32 (three weeks ago) link

what the hell is he doing here?

Roz, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 02:57 (three weeks ago) link

it was commissioned for a fashion show last year

ufo, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 03:09 (three weeks ago) link

oh actually from earlier this year

ufo, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 03:11 (three weeks ago) link

I thought he was trolling when he played it on that fashion show. It used to be just a slowed down version of the acoustic version of Creep, but he added some synths around the 3 minute mark that almost redeem the “remix”.

Still think he’s trolling with this.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 03:21 (three weeks ago) link

the synths aren't new to this release, it was like that in the fashion show too

i think they specifically asked for a creep remix as the show was called "creep very" and this is what he came up with

ufo, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 03:24 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah you’re probably right. I didn’t really pay attention back then.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 03:48 (three weeks ago) link

High time they released a new album

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 09:21 (three weeks ago) link

I'm not really sure where they can go after AMSP, and judging from snippets I've read recently neither are they yet.

chap, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 09:25 (three weeks ago) link

make some fuckin rock music again lads. engerlaaand

imago, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 10:17 (three weeks ago) link

actually, they should just go full prog ffs <<<vmic

imago, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 10:17 (three weeks ago) link

i was thinking a more down-home approach (with some twists and surprises, naturally) would be a logical step now. They can't have run out of ideas, surely?

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 10:47 (three weeks ago) link

i don't think they've even started work on a new one yet, but the smile album is probably on its way sometime soonish

ufo, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 11:19 (three weeks ago) link

my forbidden opinion is that In Rainbows led them up a creative cul-de-sac that they've been unable to emerge from. rewind to HTTT and relaunch from there, except more fun pls

imago, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 11:32 (three weeks ago) link

'Very 2021 Rmx', heh. Definitely a troll.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 11:34 (three weeks ago) link

what about long tunes that aren't proggy like paranoid android? 'these are my twisted words' was an interesting direction for them

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 13:37 (three weeks ago) link

imago, how is In Rainbows a significant turn/dead end to HTTT? I mean, they're different albums but it's not like they're vastly different

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 15:06 (three weeks ago) link

"These Are My Twisted Words" is very much in the 'itchy twiggy loops' style of TKOL

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 15:09 (three weeks ago) link

imago, how is In Rainbows a significant turn/dead end to HTTT? I mean, they're different albums but it's not like they're vastly different

― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin)

I don't know about creative dead end, but the two albums are about as different as Radiohead albums could be - one sprawling, disjointed, a little abrasive, the other focused, concise and dreamy.

chap, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 15:22 (three weeks ago) link

i was thinking a more down-home approach (with some twists and surprises, naturally) would be a logical step now.

HK Bobo?

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 15:48 (three weeks ago) link

They should do a Back to Our Roots "rock" record.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 15:53 (three weeks ago) link

full orchestral shit only imo

class project pat (m bison), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 16:17 (three weeks ago) link

I don't know about creative dead end, but the two albums are about as different as Radiohead albums could be - one sprawling, disjointed, a little abrasive, the other focused, concise and dreamy.

― chap, Tuesday, July 13, 2021 4:22 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hmmm... The first two songs on In Rainbows would easily fit on HTTT whereas there are loads of dreamy tunes on HTTT that would fit on IR. I don't really hear them as particularly focused through-and-through. They are Radiohead albums with slightly different bents, sure, but I don't understand why IR could be considered a "cul-de-sac", especially since there have been several releases since then.

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 16:27 (three weeks ago) link

the smile is their way out.

the band, The Smile, which happened after phil was sacked, along with colin and ed.

it's sort of a joke, but also, that one set was very good and had lots of incredible ideas. that's their way forward. "they" = thom and jonny. they don't need ed there adding his tiddly-doos and his "ahhhhhs". colin is great but who needs bass. and phil, well. he's been sacked. they sounded incredible as a tight 3-piece. i could hear everything jonny was doing so clearly, every little thing. the smile. it's just as bad as "radiohead". it's great. the smile. that's what they're doing now. it's better.

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 16:38 (three weeks ago) link

Have been enjoying you so stubbornly sticking to your conspiratorial guns, KM
(I'd actually be 100% on board with that posited turn of events, since I was really impressed by the Smile's Glasto video set and think Skinner is a pretty perfect foil for them)

Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 17:03 (three weeks ago) link

the trick is to fool yourself, too! i mean, to me, that happened

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 17:07 (three weeks ago) link

seriously though, i think they sound great that way, as a 3-piece. i've heard some thom/jonny duets before, of course, including the lovely ones with PT Anderson and a quiet drum machine. those always sounded like what they were - one-offs. with a real drummer (and a really good one, skinner), though, combined with new songs that fit that format? they were LIGHTNING

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 17:09 (three weeks ago) link

(Also would have maybe preferred The Erase as a good bad band name for this new trio, perhaps a passably Spinal Tap stupid-funny thing for them to try and pull, like 'well, the r was just, like, eraaased, man', plus that way it'd fall a bit more closely in line with Atoms For Peace)

Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 17:13 (three weeks ago) link

personally i would have gone with T+J Maxx

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 17:16 (three weeks ago) link

Now we're typin'

Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 17:44 (three weeks ago) link

Am imagining a scenario where Phil Selway lurks ILX occasionally for Krautrock recs and, in a moment of curiosity, reads this thread and subsequently starts frantically Googling for news sources on his own sacking.😄

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 18:01 (two weeks ago) link

*phil googles self, sees breaking news*

"bald british batería banned by bandmates"

"fuck."

class project pat (m bison), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 18:09 (two weeks ago) link

Phil reads on, hoping against hope that it was the drummer from Portishead

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 18:14 (two weeks ago) link

...or Gaydaddiohead

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 18:36 (two weeks ago) link

Anything from “the smile” released yet ?
(Don’t kid yourselves, it’s a terrible name)

calstars, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 18:47 (two weeks ago) link

full orchestral shit only imo

As someone who loves 'Harry Patch (In Memory Of)' and their unused theme for 'Spectre' endorse this 100%.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 19:17 (two weeks ago) link

i dont wanna see these sad old bastards do anything but have bad hair in a performance hall while they revive endangered instruments and do more penderecki shit.

class project pat (m bison), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 19:27 (two weeks ago) link

lol

calstars, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 21:08 (two weeks ago) link

lol pic.twitter.com/up9HlVwHuj

— br◎seph (@on3ness) July 14, 2021

cerebral halsey (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 21:15 (two weeks ago) link


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