Digital Underground: C/D?

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I bet everyone here says "first album excellent, the rest is shit". Prove me wrong!

Unique production style, goofy characters, some of the most entertaining hip-hop record sleeves ever - groups with a unified aesthetic always appeal to me, and I've always thought they really were as close to a hip-hop P-Funk, w/Shock G as Clinton (Humpty = Bootsy, obvy), as could be... no one seems to care about their more recent albums but me - "Future Rhythym" in particular is excellent - and even when they're slack they come through with a couple tunes that are funny and incredibly funky, always with some out-there production touches. Shock G's smart, funny, crude, and righteous - the classic funk frontman.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

body hat syndrome had it's moments, if I remember right - and the new Murs joint "Risky Business" with Shock / Humpty is the shit!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Second album destroys the first album utterly! And "The Return of the Crazy One" on the third album is more classic than anything on either of those first two (except for maybe "Good Thing We're Rappin'," one of my favorite rap choons EVAH). Shock G's contribution to Tupac's "I Get Around" exemplifies so much that's great about him: "conscious" attitude without the irritating trappings of doctrine, clever rhyming that instead of blinding with bluster lets the listener ease into its rhythms, a really sure authorial voice coupled with something very like humility...

...I loved the Digital Underground, I was sad that they kinda lost the plot. Certainly "The Humpty Dance" is one of the finest singles of all time, no?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Humpty is on a new rekkid? Details please!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

the Body Hat Syndrome has a great comic book and about half-a-dozen too many songs ("Wussup wit the Luv?" = wussup with tha bullshit!). But it did have the great single "Return of the Crazy One", plus the whole "Jerkit Circus" suite which never fails to make me smile.

"the new Murs joint "Risky Business" with Shock / Humpty is the shit!"

Buh? What is this and where can I get it!!

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah - Murs "The End of the Beginning" - on Def Jux - there is track called Risky Business that is really, really great. Shock (aka Humpty) rips it - download at once! you'll love it

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Gotta love Sex Packets, but I'll defend "Same Song" and "No Nose Job" (from the otherwise seemingly forgotten Sons of the P album) as well!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"No Nose Job" is so, so classic...the video too, with Humpty addressing the frenzied media ("There'll be no nose job!") and the lyrics stating the case both for their own point and for the style of rap they represent:

a young girl sees you on the TV show
she's only six. She says, "Momma, I don't like my nose!"
Now why'd you have to go and mess up the child's head?
So you could buy another gold waterbed?
You fake-hair, contact-wearin', liposuction article [?] exhibit
Listen to my rhyme, you need to hear it

Doh-dee-oh-doh, there'll be no nose job
I said doh-dee-oh-doh no nose job

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:03 (eighteen years ago) link

if only he were real.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I believe it's "carnival exhibit", J0hn.

Funny story about "Good Thing That We're Rappin'" (I love it as well) - there was a "Free Mumia" rally in Dolores Park a couple years ago and the DU were supposed to be the headliners. They came out (late of course) did a couple songs, the hits, and then they slowed it down and Shock launched into "Good Thing..." and the crowd response was decidedly tepid. One guy changed his sign to read "Mysogynistic lyrics will not free Mumia!" That made me laugh for days, it was just some old hippy who totally missed the point of the song... anyway, Shock stopped after a verse or two, said "that was more of some late-night kinda shit" and then did that Luniz song "I Got 5 On It". Alas, this is the only live performance of the DU I've ever seen - although I did get to meet Shock once when he showed up at an Aceyalone show and did some keyboard-cameo shit (he's an amazing organist/piano player). Nice guy - he asked me what time it was and by pure coincidence I had a copy of "Future Rhythym" on me, which I had just bought that day, so I eagerly whipped it out for an autograph.

Okay, groupie story OVER!

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:09 (eighteen years ago) link

if only he were real

But that's part of what makes DU so incredibly interesting and great -- Humpty is real! He's part of Shock G: maybe an idealized part, maybe a radical reimagining of the Id insofar as he's an Id with a conscience i.e. Humpty is usually called in to talk about the booty and whatnot, but is always extremely good-natured. I honestly can't think of a more canny use of the alter ego in pop music, period.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

carnival exhibit = years of wondering solved hurrah!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link

and one more thing: "Good Thing We're Rappin'" is so so so not misogynistic...the clueless have inherited the earth, if they were not in fact its original owners

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm assuming people have seen this: http://www.shockg.com. One of the best hip-hop websites ever - check out all the cartoons, the dictionary, so many goodies.

Shock/Humpty = Outkast's "poet/player"?

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm assuming people have seen this: http://www.shockg.com. One of the best hip-hop websites ever - check out all the cartoons, the dictionary, so many goodies.

Shock/Humpty = Outkast's "poet/player"?

J0hn: I went around for weeks afterwards saying "[annoying thing] will not free Mumia!" I coulda argued w/said sign-holder but what woulda been the point...

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

guys picking nits on my "influence vs. relevance" thread will not free Mumia!

shock G's site looks amazing, i wish my connection speed were higher :(

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link

although his "tips for backstage" is pretty large-headed and icky

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't seen that part yet - too busy with the free downloads and the "asshole" jokes...

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Freaks of the Industry used to be played on KMEL in the bay area all the time. Probably still is. Man I love that song.

I love how he gives options AB and C and then always picks D so its like a song full of trick questions and booty.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 05:18 (eighteen years ago) link

the first two, obviously. bits of body-hat (hey! I like wassup with the luv...tupac as gay icon) and i was stoned when i last listened to future rhythm and thought it was an overlooked killa too.
styletron is pretty good (throw ya hands in the air) but that second raw fusion disc sUx.

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 09:38 (eighteen years ago) link

'same song' is my favourite - lovely pads!

michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Derrr-reeeeeer durrrr-RIT

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

what no mention of "dowhatyoulike"? this has now been resolved and... Classic!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i hung out with humpty/shock g recently backstage of a pfunk show drinkin and smokin trees and i told him my name was chaki and he said he liked that and did a rap about chaki!

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

wow - congrats Chaki, that's sweet!

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

where was this show btw? I am eagerly awaiting P-Funk's return to the Bay Area, it's been a couple years since I saw them last.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Bumping this cuz no one big-upped "Freaks of the Industry." What a wonderful song...I love the piano solo at the end. Hilarious.

Also, I am "The one who put the satin on yr panties." I Get Around is classic as well obv.

djdee2005, Monday, 19 April 2004 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

The piano solo in "Doowutchyalike" is the GREATEST SOLO EVER.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 19 April 2004 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Best usage of live piano (i.e. not sampled) in Hip Hop EVER!

They really were fucking great..

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 19 April 2004 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

"The Piano Man" = Shock G. I've seen him do the keys thing live and he's really got the chops, he learned Bernie Worrell's lessons well.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 19 April 2004 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Incidentally, if anybody out there knows how to play that solo on the piano, PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH ME IMMEDIATELY!!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

five years pass...

nice streatteam there bud

http://www.pr-inside.com/money-b-of-the-digital-underground-releases-r1432263.htm

or: money isnt everything, shakey

disgusting ass co-op (tremendoid), Saturday, 22 August 2009 01:34 (eleven years ago) link

Underwater Rimes was recorded when Shock was still in Tampa, I believe.

And 2 Live Crew were still in Cali.

Both groups M&D'd by Macola.

Then they swapped states/legacies.

Flea Kuti (PappaWheelie V), Saturday, 22 August 2009 02:11 (eleven years ago) link

I've only heard Sex Packets and whatever singles got played on Sirius 43 Backspin when that channel existed.. Based on this I don't see how they're anything but classic.

billstevejim, Saturday, 22 August 2009 03:30 (eleven years ago) link

I miss the radio edit which censored non-swears: I once got busy in a***********bathroom I'm crazy allow me to amaze me they say I'm ugly but it just don't phase me I'm still getting in the*BARKBARK*and I even got my own dance

billstevejim, Monday, 24 August 2009 14:32 (eleven years ago) link

on good days, "Kiss You Back" is the best single of the 90s

Merzbox and whale songs (The Reverend), Monday, 24 August 2009 15:17 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

So can anybody explain to me why the cassette version of Sex Packets is different/better than the CD/Vinyl.

MaresNest, Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:39 (ten years ago) link

dj harvey opened w/ some awesome house mix of 'doowatchulike' last nite lol

timbo slice (D-40), Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:40 (ten years ago) link

Reason I'm asking is I came across a torrent of it today and it piqued my curiosity, here are the notes.

- Sex Packets Pro Cassette Transfer Version -

"There is only one version of this classic - the cassette version.
For this I bought an unopened tape and sent it to a pro transfer and mastering service to record it to cd. If they aren't gonna release it, I'm gonna give it away. This IS the version you memorized back in 1990 (if you're my age) if not do your homework son because this is the shit."

MaresNest, Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:56 (ten years ago) link

maybe it has the og 'freaks of the industry' or something? the freaks 12" i have has both the cd one & one that heavily samples the first part of 'love hangover'

timbo slice (D-40), Saturday, 2 April 2011 20:58 (ten years ago) link

Dropping this off the CD was criminal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pw5OdbMuwU

I assume it was for running time. Could you put 80 minutes on a cd in 1989? Shame it hasn't been rectified, but deluxe remasters are still rare in hip hop.

The other dropped cuts are "Sound of the Underground" and "Tribute to the Early Days"

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 2 April 2011 21:01 (ten years ago) link

Yep Yep, appears to have 3 extra tracks and and unedited version of 'Gutfest 89'

MaresNest, Saturday, 2 April 2011 21:03 (ten years ago) link

From an Amazon review:

This CD does not contain all of the songs from the original album.

Another reviewer mentioned that the original casette of Sex Packets had three extra songs and a full version of "Gutfest." Well, if you just want "The Humpty Dance" then this CD is fine. But know that if you're getting this current version of Sex Packets, you aren't getting the real thing. Some of the songs missing are fantastic and superior to some of the tracks which do remain on the CD. Also, the missing complete 8 minute version of "Gutfest" explains more about its concept in fuller scope and allows the groove to set in better - it was a funky highlight on the cassette issue, but here it seems irrelevant and awkward.

If I'd realized the CD was missing the original songs and sequencing, I wouldn't have paid for it, I would have just downloaded the tracks. I advise you to do the same, and wait for someone to acquire Tommy Boy=(now defunt)'s original version to reissue as the whole album in its entirety.

That said, "Humpty Dance" is one of the funniest, wittiest songs ever, as well as extremely funky. "Dowutchalike" is equally funky.

The "Sex Packets" theme of the rest of the album is okay, a kind of juvenile attempt at creating a George Clinton-like concept, but overall it's just sort of silly, unexceptional joke and nothing more. And not until the bouncy "Packet Man," built around a Fred Wesley sample, does the concept really do anything musically entertaining, making it all worthwhile.

Several songs are missing from the mix, as I've said. I remember one called "Hip Hop Doll" and my one of personal favorites "Tribute to the Early Days."

As it stands, 4 stars. But the complete version of the original cassette tape, if you ever can find it, is worth 5.

MaresNest, Saturday, 2 April 2011 21:06 (ten years ago) link

yeah, the LP didn't have all the cassette tracks either (or even a short version of Gutfest), I didn't hear them until a few years ago off some mp3 blog. bless you, some mp3 blog

Neo Tony (sic), Sunday, 3 April 2011 00:33 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

Excellent synopsis of The Humpty Dance here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpty_Dance

The classic Regulate synopsis was taken down last autumn, inspiring this excellent retort: "Active banana is a humorless idiot and should stop ruining funny, informative articles in non-serious subjects. Getting laid/smoking marijuana might also ease his anal-retentive tendencies." Wikipedia got beef.

Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 09:46 (nine years ago) link

Despite the fact Mr. Hump is by most standards not a very attractive man he still manages to find himself in situations where women allow him to rummage around in their trousers

lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 17:33 (nine years ago) link

sex packets (cassette version) has finished downloading

And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:26 (nine years ago) link

Sex Packets was MASSIVE for me - that (and the Groove is In The Heart video) got 15 year old me obsessed with trying to track down and actually hear George Clinton and Bootsy Collins records which was next to impossible in my super white middle-of-nowhere town in 1990. Underwater Rimes was a classic 'get stoned with my cousin and listen to music' track, and Humpty Dance is easily a top ten hip-hop track for me. I'll never see a Burger King and not immediately get it stuck in my head.

One of my favorite bits was a documentary on copyright and sampling that was on PBS a while ago - Steve Albini was in it bitching about sampling being lazy and not being art or music and how people who can't play music do it to steal from actual musicians, then they cut to a clip of Shock G playing the keyboards and talking about how shitty it is when painters think photographers aren't artists.

joygoat, Friday, 23 April 2021 12:35 (two weeks ago) link

finally listened to sex packets and sons of p last year when i was listening to a lot of tupac.... really amazing records. this sucks

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 23 April 2021 13:11 (two weeks ago) link

This sucks. "Kiss You Back" was one of the first songs I ever taped off the radio. Somebody needs to release "Nothing But Trouble" on Blu-Ray ASAP.

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Friday, 23 April 2021 13:18 (two weeks ago) link

I got cassettes of Sex Packets and Public Enemy's Fear of a Black Planet in the same batch of 13 (or whatever it was) cassettes from columbia house when I was 12-13. I listened to those two albums over and over again. They were my first musical obsession.

silverfish, Friday, 23 April 2021 13:37 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah same. Digital Underground were my favourite group when I was 10/11. I used to tape songs off the radio and turn them into mixtapes... "Same Song" and "Do You Really Want Me?" were mainstays

zaddy’s home (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 23 April 2021 13:44 (two weeks ago) link

I love the use of Herbie Hancock here. Tupac on fire too imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mx3feZLF8

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:17 (two weeks ago) link

Was seeing twitter praise for his contributions to Tupac record. I need to dig into that.

curmudgeon, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:31 (two weeks ago) link

He produced the best 2pac song: so many tears

i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Friday, 23 April 2021 14:35 (two weeks ago) link

and the other best 2pac song "fuck the world"

voodoo chili, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:37 (two weeks ago) link

just kidding

voodoo chili, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:38 (two weeks ago) link

it is pretty good beyond that first verse tho

voodoo chili, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:38 (two weeks ago) link

Damn. Fiona Apple just hit & told me this cool story about her pushing a cart in the Home Depot parking lot, & saw Shock G (97) & both were mutual fans (DU was her 1st rap purchase/He would spin “Never Is A Promise”at gigs) they would email/exchange lyrics to each other. 😥

— B.R.O.theR. ?uestion (@questlove) April 23, 2021

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 April 2021 15:06 (two weeks ago) link

Shock G was part of the era to me as a child that rap stars were more like super heroes. It holds a dear place in my heart. The way it was packaged, introduced , & the way imagination/aliases/characters were valued. We lost that later on in the game. Rest In Peace Legend.

— Statik Selektah (@StatikSelekt) April 23, 2021

candyman, Friday, 23 April 2021 15:45 (two weeks ago) link

RIP, Sex Packets was such a key album for me and my friends back in the early years of high school. The sense of humor and playfulness was really key and kept us coming back. For all the rappers and producers that were sampling P-Funk back then, I can only think of a handful that were as good at these guys at capturing the essence of Clinton's world-building and playfully inhabiting characters.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 23 April 2021 15:50 (two weeks ago) link

statik selektah and jvc2.0 both otm

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 April 2021 15:53 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcEM8b7lnNE

voodoo chili, Friday, 23 April 2021 16:12 (two weeks ago) link

"Can only think of a handful that were as good at these guys at capturing the essence of Clinton's world-building and playfully inhabiting characters."

Yup. Tbh he was just fun AF. His songs and imagination just brought me lots if happiness as a teenager. And still do actually. I need more ppl like that.

candyman, Friday, 23 April 2021 17:28 (two weeks ago) link

It's weird how all the p-funk stuff seemed like ancient mystical history when that record came out but 'aquaboogie' was released only 12 years before 'underwater rimes'

Like some indie band now coming out now and honoring the long forgotten GAPDY history of 2009.

joygoat, Friday, 23 April 2021 17:51 (two weeks ago) link

It's true, but there was nowhere to find this music. I remember reading about Maggot Brain and other Funkadelic records sometime in the mid 80s, and it might as well have been describing something in King Tut's tomb.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 23 April 2021 17:58 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, I remember reading about Clinton, Parliament and Funkadelic as reference points, but (especially in central Illinois) there wasn't a lot of opportunity to actually hear it. My first big exposure was, sadly, 1994's PCU after which I went out and picked up this, which was literally the only P-Funk the campus store had at the time:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51AVeIKajEL.jpg

So, I came to Digital Underground several years before I came to Parliament/Funkadelic, but both gave me a really similar sense of playful exploration and just starting to crack into wholly imagined worlds.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 23 April 2021 18:03 (two weeks ago) link

yep that's the only one i ever remember seeing

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 April 2021 18:03 (two weeks ago) link

yeah that's the one I eventually got from bmg or columbia house

joygoat, Friday, 23 April 2021 18:06 (two weeks ago) link

Now this is a thread

I once went to Rakim’s house, and on his studio wall, he had an amazing poster-sized cartoon of himself on top of a giant cement block, crushing all the other MC’s beneath it. At the top, it said “The Master Poet.”

When I looked closer, I couldn’t believe my eyes. #ShockG pic.twitter.com/YWkCLJXJuz

— J.PERIOD (@jperiodBK) April 23, 2021

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 April 2021 18:25 (two weeks ago) link

Friend of mine is a rare book and record dealer. Many years ago he found what appears to be a Digital Underground demo tape. D/l available here

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 23 April 2021 20:01 (two weeks ago) link

an absolutely huge figure. just about as underrated, as well. literally the man who put 2pac on.

rest in p.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 23 April 2021 20:34 (two weeks ago) link

I said it already but while its great that shock g introduced Tupac, saafirs first album (saafir debuted on body hat syndrome) is one of the great underground/leftfield/weird/experimental rap albums of the 90s. Admittedly not heard it in at least 20 years but I'm sure it's still good.

candyman, Friday, 23 April 2021 20:35 (two weeks ago) link

this demo tape is fascinating, thanks!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 April 2021 20:35 (two weeks ago) link

My pleasure! Friend has a lot of gems.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 23 April 2021 21:51 (two weeks ago) link

I love the song where it was clearly like "we need to make a Tone Loc song"

shades of Girl I'll House You by the Jungle Brothers in another one

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 April 2021 22:58 (two weeks ago) link

Huh, I don't really remember P-Funk being particularly obscure or hard to find when "Sex Packets" came out. Was it? Who was the first to sample P-Funk? De La did it pretty prominently in '89. EPMD was around the same time. MC Hammer was a bit earlier, right? "Groove Is in the Heart," iirc I knew who Bootsy was by then. Dr. Dre was pretty much the bookend apex of P. Funk in hip-hop, wasn't he?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 April 2021 23:14 (two weeks ago) link

i hung out with humpty/shock g recently backstage of a pfunk show drinkin and smokin trees and i told him my name was chaki and he said he liked that and did a rap about chaki!

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:52 (eighteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 23 April 2021 23:15 (two weeks ago) link

man that demo tape

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 23 April 2021 23:35 (two weeks ago) link

mc blowfishhhhhhhhhh

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 24 April 2021 01:08 (two weeks ago) link

De La sampled “not just knee deep” but it was one of like 1000 samples on 3 Feet High, while p-funk was like a foundational element of DU and was always mentioned in stuff I read about them. I grew up in a county that is 95% white with a 0.5% black population 7-10 hours away from Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Chicago, and Detroit and had no family or friends in any of those places so had zero soul/funk/r&b exposure if it wasn’t on MTV or American Top 40. At least we knew how to mail order records by the punk bands we read about in Thrasher magazine.

joygoat, Saturday, 24 April 2021 02:20 (two weeks ago) link

That bass sound in "Humpty Dance" is one of the best riffs ever in music and was always a big WTF is that when I first heard it. Sex Packets was a big party record in college.

earlnash, Saturday, 24 April 2021 07:28 (two weeks ago) link

I mean, the fact that Humpty as a persona was ‘uncool’ enough to mimic the bass line — like we all do when we’re trying to approximate something about a song we like — is what made him/them all the cooler. A ‘check this shit out!’ move.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 April 2021 13:02 (two weeks ago) link

When I was a kid, I wanted to buy Sex Packets so bad. I loved the Humpty Dance and the album cover was so tantalizing to me. But I had just been through an ordeal with my parents where I had bought GNR Lies under their noses and it didn't end well, so I was kinda laying low with my music explorations. I really didn't think I could swing Sex Packets.

So I kinda forgot about them until now, although I've definitely seen them get praise on ILM and elsewhere. I'm listening now and this stuff is great. I wish I'd gone for it.

peace, man, Saturday, 24 April 2021 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

peace, man... wow, that is a seriously long game.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 24 April 2021 21:00 (two weeks ago) link

That demo tape definitely isn't Digital Underground - Shock G doesn't rap, sing or play on it - but it's fascinating hearing a no-name group (who don't quite have it together yet) try out so many styles of the moment, as upmiss says. Mon shouts out "Mac Mone" and "DJ Goldfinger (with the 24 karat cuts)," which was Fuze's name in the early days, and there's a second rapper on a couple of tracks, so this is very probably MGM, Fuze and Money's early trio with Mac Mone.

(Relistening while typing: he mentions MGM, Mac Mone and Goldfinger in the Delicious Vinyl-sounding track as well as the long shout-out section in the second-last track. That's definitive enough for me!)

It could almost be 1987, with the very just-post-electro style of most of the tape, or the more 1988-ish songs at the start might have been recorded later. Goldfinger/Fuze auditioned to do one showcase for Tommy Boy as a fill-in on the strength of liking the first DU single, from 1988. When asked to go on tour in Europe bcz DU's regular DJ was still unavailable, he insisted that Money B getting to join was his condition, as the two of them were a group: that was in time for Mon to do a couple of hype-man vocals on Doowutchyalike in 1989, so I'm guessing the trio MGM reduced to the duo Raw/Fusion during 1988.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 25 April 2021 11:15 (two weeks ago) link

thanks for sharing, tabes and pal!

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 25 April 2021 11:24 (two weeks ago) link

damn sic bringin the knowledge like nardwuar

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 25 April 2021 11:45 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks sic! My friend literally found that as an unlabeled tape in a box.

He also has an early demo of Tupac's Changes that he found in the same box. Pretty sick.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Sunday, 25 April 2021 15:01 (two weeks ago) link

Latter one is definitely and unmistakably Pac, btw.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Sunday, 25 April 2021 15:02 (two weeks ago) link

The cassette of Sex Packets had a couple of exclusive (and a couple more exclusive-ish) tracks, including this one by Fuze & Money alone - absolutely sounds in the same style as that demo tape, right down to ending the song by just shouting out other members of Digital Underground for ages.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 April 2021 10:47 (two weeks ago) link

Great obit, with illuminating biographical details:

https://www.vulture.com/article/obituary-shock-g-digital-underground.html

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 28 April 2021 22:49 (one week ago) link

Bootsy gave a memorial statement to Rolling Stone, which they excerpted and interjected:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bootsy-collins-digital-underground-shock-g-tribute-1160570/

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 1 May 2021 08:45 (one week ago) link

That vulture piece is excellent.
Played by 12" of humpty dance yesterday and was shocked at how huge that bass is.

candyman, Saturday, 1 May 2021 13:49 (one week ago) link

my buddy treblefree located a copy of and uploaded the "ultragroove" remix of 'no nose job' for your listening pleasures.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 7 May 2021 22:54 (four days ago) link


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