Rush: Classic or Dud?

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No one has asked this one yet (and I have a sneaking suspicion I know why, but I'll ask it anyway)...

What do you think of them crazy prog-rockin' Canadians, then? Super? Sucky? Somewhere in the middle? Please write your response in the form of a haiku.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"Why I Like Rush: A Haiku" by Alex in NYC

Rush Rock Like No One Ex-Cept May-Be Pla-Ce-Bo Neil Peart, Wow, He's Good.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Rush -- i get high on

you and my spacey invade

ers get by on you

Mark, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hi points - the drum beat of "Tom Sawyer" (as everyone knows by now), & one of the best fake-Led-Zeppelins ever in "Working Man" (great gtr solo!). Other than that, they can go & read the complete works of Ayn Rand. (I'd rather attempt to eat the entire works of Ayn Rand).

duane, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hilarious fact abt Ayn Rand: when she went round in the 60s giving lectures on how unfettered capitalism was the BEST BEST BEST, she wd wear a black cape covered in gold $ signs!!

mark s, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

As a band: dud. As a rite of passage: classic.

scott p, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'd like Rush a lot more if they wore black capes covered with gold $ signs...

duane, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I think Rush sucks. Any band where the drummer writes the lyrics is bound to suck. Do you know what RUSH stands for? "Running Under Satan's House." I did learn something in school... "Anti-Christ Devil Child," "We Are Satan's People,""Knights in Satan's Service," etc.

andy, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

---------> "Je suis Le By-Tor."

"Non. Vous etes Le Chien d'Neige." <------------

"Les pommes frites! Mon dieu!!!"

Jean-Luc Godard, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The good woman claims to like Rush, although I've never seen any evidence of this.

Dirty Vicar, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The only Rush track I've heard is 'The Spirit of Radio' from 'The Permanent Waves alb (1980). It was the nearest thing Rush had to a hit single in the UK (top thirty?) Now I don't know what Canadian radio was like back when this single was released, but English pop radio at the time, which for me basically meant Radio One, was horrendous. The 'Breakfast Show' was the station's prime time biggie, only entrusted to Radio One's biggest 'personalities'/tossers - Noel Edmonds, Dave Lee Travis, Steve Wright, all endlessly yakking over the few pop hits they played in-between their 'banter'. So the lyrics to 'Spirit of Radio', clearly written to suck up to radio station DJs, were not only v. horrible, but also a million miles from the truth. Here's the opening verse:

"Begin the day with a friendly voice/A companion, unobtrusive/ Plays the song that's so elusive/And the magic music makes your morning mood"

Dud for that alone.

Andrew L, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

they were good before
Lee's voice dropped, and Lifeson
stopped using distortion

tarden, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Rush are r0x0r, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Check out the k-kewl sartorial elegance displayed on the back cover of "2112" if you don't believe me. Stylee! Neil Peart's RAD, d00d (etc etc)

x0x0

/<-r/-\/>, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I am proud to say that I once voted Rush the greatest band of the 80's. They had a lot of good moments, 'Xanadu' appeared in Tommy Vance's poll for the top ten rock tracks of all time throughout most of the 1980s. I think they peaked with 'The Weapon' on Signals (1982). They differed from their contemporaries in being more interested in playing around with the time-signature of their tracks. But ultimately, in an oft repeated pattern, instrumental virtuosity ceased to be musically interesting and just became self-indulgent.

Conor Kostick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

But ultimately, in an oft repeated pattern, instrumental virtuosity ceased to be musically interesting and just became self-indulgent.

Are you describing your personal development or that of the band? Because, if anything, the band got less and less showy as the years went on. "Counterparts" (the last one I heard) was even "grunge" influenced, allegedly. Rush was my favorite band all throughout high school.

Kris, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hey, it's supposed to be a HAIKU, people !

Guitar mag gruel
Less smart than it wants to be
Pretty harmless now

Hey, gimme a break, I've never written a haiku before.

Patrick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Stoner's favourite

'Tom Sawyer' plays through art class

Turn that shit off now!

suzy, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Geddy Lee = King of the Mullet People

Kim, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'm in Canada I like said prog band less Than I did before

Dave M., Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Truly dreadful, they Give "chops", prog-rock a bad name. Two good songs* -- rest's dud.

*( I reluctantly but freely admit that both Tom Sawyer and YYZ are both decent songs.)

Phil, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh dear, where did my line breaks go...

Phil, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Childhood memories
Older brother worships them
Despite this, they ROCK

Dan Perry, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Repeated listens
Render it annoying, eh
Still, sentimental

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm so bored tonight that I'm reading vintage "classic or dud"'s, and I have to say that the stipulation of submitting answers in haiku format is pure, unhomogenized genius. More please!

Alex in NYC, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Objectivist Rock a la Ayn Rand = DUD!

Jack Cole, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Unhomogenised
Gen-i-us?" You would say that,
Since you started it!

Jeff W, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

BA da BA BA BA

da BA BA BA BA da-da

BA da BA BA BA...

Joe, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Neil Peart squeals, righteous in his Objectivist zeal but all their songs suck

Shaky Mo Collier, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Drummers Who Write songs
Didn't make Hüsker Dü suck
it was Geddy's voice.

Mr Noodles, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
They may be cheesy
But add rocking conviction
Who else but Rush eh?

piers (piers), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Rush sucks my big dick
Geddy lee is a scourge on Earth
prog rock motherfucks

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

more rush haikus please

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Andrew L missed the whole point of "Spirit of Radio"! TAO: Your second line would actually fit haiku conventions if you made it "Geddy is a scourge on Earth".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Fly by night limelight
Too many notes played at once
Blame's on Toronto

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:26 (nineteen years ago) link

thank you sweet sundar, you are correct. that is what i meant to do. *tries to awkwardly plant a kiss on sundar's cheek and is promptly slapped on the face* ouch.

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Ayn Rand prog rockin'
Canadian eunuch squeals
You people so dumb!

Confucius, Friday, 8 October 2004 06:13 (nineteen years ago) link

moving pictures has
the very worst cover art
which is such a shame

subdivisions rocks
which counters all that i've been
told about this band

the lyrics are too
obvious but what can you
expect from hosers?

derrick (derrick), Friday, 8 October 2004 06:38 (nineteen years ago) link

'Limelight' licks are great
'Signals' is a true classic
The rest smells like wee

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Once I crossed the street
Geddy Lee almost hit me
In his Land Rover

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:32 (nineteen years ago) link

CLASSIC as long as this man was Prime Minister:

http://www.clevernet.on.ca/pierre_trudeau/images/pic_trudeau_beer.jpg

DUD thereafter

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:45 (nineteen years ago) link

[...wish I coulda found a picture of him riding on a train & flipping off protesters thru the window!]

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Rush is good
for opening up my pooper
so other men can do me

Good Dog, Friday, 8 October 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

. . . Or maybe not

Space-jazz-rock-tronic
If rednecks didn't like them
They'd be Kraftwerk-hip

Geddyvox

Less boy or girl than
Alien; Precise
Enunciation

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

fact checkin cuz to thread

sleep (sleep), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Songs(works) and arrangements: Classic
Lyrics and vocals: Dud

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Rush probably more than any other band....I don't think there BETTER than alot of bands, but they were a big part of my childhood....

Great band, I think.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Young Black Teenagers
Seeking the phattest of shit
Sample Tom Sawyer

dlp9001, Saturday, 9 October 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

has anyone seen the episode of "trailer park boys" where they kidnap alex liefson?
i gained new respect for the man after watching that.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I have no haiku to offer which I why I didn't say anything before. But great, of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i was at a party with some guys who were really entranced with some kind of video of stevie ray vaughn stranglin' the blues back in the '80s. doo-rags. these guys were such geeks, glued to the tube while there were girls to hit on and barbecue to scarf. then they got into "moving pictures," talking about the "production values" and saying things like "you can't deny the musicianship," while trying to be "ironic" about the whole stinkin' thing. typical night with people in nashville trying to be hip about not being hip or whatever that convolution is. then, everyone got drunk the host attempted to explain the shaggs to these geeks and everyone *listened hard and they got it*!! ahh. so, rush sucks and that's it, that's just like being "ironic" about kiss or worryin' about montgomery gentry, i think (as in the video where that goober takes off his cowboy hat to reveal an expensive-looking doo-rag/headwrap of some kind), and only the man upstairs can say whether rush is great or not...yes, rush did a record of covers i understand includes a version of eddie cochran's summertime blues done like blue cheer! so, they have roots like the rest of us, cuz.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm assuming when he went to study with that jazz guru guy it was motivated by wanting to play with less force and wear and tear on his body

He definitely changed up his style immediately after that, but it seemed like he gravitated back towards his old ways later on.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 22 May 2023 22:36 (one year ago) link

the drum guru was freddie gruber, and one of the ways he changed his shit up was that he swore by traditional grip, like "this is the best way to hold the sticks, what was I thinking, that did so much damage to my hands," and then after the hiatus re: Jackie and Dominique's demises in 2002, he went back to matched grip…

veronica moser, Monday, 22 May 2023 23:07 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

I hesitate to sully this good thread here, but I'm currently listening to the new Crown Lands. And as much as I didn't want to like it, I have to admit that it is doing a decent job of filling a Rush filled hole in my life.

https://crownlandsmusic.bandcamp.com/album/fearless

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 27 July 2023 14:56 (eleven months ago) link

Hmm, I don't know what to think of that.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 July 2023 15:22 (eleven months ago) link

The first song I heard I was still very skeptical, but the more I listened I found myself enjoying it. They are talented and the vocals make it hard not to immediately think of Geddy, but they are pretty damn talented. Far better than, say, Greta Van Fleet.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 27 July 2023 15:30 (eleven months ago) link

Do people really have a Rush-shaped hole? Personally, I’m satisfied by the band’s 19 albums which kept pace with various developments in rock, and whose career ended once rock as a cultural force was pretty much spent.

Melomane, Thursday, 27 July 2023 17:11 (eleven months ago) link

It does grieve me that Neil Peart is no longer with us.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 27 July 2023 17:18 (eleven months ago) link

I'd love to see Ged and Alex do a little tour with a Chad Smith or Dave Grohl and just hammer out some 74-75 material. They sure had a lot of fun at the Taylor Hawkins tributes.

A. Begrand, Thursday, 27 July 2023 18:15 (eleven months ago) link

Yeah, I mean, maybe Rush ended at a good time, but on the other hand, with all the other dinosaurs still touring and recording new music, I think they'd have had a lot more good stuff in them had things not developed the way they did.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 27 July 2023 18:18 (eleven months ago) link

once rock as a cultural force was pretty much spent.

side topic but this does not matter to me at all one bit? who cares?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 July 2023 18:20 (eleven months ago) link

just hammer out some 74-75 material

Except Geddy mostly hates that stuff, and hasn't been able to sing it either for decades.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 27 July 2023 18:24 (eleven months ago) link

three months pass...

Please tell if Geddy Lee's new television show is worth watching.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 28 October 2023 22:54 (eight months ago) link

I'm sure it's worth watching but I don't really want to sign up for whatever service this is on

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 28 October 2023 22:55 (eight months ago) link

He's also touring his memoir.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 October 2023 03:09 (eight months ago) link

i had no idea that he had a solo album until about a week ago. #thingsyoulearnedwhenyouwereold

scott seward, Sunday, 29 October 2023 14:33 (eight months ago) link

With Matt Cameron on drums, I think.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 October 2023 15:00 (eight months ago) link

is every song about how much ayn rand sucks?

scott seward, Sunday, 29 October 2023 15:08 (eight months ago) link

All the songs are about being a Working Man who is In the Mood.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 29 October 2023 17:55 (eight months ago) link

https://i.redd.it/1av52ozxomxb1.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 November 2023 01:51 (eight months ago) link

Woah!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 02:46 (eight months ago) link

This is a great piece:

https://wapo.st/3QzxgNL

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 November 2023 00:39 (eight months ago) link

Thanks for that.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 11 November 2023 04:04 (eight months ago) link

Would Rush have had the success they did with Gershon Eliezer Weinrib and Aleksandar Živojinović fronting them? Given the era, I suspect not.

I don't want to catastrophise but there's a catastrophe looming (Matt #2), Saturday, 11 November 2023 15:53 (eight months ago) link

That WaPo article is wonderful, thanks for that.

A. Begrand, Saturday, 11 November 2023 16:31 (eight months ago) link

KISS featuring Chaim Witz and Stanley Eisen.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 11 November 2023 17:36 (eight months ago) link

Anyone seeing the Geddy Lee book tour?

I forget why it came up, maybe it was that WaPo feature, but my wife watched the Rush doc and really liked it. She doesn't like the band, but did gain a newfound respect for them. She had a best friend in high school who was really into Rush, and could never figure out why this shrieky hard rock band clicked with her. Supposedly the doc helped her understand.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 November 2023 16:32 (eight months ago) link

And oh shit, apparently Alex just guested on a Tool song in Toronto the other night?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 November 2023 00:14 (eight months ago) link

my wife watched the Rush doc and really liked it. She doesn't like the band, but did gain a newfound respect for them.


Did we discuss this? This is exactly the same thing that happened with my wife.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 1 December 2023 05:17 (seven months ago) link

^^^

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 1 December 2023 14:07 (seven months ago) link

Nice interview with Geddy transcribed here:

https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/mojo-01.2024.php

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 03:20 (seven months ago) link

Nice, thanks for the link!

Meanwhile, the other day I learned that one of Neil's biggest inspirations for his drum technique on "Animate" were Lush and Curve. Colour me pleasantly surprised!

A. Begrand, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 03:38 (seven months ago) link

Great Geddy interview. Love that guy. Sort of surprised about the coke revelations.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 14:14 (seven months ago) link

It just goes to show that apparently *every* musician was doing coke, to some extent. Even Geddy Lee. I was kinda shocked at the revelation a few years ago that Mike Rutherford was a big coke abuser. (Whereas Phil was largely a teetotaler).

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 14:46 (seven months ago) link

yeah it seems like it's pretty much impossible to comprehend how prevalent coke was in the entertainment biz in the 80s

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 15:16 (seven months ago) link

As soon as the first Zeppelin LP dropped we all bought it and thought, What is this? It had a kinda Humble Pie vibe

Geddy has his chronology a little mixed up, the first Humble Pie album came out seven months after Zeppelin's debut.

It's touching to see how moved he is discussing Neil and Alex.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 15:17 (seven months ago) link

(Whereas Phil was largely a teetotaler).

Maybe with coke but he was apparently hitting the weed pretty heavily back in the day, plus his notorious problems with alcohol.

dinnerboat, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 15:58 (seven months ago) link

Imagine getting high with Tony Banks

sophie glanced up, looking concerned (Matt #2), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 16:39 (seven months ago) link

cool he can be insufferable at a higher tempo

STUPID CRAP FACE (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 17:39 (seven months ago) link

I think Phil's drinking problem came much, much later, like after he had (first) retired and had too much time and money.

I found the Curve/Lush quote btw!

For the opening track, 'Animate,' for instance, I used a basic R&B rhythm that I played back in my early days, coupled with that hypnotic effect that a lot of the British bands of the turn of the 90's had - bands like Curve and Lush. The middle section of the tune is the result of the impact African music has had on me, although it wasn't a specific African rhythm. I hear a section of a tune, and immediately I have to make choices, and many times those world influences I talked about earlier will come into play and contribute to my parts.

I can ... kind of hear it? Fwiw, I remember seeing Curve with Steve Monti and his playing made a big impression on me.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 December 2023 17:50 (seven months ago) link

the biggest Rush fan I know is also a big Curve fan, so this makes lots of sense to me

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 12 December 2023 17:53 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

The Geddy book is *great.*

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2024 14:12 (six months ago) link

Yeah I need to get that. Too much backlog!

The Lush/Curve detail above, I like that. (I'm kinda not surprised at a Curve/Rush fan continuum, Dean Garcia being such a studio hound in the best sense.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 January 2024 19:04 (six months ago) link

I'm going to publish my suspicion that there will be some musical project to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the first album.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 12 January 2024 19:15 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

Seconding Josh, Geddy's book is a wonderful read. Re-listening to everything but now picturing the studios and cast of characters. He uses the pet nicknames for his band-mates throughout, and they change constantly from year to year!

Hearing Tom Sawyer/Limelight/Spirit on the school bus blasted from a boombox in the back seats where the cool kids sat. Journey sounded futuristic but Rush was on a whole other level. Subdivisions sealed the deal. Classic forever.

Psychocandy Apple Grey (Pyschocandles), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 05:03 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've never listened to an audiobook before today, but currently I'm absolutely loving Geddy Lee reading the story of his life (as well as his forbears) in his own effin' words and voice

Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 6 May 2024 01:28 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80lys4YdafM

Maresn3st, Monday, 8 July 2024 16:57 (two weeks ago) link

I watched that over the weekend and enjoyed the hell out of it. I wonder how she sounds with the Mars Volta; I should check out some recent live stuff. (She's not on their most recent studio album.)

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 8 July 2024 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

That was very cool. She would be great with Geddy and Alex.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 8 July 2024 18:05 (two weeks ago) link

Saw Mars Volta a couple times last year - she's incredible.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 8 July 2024 22:06 (two weeks ago) link


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