Arguements for Hugh Hefner to be considered the world's first true male feminist

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*Has launched the careers of many women
*Due to his genuine charisma and niceness manages to still pull women about 60 years his junior
*Seems to genuinely enjoy the company of women over men
*Is associated with women rather than men
*Pays women a good wage
*Allows women to show their sexy side
*Is pals with many respected famous women
*His publication influenced Cosmopolitan

Who agrees? Hef is the ultra-feminist!!!!

Calum, Thursday, 13 March 2003 09:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Not only is he the ultra-feminist, he's my idol! The guy is a freakin' GOD!

Davlo (Davlo), Thursday, 13 March 2003 14:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

[As a mod I advise you to take this to ile]

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 March 2003 15:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

you forgot one calum,
*because men know more about everything in the world than women do, including and especially feminism.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 13 March 2003 21:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks Di,
Don't know how that one slipped my mind.

Calum Robert, Friday, 14 March 2003 07:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
phlar

phlar, Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

From the days when A Certain Someone was less squeamish, I see.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's like watching the pilot episode of your favourite show, innit?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Edits were rougher, the persona not yet a catchphrase...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

haha

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 23 April 2005 22:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

thirteen years pass...

featured two transgendered models in playboy - which is pretty fucking awesome

im not sure how people reflect on him now on ilx, but he has done many things to combat racism, defend abortion rights for women and given models places to live (and many have stated he has never hit on him). save the ire for weinstein imo

Ross, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 17:27 (two months ago) Permalink

hit on them*

Ross, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 17:27 (two months ago) Permalink

this should be in ILE

Ross, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 17:28 (two months ago) Permalink

There was a Playboy record label and the after dark concerts so we can maybe talk about those in here if it makes more sense in ILM.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/sep/28/hugh-hefner-playboy-founder-91-dark-side

For a smear article on him it’s surprising how most of those are mild indirect accusations. For a man surrounded by sex and scandals most of his life I mean. Those all sound tame in comparison to what has been uncovered in the entertainment industry in the past years.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 18:00 (two months ago) Permalink

I wouldn’t go as far as call him a feminist but it can be argued that Playboy did indeed help normalize and transiition into the sexual freedom revolution from the 60’s onwards, taking down taboos along the way and it was somewhat progressive at the time.

I don’t know how much Hefner contributed to it but in general it looks like he wasn’t a creep (or not nearly enough as someone in his position would be expected to be) and he never compromised his vision of this elegant, bachelor magazine even when sales were affected for the less classy porn magazines. I mean regardless of the nudes they actually had some interesting articles and its ambitions went beyond porn.

Playboy seems almost artistic compared to the rest, I guess that’s why way into the 21st century, being a playmate was not seen with bad eyes and some celebrities didn’t think too much about getting nude for the magazine.

Speaking of ambitions beyond porn and getting back into ILM territory Here’s the wiki on the record label:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playboy_Records

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 18:16 (two months ago) Permalink

moka otm really.

Ross, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 22:26 (two months ago) Permalink

the articles are like 70 percent of the magazine, and they are very liberal and anti trump and the one thing i like about playboy is it respects the inherent intelligence of women - women fucking rule, not just surface level beauty but god damn beautiful minds

Ross, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 22:30 (two months ago) Permalink

hugh hefner isn't editing present day playboy from beyond the grave btw

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 23:38 (two months ago) Permalink

all these posts since the revive, apart from my brilliant ones, are among the dumbest things on ilm, which is saying something

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 23:40 (two months ago) Permalink

What was even the impetus for the thread revival
I mean I share Ross’ taste in Viceland shows so I don’t want to rag on him but was he just, like, really feeling Playboy atm and decided to see what ILX had to say on the subject

You're all losing so many points on your progress bars (Champiness), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 23:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Hugh Hefner helped mainstream pornography, albeit in a very light form, and I’m not sure that’s been good for the culture in the long run

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 11 October 2018 00:28 (one month ago) Permalink

He commodifed the sexual revolution more than he promoted it. The vision of sexuality his magazine promoted wasn’t really egalitarian

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 11 October 2018 00:28 (one month ago) Permalink

phlar

marcos, Thursday, 11 October 2018 01:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Idk what that meansssss

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 11 October 2018 01:11 (one month ago) Permalink

preciado's /pornotopia/ is a valuable contemporary critique of hef, and would have been good to hurl at calum's dumb OP here. but i already hyped it up in this more viable hefner thread: Does anyone know how one goes about embarking on a career as "Hugh Hefner"?

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 October 2018 12:44 (one month ago) Permalink

to me hef is really a rolling maleness/masculinity avatar. playboy was about a certain image of the cultured and sophisticated man - i don't even know if it was a false image, hef might well have been like that, but playboy certainly perpetuated the lie that most men are like that, and that very airbrushed, glamorous take on sexuality. i don't think all male sexuality is hustler sexuality, meat-grinder porn or whatever, but in 2018 the playboy approach strikes me as a bit of a blind alley; i find the present "customs"-based porn subculture far more interesting.

dub pilates (rushomancy), Thursday, 11 October 2018 13:53 (one month ago) Permalink


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