What is the darkest/hardest music you like?

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And when I say like I guess I mean "own." I guess for me it's probably the Jesus Lizard. But I really like Mastodon, too.

Famous Athlete, Monday, 24 February 2003 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link

nausenblauten

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 February 2003 04:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Little Marcie.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 04:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Scorn, maybe?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 24 February 2003 04:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got Seasons in the Abyss by Slayer around here somewhere, and, even though it's been some time since I've heard it, I really do like it.

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 24 February 2003 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link

everyone should download nausenblauten's "cocksucker" right now...it's a thing of beauty and joy forever

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 February 2003 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm listening to Mario Nascimbene's music from the movie "Doctor Faustus" - the CD has the sound of Richard Burton screaming for Mephistopheles, ghostly voices and different slowed-down gongs, so I'm thinking this might be about right.

tom (other), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess a lot of the hardcore i like, i.e. Racebannon, Blood Brothers, Yaphet Kotto, Antioch Arrow, etc.

never could get into grindcore and the like.

and it's become pretty standardized by the indie community, but i often wonder what outside people would think of Spiderland, or even any Slint. i bet most people would think i was kinda fucked for digging it.

colin mcelligatt, Monday, 24 February 2003 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd probably have to say Skinny Puppy. To be honest, I'm not even sure I "like" them but they always make for compelling listening. Few bands actually give me shivers.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Whitehouse, V/Vm's non-hack stuff

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

The hardest I own? I've darker stuff on my computer, but actual CD-wise, it doesn't get any darker or harder than White Zombie, Nine Inch Nails or Megadeth.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm, Coltrane's Ascension? I used to listen to a lot of death metal but even that wasn't so extreme, except for maybe real early Slayer and Strapping Young Lad.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 24 February 2003 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link

naked city, maybe? i haven't listened in ages so i forget what its like. noisiest "rock" may v. well be Unrest's "Kustom Karnal etc."

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 24 February 2003 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Darkest: Slayer, Nile
Hardest: Dropdead, The Locust, Prurient

Dave Fischer, Monday, 24 February 2003 07:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Mogwai Fear Satan.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

hmmm...butthole surfers "locust abortion technician"

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Melt BANANA!

Lynskey (Lynskey), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

THE BIRTHDAY PARTY
The Fall
Big Black
"six six sixties" by Throbbing Gristle
"Vanadium I Ching" by Einstürzende Neubauten etc etc...

rex jr., Monday, 24 February 2003 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm, Coltrane's Ascension?

no.

I used to listen to a lot of death metal but even that wasn't so extreme,[...]

then you need to listen to gorguts' _obscura_, goddamit.

as an aside, this marks the fifth time today i've seen someone say that"(x free jazz album) is MORE INTENSE than (whatever metal they listened to in high school)."

your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

what about that last side of the alan silva's celestrial communications orch thingy

zemko (bob), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:01 (eighteen years ago) link

the best nausenblauten song has got to be "rotterdam takes it up the arse" again, very beautiful

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:16 (eighteen years ago) link

whitehouse and swans. (not that i listen to them much these days)

jack batterypack (Jack Battery-Pack), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Not as hard in the sense of this thread's direction, but DJ Assault goes against everything I believe in, and I LOVE him!

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Jess, Bloody Fist also did a song called "Cock Sucker" (two words), and it is also a thing of beauty etc.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The new Willie Nelson Demos collection on Sugar Hill, it doesn't get any darker than these. The pure sound of loneliness.
Not very hard though. That would probably be, uh, my Einsturzende Neubauten live disc.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Panacea - _Low Profile Darkness_ and several God albums.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Fredrik Thordendal’s Special Defects
Don Caballero
Swans
Can

christoff (christoff), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

don't really like anything to hard (sleep? wooly mammoth?).

i really like dark stuff, though. cave's murder ballads leaps to mind as does most stuff by johnny dowd. johnny cash and other practicioners of the classic american lyrical style have the murder ballad thing doen, too.

a good thread might be top 100 murder ballads.

jq higgins, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

gabber

robin (robin), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Anything by the Carpenters.

Rommel Cox, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

probably a warning tape pack i have from ca. 97 featuring jumping jack frost, dj rap, dj hype, brockie, mampi swift et al

schnell schnell, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Kenny G. That makes me want to score open my arteries.

But for dark/difficult, I'd say J. S. Bach. It drove Glenn Gould near insane.

Of guitar bands, I once had a tune on a mix-tape I'd been given called 'Wild Couple' that was extremely noisy and enraged. (I'd appreciate knowing who the band was if someone knows. I remember the recurring line 'Don't they make a wild couple!' It may be a band familiar to indie kids .. the rest of the mixtape was stuff like Sonic Youth, Lou Barlow, Pavement, Palace Bros.)

mick hall, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Slayer, System of a Down, Killing Joke, oodles of Buckethead projects as well as Mike Patton projects, Black Sabbath, Wagner, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, good lord I didn't realize I listened to this much heavy music!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 24 February 2003 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Darkest hip hop album I own and like:
Rubberoom--"Architechnology"

oops (Oops), Monday, 24 February 2003 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I forgot about Liquid Swords...that album is darker than shade!

(Another good really "dark" Wu Tang-affiliated album is the Ghost Dog soundtrack.)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 24 February 2003 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm pretty sure bloody fist and nasenbluten are the same guy under different names, thus "cocksucker" is the same track...

your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 24 February 2003 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I have lots of Napalm Death, Panacea and Digital Hardcore stuff. Also UltraViolence/Johnny Violent.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

is "dark" the same as "stupid boring crap"?

duane, Monday, 24 February 2003 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link

is "stupid boring crap" the same as "doesn't fit my tastes"?

oops (Oops), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

''Hmmm, Coltrane's Ascension?
no.

I used to listen to a lot of death metal but even that wasn't so extreme,[...]

then you need to listen to gorguts' _obscura_, goddamit.

as an aside, this marks the fifth time today i've seen someone say that"(x free jazz album) is MORE INTENSE than (whatever metal they listened to in high school)."''

hahaha!!!

yeah...there's not too much that's hard abt good ol' heavy metal (doesn't mean its bad or anything but a lot of heavy metal is sold on the 'its so hard' but there I am being bored by it all) but some free jazz stuff can really split heads and they were prob not even trying to do 'be hard' or any of that crap. oh, the ironing.

I don't think a lot of music that could be classified as 'hard' is 'hard'. its not abt difficulty in listening or anything. a lot of music presents a challenge and i try to engage with it and even if it appears unlistenable on the surface isn't really.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

no i just mean i find most things that are supposed to be "dark" to be mere goofy gestures. '"stupid boring crap" i admit was not the most cogent critical bla bla bla

duane, Monday, 24 February 2003 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Loop hit the sweet spot of being the darkest music I can enjoy and take seriously.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

what's possibly "serious" about LOOP?!

duane, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Dark (in the moody depressing way): Burzum, FILOSOFEM

Dark (in the heavy by borderline goofy way): Sleep, SLEEP'S HOLY MOUNTAIN; JERUSALEM

Dark (in the reflecting the tormented human soul) Johnny Cash, take yer pick


jodi shapiro (burun), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Merzbow: too many to mention. Rainbow Electronics is a favourite though.
Hanatarash 3.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

hard: waveform transmission era jeff mills, probably.
dark: joy division, possibly.

michael wells (michael w.), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't find most Merzbow dark, but rather playful. Call me crazy.

jodi shapiro (burun), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess maybe charles manson's "LIE" is....or the reasons i get any kind of frisson or whatev off it are...."dark" in this sense....OK is "dark" the same as "creepily prurient"?

duane, Monday, 24 February 2003 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

you're fucking MAD jodi but I love anyway.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Swans

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

what does you all know of dark and hard?

you know not a thing until your ears haved bathed in aural blackness. of wolfen type.

Vas Djifrens, Sunday, 27 September 2009 01:46 (twelve years ago) link

become lycanthrope, and you shall see into the dark as if it was a new breed of air for you cancerous lung.

Vas Djifrens, Sunday, 27 September 2009 01:47 (twelve years ago) link

fear not the darkness, better yet fear but embrace the darkness. and the hardness. embrace it.

Vas Djifrens, Sunday, 27 September 2009 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

conner Djifrens

kiss me thru the faggot burgerphone (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 27 September 2009 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

I swear that some out there jazz wigs people out more than crazed metal. I used to play some out there Sun Ra and it would totally freak out a roommate I had. Frankie Teardrop by Suicide also would freakout a room mate I had.

I don't get deep into the real barky metal, but I listen to plenty of old punk. I think the most intense and dark stuff that I like is really early Swans and Through Silver in Blood by Neurosis. I like em both, but I have to be in the mood.

earlnash, Sunday, 27 September 2009 05:19 (twelve years ago) link

Through Silver in Blood by Neurosis

^^^

should probably be practising shorthand (country matters), Sunday, 27 September 2009 10:27 (twelve years ago) link

XP: What's even funnier about Gnaw Their Tongues is that Maurice also plays in the band fronted by his younger sister, which is an indiepop-band in the style of The Breeders!

Marty Innerlogic, Sunday, 27 September 2009 11:05 (twelve years ago) link

"... nothing we could do, we can't, we can't separate ourselves from our own people. (pause, children crying in background) ... For twenty years laying in some old rotten nursing home ... (pause) ... taken us through all these anguished years. They took us and put us in chains and that's nothing. ... (stuttering) ... there's no comparison to that, to this. They've robbed us of our land, and they've taken us and driven us until we tried to find ourselves ... we tried to find a new beginning, but it's too late. You can't separate yourself from your brother and your sister. No way I'm gonna do it. I refuse. I don't know who fired the shot, I don't know who killed the Congressman. But as far as I'm concerned, I killed him. You understand what I'm saying? I killed him. He had no business coming. I told him not to come. ... (long pause) ... die with respect, die with a degree of dignity. Lay down your life with dignity. Don't lay down with tears and agony. It's nothing to death, just like Max said. It's just stepping over into another plane. Don't, don't be this way. Stop this hysterics... This is not the way for people who are socialistic Communists to die ... no way for us to die. We must die with some dignity ..."

So is this music? And, as the thread title says, do you like it? I've heard it and find it a bit snide. Without redeeming features even perhaps. A bit lame as well - comparing this to a TG album is a bit like comparing Faces Of Death to The King Of Death. For starters it's not a field recording, is it? But whatever helps you justify owning it, I suppose . . . I'm not having that much of a go either because some of the subject matter dealt with on some of the music I like, leaves a lot to be desired really. It's an arbitrary line to draw but my line's drawn before recordings of people committing suicide.

Current dark listening: Admiral Angry, Gnaw, SunnO))) (Black One), Khanate (Things Viral), TG (Third Annual Report), Burial Hex, Switchblade (ST 2009)

Doran, Sunday, 27 September 2009 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

XP: What's even funnier about Gnaw Their Tongues is that Maurice also plays in the band fronted by his younger sister, which is an indiepop-band in the style of The Breeders!

― Marty Innerlogic, Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:05 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lawl I love the shit out of this guy and didn't know that, nice - he used to make jungle/breakcore type stuff as well

I told u I was deathcore (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 27 September 2009 14:52 (twelve years ago) link

eleven months pass...

there is an early skepticism ep called 'ethere' that is pretty dark in the depressing sense. i don't actually find it depressing at all, but it probably meets the definition for a lot of people.

charlie h, Saturday, 18 September 2010 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

The thrashier, more melodic end of Death Metal - Carcass, Death, Entombed etc

rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, 18 September 2010 00:37 (eleven years ago) link

slipknot

☞ ☹ (markers), Saturday, 18 September 2010 00:37 (eleven years ago) link

Though I do own Scum by Napalm Death. That's pretty fucking unpleasant sounding.

rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, 18 September 2010 00:37 (eleven years ago) link

this is the cuetest thread i ever did start

del griffith, Saturday, 18 September 2010 00:40 (eleven years ago) link

slipknot

― ☞ ☹ (markers)

lol @ u

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 20 September 2010 15:37 (eleven years ago) link

Napalm Death is totally mainstream now. I go to houses where people have a lot of money and they have expensive tattoos and Napalm Death on their shelf like a fashion accessory! Totally goes with wine now.

That's why I started buying records by retarded children and the like, we need to find new levels of discomfort!

The Rich Man's 8-Track (u s steel), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:40 (eleven years ago) link

http://i39.tinypic.com/24g7rm0.jpg

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

lol @ u

― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor)

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I'm just Grinderman, y'all never mind me (markers), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:52 (eleven years ago) link

all markers teenage faves are coming out now

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

Avril's great

I'm just Grinderman, y'all never mind me (markers), Monday, 20 September 2010 16:59 (eleven years ago) link

current 93 stuff always seems like crazy dark like i can't even listen to it but i like it in theory

rawkan the chief (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 September 2010 17:11 (eleven years ago) link

I like Current 93 they don't really have talent just great ideas, major turnoff for people who think they know what talent is.

The Rich Man's 8-Track (u s steel), Monday, 20 September 2010 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

i dont listen to hard or dark music

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 September 2010 17:13 (eleven years ago) link

There is plenty of dark / hard funk and r + b. "Dark" isn't just for whitey.

The Rich Man's 8-Track (u s steel), Monday, 20 September 2010 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

I used to play any of these records whenever I had parties at my house and it was getting too late.

Aksak Maboul - Un peu de l'âme des bandits
Residents - Duck Stab
Roger Payne - Songs of the Humpback Whale
Lamborghini Crystal - Dial: 747 Creepozoid
Luasa Raelon - Automatic Satan
Luasa Raelon - Season of the Witch

Moka, Monday, 20 September 2010 17:42 (eleven years ago) link

Nurse With Wound / Whitehouse - The 150 Murderous Passions

Aqua Buddha (herb albert), Monday, 20 September 2010 17:53 (eleven years ago) link

Yah I guess Wolf Eyes or Pan Sonic or something like that.

Cox's Muffin syndrome (admrl), Monday, 20 September 2010 18:06 (eleven years ago) link

dunno if i mentioned it on this thread already, but i found this alb really pretty upsetting:

http://terrornoiseaudio.blogspot.com/2009/01/runzelstirn-gurgelstck-asshole-snail.html?zx=f79e409a8a5ca892

Ward Fowler, Monday, 20 September 2010 18:12 (eleven years ago) link

not too interested in clicking on a link that includes the phrase asshole snail in it

I'm just Grinderman, y'all never mind me (markers), Monday, 20 September 2010 18:15 (eleven years ago) link

links to a wilco bootleg, go for it

Ward Fowler, Monday, 20 September 2010 18:17 (eleven years ago) link

miles davis - black beauty: live at filmore west

deep n hard psychofunk

sawan, Monday, 20 September 2010 18:23 (eleven years ago) link

xp: ow my eyes.

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 18:29 (eleven years ago) link

i know i've listened to asshole / snail dilemma but i can't remember it! dark n hard is techno / dub for me these days, something with a lot of structure.

Matt P, Monday, 20 September 2010 18:42 (eleven years ago) link

metal if i listened to any

Matt P, Monday, 20 September 2010 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

I like Current 93 they don't really have talent just great ideas, major turnoff for people who think they know what talent is.

o_O ??

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Monday, 20 September 2010 18:51 (eleven years ago) link

links to a wilco bootleg, go for it

― Ward Fowler, Monday, September 20, 2010 2:17 PM

<3

I'm just Grinderman, y'all never mind me (markers), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:17 (eleven years ago) link

New Order - Sunrise is as hard as i can handle.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:38 (eleven years ago) link

bleakest album:

Peter Sotos "Buyer's Market"

it's a collage/cut-up of personal, first hand testimony sourced from mainstream TV, radio and documentaries in which victims of abuse talk about being sexually molested, raped, exploited; prostitutes describe violent and awful experiences; crying children narrate their own sexual abuse; and family members sob about the torture and murder of their loved ones.

what makes it especially disturbing is the way that the collation/editing/presentation of it seems to conjure up the question of whether or not it is used by Peter Sotos to get off on these descriptions of violence and cruelty, and in order to work that out, your own imagination gets fired up with "would this thing turn me on if I was some kind of pedophile creep?", and *that very structure of vicarious participation* is, I think, what the record is supposed to be about- the "Buyer's Market" is the mainstream media feeding frenzy for authenticity/realness, hypocritically tsk-tsk-ing about the very atrocities it serves up

and yet (and here's the second twist) the claim that this record is about media seems like a convenient pseudo-intellectual / falsely "critical" fig-leaf to cover up a pretty basic and super fucked up enjoyment in other people describing pretty unimaginably horrific experiences.

So, i would say, hands down, this is the darkest/hardest-to-listen-to record I own.

You feel disgusted with yourself after you listen to it, like you need a shower or something.

the tune is space, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

rammstein

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:53 (eleven years ago) link

oh, just noticed that thread title is "music you like", not "record you own"

diff question.

I'd say the darkest *music* would be:

Brainbombs "Urge to Kill"
Sutcliffe Jugend "When Pornography Is No Longer Enough"

which take the Sotos-style scenarios of rape, murder, molestation, kidnapping and abuse and set them to heavy post-Stooges psych rock (Brianbombs) and Whitehouse-style power electronics (Sutcliffe Juged) respectively. They are both *great* as completely demanding, powerful, un-ignorable musical experiences. and yet also beg a lot of the same questions of intent / moral complicity / false-critique that the Sotos does, while actually being, you know, "music".

the tune is space, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:53 (eleven years ago) link

I would like to say something obscure and hip but realistically it's just Slayer.

no gut busting joke can change history (polyphonic), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

hahahaha thank god you've allowed me to retract that rather stupid joke - would listen to those records! my favourite foetus song is narrated from a paedophile's POV - sometimes this stuff is highly compelling psychological engagement rather than exploitative trash

xp

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

my actual answer to this question? tough - would probably say something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf0qaIzaYDc

or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hkh2W0Le4Mo

^^^^^^^so, so, so, so, so, so good

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

ARGH here's a version that DOESN'T chop off the last 30 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBHnJNEbNZw

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 20:08 (eleven years ago) link

Xasthur can play too but I'm not linking any of his stuff tonight.

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

Carcass, Esoteric, Harvey Milk, dälek, Nattens madrigal

Brad C., Monday, 20 September 2010 20:19 (eleven years ago) link

ok I really like three of those and would probably dig the other two so yeah that post can be added to my own tentative list

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 20:24 (eleven years ago) link

dälek is probably my favourite discovery of 2010 and their stuff kills like little else...esoteric's last album was a terrifying, overwhelming blinder, nattens madrigal is fury on tape

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 20:26 (eleven years ago) link

Harvey Milk are probably mine too.

Neil S, Monday, 20 September 2010 20:34 (eleven years ago) link


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