Wire: i just don't get it

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why is so much love and respect bestowed upon the mediocre art-punk group wire? i've listened to them twice now in the past year or so. the guitars are muddy and make boring noises and are not at all angular, brittle and vital as they are so often described. the vocals sound like a west london yob locked in the toilets at the roxy with danny baker (this is not a good thing). i guess that 'i am the fly' song is ok. any thoughts? make me like 'em, go on.

schnell schnell, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Their strength is exactly in making brutal, yobbish, basic guitar music with an art veneer - the more xperimental stuff has aged a lot less well I think. They're kind of the Steven Berkoff of rock except I like them.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I've only had the first three albums for a couple of months, but the handful of times I've played them I've really enjoyed them. That's about it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:47 (sixteen years ago) link

...I've tried with Wire, too, and I find them drab in the extreme.

Another band whose overstocks seem to overshadow their sales..... consistently TERRIBLE artwork, too.

russ t, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:51 (sixteen years ago) link

what russ t. said, but with reference to wire the magazine rather than wire the group ahem.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:53 (sixteen years ago) link

The uni has a subscription to Wire, so I nick all the free CDs.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm reporting you.

stevo (stevo), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:03 (sixteen years ago) link

No one listens to 'em but me!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:07 (sixteen years ago) link

what are the "comeback" albums bell/cup, manscape, drill, beginning/back/again like ?

what about solo colin newman ?

george gosset (gegoss), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:15 (sixteen years ago) link

i agree...

i tried to like them, i guess my feelings were tarnished by hearing the dreadful "kidney bingos" record in the 80's.... i tried some of the earlier stuff and thought it was so uninteresting.

The swim stuff was also pretty terrible.... piss poor bandwagon-jumping attempts at drum and bass - from someone who obviously knew nothing about the genre

Dome on the other hand i quite liked.

jack battery-pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Comeback albums: Ideal Copy is good, pretty much nails the 'new' Wire sound and the subsequent releases don't really go anywhere though they all have a couple of good tracks. "Kidney Bingos" is Wire trying to do pretty indiepop and I rather like it. Never heard "The Drill" and I think I only played "The First Letter" once. "Read And Burn" I think is terrific - it's post-punk's "Love And Theft"!

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I was just thinking how grebt it is that wire use words like 'calibrate' in their lyrics.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm glad of this thread. Wire is a band I also hear cited up to the eyeballs and they had taken on some mythic Velvets-like status in my mind. If responses here don't perk up a bit I spose i'll just avoid em altogether shall I? They sound awful.

mick hall, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't know - they're probably still better than most of the bands you like or their detractors like, but I think it's a good idea to strip out "mythic status" and expect cold and belligerent and intelligent but fairly basic rock music.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:37 (sixteen years ago) link

"henrieta collins" cover of ex-lion tamer is good, but i never heard the original -- on the other hand 12XU, it's some sort of joke, right ? satire ? trojan horse ?

george gosset (gegoss), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:38 (sixteen years ago) link

''They sound awful.''

what is so awful about their sound?

12XU is FUN!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:38 (sixteen years ago) link

'Ideal Copy' was pinnacle of the 'arty band says "we're so smart we'll beat the people who got rich off us at their own pop game" and failing, due to basic faulty premise behind consistent idee fixe among arty smart types that (a) THEIR innovations have led to new-for-pop-terrain pop)(b)(pop-terrain inhabitants ever even noticed what the innovators were innovating, ie certain ppls endless arguments to the effect 'house music came from Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire' etc etc)' genre, but is still a pleasant listen. (Now that the word 'influence' is under indefinite probation/house-arrest let's get to work on the OTHER 'i' word, 'innovation'! What a bullshit concept. "I've never heard/done this before so neither has anybody? What, they did? Well they probably did it by accident and 'nobody' noticed!")

dave q, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:43 (sixteen years ago) link

If Wire is 'art' then 12XU is the key to it I think - the fact that they keep obsessively returning to it, playing it live, refining it, building it up and stripping it down - "Here it is...again" - they did a similar think later w/"Drill" of course.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:43 (sixteen years ago) link

b-b-b-b-b-b-but Outdoor Miner?

chris (chris), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:44 (sixteen years ago) link

The A List is a good comeback-Wire comp, BTW - picked by the fans so none of the rubbish gets on. That and a download of "You Hung Your Lights In The Trees" should see anyone right.

"Outdoor Miner" is luvly and would have been a hit had a nervous EMI not tried to fix the charts!

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:45 (sixteen years ago) link

The conventional position on Wire is right for once. You only need the first 3 albums.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:47 (sixteen years ago) link

(Way to advance your Wire career, Marcello ;)

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:49 (sixteen years ago) link

ahahahahahaha you've listened to them TWICE and you don't like them??? My GOD they must be CRAP.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 13:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I would agree that the first 3 albums are the ones to get. I think Pink Flag is a classic, because it takes the punk rock idea of reducing rock and roll to its minimal elements to the extreme. The songs have a verse, a chorus, and then they're over. No solos, no 5-minute songs, not even any real "riffs." I don't know if 12XU is satire, but Mr. Suit is def. a pisstake of other punk bands. Chairs Missing and 154 aren't as classic to me, but they're certainly good, and are interesting in that they show how quickly Wire evolved/changed, instead of repeating themselves. The criticisms on this thread seem mostly to be saying that they weren't what people expected, which isn't really a valid criticism.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:11 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't know if I could convince anybody, but Wire have been and continute to be my favorite band, for years upon years now. There's very few things I can remember hearing back when I was 12 that still have any kind of impact on me now, and Wire is one of those few things.

hstencil, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link

The conventional position on Wire is right for once. You only need the first 3 albums.

agreed - but i think the read & burn EPs are pretty key, too. i had a major wire epiphany a few months ago; i'd thought they were ok when i'd given pink flag/154 a listen each when i was 17, but then seeing them live + buying chairs missing (now one of my fave albums ever) showed me the way.

i think chairs missing is prob the way into wire, btw; it gets the pop/experimental balance just right.

(actually i think the *real* way into wire = via fischerspooner's cover of "the 15th" and the revulva cover of "i am the fly". seriously.)

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I haven't heard read & burn yet. Will look out for it.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Albums? Surely Wire are best understood as a singles band?

Mannequin / 12XU; I Am The Fly; Dot Dash; Outdoor Miner; A Question Of Degree; Map Ref 41N 93W: there aren't many acts to rival that run.

I really like the first 3 LPs too, though, even if I do think of Wire as better over 2-10 minutes than over 20-40. And I've always thought of the re-formed Wire as a different band in whom I'm not much interested.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I think the idea of Wire I have in my head appeals to me more than the actual music. If anybody ever asked me what I thought of them I'd be wildly enthusiastic but I only ever have short periods here and there where I actually feel like listening to their records.

Ferg (Ferg), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:43 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm almost certain the first Wire song I heard was R.E.M.'s cover of "Strange" on Document. Then, not too long afterwards, "Eardrum Buzz" got a moderate rotation on MTV. I found cassette copies of the first three albums for $1 each in cut-out rack. But at that young stage of my musical listening career, they didn't agree with what I had been listening to, and I filed them away and concentrated on liking IBTABA. Around the time of Elastica's first album, they were getting mentions again. I pulled out those three tapes I'd bought about 5 years before, and they sounded completely different than on previous listens. I was looking less for instant hooks and glossy production, and more for energy and attitude (which Pink Flag, at least, has in droves). I even went through a short period of dismissing the 80's records as fluff, but later recanted.

Now, it's the 00's, and every Wire album I've heard is appealing to me in some manner. Even the somewhat splotchy and repetitive Read & Burn eps...

Hasn't it been said that Newman's A-Z was essentially the fourth Wire album, but without the rest of the band? It sure sounds that way.

paul cox (paul cox), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I didn't like Pink Flag the first couple of times I heard it, circa 1985. Now it is one of my favorite albums, period. They get the "arty, angular" bit a lot, and they deserve it, especially of late. But on those first three total-classic albums and the accompanying singles, they also took care with more mundane rock pleasures like interesting arrangements and textures, memorable melodies and choruses (witness the downright Clash-y shoutalong on the aforementioned "Dot Dash"), smart lyrics, background vocals (check out "Mannequin" from Pink Flag"), etc. There's no rule that says you have to love them, but I would urge you to listen again.

That said, despite many fervent hopes and willing listens, I find everything they've done since ultimately disposable. A lot of it's pretty good and very interesting, but I can live without it.

Lee G (Lee G), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I love Wire far too much to understand how anyone could dislike them. Poor old me, eh? 'A-Z' is GREAT, but SHIT this weekend we got one at halfprice for $7 then found it in an opshop for ONE DOLLAR. Jesus. Now it's a present though, so this miserable tale ends happily, for someone else anyway.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I love Wire probably more than any other band. First three albums RULE. As does Read & Burn...

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Wire are TERRIBLE!

chris sallis, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link

wire = snooze

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link

The gnomic seagull that is me looks upon Chris's statement and cries.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Chris and jaymc are fucking idiots!

Hey, you're right, making unsubstantiated comments is a lot easier than making thoughtful and useful points.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:03 (sixteen years ago) link

And it's fun!

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

The "fun" canard rears its ugly head on ILM, once again.

hstencil, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Seriously, though, I've listened to "Pink Flag" like three times, and it hasn't really done much for me. I think it's just too minimal for me. For instance, whereas "Three Girl Rhumba" goes "BUM-ba-dum-bum, BUM-ba-dum-bum," the Elastica song goes "BUM-ba-dum-bum, BUM-ba-dum-bum, WEE-oh, WEE-oh!"

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually, the Elastica goes "BUM-ba-dum-bum, BUM-ba-dum-bum, BUM-ba-dum-bum, Dee dee dee dee."

So what yr saying is Elastica > Wire?

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes. Elastica would be nowhere without Wire, granted, but "Elastica" > "Pink Flag."

(By the way, hstencil, when are we ever going to get around to that Trivial Pursuit match I challenged you to a year ago? That's right -- guess who I am.)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I vigorously protest against Jaymc's greater than comparison. I am too tired to do otherwise at present.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Hmmm. I'm not making friends too quickly on ILM, am I?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link

John? Hey, news flash: I don't live in Chicago anymore! Looks like you'll have to come out to NYC for me to kick your ass in Trivial Pursuit!

hstencil, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link

No no, stick to your guns, that's a good thing. :-) It's just that I don't think Elastica ever did much of worth; others disagree.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Jaymc, don't worry about it, people here are usually pretty rational about distinguishing between disliking a person and disliking their opinions. I'm not taking this too seriously.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Wire were the first band from which I ordered CD's from the Internet before listening anything by that band. So it was a shot in the dark, really. When Pink Flag arrived, I put it on, and when I heard Reuters, I took my money as well spent. Even if I don't like all the songs the same, I hold it as a classic. Never has punk been so succint and objective. I didn't heard any of the albums from the second phase yet, but I've listened to Read & Burn 01, which I take as a return to form. I second Toby on the Chairs Missing preference, as the more balanced of the debut trilogy.

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link

...so succint...

That's one of the many things I love about that album. Listen to "Field Day for the Sundays." It's 28 seconds long, but has a bridge, hook, and chorus, and sticks in your head like peanut butter sticks to your teeth. It is precisely as long as it needs to be. It takes something special, I think, some deep insight, to be able to understand that a song only needs to be 28 seconds long.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Kenan = totally OTM.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link

why aren't they punk?

Because hstencil doesn't like punk, but he likes Wire.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I like some punk, but I love Wire.

Past Pink Flag there's some stuff that isn't doctrinaire-by-the-books-musical-punk (i.e. three chords and shouting). This is a good thing! And I love Pink Flag too.

hstencil, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link

''why aren't they punk?''

not this again.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:29 (sixteen years ago) link

doctrinaire-by-the-books-musical-punk (i.e. three chords and shouting)

that's punk? a subset maybe . . .

also, julio, yes THAT again.

jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link

wire is okay... i think PINK FLAG is by far the most over-rated of the first 3. i like colin newman's songs best. "the 15th", "map ref", "12XU".

ps: jack cole, please sign in to the new league, pretty pretty please!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:35 (sixteen years ago) link

i will, gygax

also, hstencil likes "punk" if you just dont tell him it's "punk" -- see Deerhoof. (wink and a tickle for h).

jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link

jack I don't wanna open a can of worms here but yeah I don't think of them as punk in the "doctrinaire-by-the-books-musical-punk (i.e. three chords and shouting)" subset, as you call it. At the time of Pink Flag, that was the dominant mode. They excelled in it, but then went on to do other stuff, which is "punk" in the greater sense of the word, but not in the empirical sense.

I guess you don't want that Pagans boot after all, huh punk?

hstencil, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link

hstencil's just mad cuz he got booted out of the parkside lounge in 1997 for not tipping on the PBR cans for $1.25.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

dude, you are so wrong. I don't like the Parkside 'cause the owner recently told the Poodles not to play "any of that moshpit shit" (di390 to thread!).

hstencil, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link

um, H that was my point -- Wire is punk in the greater sense and not the narrow, cartoon sense of the narrower subset.

jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I know jack but that was my point too!

hstencil, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link

in the greater sense and not the narrow, cartoon sense of the narrower subse

this will be useful later, methinks

i've woken up to mass madness all over ilx...wire roxx u r all gay

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

No No No No No No Mr.Suit!

I actually picked up Pink Flag by Wire a few weeks ago. I really like it.

Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Parkside Lounge rocketh.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 02:11 (sixteen years ago) link

I'll defend Pink Flag to the end, but the rest of their career it hit'n'miss enough (with Chairs Missing being the only one I'd really vote more hit than miss) that I can understand people claiming they're overrated (haven't heard the new stuff). Pink Flag is punk sonics, but even from the beginning these guys were all about SOUND and FORM, they're the reason the word art-punk was invented. I mean, I don't know SHIT about Colin Newman despite despite. True sons of Eno.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 02:20 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, I love them. Colin Newman's _A-Z_ is outstanding, kind of a _154_ Part Two. _Pink Flag_ is definitely my least favorite of the first three, although its highs *really* scrape sky.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 26 February 2003 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Marcello...ahem.... Wire magazine? Never heard of it.
I was talking about Wire the group. And their appalling sleeve designer.
But then.... you knew that, didn't you?

russ.t, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Pink Flag is the only one I didn't like: electric gee-tars, grimy sounds, punk-yob sympathies.
Chairs Missing was getting good - clearer, more varied sounds, pop geometry, and of course the beautiful 'Uphill Gardener'....
154 is Magnificent - from aching and knowing disillusionment of 'I should have known better', to the sublimely eerie '40 Versions', via fury, bad dreams, pop psychedelia, insane romanticism, off-the-wall sardonic grins, calm and resigned and reassured disappointment...I can even forgive it the clattering mess that is 'once is enough'

I really like the '87 - '90 period albums: the one track I've heard from Read & Burn I was very disappointed by.

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link

What does "punk-yob sympathies" mean?

Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 18:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Nick A - people are pretty good at disagreeing with opinions and not the person are they? Well why did you call me and Jaymc "fucking idiots"? Surely you should have phrased that "Jaymc and Chris are expressing idiotic opinions"?

Or am I taking things to seriously - or are you?

chris sallis, Wednesday, 26 February 2003 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Colin Newman's _A-Z_ is outstanding, kind of a _154_ Part Two

is this still in print?? amazon seems to think not. it sounds absolutely key, anyway.

i listened to the read & burn eps on the tube earlier and stand by my claim that they're essential too.

Albums? Surely Wire are best understood as a singles band?
Mannequin / 12XU; I Am The Fly; Dot Dash; Outdoor Miner; A Question Of Degree; Map Ref 41N 93W: there aren't many acts to rival that run.

tim's v otm; this probably is the way to get into them.

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link

...what's the Colkin Nrewman single from the late 80s where, on the sleeve, you see the bakcof his head in a black jacket playing with some clock/pendulum like thing? I do love that single.... was it something...."Hearing'?

russ t, Thursday, 27 February 2003 10:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Chris, I was adopting your method of expressing yourself on purpose to try and show how annoying it is. I wouldn't say that you and Jaymc were expressing idiotic opinions, because that wasn't my problem. I disagree with your opinions, but I don't think they're idiotic. What I had a problem with was making generalized derogatory opinions with no reasons for why you felt that way, which contributes nothing to the discussion.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 27 February 2003 14:34 (sixteen years ago) link

i dig them, aspecially the 154 great post-punk fun. i just don't like it when Graham Lewis sings.

rex jr., Thursday, 27 February 2003 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Lewis' singing on 154 is HORRID

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 February 2003 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

It is?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 February 2003 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Man, I like his singing on 154!

hstencil, Thursday, 27 February 2003 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link

How does it much differ from his singing on any other Wire song, Tom ?
(What songs do you like his singing on)

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Thursday, 27 February 2003 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, Graham Lewis is the Klingon of Wire, after all. From 154 and after, he tries too hard to be majestic and dark, and I can understand his singing style rubbing people the wrong way.

I love his compositions and was a big He Said fan, but man sometimes his voice on certain songs is just one big bad idea... i.e. "Ambitious"

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 27 February 2003 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Is he the one droning 'rrrape' over and over in the background at the end of Reuters?

Ferg (Ferg), Thursday, 27 February 2003 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I think that's just multi-tracked Newman, but I dunno for sure.

I can't imagine Colin Newman singing "Ambitious."

hstencil, Thursday, 27 February 2003 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I would not like to imagine ANYBODY in Wire singing "Ambitious". I absolutely love Wire, but this song could have not existed, and I think the world would still be happy. :)

I think Lewis's vocals works better ovreall with 80s Wire.. like with "It's Beginning To And Back Again", and He Said, obviously. But I agree "Should Have Known Better" and "A Touching Display" are great.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 27 February 2003 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, I think Lewis's vocal style was eerily foreshadowing of a lot of the New Zealand rock to come out a year after.. Gordons, This Kind Of Punishment, Pin Group, etc. (aside from the Joy Division and Fall influences of course)

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 27 February 2003 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

I would not like to imagine ANYBODY in Wire singing "Ambitious". I absolutely love Wire, but this song could have not existed, and I think the world would still be happy. :)

*sniff* I wouldn't be happy!

I love "Should Have Known Better," his voice is great on that.

Hahaha, Pin Group! Love that Siltbreeze CD. Roy Montgomery sounds more like late M. Gira to me on it, but it's close enough to Graham too. Have you heard his Wire cover?

hstencil, Thursday, 27 February 2003 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link

They were pretty bad at ATP last year. Mostly drab newish material delivered in a inelegant, semi-slick, techno-metal style. Graham Lewis' mike wasn't working for the early part of the set, which might've been a blessing in disguise, 'cos I agree w/ Tom abt the horrible singing on 154 - the unacceptable face of the punk-prog crossover.

Some of the lyrics on the first three recs are exceptional - 'Ex-Lion Tamer', 'Single K.o.' etc etc.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 27 February 2003 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Hahaha, Pin Group! Love that Siltbreeze CD. Roy Montgomery sounds more like late M. Gira to me on it, but it's close enough to Graham too. Have you heard his Wire cover?

Unfortunately, no. I listened to Roy Montgomery a lot when every underground rock band needed to do an "Outdoor Miner" cover, so maybe I did, and it got lost along all the other Wire covers lobbed at me at the time.. heh.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 27 February 2003 23:45 (sixteen years ago) link

It's actually a cover of "Used To" and it's on the singles comp. Hmm...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 February 2003 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Russ T, is the Newman single yr after "Feigned Hearing"? It's on the lp "Commercial Suicide", another good Newman record. Actually, all four I have are good

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 28 February 2003 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Speaking of Newman, is there a thread anywhere to discuss all of the other side projects of Wire members between the incarnations of the group? I managed to find a copy of 8 Time by Lewis and Gilbert in the used bin the other day, and after a bit of research I just realized that Dome and Duet Emmo were also Wire offshoots (something I probably knew once upon a time).

Why don't people talk about these other projects more? It strikes me as odd that Wire is so revered (rightly) and yet most people can't be arsed to even mention this stuff most of the time, especially since a lot of it is of a piece with the more experimental Wire material.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link

you've all formulated some very interesting and sophisticated arguments to why one should revere the art-punk band wire
unfortunately some posters actively avoided answering the question, and although attempting to tackle some broader postulations regarding the meaning of 'punk' and the group's relationship to 'punk' which by itself would recieve merit, in this context it is sadly unwelcomed.
all in all, a well written and entertaining thread; B-

schnell schnell, Monday, 3 March 2003 17:30 (sixteen years ago) link

kill yourself.

roger adultery, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 07:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I mean you don't even like Wire

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 5 March 2003 11:56 (sixteen years ago) link

sixteen years pass...

Right, never mind all that..

Here is a crowd funder for a Wire documentary, one day left and close to the ummmm wire.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/wirefilm

Have a butchers, see what happens!

Mark G, Sunday, 8 September 2019 12:32 (one week ago) link

Christ, early ILM was insufferable...

Soundslike, Sunday, 8 September 2019 13:13 (one week ago) link

I threw em some greenbacks. So close!

but everybody calls me, (lukas), Monday, 9 September 2019 02:00 (six days ago) link

I like Wire in the most clich├ęd way (first 3 and Read/Burn/Send) but people really need to be discouraged from making music documentaries.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 9 September 2019 02:49 (six days ago) link

yeesh at ppl upthread saying elastica was better

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 9 September 2019 03:15 (six days ago) link

They got there, anyway.

Mark G, Monday, 9 September 2019 19:13 (six days ago) link

who are all these upthread losers

akm, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 03:15 (five days ago) link

... Belle & Sebastian fans - enough said?

people really need to be discouraged from making music documentaries.

OTM. I would hope Wire might do some different with this one though.

Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 06:50 (five days ago) link


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