Rush: Classic or Dud?

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No one has asked this one yet (and I have a sneaking suspicion I know why, but I'll ask it anyway)...

What do you think of them crazy prog-rockin' Canadians, then? Super? Sucky? Somewhere in the middle? Please write your response in the form of a haiku.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Why I Like Rush: A Haiku" by Alex in NYC

Rush Rock Like No One Ex-Cept May-Be Pla-Ce-Bo Neil Peart, Wow, He's Good.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Rush -- i get high on

you and my spacey invade

ers get by on you

Mark, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi points - the drum beat of "Tom Sawyer" (as everyone knows by now), & one of the best fake-Led-Zeppelins ever in "Working Man" (great gtr solo!). Other than that, they can go & read the complete works of Ayn Rand. (I'd rather attempt to eat the entire works of Ayn Rand).

duane, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hilarious fact abt Ayn Rand: when she went round in the 60s giving lectures on how unfettered capitalism was the BEST BEST BEST, she wd wear a black cape covered in gold $ signs!!

mark s, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

As a band: dud. As a rite of passage: classic.

scott p, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like Rush a lot more if they wore black capes covered with gold $ signs...

duane, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Rush sucks. Any band where the drummer writes the lyrics is bound to suck. Do you know what RUSH stands for? "Running Under Satan's House." I did learn something in school... "Anti-Christ Devil Child," "We Are Satan's People,""Knights in Satan's Service," etc.

andy, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

---------> "Je suis Le By-Tor."

"Non. Vous etes Le Chien d'Neige." <------------

"Les pommes frites! Mon dieu!!!"

Jean-Luc Godard, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The good woman claims to like Rush, although I've never seen any evidence of this.

Dirty Vicar, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The only Rush track I've heard is 'The Spirit of Radio' from 'The Permanent Waves alb (1980). It was the nearest thing Rush had to a hit single in the UK (top thirty?) Now I don't know what Canadian radio was like back when this single was released, but English pop radio at the time, which for me basically meant Radio One, was horrendous. The 'Breakfast Show' was the station's prime time biggie, only entrusted to Radio One's biggest 'personalities'/tossers - Noel Edmonds, Dave Lee Travis, Steve Wright, all endlessly yakking over the few pop hits they played in-between their 'banter'. So the lyrics to 'Spirit of Radio', clearly written to suck up to radio station DJs, were not only v. horrible, but also a million miles from the truth. Here's the opening verse:

"Begin the day with a friendly voice/A companion, unobtrusive/ Plays the song that's so elusive/And the magic music makes your morning mood"

Dud for that alone.

Andrew L, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

they were good before
Lee's voice dropped, and Lifeson
stopped using distortion

tarden, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Rush are r0x0r, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Check out the k-kewl sartorial elegance displayed on the back cover of "2112" if you don't believe me. Stylee! Neil Peart's RAD, d00d (etc etc)


/<-r/-\/>, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I am proud to say that I once voted Rush the greatest band of the 80's. They had a lot of good moments, 'Xanadu' appeared in Tommy Vance's poll for the top ten rock tracks of all time throughout most of the 1980s. I think they peaked with 'The Weapon' on Signals (1982). They differed from their contemporaries in being more interested in playing around with the time-signature of their tracks. But ultimately, in an oft repeated pattern, instrumental virtuosity ceased to be musically interesting and just became self-indulgent.

Conor Kostick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

But ultimately, in an oft repeated pattern, instrumental virtuosity ceased to be musically interesting and just became self-indulgent.

Are you describing your personal development or that of the band? Because, if anything, the band got less and less showy as the years went on. "Counterparts" (the last one I heard) was even "grunge" influenced, allegedly. Rush was my favorite band all throughout high school.

Kris, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, it's supposed to be a HAIKU, people !

Guitar mag gruel
Less smart than it wants to be
Pretty harmless now

Hey, gimme a break, I've never written a haiku before.

Patrick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Stoner's favourite

'Tom Sawyer' plays through art class

Turn that shit off now!

suzy, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Geddy Lee = King of the Mullet People

Kim, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm in Canada I like said prog band less Than I did before

Dave M., Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Truly dreadful, they Give "chops", prog-rock a bad name. Two good songs* -- rest's dud.

*( I reluctantly but freely admit that both Tom Sawyer and YYZ are both decent songs.)

Phil, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh dear, where did my line breaks go...

Phil, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Childhood memories
Older brother worships them
Despite this, they ROCK

Dan Perry, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Repeated listens
Render it annoying, eh
Still, sentimental

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm so bored tonight that I'm reading vintage "classic or dud"'s, and I have to say that the stipulation of submitting answers in haiku format is pure, unhomogenized genius. More please!

Alex in NYC, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Objectivist Rock a la Ayn Rand = DUD!

Jack Cole, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Gen-i-us?" You would say that,
Since you started it!

Jeff W, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link


da BA BA BA BA da-da

BA da BA BA BA...

Joe, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Neil Peart squeals, righteous in his Objectivist zeal but all their songs suck

Shaky Mo Collier, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Drummers Who Write songs
Didn't make Hüsker Dü suck
it was Geddy's voice.

Mr Noodles, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
They may be cheesy
But add rocking conviction
Who else but Rush eh?

piers (piers), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Rush sucks my big dick
Geddy lee is a scourge on Earth
prog rock motherfucks

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:42 (fifteen years ago) link

more rush haikus please

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Andrew L missed the whole point of "Spirit of Radio"! TAO: Your second line would actually fit haiku conventions if you made it "Geddy is a scourge on Earth".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Fly by night limelight
Too many notes played at once
Blame's on Toronto

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:26 (fifteen years ago) link

thank you sweet sundar, you are correct. that is what i meant to do. *tries to awkwardly plant a kiss on sundar's cheek and is promptly slapped on the face* ouch.

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Ayn Rand prog rockin'
Canadian eunuch squeals
You people so dumb!

Confucius, Friday, 8 October 2004 06:13 (fifteen years ago) link

moving pictures has
the very worst cover art
which is such a shame

subdivisions rocks
which counters all that i've been
told about this band

the lyrics are too
obvious but what can you
expect from hosers?

derrick (derrick), Friday, 8 October 2004 06:38 (fifteen years ago) link

'Limelight' licks are great
'Signals' is a true classic
The rest smells like wee

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Once I crossed the street
Geddy Lee almost hit me
In his Land Rover

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:32 (fifteen years ago) link

CLASSIC as long as this man was Prime Minister:

DUD thereafter

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:45 (fifteen years ago) link

[...wish I coulda found a picture of him riding on a train & flipping off protesters thru the window!]

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Rush is good
for opening up my pooper
so other men can do me

Good Dog, Friday, 8 October 2004 10:45 (fifteen years ago) link

. . . Or maybe not

If rednecks didn't like them
They'd be Kraftwerk-hip


Less boy or girl than
Alien; Precise

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link

fact checkin cuz to thread

sleep (sleep), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Songs(works) and arrangements: Classic
Lyrics and vocals: Dud

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I love Rush probably more than any other band....I don't think there BETTER than alot of bands, but they were a big part of my childhood....

Great band, I think.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Young Black Teenagers
Seeking the phattest of shit
Sample Tom Sawyer

dlp9001, Saturday, 9 October 2004 00:01 (fifteen years ago) link

has anyone seen the episode of "trailer park boys" where they kidnap alex liefson?
i gained new respect for the man after watching that.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I have no haiku to offer which I why I didn't say anything before. But great, of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link

i was at a party with some guys who were really entranced with some kind of video of stevie ray vaughn stranglin' the blues back in the '80s. doo-rags. these guys were such geeks, glued to the tube while there were girls to hit on and barbecue to scarf. then they got into "moving pictures," talking about the "production values" and saying things like "you can't deny the musicianship," while trying to be "ironic" about the whole stinkin' thing. typical night with people in nashville trying to be hip about not being hip or whatever that convolution is. then, everyone got drunk the host attempted to explain the shaggs to these geeks and everyone *listened hard and they got it*!! ahh. so, rush sucks and that's it, that's just like being "ironic" about kiss or worryin' about montgomery gentry, i think (as in the video where that goober takes off his cowboy hat to reveal an expensive-looking doo-rag/headwrap of some kind), and only the man upstairs can say whether rush is great or not...yes, rush did a record of covers i understand includes a version of eddie cochran's summertime blues done like blue cheer! so, they have roots like the rest of us, cuz.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link

IMO you should give her a Rush day off from school. 8 hours of education from Neil, Geddy, and Alex

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:58 (two months ago) link

I hope your 10 year old doesn't come back from downstairs as a union buster

akm, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 15:32 (two months ago) link

enjoying Power Windows this morning at work

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 16:42 (two months ago) link

Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colorful rag is unfurled

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 18:38 (two months ago) link

Have mostly listened to Permanent Waves thru Signals, but after browsing this thread earlier today, decided to listen to GUP, Power Windows, Presto, and Clockwork Angels. Recognized a few from the first two, but none from Presto or Clockwork. Overall I found the 80s stuff enjoyable. Need more time to listen and digest, though.

beard papa, Thursday, 23 January 2020 01:54 (two months ago) link

Couple of fresh thoughts:

1) I started reading "Ghost Rider." It's often really beautiful and brutally honest. You can really hear his voice, in both sense, which lends it another layer of heartbreak.

2) Listening to "Ghost of a Chance," I was really struck by the nuance of its sentiment, the view of an atheist who believes only in the randomness of the universe, and yet who holds out just a glimmer of faith in the idea that two random people can cross paths and fall in love, "and make it last." Just a lovely, romantic idea.

3) Speaking of Peart the humanist, "Witch Hunt" is a particularly apropos song.

The righteous rise
With burning eyes
Of hatred and ill-will
Madmen fed on fear and lies
To beat and burn and kill

They say there are strangers who threaten us
Our immigrants and infidels
They say there is strangeness to danger us
In our theaters and bookstore shelves
That those who know what's best for us
Must rise and save us from ourselves

Quick to judge
Quick to anger
Slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice
And fear walk hand in hand

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 24 January 2020 18:45 (two months ago) link

Yeah, and a little early for his humanist stuff as well. Good find.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 27 January 2020 00:08 (two months ago) link

I was watching that R40 video, and the full clips of Alex miming smoking a joint in the middle of "Tom Sawyer" is followed by him shaking his finger and mouthing the words "don't do drugs," and then he bobbles his head and mouths "well, maybe a little."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 02:52 (two months ago) link

"Geddy Lee: Music was changing, and radio was changing. Our access to great music – the way we were getting it on FM radio, for example – was dying and becoming more commercialised. The Spirit Of Radio carries that feeling, and I think that people related to that song because of the way the music industry was going. It wasn’t about love and getting laid, the typical rock stuff. So it was fresh. And there’s a very positive sound to that song as well. There’s a life to it.

Alex Lifeson: The opening riff in that song was based on the movement of radio waves. At least that was the idea!

Geddy Lee: The way that song changes from one style of music to another is to replicate an FM dial turning. Maybe it was too subtle. It makes me wonder if we should have been more obvious about it. Alex’s riff set the tone for that song. And while that riff was steadily blasting through, Neil (Peart) and I wrote these counterpoint punctuations all around it, started playing with the time signatures. We thought it was quite innovative. We recorded it live, using a sequencer, which in those days you had to manually program with switches, to get it to work that one time. So you couldn’t screw up."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 23:59 (two months ago) link

I've got to admit, Peart's death has really made me reassess how much this band has meant to me. I've never not been a fan, but thinking back, and getting older, I recognize what that means.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 January 2020 00:04 (two months ago) link


terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 January 2020 02:21 (two months ago) link

They were truly a lifer band in the best way. And honestly, I don't think any other band would have been able to write "Time Stand Still."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 January 2020 03:40 (two months ago) link

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 January 2020 05:17 (two months ago) link

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 February 2020 14:31 (two months ago) link


With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Sunday, 2 February 2020 15:26 (two months ago) link

Neil Peart used to race in the nutty 24 Hours of Lemons ("An endurance car racing series on dedicated road courses for $500 cars") under the name Bamm-Bamm Rubble:

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 23:48 (two months ago) link

Thought this was interesting:

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 22:05 (one month ago) link

Has anyone posted this yet?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 February 2020 23:42 (one month ago) link

LOL. Here's one that works.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 February 2020 23:43 (one month ago) link

Primus will pay homage to prog-rock legends Rush this summer with A Tribute to Kings, a cross-country tour that will feature the Bay Area trio playing Rush's classic 1977 album A Farewell to Kings in its entirety, in addition to their own music.

"A little over one year ago, Ler Lalonde and I started kicking the idea around of Primus performing a series of shows featuring an iconic Rush album from our youth," says bandleader Les Claypool. "Being that A Farewell to Kings was the first Rush record I ever heard, and that it contains my all-time favorite Rush tune, "Cygnus X1," the choice narrowed quickly. Years ago I had done something similar with Colonel Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade, when we covered Pink Floyd's Animals in its entirety. It was an insane amount of work, but ended up being one of the most enjoyable live endeavors I've ever done. Dubbing the tour 'Primus: A Tribute to Kings,' it was originally scheduled to be performed in the Fall of 2019 but, when we were asked to support Slayer on their Final Campaign, the 'Tribute to Kings' tour was postponed.

Geddy, Alex and Neil had been superheroes to Larry, Herb and I in our teens, so when we all became pals while touring together in the early '90s, we were pretty delighted; partially because of the musical geek-out factor but mostly because the three guys whom we had admired so much from afar, turned out to be truly great, down-to-earth humans, and like us, a tad eccentric.

The 'Tribute to Kings' tour will be just as it is implied, a respectful and loving tribute to three spectacular musicians, songwriters, legends and friends."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 18:43 (one month ago) link

I love the sentiment but tbh I cant think of anything I want less lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:08 (one month ago) link

play la villa strangiato you wimps

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:16 (one month ago) link

I saw Primus a couple years ago, and they played a bit of Cygnus X-1. I'm strongly tempted to go see this.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:19 (one month ago) link

what about the voice of geddy lee? sean lennon?

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:32 (one month ago) link

Does tbe singing have to sound like Geddy Lee?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:34 (one month ago) link

i wonder if les speaks like an ordinary guy

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 21:10 (one month ago) link

I know him, and he doesn't

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 21:21 (one month ago) link

Not sure Xanadu would be improved by the addition of slap bass.

the british empire's coming back, back back! (j/k) (Matt #2), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 22:21 (one month ago) link

Not sure i would expect that at all from Primus. Ive seen them do bits and pieces of various Rush tunes, and they are basically note for note copies. Granted, I have only ever heard them do instrumental segments.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 23:05 (one month ago) link

play la villa strangiato you wimps

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 23:13 (one month ago) link

I just read that there was a night in Vegas some years back when Rush and Primus were playing the same night, and both out of respect and as a courtesy to their fans, Primus pushed back the start time of their show so that their fans could go to see both bands. That's pretty cool.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 01:26 (one month ago) link

oh man what a great photo
how do we go there

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 02:48 (one month ago) link

Something almost uncanny valley about this:

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 February 2020 02:38 (one month ago) link

Dag, check out these nerds:

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 8 March 2020 14:50 (three weeks ago) link

Was thinking about Peart again, and considered something curious. He's a massively creative drummer, with unique fills, great snare work, cool hi-hat bits, trademark ride patterns. And yet, despite having a double bass set up for pretty much his entire career, he's not really known for any interesting double bass work, is he? Single bass drum stuff, sure, but double bass? Not so much.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:30 (two weeks ago) link

He used it a bit, but pretty rarely.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:54 (two weeks ago) link

assuming it was for the drum solos mostly?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 March 2020 00:13 (two weeks ago) link

One Little Victory starts with some double bass.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 March 2020 00:16 (two weeks ago) link

For sure. I know he did plenty of double bass stuff, but only in the most fleeting and perfunctory of ways. Whereas for a lot of other rock and hard rock (and of course metal) drummers, double bass gradually became the or at least a significant standard of drum virtuosity. Just surprised that Peart never incorporated more into his style.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 March 2020 00:17 (two weeks ago) link

Like, I just googled and found this Drum magazine piece on the evolution of double bass:

Under a picture of Peart is says "Neil Peart was among a new generation of rock drummers to bring more sophisticated techniques to the double-bass vernacular." Was he? I play drums and I like Rush and I can't exactly point to where he does this, not much.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 March 2020 00:20 (two weeks ago) link

I don't necessarily think he was ever chasing what other people perceived to be standard hard rock/metal "virtuosity"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 March 2020 00:21 (two weeks ago) link

Well, yeah, duh. Back to my initial post, though, Peart was pretty exemplary on every aspect of his kit *except* the double kick, which was weirdly conspicuous. Obviously it was important enough for him to have a double kick in the first place, so it's surprising it doesn't have a prominent place in his playing.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 March 2020 00:30 (two weeks ago) link

Their music hardly ever called for it? IMO. I credit that to his good responsive taste in ‘playing to’ Alex and Geddy’s music. I can’t think of many tunes in their discography where I feel double bass was ‘missing’, so to speak.

Master of Treacle, Monday, 16 March 2020 02:32 (two weeks ago) link

I totally agree. I'm not complaining or criticizing, wouldn't change a beat, just a notable facet (or lack thereof) in his playing. It's in there, of course, but usually just as fleeting parts of fills.

I mean, tbf, I think many drummers had or have giant kits for show. Peart actually used more of his kit than most. It was all there fore a reason, vs., say ...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 March 2020 02:56 (two weeks ago) link

XP If Cocaine Was A Drum Kit...

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 22 March 2020 03:42 (one week ago) link

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 March 2020 22:49 (six days ago) link

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