The Dance Music Nobody Talks About S & D

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Lets not talk about house or techno, nor trip-hop, nor jungle nor microhouse nor electroclash. Lets talk about the dance records that don't fit into this contiuum, that wont be reviewed by Reynolds or anyone else.

Search: "Jardine de Cecile" by Juno Reactor from Bible of Dreams
and expecially,
"Crucified" by the Army of Lovers!

I am mostly interested in hearing about club hits from the early 90s that are too obscure to be pop hits, and too uncool to ever be part of the underground dance music discography... but feel free to post anything else!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 15 March 2003 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link

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jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Scooter were once firmly in this category - a perennial Dirty Vicar fave but ignored by everyone else - and now they bestride the world of chart pop, sort of. So there's hope for everyone!

S: Congress - "40 Miles", italo-piano house belter which had the misfortune to come out just when everyone was getting into breakbeat hardcore. A minor hit, so it's forgotten about as pop but far too successful to be an underground classic. But classic it is, in a rather eager-to-please way.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 15 March 2003 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Search: Moby's work as UHF ( "Peace Head," "UHF3," "Protect Write").. some of the weirder shite he's done

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 15 March 2003 01:14 (seventeen years ago) link

(that probably doesn't count, sorry.. I'll do better next time)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 15 March 2003 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

no need to aplogize this is a friendly thread!

i am just waiting for Ned to show up. Surely, if he reviewed the AoL disc on AMG, he must have other ideas?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 15 March 2003 01:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Uncanny Alliance-"I'm Beautiful, Dammit!" and "I Got My Education". Don't know if they're uncool enough, though.

Arthur (Arthur), Saturday, 15 March 2003 01:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Stool Pigeon by Kid Creole & The Coconuts

Movin'On by 400 Blows

at a stretch they could figure in this 80's avant funk thing going on.

Nik (Nik), Saturday, 15 March 2003 02:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no idea at all what's in or out when it comes to dance music and its history, Aaron. I just like beats. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 02:34 (seventeen years ago) link

no thats the whole point... we are just looking for beats!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 15 March 2003 02:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I really liked a couple of songs at the time by Sunscreem, but for the life of me I can't right now remember them at all. This thread really makes me wanna hear them again, though.

It was a good era for italo-house, though I'm far from an expert in that either. Black Box on the popular side, of course, but also Starlight's "Numero Uno" comes to mind right away, plus (I think this is all Italo...) the 49ers and Gino Latino...shit, can't recall much else.

For a great obscurity, too (at least in North America), check Eighth Wonder's excellent "J'ai Pas Peur," a French cover of the Pet Shop Boys "I'm Not Scared" sung by Patsy Kensit.

s woods, Saturday, 15 March 2003 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Endgames "First, Last For Everything" is unavoidable at retronights on Richmond Street, aparently its never was a huge song though.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 15 March 2003 03:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Dune - "I Can't Stop Raving" (can be found in the Blode)

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 15 March 2003 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Ethel Meatplow-"Queenie"

Arthur (Arthur), Saturday, 15 March 2003 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.musicmatic.de/M/Mysteri1.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 March 2003 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

An Army of Lovers thread!

I have only heard "Plage de St. Tropez" but I love it. It's like instant children's dance music. Just add jet trash.

I always feel lost on these dance threads but maybe I can ask here . . . who does the definitive version of "THESE! sounds fall into my mi-yi-yi-ind . . ."? I think mine is Buckethead(?) from a "House of Handbag" mix.

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 15 March 2003 05:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the Bucketheads did the best known version (titled "The Bomb").

some more "forgotten" (?) older dance tunes:
Latour "People Are Still Having Sex"
Bingoboys "How To Dance"
The Adventures Of Stevie V "Dirty Cash"
RFTR "Extrasyn"
JX "You Belong To Me"
Lick "Got To Move Your Body"
Reel 2 Real "I Like To Move It"
Cappella "U Got 2 Know"
Hi Tek 3 "Spin That Wheel"
Plaza "Yo Yo" (was this ever a hit outside of Belgium?)
Hithouse "Move Your Feet To The Rhythm Of The Beat"
Tony Scott "The Chief"
The New Confetti's "The Sound Of C"
Beatmasters "Hey DJ (I Can't Dance To The Music You're Playing"
Twenty 4 Seven "Can't Help Myself"
2 In A Room "Wiggle It"

Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 15 March 2003 05:28 (seventeen years ago) link

yes "The Bomb" by the Bucketheads. the sample is from "street player" by chicago (yes THAT chicago)!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Saturday, 15 March 2003 05:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I lost my virginity to "I Like to Move It"

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 15 March 2003 05:52 (seventeen years ago) link

did he?

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 06:38 (seventeen years ago) link

D'oh!

Siegbran's list reads partially like Dan's ultimate Mix in Heaven.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 March 2003 07:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Jody I am very glad you posted that after my singing it at karaoke.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 15 March 2003 09:14 (seventeen years ago) link

"The Jack That House Built" by Jack N Chill is an unjustly forgotten bit of late-80s DJ house - available for 10p on 7" in most British cities I would guess.

Andy Weatherall is now a well-respected compiler of classic comps like 9 O Clock Drop and Hypercity, but back in 1989 he put his name to a very dodgy but very enjoyable collection of Italo-House called something like Italia! Ph34r the piano overloads.

(It was a very innocent era for dance music when to be identified as 'dance-influenced' all you needed was a house piano breakdown.)

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 15 March 2003 09:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I love piano breakdowns w/all my heart and soul

M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 15 March 2003 10:06 (seventeen years ago) link

hard to classify:

Apollo 440 (Mode-esque synth pop, dodgy Blue Oyster Cult covers, the trancified 'Liquid Cool', glitzy-disco tributes to Gene Krupa, the brilliant Van Halen sampling 'Aint Talkin Bout Dub' then finally abysmal dub/rock/bigbeat bilge and remixes of bloody James' bloody 'Sit Down' - thats the last i heard of them)

Bizarre Inc. - wavy ravers with a triumverate of classic tracks (Such A Feeling, Playing With Knives, Raise Me) - then they went all poppy with I'm Gonna Get Ya, Took My Love, Keep The Music Strong, Surprise - all not too bad in fact. i think one of them went on to make big beat tracks as Sir Drew too...

Psychotropic - one big tune in the shape of 'Hypnosis' - very Balearic '91 vibe, would probably sound a lot better sped up to hard house speed admittedly.

Rollo - with Sister Bliss, these two were titans of mid 90s euphoric dance, rooted in hard house and esp. huge with the gay Trade crowd. anthems like 'Love here I Come', 'Get Off Your High Horse' and 'Let This Be A Prayer' outshine both the likes of Sash! and the likes of Junior Vasquez for the ultra-camp almost evangelical dancefloor rush.

Wamdue Project - aka the elusive Chris Brann - 'King Of My Castle' got remixed into its chart smash incarnation but before that it was a dreamy Balearic house classic of sorts...Roy Malone mix of 'You're The Reason' is also kinda nice.

Triple X 'Feel The Same' - classy filter disco with a heavy pop flavour. Italian i presume? have not heard anything else by them alas...

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I love piano breakdowns w/all my heart and soul

SEARCH the following for house piano action:

Slo-Moshun 'Bells Of NY'
Chubby Chunks 'Testament vol. 1'
FPI Project 'Back To My Roots'
K-Klass 'Rhythm Is A Mystery'
Cool 2 'Kinda Groovy' (and if you find this LET ME KNOW!)
N-Joi 'Anthem'
Jimi Polo 'Better Days' (the track that Congress samples)
Shades Of Rhythm 'Sweet Sensation'
Starlight 'Numero Uno'

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

not many talk about Norman Cook's early 90s ventures in dance music. his Pizzaman tracks were pretty fine tho, search the last Pizzaman single 'Gotta Man' which definitely has a vibe akin to Congress' '40 Miles' - of course Cook would use that piano riff himself on 'Song For Lindy' a bit later. the Mighty Dub Katz stuff was alright (original mix of 'Magic Carpet Ride', the gorgeous 'Just Another Groove' and the fabulous 'Ghetto Girl') - all had that POP element lacking from half the stuff on 'Better Livin Thru Chemistry' which i always thought got a bit tedious in the second half.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Those first two Beats International albums are great!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

whats the second one called? it has that cover of 'In The Ghetto' on it i presume?

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

someone needs to cover 'dirty cash' STAT

zemko (bob), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also time to reconsider THE GRID - "Flotation" especially is epically corny in that inimitable turn-of-90s manner when anything and everything was used to make a song pretty. Chillout is partly their fault but what a tune. (Also chillout now is far less, well, cheesy, and much the worse for that - whalesounds, birdsong, minsy girl voices etc were on every record because they SOUND NICE, bugger off Royksopp and Lemon Jelly and take your 'subtlety' with you) < /dad>

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

(Also chillout now is far less, well, cheesy, and much the worse for that - whalesounds, birdsong, minsy girl voices etc were on every record because they SOUND NICE, bugger off Royksopp and Lemon Jelly and take your 'subtlety' with you)

they got away with it in 1990 but there's no way the knob-twiddlers couldve kept up that kinda of thing throughout the decade - my 'Spiritually Ibiza' compilation from '95 has Grid style tracks (Mental generation's 'Cafe Del Mar', Audio Deluxe's '60 Seconds' and 'real Life' which sampled Bo Rap long before Raven Maize did) but its really just 'hippy shit' right? if still popular today, it wouldve got even more derision than the likes of Royksopp get on this board now.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

there's no way the knob-twiddlers couldve kept up that kinda of thing throughout the decade

William Orbit and his Strange Cargo excepted perhaps

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I love "I Like To Move It Move It". I was at my brothers wedding in the hotel lobby at one stage and they had some bizarre mid 90s mix on, it was all rubbish and then all of a sudden that big ridiculous bassline came on. It's also got a great outro to it which I never knew existed. Erick Morillo may be ashamed of it now but I bet that's where he got the cash to start Subliminal. I would say "I Like To Move It Move It" is secretly trendy so Tom you have outdone the whole FAP as far as I'm concerned.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Morillo is guilty of far greater crimes than the frankly superb 'I Like To move It' tho. all follow up Reel 2 Real singles were inferior (tho i heard the album once and it has a couple of hidden 'interesting' moments from what i remember!), and he did in fact have a hand in the Zig & Zag singles i'm pretty sure. i could be wrong about that but they were so carbon copy of the Reel 2 Real stuff and he was in the UK a lot at that time...

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Did he actually help Zig and Zag????? Surely not!!! "dem girlz dem girlz dey all love me" was the Zig and Zag single, oh my god. It is exactly like Reel 2 Real yeah.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 15 March 2003 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

The 90s were surely the golden age of dance music made by puppets.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

ok, 40 miles is hardly neglectd and gets in to the continuum in the way the shades of rhyhtm and bizarre inc stuff does (ultracynics nothing lasts forever is a better bet for this)

psychotropic - hypnosis had an sl2 rmx stevem which is a stone cold hardcore classic

gareth@marys (Mary), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

i COULD NOT STAND '40 Miles' when it came out - i hated all girly house at that time tho, rrrrr sullen angst boy etc.

ok i heard a cheesy trance-pop track the other day played by Chris Moyles and he said 'that's new from Slipmatt' - what a gwan?

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I mentioned 40 Miles also because it was (I think) the first dance single I ever bought. It came on the radio when I was feeling lonely in some shop or other and I almost cried and knew I had to buy it.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

aw, there's an instrumental version too of course

i was just thinking about DJ Seduction yesterday - i NEED to hear 'Come On' again - i think this got in the Top 40, as did 'Hardcore Heaven' but they do both fall into the hardcore/rave sound that its credible and popular to romanticise currently

i want to know what people think about Apollo 440 stuff still...'Lolita' was their first thing and apparently made an impression on the rave/techno circuit at the time - heard it gareth?

and indeed what about The Grid? seems like they went away for years then 'Swamp Thing' was a massive hit all over Europe and you had 'Rollercoaster' too. now Dave Ball is back in Soft Cell, what about Richard Norris?

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Apollo 440 had links with - or even shared members with - Hoodlum Priest, and there used to be 440 mixes on Hoodlum Priest's later stuff, before 440 got big. My brother has long been keen on Apollo 440 though pretty quickly they came to stand in my mind for all that is wrong in the world.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

J.T. & The Big Family - 'Moments In Soul' (cheeky 'bootleggy' track that pilfered Art Of Noise 'Moments In Love', Soul II Soul's 'Whats Going On?' acapella, O Jays 'For The Love Of Money' guitar riff and more to create something terribly marvellous, or marvellously terrible...they used the old 'Ah yeah!' sample too, erk) - sometimes i think about trying to recreate this track using the same samples...

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

people dont talk about 'crusty rave/dance' either - Eat Static, Banco De Gaia etc.

stevem (blueski), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought this thread was going to be about Tommy Dorsey.

(Jess yr first reply was godlike btw, AoL fans are even harder-core than The Gathering for realz)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 15 March 2003 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

7.1, particularly "Lodestar"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 15 March 2003 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Been going back to those Shamen records recently. "En Tact" was such a cornerstone record for me. I can even take Mr. C in doses (pun fully intended).

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 15 March 2003 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Hip House: an insufficiently explored genre:

Highlights being:

We Don't Exist - The Acid Boyz
I'll House You - The Jungle Brothers
It Takes Two - Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock
Gittin' Funky - Kid n' Play
Stomp - Master Plan

I really hoped Missy Elliot's fantastic "4 My People" would kick start a HipHouse revival... but sadly no.

"Hot in Herrre" by Nelly is kinda Housey, no?

Nik (Nik), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Triple X 'Feel The Same' - classy filter disco with a heavy pop flavour. Italian i presume?

Yes, Italian...

have not heard anything else by them alas...

AFAIK there are no other Triple X originals, but they recently did a great remix of Mundian Te Bach Ke on the Italian 12" release. And their remix of ATC My Heart Beats Like A Drum is amazing in how it transforms the cheesiest of europop into a huge filterfest. And decent remixes of Love Connection The Bomb and Alive Alive.

Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 15 March 2003 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course! That's what I was saying, I get why map would think a Teki mix isn't fun, but to me it's way more fun than 90% of the mixes I hear.

xp

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 12 September 2020 20:16 (one week ago) link

fwiw experimental club is not 100% my thing either but i appreciate your passion for the form jordan and hope you keep posting it to ilx

like i think i found out about the towhead crew / new york dance music comps via your posting and i am thankful

the late great, Saturday, 12 September 2020 20:18 (one week ago) link

<3

And I enjoy slow filling in the giant gaps in my knowledge of '80s/'90s dance music history, since I basically started with IDM and drum & bass and went from there.

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 12 September 2020 20:23 (one week ago) link

I have so much trashy Strictly Rhythm and West End vocal stuff, the one that I used to love dropping was a weird Marty Thomas record 'Resurrect Me'. Can't find the particular mix on YouTube, sadly, but it's a stomper and people used to love it. Nice to match with Underground Ministries or some Bobien to bring the crowd some Jesus for a sec lol

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 12 September 2020 21:45 (one week ago) link

wow this thread had a nice fun revival! i wish i could do a discogs order, like i need more robin s. in my life.

i was a little too harsh abt the teki latex mix it's actually really good. sorry if i've been unnecessarily antagonistic to you jordan.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Saturday, 12 September 2020 22:06 (one week ago) link

I really like that Teki Later mix but it's a very different thing and deliberately so

boxedjoy, Saturday, 12 September 2020 22:44 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cSqRMioRik

brimstead, Sunday, 13 September 2020 03:05 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ct5puqTSi0

Basile Boli and Chris Waddle conquering europe with finanical doping and geordifranglais

saer, Sunday, 13 September 2020 03:27 (one week ago) link

I'd say pretty much all of Rupaul's Supermodel Of The World album but that same as with Basile and Chris might belong more on the regular bobbins thread don't know where the boundaries are or who drew them, probably someone from the government.

saer, Sunday, 13 September 2020 03:51 (one week ago) link

damn this partyboi/kettama set RULES

davey, Sunday, 13 September 2020 04:17 (one week ago) link

the visuals and clothes really sell it

davey, Sunday, 13 September 2020 04:20 (one week ago) link

and partyboi's killer dance moves ofc

davey, Sunday, 13 September 2020 04:24 (one week ago) link

I suppose the premise of the thread less about what is and isn't 'tasteful' and more about what gets written out of narratives (and narratives are constantly rewritten in any case).

I thought about Fluke the other day for the first time in years, who had some pretty big tracks in the 90s that no one gives a shit about these days (one Bjork remix aside).

Matt DC, Sunday, 13 September 2020 10:24 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arnm0FoT1qE

It's Sam Riney from 1988 and its a trip down vibing avenue

saer, Sunday, 13 September 2020 15:37 (one week ago) link

xp you know on a similar note i was thinking abt audio bullys and a lot of middling stuff the music press tried to push in the late 90s ... whatever happened to the audio bullys?!? were they as "big" as fluke or was that just a trick mixmag perpetrated on us?

the late great, Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:06 (one week ago) link

I think as dance music has lost its roots in gay and minority communities and become more mainstream, more heterosexual, more sanitised, a lot of this stuff has been consigned to being untrendy because of how it codes

boxedjoy, Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:36 (one week ago) link

Like the 18 yr old me who had to fight to drag his indie pals to electrohouse nights in 2006 would never have imagined that 2020 would be filled with bros loving business techno

boxedjoy, Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:39 (one week ago) link

And that shows in the dance music that's popular now I think - divas and disco are out, big basslines and trance influences are in

boxedjoy, Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:40 (one week ago) link

(Excuse my disjointed thoughts I'm very hungover atm)

boxedjoy, Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:41 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR67KcD1C8s

i know tim f reps for that

― the late great, Saturday, 12 September 2020 19:41 (yesterday) link

One big bad boy of a record.

Octo Octa draws for it a bit too, though I first discovered it over two decades on The Dreem Teem's In Session Vol. II mix (still one of the best DJ mixes ever).

Tim F, Sunday, 13 September 2020 23:49 (one week ago) link

I think as dance music has lost its roots in gay and minority communities and become more mainstream, more heterosexual, more sanitised, a lot of this stuff has been consigned to being untrendy because of how it codes

― boxedjoy, Sunday, 13 September 2020 16:36 (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't really agree with this TBH. I think that historical narratives tend to treat the queer / minority dance scenes very well and downplay the more widespread / white / hetero / basic karen sounds. The issue with minority marginalisation is that the narratives are always playing catch up, e.g. people genuflecting at the alter of "black london" but they always mean historical scenes and not whatever might be going on right now.

Like I've been talking with brad and deej a bit about prog house stuff like sasha & digweed and the drum club and hardkiss etc. And I remember that simon reynolds had a line maybe in the early 00s about how there was "now" (i.e. then, but this anecdote probably holds true) a hot market for old obscure 'ardkore releases but no one cares about the drum club, and he meant that as a dismissal of the drum club but it's actually part of this broader historical trend. It's often the whitebre(a)d stuff that was big contemporaneously but doesn't get to the level of "transcending" club music (your Orbitals or Underworlds for example) who end up with surprisingly low historical profiles.

It's interesting to try to predict whether, say, Bicep will be remembered in twenty years time or if people will be like 'lol what's a bicep'. I suspect the answer to that doesn't have much to do with the quality of the music either way.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 September 2020 23:58 (one week ago) link

you know who cares abt hardkiss and drum club?!?

;)

the late great, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:01 (one week ago) link

Me obviously!

Tim F, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:03 (one week ago) link

i saw digweed a few years ago and the gen xers i was with were entranced but i thought it was garbage lol

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 14 September 2020 00:08 (one week ago) link

there's prog house i like and prog house i hate i guess

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 14 September 2020 00:09 (one week ago) link

I think one take that has for the most part been very critically popular for the last two decades is along the lines of "dance music shouldn't be about middle-class people getting all PLUR in expensive sneakers at a superclub, it should be dirty and nasty in an underground club with the lights off".

In certain contexts that can be a useful corrective - and I remember when I was first getting into dance music in a big way the relative dominance of the Gatecrasher to Global Underground continuum felt vaguely oppressive - but I think there's a risk of applying it too reflexively and ahistorically.

Tim F, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:15 (one week ago) link

one of the best moments of my life was when i was completely losing my paranoid shit at a rave in LA because of all the lights and assholes taking cellphone selfies and then omar s came on the decks and made them turn off every single light in the hosue except for one purple bulb just behind his feet that was pointed out and at the floor, casting the warehouse into near pitch black darkness and outlining our legs in an eerie eldritch glow <3

the late great, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:41 (one week ago) link

i was about to reflexively start stabbing motherfuckers who didn't have the decency to let me get out of the way before snapping their dumb group photos. in the middle of a rave! jfc

the late great, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:43 (one week ago) link

i mean that wasn't the only reason i was paranoid ... but it was the only one omar could control ... :-/

the late great, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:43 (one week ago) link

oh i already told that story lol ... Omar-S / FXHE

the late great, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:46 (one week ago) link

that was the last rave i ever went to ... 39 is too old and crusty to be paranoid at a rave ... let alone 43 ...

the late great, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:49 (one week ago) link

sorry for reverie

the late great, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:49 (one week ago) link

that was the last rave i ever went to ... 39 is too old and crusty to be paranoid at a rave ... let alone 43 ...

― the late great, Monday, 14 September 2020 00:49 (fifty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm now imagining this whole story as a monologue delivered over an eerie deep house tune a la Marshall Jefferson vs Noosa Heads - "Mushrooms (Salt City Orchestra Remix)".

Tim F, Monday, 14 September 2020 01:45 (one week ago) link

haaaaaaa

the late great, Monday, 14 September 2020 01:48 (one week ago) link

i saw digweed a few years ago and the gen xers i was with were entranced but i thought it was garbage lol

― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 14 September 2020 00:08 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

My unverified sense is that there's a limited window period where s & d were crossed over into Hardkiss sounds - I vaguely remember reading an interview with them where they talked about having their minds blown visiting Florida and hearing Rabbit In The Moon (who were initially associated with the Hardkiss label).

First disc of Northern Exposure 1 is probably the most well-known example of that but it's actually too floaty. My favourite thing that they did is the first disc of Northern Exposure II (which lol is literally called "East Coast") - scintillating melodic breakbeat prog.

But that window closed pretty quickly as the whole global prog sound had really hardened by the end of the 1990s (though haha I guess the contemporary circuit party sound makes late 90s prog sound pretty creative and diverse by comparison).

Tim F, Monday, 14 September 2020 02:07 (one week ago) link

oooh love this thread for a few reasons ... not to jinx it. some old ilx vibes to it or something.

ive been listening to a lot of stuff that i'm not sure how it codes on the respectability scale ... from the early 90s, a lot of it italian? Dance Floor Corporation stuff. It'll seem like total cheeseball stuff, IE this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIuXc3e8pK0
Ramirez - El Gallinero

but I'm not sure if Balearic revival made it cool or not ... early 90s to mid 90s trance and ... idk these weird italian compilations on streaming services under the label/distro name "Expanded Music Srl" and if you look at their office on google street view it appears to be a gas station in italy. sometimes the comp will have, like, sueno latino on it, and im like oh this is celebrated shit, and then other times its got the sound effect of a rooster crowing, or it has afrika bambaataa on it ... why was afrika bambaataa like insanely popular in early 90s Italy? I told Tim & Brad this story, but I remember my first year at college having a T1 connection for the first time and downloading a ton of music on Audiogalaxy or whatever, and trying to learn about old school hip hop I downloaded the first Afrika Bambaataa mp3 that popped up, Feel the Vibe. I remember being really confused.

Anyway the Expanded Music Srl website has a funny collection of weird dodgy comps with weird art with names like "90s summer party" and "Mantra House Vol. 3" etc... I think there's some pretty decent cheese in here that also occasionally kind of beautiful or moving:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URwq1rq9fJE

But again i'm consuming this stuff at a remove, its place on the respect > cheese spectrum is tough for me to judge, and the rising tide of balearic probably made a lot of this stuff seem cooler, or maybe its too late on the timeline to totally get the effects of the mid 80s stuff?

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 14 September 2020 08:30 (one week ago) link

another mid 90s dance music thing, along the lines of what map was talking about when he mentioned reggaeton ... i think angolan kuduro has some cool shit that should get a revival of interest, imho ... Bruno Castro's "No Fear" CD is from 1996 but it has some rad unique grooves to it, on streaming services you can check out this comp Ondas Do Kuduro which has some of the 90s classics like "Sofia" "Acucar" "Pra Ka Ta" "Parodia Tribal" all of which were on No Fear

https://http2.mlstatic.com/D_NQ_NP_22912-MLB20239451450_022015-O.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcYbnz0ke-s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfTFB6PYRYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRuc5ifBkjY

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 14 September 2020 08:36 (one week ago) link

I suppose there's two different conversations - there's the dance music we talk about in the magazines and websites *we* read, where people like Jayda G and Octo Octa are celebrated for playing a certain way, and then there's the actuality of going out, which is that the biggest names on the biggest line-ups etc are people playing muscular tech-house.

Also Tim F please invite me to this secret prog listening club as it is a total blindspot in my tastes

boxedjoy, Monday, 14 September 2020 09:29 (one week ago) link

http://finn-johannsen.de/2018/06/11/finn-johannsen-twin-cities-no-11/

this mix is something I've come back to a few times over the past few years - it's that soulful, r&b/gospel influenced style of house, funky rather than banging, Frankie Knuckles remixing Toni Braxton and Whitney Houston, late period Masters At Work, the kind of thing you find on CD2 of the lesser Hed Kandi albums. I love this stuff but it's very not cool, at least not just now

boxedjoy, Monday, 14 September 2020 09:35 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9UHcRrCWlI

Tell the world my name, whos that? Andy Cole
I blazed the scene, scored the goal

Lot of releases on smaller labels Fulham, Blackburn, and the long defunct Sunderland, but the more popular Old Trafford stuff probably the best

saer, Monday, 14 September 2020 11:02 (one week ago) link

i completely lost my shit when the 3d animated rooster enters the mix and starts crowing in that El Gallinero track, it is hilarious. and that Ella G track is some cheesy goodness and beautiful too. it's in a very postmodern sweet spot (intentionally?) collapsing low/high & sacred/profane.

stuff like this reminds me of PC Music. like if you just run with it (and you can handle it) you might encounter some divine ineffable state of cheesy bliss... idk if that's a stretch but lots of pop coming out lately pushes the limits of taste the same way, ya? bladee comes to mind. very 2020 but maybe it'll sound just as cornball when we look back in another 25 years. i wonder if artists fucking around making this kind of extreme cheesecore are more or less self aware now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

davey, Monday, 14 September 2020 12:24 (one week ago) link

yea this andy cole track does the same thing! some flavors of cheesiness will put u in a beatific state

davey, Monday, 14 September 2020 12:28 (one week ago) link

Idk abt pc music I’ve been skeptical but i feel like I might have “lost” that battle? But bladee doesn’t seem cheesy to me it seems like ppl just think it’s cool stuff trying to seem cheese but lacks the go-for-broke mercenary thirst for success or s thing

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 04:27 (one week ago) link

yea, prolly right about bladee and all that.

getting back on track, i’d been looking for a place to post this Paradis record Recto Verso. (was there a thread for underappreciated indie pop albums? i thought there was but couldn’t find it.) it’s a great album that went very much under the radar, but somehow it’s the now most valuable thing in my vinyl collection. also it’s rather proggy, and i too would be interested in the prog listening club

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9NnukHxmzY

davey, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:59 (five days ago) link

D-40, but I think there is a kuduro revival happening through a lot of Nyege Nyege and Principe stuff, but much of what I've heard of it is being put into the more "post-reconstructed" genre. https://soundcloud.com/nyege-nyege-tapes/dj-chengz-lucian-kuduros-mix-tape-side-a

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 20 September 2020 13:44 (two days ago) link

Breastcrawl might have a better idea of that sort of thing, tho!

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 20 September 2020 13:44 (two days ago) link

I was literally just listening to this banger when I read this, updating myself on some recent Angolan stuff for the first time in months:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXpXq5rxKdA
New Kiss ft. Leo Hummer & DJ Vlado Poster • Abre o Pé

Kuduro is alive and kicking ass, but confusingly they call it not just that in Angola, but also “Afro-House”. I’ve been posting this stuff on the Rolling Afro thread since I found about “Sem Maldades” by Os Santiegos in 2018.
Both the music and the dancing are incredibly high-octane and fun as hell. I tend to have a couple of days every year when this bug bites me and I feel like this is the best music in the world. Producer DJ Vado Poster is pretty much a genius. brb posting some of this shit on Rolling Afro!

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Sunday, 20 September 2020 15:02 (two days ago) link

it’s DJ *Vado* Poster, sorry

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Sunday, 20 September 2020 15:10 (two days ago) link

Yah I’ve been keeping up w new Angolan stuff too I’m really into this song:

https://youtu.be/NVkpPRu77Js
Dj Malvado - amingas

But I never see ppl call it kuduro for some reason

I think of principe etc as a different thing since it’s not really based in Angola and they themselves seem not to call it that idk

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:43 (two days ago) link

that’s exactly why that “Afro-House” moniker is so confusing: DJ Malvado comes at this from the house side of things, so “Afro house” is a very apt description for what he does, even if he incorporates kuduro/batida into his sound like in this track, whereas the stuff I’m talking about (including this and the other tracks I’ve been posting) does this the other way around (note the name of the YouTube channel the track I posted is on!) - the format is 3-minute beat-heavy joints with chanted lyrics (maybe the latter aspect is what makes it ‘kuduro’?)

You could make a comparison with Nigerian zanku (which came up later), where the beats were (initially) processed from Uhuru-style SA house and (later) gqom, but which otherwise stuck to the Naija pop template.

(btw I don’t mean to imply that these are two different musical worlds at all: Malvado and Vado Poster have worked together on several occasions for instance)

this ~tries~ to explain it (couldn’t find anything better tbqh): http://kizombalove.com/en/kuduro-versus-afro-house/

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Sunday, 20 September 2020 20:37 (two days ago) link


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