Sonic Youth on film doesn't come across so well, does it?

also, I saw them do a live version of Schizophrenia on SNUB (but I don't think anyone was in the theater). Lee doing his tremelo thing was super cool.

I think they're great live. I don't have much more to add. I just think that if you like them, you'll enjoy the show; if you don't care for their aesthetic you probably won't enjoy being forced to listen to it for a couple hours.

Was The Year That Punk Broke annoying? Yes. But that's just Thurston being Thurston. He's really the only one. You just live with it. I liked Year that Punk Broke for all the Dinosaur and Nirvana footage, honestly.

This is in fact true. I am eight.

It occurs to me that in comparison the random googler crowd for Kanye et al are at least earnest and generally kind if utterly misinformed.

Producers?

Bullshit.

change my original statement to 'rock' band and i'm standing by it 100%.

Also I have no idea what this entity, rite of passage thing is ("If you have heard of Sonic Youth then you can be in MY club. And here's the new issue of Sassy.") but it sounds scary

Public Enemy - two good, if overrated albums.

KRS One - made a few decent tracks, only good album all the way through is Criminal Minded. Has proven himself a complete idiot over the years.

EPMD - would make a kickass Greatest Hits album (if they haven't already) But SY at their worst (say, "Into The Groov-Y") >>> "You Had Too Much To Drink." Parish Smith way more a weak link than any SY member.

Mobb Deep - I shouldn't even dignify this with a response, but I'll say this: Aside from the halfway decent "Shook Ones," they are utterly disposable and not even half the group Black Moon was.

Wu-Tang Clan - One great debut album. One at times great, but often boring but certainly no more wildly uneven than any Sonic Youth album post Sister. Two very very good albums each with one very weak song. And more than half-a-dozen great solo albums in which the entire group basically appeared on half of the tracks. And then a bunch of very good if someone exploitive compilations of great tracks which were spread across soundtracks and other folks albums and god knows where else.

OK, maybe not those last three, but still...Mobb Deep??!?

C0L1N - i have friends who swear by the so called Mash Out Posse but I can't take all the yelling. They've been remaking "Downtown Swinga" for years. In that sense, they're just as bad as Mobb Deep, and for the same reasons.

We'll just agree to disagree.

For what it's worth, the most groundbreaking hip hop group to come from NYC since 1990 is Company Flow, easy.

(psyched for Ghostface's new solo shit too tho)

ok, ok, low blow...

What's inventive about it aside from RZA's production?

"A three-girl punk band from Glasgow in Scotland, Pink Kross were discovered by Bill Bartell: the Californian who has spent two years putting together the Germs tribute album (which features 1992's cut "The Holez" by Courtney Love and onetime Germ Pat Smear). Bartell was also the man who "broke" cult group Shonen Knife."

this thread is so depressing. why can't ILM have a single fucking thread about even someone like Sonic Youth without it turning into a bunch of hand wringing about whether certain people like hip hop enough?

Although I am SY defender -- and always will be -- I must say that 'A thousand leaves' is a shit album. mostly offensive and shit. I've tried so hard to like it. but it is shit.

OK,yes, the Youth are geeks. I know.

One last thing: Alex in Nyc is going to wake up one day and realize that he has always been a closet SY lover. Yr in denial Alex, face it.

Oh, yeah, I do. I know, I know "just a kitten" - but besides that...

describe the touch, no it's the thought
it's warm and yellow and has a ruffle
it's warm and yellow and...
he's so quiet i forgot he's there
and i think here i am.
oh alice, come back he's just a kitten...
he's just a kitten
a thousand leaves for your disguise fall on
the sky and looking up from down is a sea to
realize the leaves are falling up and down
up and round.
and this is from my heart to you
a crazy wind will stir me too and contre de la
sexisme
i am with you.

Wait. Ninety.