Rush: Classic or Dud?

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No one has asked this one yet (and I have a sneaking suspicion I know why, but I'll ask it anyway)...

What do you think of them crazy prog-rockin' Canadians, then? Super? Sucky? Somewhere in the middle? Please write your response in the form of a haiku.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Why I Like Rush: A Haiku" by Alex in NYC

Rush Rock Like No One Ex-Cept May-Be Pla-Ce-Bo Neil Peart, Wow, He's Good.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Rush -- i get high on

you and my spacey invade

ers get by on you

Mark, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hi points - the drum beat of "Tom Sawyer" (as everyone knows by now), & one of the best fake-Led-Zeppelins ever in "Working Man" (great gtr solo!). Other than that, they can go & read the complete works of Ayn Rand. (I'd rather attempt to eat the entire works of Ayn Rand).

duane, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hilarious fact abt Ayn Rand: when she went round in the 60s giving lectures on how unfettered capitalism was the BEST BEST BEST, she wd wear a black cape covered in gold $ signs!!

mark s, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

As a band: dud. As a rite of passage: classic.

scott p, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'd like Rush a lot more if they wore black capes covered with gold $ signs...

duane, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I think Rush sucks. Any band where the drummer writes the lyrics is bound to suck. Do you know what RUSH stands for? "Running Under Satan's House." I did learn something in school... "Anti-Christ Devil Child," "We Are Satan's People,""Knights in Satan's Service," etc.

andy, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

---------> "Je suis Le By-Tor."

"Non. Vous etes Le Chien d'Neige." <------------

"Les pommes frites! Mon dieu!!!"

Jean-Luc Godard, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

The good woman claims to like Rush, although I've never seen any evidence of this.

Dirty Vicar, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

The only Rush track I've heard is 'The Spirit of Radio' from 'The Permanent Waves alb (1980). It was the nearest thing Rush had to a hit single in the UK (top thirty?) Now I don't know what Canadian radio was like back when this single was released, but English pop radio at the time, which for me basically meant Radio One, was horrendous. The 'Breakfast Show' was the station's prime time biggie, only entrusted to Radio One's biggest 'personalities'/tossers - Noel Edmonds, Dave Lee Travis, Steve Wright, all endlessly yakking over the few pop hits they played in-between their 'banter'. So the lyrics to 'Spirit of Radio', clearly written to suck up to radio station DJs, were not only v. horrible, but also a million miles from the truth. Here's the opening verse:

"Begin the day with a friendly voice/A companion, unobtrusive/ Plays the song that's so elusive/And the magic music makes your morning mood"

Dud for that alone.

Andrew L, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

they were good before
Lee's voice dropped, and Lifeson
stopped using distortion

tarden, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Rush are r0x0r, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Check out the k-kewl sartorial elegance displayed on the back cover of "2112" if you don't believe me. Stylee! Neil Peart's RAD, d00d (etc etc)

x0x0

/<-r/-\/>, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I am proud to say that I once voted Rush the greatest band of the 80's. They had a lot of good moments, 'Xanadu' appeared in Tommy Vance's poll for the top ten rock tracks of all time throughout most of the 1980s. I think they peaked with 'The Weapon' on Signals (1982). They differed from their contemporaries in being more interested in playing around with the time-signature of their tracks. But ultimately, in an oft repeated pattern, instrumental virtuosity ceased to be musically interesting and just became self-indulgent.

Conor Kostick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

But ultimately, in an oft repeated pattern, instrumental virtuosity ceased to be musically interesting and just became self-indulgent.

Are you describing your personal development or that of the band? Because, if anything, the band got less and less showy as the years went on. "Counterparts" (the last one I heard) was even "grunge" influenced, allegedly. Rush was my favorite band all throughout high school.

Kris, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, it's supposed to be a HAIKU, people !

Guitar mag gruel
Less smart than it wants to be
Pretty harmless now

Hey, gimme a break, I've never written a haiku before.

Patrick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Stoner's favourite

'Tom Sawyer' plays through art class

Turn that shit off now!

suzy, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Geddy Lee = King of the Mullet People

Kim, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm in Canada I like said prog band less Than I did before

Dave M., Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Truly dreadful, they Give "chops", prog-rock a bad name. Two good songs* -- rest's dud.

*( I reluctantly but freely admit that both Tom Sawyer and YYZ are both decent songs.)

Phil, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Oh dear, where did my line breaks go...

Phil, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Childhood memories
Older brother worships them
Despite this, they ROCK

Dan Perry, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Repeated listens
Render it annoying, eh
Still, sentimental

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm so bored tonight that I'm reading vintage "classic or dud"'s, and I have to say that the stipulation of submitting answers in haiku format is pure, unhomogenized genius. More please!

Alex in NYC, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Objectivist Rock a la Ayn Rand = DUD!

Jack Cole, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Unhomogenised
Gen-i-us?" You would say that,
Since you started it!

Jeff W, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

BA da BA BA BA

da BA BA BA BA da-da

BA da BA BA BA...

Joe, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Neil Peart squeals, righteous in his Objectivist zeal but all their songs suck

Shaky Mo Collier, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Drummers Who Write songs
Didn't make Hüsker Dü suck
it was Geddy's voice.

Mr Noodles, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
They may be cheesy
But add rocking conviction
Who else but Rush eh?

piers (piers), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Rush sucks my big dick
Geddy lee is a scourge on Earth
prog rock motherfucks

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

more rush haikus please

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Andrew L missed the whole point of "Spirit of Radio"! TAO: Your second line would actually fit haiku conventions if you made it "Geddy is a scourge on Earth".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Fly by night limelight
Too many notes played at once
Blame's on Toronto

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:26 (seventeen years ago) link

thank you sweet sundar, you are correct. that is what i meant to do. *tries to awkwardly plant a kiss on sundar's cheek and is promptly slapped on the face* ouch.

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Ayn Rand prog rockin'
Canadian eunuch squeals
You people so dumb!

Confucius, Friday, 8 October 2004 06:13 (seventeen years ago) link

moving pictures has
the very worst cover art
which is such a shame

subdivisions rocks
which counters all that i've been
told about this band

the lyrics are too
obvious but what can you
expect from hosers?

derrick (derrick), Friday, 8 October 2004 06:38 (seventeen years ago) link

'Limelight' licks are great
'Signals' is a true classic
The rest smells like wee

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Once I crossed the street
Geddy Lee almost hit me
In his Land Rover

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:32 (seventeen years ago) link

CLASSIC as long as this man was Prime Minister:

http://www.clevernet.on.ca/pierre_trudeau/images/pic_trudeau_beer.jpg

DUD thereafter

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:45 (seventeen years ago) link

[...wish I coulda found a picture of him riding on a train & flipping off protesters thru the window!]

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Rush is good
for opening up my pooper
so other men can do me

Good Dog, Friday, 8 October 2004 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

. . . Or maybe not

Space-jazz-rock-tronic
If rednecks didn't like them
They'd be Kraftwerk-hip

Geddyvox

Less boy or girl than
Alien; Precise
Enunciation

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

fact checkin cuz to thread

sleep (sleep), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Songs(works) and arrangements: Classic
Lyrics and vocals: Dud

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Rush probably more than any other band....I don't think there BETTER than alot of bands, but they were a big part of my childhood....

Great band, I think.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Young Black Teenagers
Seeking the phattest of shit
Sample Tom Sawyer

dlp9001, Saturday, 9 October 2004 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link

has anyone seen the episode of "trailer park boys" where they kidnap alex liefson?
i gained new respect for the man after watching that.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no haiku to offer which I why I didn't say anything before. But great, of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i was at a party with some guys who were really entranced with some kind of video of stevie ray vaughn stranglin' the blues back in the '80s. doo-rags. these guys were such geeks, glued to the tube while there were girls to hit on and barbecue to scarf. then they got into "moving pictures," talking about the "production values" and saying things like "you can't deny the musicianship," while trying to be "ironic" about the whole stinkin' thing. typical night with people in nashville trying to be hip about not being hip or whatever that convolution is. then, everyone got drunk the host attempted to explain the shaggs to these geeks and everyone *listened hard and they got it*!! ahh. so, rush sucks and that's it, that's just like being "ironic" about kiss or worryin' about montgomery gentry, i think (as in the video where that goober takes off his cowboy hat to reveal an expensive-looking doo-rag/headwrap of some kind), and only the man upstairs can say whether rush is great or not...yes, rush did a record of covers i understand includes a version of eddie cochran's summertime blues done like blue cheer! so, they have roots like the rest of us, cuz.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

is it? the footage in Taking Center Stage is mostly taken from concerts

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 24 June 2021 20:15 (three months ago) link

and I'm pretty sure that includes a concert performance of "Subdivisions"

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 24 June 2021 20:15 (three months ago) link

Mix of concert and drum only. For each song, key grooves and fills are analyzed by Neil in an interview setting with Hudson's Joe Bergamini. For each groove and fill discussed, both full-speed and slow-motion drums-only demonstrations are included, coupled with PDF icons that allow the viewer to analyze and practice the patterns using the included PDF eBook. At the end of each song discussion, the viewer is transported onstage to a Rush concert to see the actual live performance of the song from the perspective of the drum cameras only (with an exclusive, custom audio mix that features the drums heard slightly louder than a normal concert DVD mix).

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 25 June 2021 00:10 (three months ago) link

right, the full songs are all from the concert

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 25 June 2021 00:57 (three months ago) link

Survived slave labour at Auschwitz, ran the town’s favourite variety store for decades, plugged for her bass-player son Gary who, because of her Yiddish pronunciation of his name, changed it to “Geddy” https://t.co/Eo1CJmdR42

— Doug Saunders (@DougSaunders) July 5, 2021

mookieproof, Monday, 5 July 2021 16:45 (three months ago) link

Awww, she was great in the Rush doc

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 5 July 2021 17:10 (three months ago) link

long, incredible life

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 July 2021 18:17 (three months ago) link

Thinking about Rush's parents, it's a sign of how separate the film and rock worlds are (in Canada, at least) that for years I had read about the documentary Come On Children, without anyone making the connection that young Alex Zivojinovich in the film had grown up to be one of the most famous musicians in the country. I remember reading an article about the filmmaker, Allan King, probably written in the 80s, which described Come On Children something like "a portrait of aimless youth, destined to make nothing of their lives". Even when there was an Allan King retrospective at TIFF, maybe around 2000, the Come On Children write-up mentioned Alex as a cast member, without making the Rush connection.
I mean, imagine a US analogue: if Frederick Wiseman had made a film starring a teenaged Tom Scholz, you'd never hear the end of it in the film's publicity.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 5 July 2021 18:39 (three months ago) link

think you might be overstating tom scholz's place in the public imagination

mookieproof, Monday, 5 July 2021 18:58 (three months ago) link

Lots of lovely direct memories of her on the memorial page:

https://benjaminsparkmemorialchapel.ca/MemorialBook.aspx?snum=137677&sid=206477

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 July 2021 02:45 (three months ago) link

four weeks pass...

There are people alive today who will be alive in the year 2112.

we thought that scene needed a little more conflict (Matt #2), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 18:32 (two months ago) link

Assuming anyone is by then I guess.

we thought that scene needed a little more conflict (Matt #2), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 18:32 (two months ago) link

the priests of the temples of Syrinx?

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 18:38 (two months ago) link

I'm hiding a guitar behind a nearby waterfall just in case.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 18:49 (two months ago) link

It strikes me that those guitar strings would have rusted being in a damp environment like that for a century.

we thought that scene needed a little more conflict (Matt #2), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 19:14 (two months ago) link

Maybe they were gut?

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 19:15 (two months ago) link

as much as I love 2112, spending several minutes on guitar tuning in the middle of your epic track is kind of a bad move. I'm glad they didn't replicate that part in concert.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 19:19 (two months ago) link

That was their Sarah Brand tribute.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 19:35 (two months ago) link

dude in 2112 is the fastest study on guitar in the history of the universe

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 19:36 (two months ago) link

won't you hear my music

(plays "Smoke on the Water" variants, with awkward silence between chord changes)

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 20:06 (two months ago) link

Can't remember, do they specify it's an electric guitar? Or could it be nylon stringed?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 20:07 (two months ago) link

chapman stick

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 20:08 (two months ago) link

It sounds like a clean-toned electric, there must have been an amp plugged in behind the waterfall as well.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 20:08 (two months ago) link

It's a little illogical to write a musical about a place and time where music is outlawed, and have the villains sing about how they hate music.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 20:10 (two months ago) link

look Hitler wasn't an Aryan

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 20:10 (two months ago) link

Haha I always just assumed it was a classical guitar.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 20:38 (two months ago) link

And I'm not going to argue that 2112 is airtight in its logic but I also thought the Priests are supposed to be chanting and screaming more than singing. (The distinction is debatable in musical terms but they wouldn't be the first religious group to make a distinction like that.)

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 20:45 (two months ago) link

lots of backpack rappers rap about how much they hate rap

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 20:56 (two months ago) link

I mean, I can hear that it's an electric; just thought it was standing in for an acoustic instrument.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 21:01 (two months ago) link

I thought it was an amplified electric standing in for an unplugged electric.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 21:07 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

Awesome.

BTW, Geddy has a memoir coming this ... spring?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 15:25 (one week ago) link

"How Did My Voice Get So High?: A Memoir"

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 11 October 2021 17:09 (one week ago) link

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUFgwgYAZYs/

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 17:44 (one week ago) link

So, how did I kill time during the pandemic? Little did I know that as of March 2020 I'd be locked down for over a year and a half—the longest time I'd spent in Toronto since I was nineteen and hit the Northern Ontario bar circuit with Rush.

Although Nancy and I had to cancel a bunch of adventures we'd been planning, there were some shiny silver linings to be found at home: teaching my grandson the finer points of baseball and birdwatching, tending to my pups (one of whom was quite ill) and spending the evenings with my lovely better half, glass of Armagnac in hand, as we watched every European mystery show ever produced. Oh, and another thing: I began to write. Words, that is.

My friend and collaborator on the Big Beautiful Book of Bass, Daniel Richler, saw how I was struggling in the aftermath of Neil's passing, and tried coaxing me out of my blues with some funny tales from his youth, daring me to share my own in return. So I did—reluctantly at first, but then remembering, oh yeah, I like wrestling with words. It's a less physical version of arguing with musical notes, without a Ricky doubleneck breaking my back! And soon my baby-step stories were becoming grownup chapters. Being the nuclear obsessive that I am, I'd write and re-write them, reassessing perspectives in the narrative not just by scouring my memory banks but my diaries and piles of photo albums too. I was piecing together a mystery of a different kind.

I'd then send these improved and even illustrated stories to Daniel, who'd clean up some of the grammar and remove a lot of the swearing (I love to fucking swear), and presto! In a voice that sounded, well, just like me, a presentable, epic-length account of my life on and off the stage was taking shape: my childhood, my family, the story of my parents' survival, my travels and all sorts of nonsense I've spent too much time obsessing over. And Daniel said, "I think you're writing a book. An actual memoir, in fact." To which I replied, “Hmm… I guess I am.”

I'm rounding third on this as-of-yet untitled memoir, which will be published by HarperCollins, edited by Noah Eaker, and is scheduled for release in Fall 2022.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 17:45 (one week ago) link

I saw that they had done that but really the OSU band did an amazing job, it was even better than I would have expected. Quite a bit of subtext in the moves of the group like when they formed up the motorcycle during the Limelight section. Very well done.

earlnash, Monday, 11 October 2021 17:51 (one week ago) link

Ohio State marching band doesn't mess around.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 17:57 (one week ago) link

That was really impressive but what is the story behind why they did this? Does this university or this band director have some kind of history related to Rush? They're in Columbus, not Cleveland, right? I can't even imagine something like this happening at a Toronto university. Version of "YYZ" with all the drums was awesome.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 11 October 2021 19:14 (one week ago) link

The stick-figure Peart hitting a cymbal was insane.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 11 October 2021 19:17 (one week ago) link

Never underestimate the love of Neil Peart by drum corp nerds. That whole drum corp world is a kinda wild musical culture that I think the wider world often does not know about. Tommy Lee of Motley Crue was in one.

OSU's marching band is one of the best of that ilk. In those band circles, just a top level thing as playing for OSU's football team by comparison.

earlnash, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:33 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I even hear a lot of these people get recruited by North Korea after they graduate.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:34 (one week ago) link

I never was in marching band but I have been to one of those big football stadium DCI competitions. The fans into that thing are as bloodthirsty in their own way as any football or Nascar fan. Totally weird scene.

earlnash, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:38 (one week ago) link

A different Big Ten school, but was casual friends with a couple of marching band guys. Yeah, it was a wild culture shock hanging out at their parties (only rivaled the one rugby team party I somehow ended up at in terms of pure debauchery), it's a whole big lifestyle thing. Though the guys I knew were more into Ween and mushrooms than Rush.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 11 October 2021 19:40 (one week ago) link

I have friends whose daughter plays in the band at Indiana, and yeah, it's practically a varsity sport, in terms of competition, commitments and esteem.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:45 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I even hear a lot of these people get recruited by North Korea after they graduate.

"Hang On Sloopy" is the American "Arirang".

New York Review of Wooks (swim), Monday, 11 October 2021 21:10 (one week ago) link

Never underestimate the love of Neil Peart by drum corp nerds.

Can confirm

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 11 October 2021 21:46 (one week ago) link

That whole drum corp world is a kinda wild musical culture that I think the wider world often does not know about. Tommy Lee of Motley Crue was in one.

Billy Cobham, too.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 11 October 2021 21:52 (one week ago) link

how about 5:40 in that video when I thought they were messing up their lines walking inward, then realised they were animating "YYZ" as spinning letters ...

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 11 October 2021 22:45 (one week ago) link

I know this wasn't what they were going for, but I'd like to think the shapes that they were forming at the very beginning were a bunch of 1s and 0s meant as a subtle reference to "The Body Electric"

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 11 October 2021 22:58 (one week ago) link

also was hoping the major was going to run into the middle of the star formation and do the naked Rush dude pose

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 11 October 2021 22:59 (one week ago) link


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