Nu-metal:Search and destroy

That's it as far as nu-metal goes. The rest should be buried deep as the toxic waste as it is.

But, god, string the rest of those wack poseurs up by their uvulas and let them dangle. Including Papa Roach. Losing my sight, losing my mind... Lose this, you bonehead. (But, really, outside of Limp Bizkit, you can go either way with the rest of the group, depending on your mood & tolerance. But, damn, they'd be so much better without Fred dropping turds on the mike.)

I'm guessing we're defining / have defined "nu-metal" as loud, abrasive guitar-driven rock with rap/spoken word inflections, ya?

they seem like the least revolting of the bunch.

I'm thinking most of the bands Otis mentioned (excepting Slipknot, who are still a cult fave, a la Marilyn Manson right before "Sweet Dreams" hit) are destined to flame out. And don't forget Static X & Powerman 5000. (Though Powerman was around back in the day, too.)

Hmmm...I remember many folks (circa 1995/6) trying to pre-emptively call White Zombie's _Astrocreep 2000_ record (specifically, "More Human than Human") a metal trend-setter (with its electronic flourishes and super-clean, super-"modern" sound). Listening to the over-produced moves of folks like Linkin Park & Static X & Mudvayne, I'd have to agree.

Yeah, it's called CRAP. This stuff is the hair-metal of the new Millenium.

Both of them trade in exaggerated and absurdified masculine images - hair has queeny glam braggadocio, nu has the tats and piercings look (the masculine body warping and modifying under culture-pressure). This allows both genres to achieve moments of sudden tenderness which are more affecting because you're not expecting them (though maybe by this point you should be).

The critical reaction to nu metal is fascinating - all of the old critical saws which people get jumped on here for applying to pop any more (they dont mean it! its commodified! its old hat! rich people shouldnt be angry! its just for 15 year olds!) have achieved glittering new life in the nu-metal-crit arena.

Search and Destroy? No idea, mate.

I find Nu-Metal's dabbling in hip-hop to be confining if anything, given mainstream hip-hop's unwavering emphasis on "keeping it real," leading loads of funkless white boys to babble out playa-related gibberish unconvincingly (an embarassment to both genres, as I read it). One can't help but pity the poor deejay on Incubus' "Drive" for not having much more to do that lamely augmenting the beat here and there. It's awkward and poserish at best.

I kind of feel like I'm watching the rebranding of Filter all over again...

But the sad thing is that there is a lot more identikit bullshit on way for the next six months by looking at a number of rock/metal websites, completely inept nu metal/rap metal chancers. A lot of them are signed to major labels that will have big promo budgets to target the Nu Metal youth via rock/metal magazines and certain websites.

The dumb thing about Nu Metal current crop of bands each band has its on stupid association/ formula:

Mudvayne - painted faces and watered down industrial-metal influences wow aren't this band weird and way out say the nu metal youth? NO not really.

Disturbed - an electric chair - and power catchy simple crunchy tunes that are severely limited has some how created an audience for this cliched band - someone wire them up to that The Electric Chair and turn the voltage on. NOW!

Slipknot - red/black boiler suits and noisey rock sound, feel the power and strength of our macho music - yes say a generation of angst ridden 14-19 year olds etc. That each Slipknot track works the same formula is lost on these kids though.

Linkin Park: trendy clothes, clean cut looks and hooky melodies with synth sounds to get the girls interested. Dubbed the Savage Garden of Nu metal, these chancers get their 15 minutes of fame on the front cover on the NME this week. Destined by 2004 to be flooding secondhand record stores.

Papa Roach - dumb ass stomp videos and music for 15 year white trash morons looking to rebel and stomp against their parents etc. Pathetic. What is annoying this dick of a front singer, what utter drivel spouts from his mouth in a horrible dumb singalong chug style. The music is the most generic rap-metal bullshit band yet, however other labels have seen this formula work and there is more bullshit to come yet. Wait for a crap band called Dislocated Styles on Roadrunner - utter shite rap metal.

As for Fred Durst he is the King of Bullshit rap music but you knew that already.

MARKETING A FORMULA

Make no mistake niche target marketing and its most slick is at work in Nu Metal, targeted at young audiences eager to fit in with their angst riden teenage peers. Get the baggy jeans, get a Papa Roach hoodie and a new Slipknot tshirt/ CD. Hang round the streets in groups, group belonging = conformity. I have no doubt that Slipknot’s second soon to be released album will gatecrash the top 10 album charts in the UK.

[Many of these kids will never experience music with originality and supreme intensity such as Big Black: Sounds About Fucking, Voivod: Dimension Hatross, Killing Joke: Extremities.., Fugazi: In on the Killtaker, Husker Du: Zen Arcade, Metallica: Kill em all, or Refused The Shape of Punk to come or Rites of Spring: Rites of Spring. ]

DEFTONES

In ten years time one of the few band associated with Nu Metal, The Deftones, will feature in retrospectives of rock music because their music has incorporated different elements to create more texture and scope over there three albums to date. The majority of the others will be completely forgotten, because the music is so generic, lame, unoriginal rehashes of Korn's debut.

Like I said on the Strokes thread there a number of bands around in rock that are making music that destroys cliche of trad retroisms or ID Nu Metal.

THE CURRENT LEADERS IN EXTREME ROCK MUSIC

Completely offering an opposition to nu metal are a whole host of bands (Minus, Botch, Isis, Neurosis, Drowningman, Narcissus, Red Harvest, Converge, Candiria, Sykcamefalling, Zao, Solefald, Satyricon, Thorns, Taken, Nile, Dillinger Escape Plan, Zyklon etc) that do not get mentioned in the mainstream press.

e.g. Botch: For originality, crushing complexity and power, a sound that constantly craves attention is futuristic and fresh I strongly recommend Botch who released the startling We are the Romans album on Hydrahead in 1999. John Peel has played them a few times, but apart from that they are virtually unknowns in the UK, apart from Terrorizer magazine support.

The only band that incorporates hip hop grooves and metalcore intensity with any creativity to date this year are Candiria. Their music is more complex in the vein of Dillinger Escape Plan.

ULTRASPANK

Not Nu Metal but more art-metal I strongly recommend the debut album by Ultraspank, that mixed influences from Jane's Addiction, Dead Can Dance, The Cure, The God Machine, Killing Joke and mostly Tool into their music that produced stunning effects.

SEPULTURA

I can also recommend Sepultura: Roots album that had a twisted and intense deep sound. You play this album and it destroys the bullshit of the current crop of Nu Metal.

STRAPPING YOUNG LAD: CITY

Devin Townsend is a genius working under the project Strapping Young Lad in 1997 he released an album called City that is crushing in intensity with a stellar futuristic production. This maybe the greatest Industrial-metal albums of the 90s. Townsend is a genius and has many other sound projects.

THE FUTURE OF METAL: EMPEROR

Definately not Nu Metal, but be prepared for the return of the leaders of dark black metal Emperor, in the Autumn - their forthcoming album is set to redefine the complexity of extreme metal. This will be their last album, and will challenge Tool’s Lateralus in the epic and atmospheric art qualities of the music.

[I can see the philosopher Pinefox - waiting for this one to rewaken his interest in contemporary rock music and Tom Ewing will be writing articles in November in Freaky Trigger - Emperor redefine rock: our future has arrived - or maybe not?]

As I have said before Terrorizer magazine is the place to keep up to date with rock/metal music, and one of the few metal websites that junks/ignores the crap and concentrates on the more radical, creative side of modern metal is Lambgoat.com

DJ Martian

Any genre where 13-year olds worship a bald 30-something as the voice of their generation needs to be destroyed completely. Really, 13-year old Limp Bizkit fans are just male teenyboppers, aren't they? I bet they dream of sucking Fred off too.

If I may ... I think it's partly because both the Deftones and Sepultura have expanded their sound and are willing and able to use "non-nu-metal" elements therein to good effect. I remember when my younger sister bought the first(?) Deftones CD, Adrenaline, back in 1995, and not being all that impressed -- Korn soundalikes, I thought at the time. There's definitely been a progression in the Deftones between then and White Pony -- I never would have thought six years ago that the same band would produce songs like "Feiticeira" or "Digital Bath," where they use almost ambient textures. Sepultura has also progressed from basic late-eighties Slayeresque thrash metal (not that Slayeresque metal is a bad thing, but I digress) to more distinctly Brazilian elements (which makes sense since they are Brazilian).

Another is that the Deftones' and Sepultura's lyrics seem to be a tad bit more interesting and intelligent than other nu-metal outfits. Neither has separated themselves totally from that sort of lyrical approach completely, but IMHO the better Deftones lyrics are almost on a par with Tool's. (An aside: would people consider Tool to be nu-metal?) In fact, if White Pony is indicative it seems like the Deftones are becoming more and more influenced (musically and lyrically) by Tool (which is a good thing IMHO) and less and less by Korn-esque nu-metal. As for Sepultura, they've always been a little bit more intelligent, even political, lyrically than most metal bands (nu or old).

Hope that helps.

A lot of metalheads (which I kinda sorta am) don't particularly care for nu-metal (no matter how many times Korn or Limp Bizkit tour with Ozzy). The analogy between nu-metal and eighties hair-metal is apt, in that both genres are largely derivative -- every nu-metal band steals from Korn, every hair-metal band stole from Motley Crue's Shout at the Devil or Van Halen, adding nothing to the originals from which they nicked their sound and look. Additionally, both hair-metal and nu-metal essentially poured syrup on top of elements of "heavier" metal -- hair-metal making Judas Priest/Iron Maiden riffs and NY Dolls-type looks tame; nu-metallers stealing their vocal and lyrical chops not only from rap, but also death metal grunts while watering down the pilfered elements from both genres. In the eighties, thrash, grindcore and (ugh) even grunge arose in reaction to hair-metal; nowadays, while death and black metal largely preceded nu-metal, those genres still exist as well as other metal acts (that DJ Martian mentioned) that largely eschew nu-metal.

On a personal note, it's also hard for me to take Fred Durst all that seriously in part because pre-Limp Bizkit he was a fucking hairdresser. Which puts him in the same league as A Flock of Seagulls, I suppose, though not as entertaining and a helluva lot more ridiculous in his way.

Haven't given DJ Martian's post a chance yet (been distracted by "stuff"), but it looks nice & meaty. And it reminds me of some excellent writing about heavy metal that you can find here, if you look hard enough.

As far as Tarden, he might be going a bit off the cuff, but I see what he's getting at (though I don't necessarily agree). Orgy = The Smiths with balls. As the sad youth become angrier, the music they gravitate towards also gets pissy. But you really can't connect these two on any non-superficial ground. Here in the US, the past 25 years have been about catharsis regarding the disenfranchised youth culture - the world sucks, you stew in your juices, and then listen to some RAAAAWK that'll pop the cork. From early Led Zeppelin & Black Sabbath to Alice Cooper & Kiss to Metallica & Megadeth to Nirvana & Alice in Chains to Marilyn Manson & Korn to Linkin Park & Papa Roach. Abrasive, loud, pissed, scathing, with varying nutritional values. No room for angsty, fey ruminations on romance & sexual ambiguity.

(Can't believe no one's mentioned Rage Against the Machine yet, either. There's an obvious touchstone.)

But, of course, Deftones = Soundgarden (the critical fave, at once both part of the movement while maintaining an aloof distance & following a slightly tweaked muse).

Being that I was a robust & wordly *cough cough* 18 when I was bitten by the flannel bug, I can't say that I'd have bitten for the nu-metal swag bounding about nowadays. Of course, I loathed shit like Metallica back then - I was into grunge for the "meaning" behind the music. (I also read _X-Men_ for literary nourishment. And ate 2 Roy Rogers roast beef sandwiches a day.)

I have a brother? Yo, biznatch, you owe me 26 birthday presents - get on it!

Whatever happened to System of a Down? I remember Alternative Press (pardon me as I suppress laughter) ran down a list of nu-metal hopefuls back when nu-metal wasn't nu-metal. From the 2 songs I heard, SoaD seemed to be an inspired & idiosyncratic take on hard rock. I remember "Sugar" to be a particularly confounding little ditty. They must've been swallowed up & spit out by American Recording's consolidation (where they let the Gang of Four CDs go out of print, but keep Andrew Dice Clay around - yeah, Mr. Rubin, keep it up).

I used to like Disturbed's "Voices" because I thought they said these lines: "N'Sync, you gonna die - will you listen to me!? D-d-d-d-die! D-d-d-d-die!" Alas, they don't so I went off it.

This line is quite funny.

I've pretty much succeeded in blotting most of these bands out of my existence by just not paying attention. I saw a video a couple of days ago for a Deftones tune that had a title about some spy in the house of spiders or something like that, which I thought was kind of nifty. I listened to that one with the skinny girl with the bikini back around 98 for about five minutes at work once as that was enough for me.

The two bands that didn't get mentioned here that I had roommates that listened to ton back in the day that at least to my ears had a similar sound was Clutch and Quicksand.

Clutch is still going, but I haven't heard anything past their 2nd record. "Shotgun Named Marcus" sounds like a template for alot of these bands.

I've been searching around trying to find one of the Quicksand albums used, as they used to be in every used bin, but not anymore. Being that I used to really like drugs and booze, the fact that Walter was in Gorilla Biscuits used to kind of keep me a bit at bay, but at least to my memory Quicksand had some interesting music.

Also, I have the Moondog bootleg and it scares the SHIT out of me.

Destroy: Papa Roach's live performance on Carson Daily where their vocalist runs out of breath, can't sing his lines, and falls his fat ass off the stage...okay actually search that and laugh hysterically like I did

Destroy - all the others.

How I wish all these Korn-hoody-wearing self-proclaimed-neo-'goths' would shut up and listen to Godflesh...

http://img6.photobucket.com/albums/v20/durstrocks/9.jpg

Is it finally dead now?

System of a Down is the only thing left.

I didnt listen to hair metal at the time, so I missed out on the grounding for the current nostalgiafest. It seems to me both hair and nu metal are loud and have lots of riffs: hair is a bit more playful and nu is more intense, but then wasnt the playfulness of hair and the intensity of *grunge* why everyone said hair had to die anyway? Nu is also arguably more musically interesting cos of the hip-hop elements - there are more places it could go.

Both of them trade in exaggerated and absurdified masculine images - hair has queeny glam braggadocio, nu has the tats and piercings look (the masculine body warping and modifying under culture-pressure). This allows both genres to achieve moments of sudden tenderness which are more affecting because you're not expecting them (though maybe by this point you should be).

The critical reaction to nu metal is fascinating - all of the old critical saws which people get jumped on here for applying to pop any more (they dont mean it! its commodified! its old hat! rich people shouldnt be angry! its just for 15 year olds!) have achieved glittering new life in the nu-metal-crit arena.

Search and Destroy? No idea, mate.

-- Tom, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 01:00

What do you think now, Tom?

I just saw a TV ad for the new Korn album. Fucking hell.

At least the Deftones are still making interesting music. I never really considered them nu-metal; though they associated/toured with all those other bands I don't need to mention, they never really fit in with that crowd to me. I could easily imagine them having a record on Hydra Head, for example (which would instantly make the hipsters love 'em to bits).

Hipsters already did like Deftones. Because they were actually good.

Is it finally dead now?

-- Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, August 2, 2007 2:04 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Link

I think nu-metal and post-hardcore have bled into each other to a degree that we have bottom-heavy screamo now, but that's about it.

Search: Papa Roach's "Last resort"---Whiny angst rock with a great medieval sounding stop-start riff

Whcih was totally ripped off the intro of this.

deftones uber alles

I went to a Deftones show once. To see Will Haven.

This was a treat. Thanks.

-- Nate Carson, Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:23 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

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Search: the last 50 seconds or so of 'Chop Suey!'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nu_metal/Archive_1

Excuse me, but why this article's authors are absolutely convinced that Red Hot Chili Peppers have not to be considered nu metal inspirators? (unsigned)

last band stsnding?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcveAwvgp5E&feature=fvwrel

and the only one i ever really liked too! shows what great taste me and the australians have. slipknot still a thing in the u.k. too, no?

this has better sound. SERIOUS slipknot fans at knebworth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzshp82CmnU&NR=1&feature=endscreen

I'm just glad I saw the Chaos AD tour.

Also saw Korn open for Ozzy in '95. Terrible!

Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. email me if u have a problem, and ill kick ur ass.
― MeTaL RuLeS, Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:31 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love how categorical this post is. i mean, i just wanna ask this guy, "so, Korn is REALLY better than Beethoven? Papa Roach is better than John Coltrane? do you even know who Beethoven or Coltrane WERE?!?"

email him if u have a problem!

it would be really funny if he's still so militant on this topic 9 years later ...

and so it begins ..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/jun/07/download-festival-nu-metal

personally, as an old man, i cant wait to be able to play my linkin park collection (courtesy of playlouder !), and not worry re the sneering masses ...

i love how categorical this post is. i mean, i just wanna ask this guy, "so, Korn is REALLY better than Beethoven? Papa Roach is better than John Coltrane? do you even know who Beethoven or Coltrane WERE?!?"

― عليك ارتداء ماكياج من مهرج مثلي الجنس المتداول مائة عميق في سيارة مصغر (Eisbaer),

haha u r old

I was given DED's debut album to listen to.

This is the most horrible shit I've ever heard in my life.

Have you listened to korn unplugged?

roger adultery (roger adultery) at 4:43 9 Mar 03

i think the song you refer to is by Kid Rock, who, as a celebrity / personality, I like much much better than Coldplay.

Pvmic

lol otm

D: 2016 cover of Michael Jackson's 'They Don't Care About Us' by Saliva that seemingly retains the original 'Jew me' line while omitting the, uh, other one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKxE9uE1lXo

*presses play*

syke