There Is No Reason Why You Shouldn't Own Every Mott The Hoople Album

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They are all good.Unless you can think of a reason not to.And Free too! I know,I said Free! But it's true. There are always at least two songs on a Free album that are so heart-breakingly beautiful that you need to own them all.

Scott Seward, Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

heh, i was wondering how many albums they had, and then i found this for all you completists out there: (i only know 'all the young dudes' so i do not count)

ALBUMS

1969 Mott the Hoople   Atlantic
1970 Mad Shadows   Atlantic
1971 Wildlife Atlantic
1971 Brain Capers Atlantic
1972 All the Young Dudes [Columbia] Columbia
1973 Mott Columbia
1974 The Hoople Columbia
1974 Mott the Hoople Live Columbia
1975 Drive On   Columbia
1976 Shouting and Pointing Columbia
2000 Rock 'n' Roll Circus: Live Wolverhampton... Angel Air
2002 Two Miles from Live Heaven

COMPILATIONS, BOX SETS

1972 Rock & Roll Queen   Atlantic  
1975 Greatest Hits   Columbia  
1979 Shades of Ian Hunter: The Ballad of Ian...   Columbia  
198 2 Miles from Heaven   Island  
1990 Walkin' With a Mountain: The Best of Island...   Island  
1992 Collection   Castle  
1992 London to Memphis Sony  
1993 The Ballad of Mott: A Retrospective Columbia/Legac  
1994 Backsliding Fearlessly: The Early Years   Rhino  
1996 Original Mixed Up Kids: Live at the BBC Windsong  
1997 Super Hits Sony  
1997 All the Young Dudes [Pegasus]   Pegasus  
1998 All the Young Dudes [Box]   Columbia x
1998 All the Way From Stockholm to Philadelphia:... [live] Angel Air  
1999 Live: Over Here and Over There -- 75/76 Angel Air  
2000 Friends and Relatives Spitfire  
2000 Greatest Hits Live Purple Pyramid  
2000 Live Dudes   Music Club  
2000 A Tale of Two Cities Recall  
2000 The Gooseberry Sessions & Rarities Angel Air  
2001 World Cruise Cleopatra  
2001 The Best of Island Years: 1969-1972 Karussell  
2002 Hoopling: Best of Live   Import  
2002 The Best of Mott the Hoople

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haha hoopling!!

oh right also

Young Ginger and the Stick Insect

geeta (geeta), Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

For the record:I bail when it comes to post-Ian Hunter MOTT albums. Haven't even heard most of that stuff and it just ain't the same thing.Just so you know.

Scott Seward, Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

My favorite thing about Mott the Hoople is from the video of the all-star "All the Young Dudes" from the Freddie Mercury tribute concert - the look of joy on Ian Hunter's face watching the Def Leppard kids (Joe and Phil, I think) sing and Bowie play sax.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I do kinda like the Billion Dollar Babies and The Spiders From Mars though.

Scott Seward, Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

having read your reviews, I suppose it's redundant to say you're high, and that you own too many albums.

FYI: I have Mott and the live album. And two Ian Hunter solo ones.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 22 February 2003 21:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I have two compilations that cover most everything -- and very good they are.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 22 February 2003 23:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Is Hunter on Mott's 'Mott' as well? i kinda remember that rekkid miserably failing to rock my my young (& lean & oohsoomuchmorebootifuller) body some twenty years ago...

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Saturday, 22 February 2003 23:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

wha? "Whizz Kid" didn't rock ya? check yer pulse yer dead!

Paul (scifisoul), Sunday, 23 February 2003 03:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"brain capers" is my fave

duane, Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hunter is indeed on Mott, which is the high point of their LPs in my view. The Hoople is almost as good, and the one previous to Mott, All The Young Dudes, is very good too. A clasic triumvirate.

nickn (nickn), Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The three in a row that I play waaaaaaaay too much year in and year out would be Mad Shadows,Wildlife,and Brain Capers.If you have never heard them seek them out. You can buy them cheap used.Brain Capers especially."Death May Be Your Santa Claus" is so wonderful.Ah,hell.It is all powerful stuff to me.

Scott Seward, Sunday, 23 February 2003 04:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mott's a masterpiece - one of my all-time top five. All The Young Dudes and The Hoople are terrific too. The earlier ones are patchy but worth hearing (Rock & Roll Queen probably covers it well enough), and the post-Hunter ones are no good. Incidentally, Ian Hunter's first few albums (three, say) all have some fantastically good tracks, though all have weak spots too.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 23 February 2003 13:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hail, Martin! Total classic band, and you're right about the solo Hunter LPs, though I'd narrow it to the 1st two (and btw, listen to fuckin' Jaco playing rock bass on the 2nd - he kicks it, seriously). Heartfelt, always, Mott was.

And you know what? No one got onto the Free thread here, but Scott's right, they're damn good records, especially FIRE & WATER.

matt riedl (veal), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

But the third solo Ian Hunter has Justice Of The Peace on it!!!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mott, the Hoople, Brain Capers, All the Young Dudes. In that order. Then all the rest, all of which (Scott's right) seem to pretty good.

Best solo albums are the first one and the third one. The first one has "Once Bitten Twice Shy" on it, which was covered by, um, Great White. The heater don't work and it's oh so cold. They didn't know that rock and roll burned, then they found the candle and they lived and they learned. Except one of them didn't. It's really fucking sad.

chuck, Friday, 28 February 2003 21:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I love Mott's verson of "Laugh at Me", which was written by Sonny Bono of all people. It is a great song.

earlnash, Monday, 3 May 2004 13:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sonny "of all people" bono was no slouch as a songwriter! "needles and pins," "laugh at me," "she said yeah," "it's the little things," "i got you babe," etc.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 3 May 2004 14:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I'm on a giant Mott kick, particularly discovering the early albums (Mott The Hoople, Brain Capers, Wildlife) and hoping to get my hands on a copy of Mad Shadows very soon.

I spent some time with the mid-period Mott, and always really enjoyed it, perhaps in the same way I used to enjoy The Faces. But nowadays, I would put Mott high above The Faces.

Anyhow, someone should tell me more about Mad Shadows. I read Julian Cope's review on Head Heritage, and it made my ears weep with desire to hear it. Now.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Friday, 27 January 2006 01:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's fucking gorgeous and epic and you need it yesterday!

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 January 2006 01:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh man. I do need it yesterday.

I just had a couple beers and listened to Brain Capers and it blows me away. Hunter is a grand emoter. He means that shit!

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Friday, 27 January 2006 01:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Brain Capers is a masterpiece. It just gets better with more beer.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 27 January 2006 01:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I love the first four that Atlantic released here - even Wildlife.

All The Young Dudes: The Anthology is an import box set w/great unreleased tracks: live covers of CSNY's "Ohio" Mountain's "Long Red" and a dinky Merseybeat pre-Bad Company "Movin' On." Choice.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 27 January 2006 01:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Mama's little jewel, just out of school, fresh from the nuns who made you.

def zep (calstars), Friday, 27 January 2006 02:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

wait wait wait ... izzat a "movin' on" with IAN on vocals??

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 27 January 2006 05:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well, sure, there's a "Ready for Love" on ATYD.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 27 January 2006 08:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

not enough love for wildlife here--"the original mixed up kid" and "angel of 8th ave." are my favorite mott songs. they almost sound worthy of "3rd/sister lovers" in their joyous listlessness.

naturemorte, Friday, 27 January 2006 09:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Mott's a masterpiece - one of my all-time top five

Ditto

Dittoismus (Dada), Friday, 27 January 2006 10:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

izzat a "movin' on" with IAN on vocals

nah it's Mick Ralphs. "movin on from town to town" interesting but actually not as rockin-good as Bad Co.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 27 January 2006 11:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

now FREE (mentioned above) they're pretty great, much better'n Bad Company (though not as good as Mott). What Scott said basically, they've got a few great songs on each of four inconsistent studio albums:Tons of Sobs, Free, Fire & Water, Highway.

faves for today: "The Hunter" (Tons of Sobs) "I'll Be Creeping" (Free) "Mr. Big" (Fire & Water) "The Stealer" (Highway).

after guitarist Paul Kossoff split, things kinda went downhill.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 27 January 2006 11:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'll second the vote for Brain Capers. Besides the hard rock of "Death May Be Your Santa Claus" (which someone else has mentioned already), you get a great Dion cover, "Your Own Backyard" and a killer Dylanesque epic, "The Journey." (This is what Springsteen should have sounded like when he tried to be "Dylanesque."). There's a great rock-shamala vibe to the whole record that isn't retro or nostalgiac.

The first four Mott albums are all fantastic and worth owning, though -- besides Sonny Bono, Mott also tackle Doug Sahm ("At the Crossroads") and the Kinks (a molten instrumental of "You Really Got Me"). Nice M.C. Escher art on the LP cover, before that kind of thing was really hip.

James, Friday, 27 January 2006 14:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've only got Mott and All The Young Dudes and some Best of and I like 'em all, and yeah Ian does the best Dylan of anybody (although Ric Ocasek gave him a run for his money on "Since You're Gone")

I've never read the Ian Hunter bio, but I have fond memories of my buddies mocking the way it was padded with lackluster tales of Life On The Road- "If you've never been on an airplane, cats - that's the place for you! You sit there and all the while a bird keeps bringing round food and drink..."

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 27 January 2006 14:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I still wanna hear the Back Street Crawler stuff. supposed to be great.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 27 January 2006 16:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Back Street Crawler is overrated. Kossoff's drug problem had damaged him pretty severely by then. They're really mediocre. Then Kossoff died and they became Crawler, who were even more nondescript.

In terms of downhill slides, the Mott post Ian Hunter records and British Lions are both much better than Crawler. The Gooseberry Sessions, listed above, is also post Ian Hunter. What it is are recordings of Overend Watts leading the band, playing guitar and bass in the studio spec'ing for a new contract. Some them are good, particularly when he indulges his Everly Brothers fandom.

The anniversary edition of Mott Live was excellent. It was an import but really worth getting. Ariel Bender was tremendous on it and the band at its most powerful. Very kickass.

George the Animal Steele, Saturday, 28 January 2006 02:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

S/T Free album rules SO hard! and Skot is so right, as usual. You do need all of their albums. "Lying in The Sunshine" and "Mouthful of Grass" are so goddam floaty I want to swim with the dolphins. Best music ever! Paul Rodgers is such a hero -- such a voice. I am working up my response to dave q's bad co op10

Stormy Davis, Thursday, 24 January 2008 06:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

I guess what you need is first and foremost their 72-74 ones.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 24 January 2008 09:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

For me, it's all about:
Mott The Hoople
Brain Capers
Mad Shadows
Mott

As for All The Young Dudes, I think that one is merely okay, despite the classic title track.

Rev. Hoodoo, Thursday, 24 January 2008 09:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

I hated the Bowie-braying in "All The Young Dudes" so much for so long that I never bothered to give the rest of their catalog any attention. Which was my loss, obv, since I've come to really like 'em, particularly that initial pre-CBS (and pre-Bowie) quartet. Bob Dylan abandons The Hawks in Nashville, goes to England and records Blonde On Blonde with Deep Purple backing him up instead - I never woulda suspected I harbored a need to hear that. But I guess I apparently did. "The Moon Upstairs", what a great song.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 24 January 2008 16:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

I've never bothered with anything beyond "Dudes", "Mott", "The Hoople".

Tom D., Thursday, 24 January 2008 16:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

Mott's a great band. The Dion cover on Brain Capers is priceless, nearly brings me to tears.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 24 January 2008 16:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

The Journey is another great song on Brain Capers.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

It's all good on Brain Capers, goddamn is that a great album.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 24 January 2008 17:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

Bowie-braying

lol so accurate

rockapads, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:09 (ten years ago) Permalink

Hey don't get me wrong, I own a stack of '70s Bowie that I like a lot. But he tended to damage OTHER people's albums with his backing vocals. (Not to mention what he did to Raw Power!)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 24 January 2008 18:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

I've never bothered with anything beyond "Dudes", "Mott", "The Hoople".

this is all I own, but I want more! haven't had any luck running across Brain Capers & earlier, but I guess I could be looking harder.

Mott is the business, total classic. I'm thinking ...Dudes might be the weak one in this run.

will, Saturday, 13 September 2008 01:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Anybody but me have the newish 2CD Ian Hunter/Mott The Hoople best-of on Shout! Factory? It's a disc of Mott and a disc of Hunter and it's pretty damn rockin'.

unperson, Saturday, 13 September 2008 17:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

Everybody who likes Mott should check out the Live 1970 from Fairfield Halls disc from last year. Great stuff. Two concerts (despite the title, the second concert is in Sweden) from when Mott was still an opening act. Judging from this disc, following them was probably pretty difficult.

Bill Magill, Saturday, 13 September 2008 20:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Look for some reunion shows in London in the Fall of '09, and possibly a new album. All original members (Hunter, Ralphs, Allen, Overend, Buffin). The Ian Hunter discussion forum is all abuzz.

Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 20:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

I was just listening to "Marionette".

snoball, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 20:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

Mad Shadows - has a British rock n roll band ever sounded so dark, sloppy, out of control?
When My Mind's Gone is simply heartbreaking, Thunderbuck Ram is ferocious, and what about the beautiful chaos that is Threads of Irons?

Such a great great band.

Marco Damiani, Friday, 14 January 2011 10:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's a good way of putting it! I just spun through the album again; the highlights are the ones you mention plus "Walkin' With A Mountain" of course. The album sounds like it's recorded in an empty arena, huge & cavernous & kinda hazy at the edges, as though the punch of the sound leaks into the surrounding empty space. When that works, it's really really great; but the other cuts on the album sound too murky.

Euler, Friday, 14 January 2011 15:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Quite probably it is not the best Mott album, but there's something truly urgent and devastating about it and in this case muddy production and shambolic playing are okay with me. (And "Walking with a Mountain" is another highlight indeed).

I'm in a big Mott/Ian Hunter phase these days, lots of good songs and scorching performances.

Marco Damiani, Friday, 14 January 2011 16:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, "Thunderbuck Ram" left me raw this morning: it's a tender & vulnerable scorcher. Something about the album strikes me as gospel-y, maybe it's the pianos? It makes for weird juxtapositions: one the one hand they're roaring, but on the other hand the singing & lyrics are sad. And somehow the songs end up joyous; this is consistent through the end of the band. I don't really get how they pull it off.

Also: I get the Dylan comparisons wrt Hunter's vocal tone & "wordy" lyrics, but Dylan's rarely a tender lyricist. Whereas Hunter doesn't have that confidence or that desire to scorn. He cares!

Euler, Friday, 14 January 2011 16:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ha, I just pulled back out a bunch of Mott LPs yesterday, to be added to the too-be-played pile. Played Mott (my favorite, probably) for the first time in a while; had somehow forgotten how much I love "Whizz Kid" and "Drivin' Sister." Also always catches me by surprise when Mick Ralphs takes the lead vocal, in "I'm A Cadillac." (How many Mott songs does somebody other than Ian sing any? Well, not counting the later albums after he left, where they're just called Mott, I mean -- I actually like Drive On, from 1975!) Bizarrely, don't think I've ever actually heard Mad Shadows or Wildlife all the way through, though. Have always been a huge Brain Capers fan, and like the debut a lot, but for some reason I've always taken people's word that the 2nd and 3rd weren't worth checking out. Guess I'll keep an eye out for them now, though I'm never been big on "murk," so I dunno.)

xhuxk, Friday, 14 January 2011 16:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

First time I've seen this thread. That clip of "Moon Upstairs' is WAY better than I would have any reason to think a 70 year old Ian Hunter could be sounding in 2010!

Glorified Lolcat (Dan Peterson), Friday, 14 January 2011 16:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost
maybe I'm completely wrong here, but Hunter always seemed to me very un-British in his open vulnerability.

Mad Shadows is definitely murky and even a failure in terms of "well constructed records", but at least it is a glorious failure.

Marco Damiani, Friday, 14 January 2011 16:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, and it's from a very murky time, many of the best, worst and most mediocre from that year are a bit murky. Soon after, you get the normalization of post-Woodstock/Altamont mass bohemia-aimed product, then Exile On Main Street and There's A Riot Going On provided the affront of delib and deft, in-your-face murk. But back to Mott: "Crossroads" was a revelation to me: I didn't know who it was (or what it was; didn't yet know much about Sir Doug), except that it wasn't Dylan, yet provided so much of the Dylan-ness--the feel, the vibe, not just the literal sonic similarities--so absent on Nashville Skyline (which was still pretty good not to mention Self-Portrait (not so good). They weren't just doing a nice re-run either, the performance and the song had distinctive qualities. Otherwise, I'd agree that Brain Capers is prob the one to start with. But yeah, Live (from their Broadway sojurn, right?) and Rock 'n' Roll Queen (superbly slimmed-down singles and focus tracks) are also must-hears. Plus, the recent comp Dirty Water: The Birth of Punk Attitude, topping my P&J, makes great use of "The Moon Upstairs", with ambitious-to-voraci=ious vengefulness/idealism rec. to metal spirits as well. Hunter's mad laughter goes well w roller coaster into next track by Zoltan X, who say: "Humans are funnnn--ahhhh hah hah hah!"

dow, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

I bought that comp - extra kudos to Kris Needs for the inclusion of the Silhouettes's song!

Marco Damiani, Saturday, 15 January 2011 09:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

"don't think I've ever actually heard Mad Shadows or Wildlife all the way through"

you crazy! get on that! it's all good if you ask me.

really been digging the first two ian solo records (and the production on those! hoo boy).

AND i've been digging the two british lions albums too. which are quirky cool. was really happy to get a copy of the unreleased-at-the-time second album that cherry red was kind enough to put out a few years after the fact. cool stuff!

scott seward, Saturday, 15 January 2011 13:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

and i've been playing the two widowmaker albums (ariel bender's band) as well. like the first one and not so sure i need the second one.

scott seward, Saturday, 15 January 2011 13:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

I have a soft spot for Mick Ronson's Slaughter on 10th Avenue and Play Don't Worry: bizarrely, they contain two covers of Italian mainstream pop songs (his take of Lucio Battisti's I Giardini di Marzo aka Music Is Lethal is astounding).

Marco Damiani, Saturday, 15 January 2011 14:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Joe Elliott has formed a band to cover post-Mott-the-Hoople output from Ian & the boys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-lrlcmNxLY

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 15 January 2011 14:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

They've received the rock doc treatment:

http://www.filmlinc.com/films/on-sale/the-ballad-of-mott-the-hoople

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 02:29 (six years ago) Permalink

I found a DJ promo copy of Brain Capers yesterday!

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 03:07 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Not much to say really, but just enjoyed the BBC4 doc on Mott, Britishes might want to watch on iplayer if they missed it. (or stay up till 2.55 this morning, when it's repeated. I guess that's an option)

woof, Friday, 8 March 2013 23:06 (five years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I need to find out which of their lps I rate, don't think I've listened to them anywhere near enough.
Enjoyed the documentary when i saw it a couple of weeks back.

Have had a couple of their lps on disc for a few years, including the 2fer of the 1st 2 which I don't think has the best sound. THink i need to pick up The Hoople and Brain Capers on disc too.

I've seen Brain Capers refered to as protopunk or similar on a couple of occasions. Not sure if that's down to Clash connections, not hearing it on the FLAC files I have of it that I noticed anyway. May just be taht they're too quiet sounding.

Stevolende, Saturday, 23 March 2013 23:36 (five years ago) Permalink

I think the protopunk content of Capers is maybe down to "Death May Be Your Santa Claus" being on it? I don't really hear much protopunk going on, thought they seemed to have an influence on Slaughter and the Dogs...

All The Young Dudes is turning out to be my favorite of theirs. Most consistent - down to some of the songs being kind of samey - but really good material and production throughout.

spill vector (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 24 March 2013 08:39 (five years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

They're back! Five November gigs in the UK, all original members but Buffin, who's in poor health. They're playing the O2 of all things. Is this their first arena gig?

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 28 April 2013 03:25 (five years ago) Permalink

I am really pleased they are back together again. I saw one of their warn up shows before their 2009 reunion and it was a lovely experience - the band were enjoying being together as much as the audience loved seeing them together.

Rob M Revisited, Sunday, 28 April 2013 07:36 (five years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

brain capers is almost too epic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpp4C_fmhR0

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 20:18 (two years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

very sad.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 18 January 2016 17:10 (two years ago) Permalink

:(

Blecchstar Linus Must Comp (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 January 2016 17:16 (two years ago) Permalink

i'll sometimes listen to mott the hoople albums and focus in on the drumming alone. he played with such humor and that seemingly effortless swing that characterized that wave of british rock drummers. he always seemed to be playing catch-up to the band. wait for me, guys!

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 18 January 2016 17:47 (two years ago) Permalink

that swing, or whatever it is, is entirely unachievable by modern rock drummers from what i can see. even listening to the zep reunion show, or any classic band with a new drummer (e.g. sabbath, boc, whatever). drummers today are clobberers.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 18 January 2016 17:56 (two years ago) Permalink

Tend to agree with this last.

Blecchstar Linus Must Comp (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 January 2016 18:02 (two years ago) Permalink

Thus Sang Freud otm. I remember a John Paul Jones interview from around 1990 where he was asked about Zeppelin's influence on current bands. He said the drummers all completely missed the point, and were all (in Jones' words) "BOOM. BASH. BOOM. BASH." He pointed out that Bonham was heavily influenced by Motown and (especially) James Brown records, and that those elements were completely absent from the work of late 80s/early 90s metal or hard rock drummers.

And drummers today, if they want steady work, have to learn to play with a click-track. All a click-track does is suck the soul out of a drummer. Such towering classics like "Honky Tonk Women," "Superstition" and the Isleys' "Fight The Power" speed the fuck up, which only benefits the songs. But a contemporary producer would hear such speedups as "wrong."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 18 January 2016 21:22 (two years ago) Permalink

Buffin's playing on "Violence" is some of my favorite of anyone. He does the push-pull of the tempo like Ringo, speeding up ever-so-slightly, then pulling back. No drummer today would dare try that.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 18 January 2016 21:24 (two years ago) Permalink

there is always that guy from Helmet...

scott seward, Monday, 18 January 2016 21:26 (two years ago) Permalink

i do love that guy from helmet...i don't love a lot of modern drummers. there are metal drummers i like.

scott seward, Monday, 18 January 2016 21:27 (two years ago) Permalink

that guy from helmet is wonderful

Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Monday, 18 January 2016 21:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Interesting, Tarfumes, I've heard Jimmy Page say that the biggest 'mistake' you could make as a session musican was speeding up - so he was always deliberately breaking that rule w/ Zep.

RIP, Mott4ever

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Monday, 18 January 2016 21:28 (two years ago) Permalink

(i've said it before a million times but it bears repeating. a lot of the olden day heroes of yore had played in a zillion kid/teen/garage/club/wedding bands for years - even at really young ages - and they played a hundred different crowd-pleasing styles and THEN they joined the band that made them famous. they had years of gig experience under less than optimal conditions. battle-tested you could say. this is not true of most musicians starting out now.)

scott seward, Monday, 18 January 2016 21:35 (two years ago) Permalink

um so they - the people now - they learn how to do something one way - the thing that they like doing - or maybe two ways - and that's about it. they aren't really about variety. though technically they may be very accomplished. to me, it's rare to hear a musician now - especially within rock - who has a musical personality or identity. something that comes through in their playing that tells you who they are and what they are about. not in the way that so many of the old geezers did. of any genre.

scott seward, Monday, 18 January 2016 21:43 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah all those british drummers probably cut their teeth playing trad jazz, which benefited their later playing so much. buffin was basically the man. RIP.

Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 19 January 2016 00:55 (two years ago) Permalink

Mick Fleetwood!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 00:57 (two years ago) Permalink

RIP Buffin. I'm disregarding the fact that I met him and he was kind of a dick because, well, he was in Mott the Hoople.

The Return of the Thin White Pope (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 01:08 (two years ago) Permalink

Some Ian Hunter wisdom to cheer you up in this sad time: free summer shows of NYC 2009

Blecchstar Linus Must Comp (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 January 2016 01:57 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

This documentary is so lovely, I've watched it now like 3-4 times. I'd almost think you could do a feature film period piece on Mott and Guy Stevens. I'd really like to track down Ian Hunter's book from the period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2MJWIVeVNo

earlnash, Saturday, 6 February 2016 07:13 (two years ago) Permalink

Very very cool! I will definitely watch this, thanks for posting.

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 6 February 2016 16:49 (two years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Seeing reports on FB that Overend Watts has passed away (cancer).

"I must believe that my charm was not in my ass." (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 22 January 2017 21:31 (one year ago) Permalink

RIP :(

In Walked Bodhisattva (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Almost a year to the day after Buffin too. RIP.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 January 2017 22:02 (one year ago) Permalink

RIP Overend. Recover quickly, Mick Ralphs. (suffered a stroke a short time ago.)

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 22 January 2017 23:26 (one year ago) Permalink

morgan fisher on FB:

My dear, darling, crazy friend Peter Overend Watts passed on today. I can't speak, am numb. All I can do is share one of the last emails he sent me, on December 6th 2016. Unedited, unexplained. His bravery, honesty, generosity, open heart and still-devastatingly witty humour during his last days utterly blow me away. He left this world as a total hero, a samurai. Love you, Pete <3

Oh Yay Clifford T. Whoard!
Thanks fur your lovely message me old son. Looks like the news is finally out. But PLEASE KEEP IT UNDER YER HAT. IF POSS.
Managed to keep it quiet for more than 6 years though - so that was pretty good.If you remember I wasn't great at Hammo in 2009 - felt very grimeworthy then !
I just dread being besieged by Mott fans - all PRAYING for me, sending cards or gifts -
or worse still, trying to visit me ! God forbid - even tho I don't believe in him - even NOW.
Can't deal with all that crap - even tho I know they mean well. My sis got a message from Joe Elliot yesterday which made me think the game might be up. I know Jean and Buff were overwhelmed and were upset by it all after going public.
I think it's about 5 years too late for 2nd opinions now son. I've had every type of treatment, surgery etc, - it was far worse than the illness itself ! I've had enough now and am fine about going - it might be plezz up there (or down there)- an adventure, whichever way yer look at it. I'm not in any great pain, just giddy tired and weak. To be honest I'm more worried about Ralphur than myself right now. I really hope he recovers so he can play again. I love the guy so much - just as I love you son. I hated having to tell you that only the original band were doing the reunions - I know it must have hurt you a lot. One of me worst jobs ever. I wish we could've done it but it wasn't financially possble + too difficult to co-ordinate. with everyone concerned.

The Hospice is great - very much like Carry On Nurse - so I 'aint complainin' ! Another 3 decent years of travel would've been good but it's not to be.after all - but I did a hell of a lot anyway.
Glad you shifted the skin cancer - and I hope you have a long, healthy and happy life.
I can hardly type so I may not be able to keep in touch, but i just wanted you to know that you are still the best musician I ever had the privilege to work with and a brill bloke to boot...... - but David Reid - guitarist from The Contrast 'int far behind you !!! I was gonna bloody join them on electric 6 & 12 string till this bloody disease returnrd. What a bummer that was.
Anyway, must sleep now. I refuse to say "Goodbye" [ so I;ll just say ........
Take care Morgo - Love you son - Olde Gruff Pete xxx

PS OH - PIES OF GRATE MEAT !! We had some great times didn' t we !

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 23 January 2017 12:27 (one year ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

I miss Sweet Angeline which is my favorite faux Dylan ever

gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 03:25 (five months ago) Permalink

Nice work! I'd throw The Moon Upstairs on there, and maybe even Threads of Iron from Mad Shadows, but you got just about everything.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 03:31 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

reunion of mott mach ii dudes.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/mott-the-hoople-reunion-2018/

Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:58 (three months ago) Permalink


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