This Heat - Pre-Classic or Post-Dud?

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This Heat - proggers turned punks or one of the UK's greatest experimental bands? Are they the British Can, or the British Pere Ubu? Have they had any 'influence'? Haven't seem them mentioned much on ILM, so wld be interested in yr comments - can be broadened out to include The Camberwell Now and the Charles Hayward/Phil Manzanera era...

Andrew L, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Hugely hugely spoiled by their fans in Wandsworth Area, of course (goes up the unctuous self-smarmed RecRec cry: "Our Art- Revolutionary minute beats your Pop/Rock/Whatever century"), but seemed kinda tuff and interesting the time, esp. first LP (the yellow and blue one). Deceit = not so good (plus horrible sleeve). The Camberwell Now = v.boring.

They carved out a small but reverent audience who never challenged them where they needed to be challenged.

UK Ubu = UK Can = [LOL]. Even when Ubu were in their "Hullo, are you the audience? My art is to jab my thumb in your eye" phase, they towered above the Heat.

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

What was the Quiet Sun record (there's only 1, no?) like? Mark - you'd know......? hey & what about Charles Hayward's tenure in GONG?

duane zarakov, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

...oh yeah INFLUENCE, dunno about anywhere else but one place they had HEAPS is on NZ's own Jeffries bros. (Peter & Graeme) , who've got a sizeable cult of their own but have mostly put me to sleep. Trademark stiff rolling tom-tom style = BUMMER infl.
(i too like that 1st This Heat alb. tho)

duane, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Quiet Sun: I *think* there's two, but never heard either. Hayward in Gong? Rerpect for him shoots up, as have a silly soft spot for Gong: Camembert Electrique = first obscure I ever got one over on schoolchums with. (Them: "This is rubbish, Mark"/ Me: "This is grate and you are philistine peasants!!"/Them: "OK, if you say so, but can you turn it down a bit?")

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The first album is terrific - tape loop experimentation linked in with rock sounds etc - although the murky production and/or mastering lets it down. The 2nd takes itself far too seriously with political rantings getting in the way of the music. The 12" vinyl single (and 3" cd single) "Health and Efficiency" is probably the best thing they ever did with a lengthy, lurching, metronomic end section. "Repeat" is full of interesting, vaguely ambient loops and a softer version of an early piece. "Made Available" - peel sessions - has a crisp sound, very well suited to the band and has some slightly better versions of songs from the 1st and 2nd albums. It also has a track that sounds like a King Crimson extract which indicates their influences. There's only one Quiet Sun release - "Mainstream" - which is sorta Canterbury and a bit dull. Last thing I heard about the drummer was of an art percussion piece where he slithered on stage like a slug and moaned and yelled and so on - sounds pathetic, really.

philT, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Last I heard of Charles Hayward he was drumming w/Fushitsusha, which has to be more impressive than the man-baby schtick Phil is referring to...

OK, comparisons to Can and Pere Ubu were prob. stretching things a bit, but I was trying to indicate the sort of group they were for the benefit of people who hadn't heard 'em before(judging by the no. of responses here, that seems to be most ILMers!), rather than place them at the top of the 'experimental' group pantheon. I mean, This Heat certainly had things in common with both groups - an attempt to marry songs with improv/experimental moves, an interest in African drumming, the mixture of guitars and synths, etc. I know that a lot of people find Hayward's sub-R. Wyatt singing something of an 'acquired taste' and yes, the politicing can be a bit obv., but I remain a big fan, perhaps because This Heat were a 'gateway' group for me - played on Peel during punk, but (like Wire) also suggesting other approaches/ideas, a way out of the punk orthodoxy.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Total crap old-skool q, Andrew, but did you ever see TH live? For some reason I imagined they might be stupendous live.

Charles Bullen played some role in Ut's first LP Conviction, and Ut forever rool....

mark s, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Never saw 'em live, Mark - I was 12 in 1978, started listening to Peel in the last year of primary school and became total tunnel-vision punk rock convert soon after. I was partly encouraged by an older family friend who was into The Jam, Stranglers, Buzzcocks etc. - first heard 'bodies' at his house, a shared shocked secret (we wuz 'nice boys') - and also by sixth-form punkers who produced terrible local (S-E London) 'new wave' fanzine and soon sussed me out as a soft sell. Heard loads of things on Peel that took me a while to 'get', Beefheart and This Heat included, but by late teens was already beginning to suspect that there might be more to music than endless variations on 'What Do I Get' etc. Occasional sampling of non-punk albs from the local library - great source of musical discovery for many ILM-ers, I bet - also 'broadened my horizons'. Sorry for this boringly subjective post (don't think I'm totally down with Tom's 'personal context rools' philosophy) but don't want to give anybody the impression that I was a teenage avant-garder (baby). Anyway, think there are live tapes floating around (not the same, I know) and the Peel Sessions comp prob. captures some of This Heat's live sound/power.

Did see UT live once, however (can't remember where now - long-term memory loss ahem - think it might've been the now defunct Fulham Greyhound.) They were HEAVY...

Andrew L, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

While I'm here, might as well de-rail my own thread - is the quality of a group's 'live performance' a "crap old-skool q" as Mark S puts it? Do gigs matter anymore, and does a lousy gig by a favourite act downgrade yr opinion of their recs?

Andrew L, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

As is customary for me, I'm going to kill this thread with a boringly personal note.

The first I heard of This Heat was when Peel was broadcasting some classic 70s sessions during the summer of 1986. He broadcast the first session of theirs and I was gobsmacked. "Not waving but drowning" was like nothing I'd heard before, eerie and scary. I don't even think I heard the other session tracks, that was enough. Eventually I found the first two albums on CD in the early 90s and thought the first had moments of greatness but was a little too much art-wank ("Music like escaping gas"? Get lost!), but absolutely adored the second album, dated political messages and everything. I was listening to a lot of Moonshake at the time and it all seemed to make sense in a way. The way something like "Makeshift swahili" mixes in studio and live sounds was amazing for the time. Yes it's dated, yes it has very little influence but I still dig them out to play them frequently.

Rob M, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
I've had Deceit for a little while now but wanted to wait before I voiced opinions--I was blown away (stupid cliche, yeah, but that's what happened) and find myself unable to stop listening to it. Why? What's good about it? It's not just "sonically interesting" (which it is) nor are the songs "all that." And there's nothing that turns me off faster than quasi-political lyric-rants. There's just something about it that's moving at a very base level, and all the loops and fucked up shit and goofiness just add to it, like the Boredoms. It's very primal music with a refined sheen, like Tarzan all dressed up at the dinner table except conducting itself very well. I dunno.

PS Kudos to Dominique for the nicely-done Pitchfork review--hopefully it will help spur interest in the reissues (hype for which has been near-nonexistant in the US).

adam, Tuesday, 19 February 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...
where is jess?

gareth (gareth), Friday, 22 November 2002 02:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

give me side one of deceit and the peel sessions and you can just write yourself a ticket to hollywood yes sirree.

gygax!, Friday, 22 November 2002 02:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Teehee - A few days ago I walked into a record shop as the guy behind the counter was putting on a CD. I started browsing, and then 'SPQR' came on. I immediately turned around and said 'Is this Deceit???!' He said yes, I asked the price, it was expensive, I gave it a moment's thought and said 'I'll buy it!' He took it out and gave it to me. He said 'Congratulations, that was the record for the quickest sale from playing a record in store... You're also a complete bastard because I really wanted to listen to that.'
I was speechless.

'Deceit' is a total utter classic, apart from the lyrics which are just war cliches strung together, but they don't really spoil it. The alien mood that This Heat creates is like nothing else I've heard.

Keith McD (Keith McD), Friday, 22 November 2002 02:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

So has anyone heard that 'new' live LP? It's been turning up in stores here in New York. I think it's actually a new pressing of an old live cassette. I don't even know the title, but it has a yellow and red cover.

^Diego^ (dhadis), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i'm here gareth. i spent 20 mins trying to come up with a reply last night, but gave up. i don't think i'm suited to "serious" responses on ilm anymore.

deceit in probably the one object i'd save from the Post Punk File if the house was burning down. (excepting metal box, of course, and possibly chairs missing or the early scritti singles.) there are ideas in songs on there that could (and have) supported entire bands careers. (i do agree with mark that ubu towers above t.h., but i get out by not considering p.u. post punk ho ho.) the earlier stuff has never really done it for me; "health and efficiency" is obv one of the 20 or 30 greatest singles ever made; "24 track loop" is prescient beyond its years, although thankfully it doesnt make a big deal out of it.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:30 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I saw This Heat in 1980 at the Electric Ballroom in Camden, supporting (if my memory serves me correctly) The Slits and The Raincoats, and at the time I thought they were a load of self-indulgent pants....

However my musical tastes have changed (OK, broadened) quite a bit since and I do keep hovering over a copy of Deceipt - in fact I would almost certainly have picked it up a couple of weeks ago if it wasn't so piggin' expensive.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

stewart-deceit is available at normal prices (10 quid, at least I'm sure i saw it for that).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 22 November 2002 20:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'Deceit' normally gets marked down to abt 8 quid on CD in the NHG R+T.

Isn't it terrible having yr old threads revived? It's like being shown rotten old photos of yrself.

Still, I had to put on 'Health and Efficency' while online, so gd. I still prefer the 1st alb, tho' - 'Not Waving' never fails to get me all choked up (J. Savage gets it wrong in 'England's Dreaming', btw - the song only borrows a title from Stevie Smith, not the actual text of her poem.)

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 22 November 2002 20:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks guys - spurred on by your comments I have managed to track it down at for a more reasonable £12.50.... the bad news is that having gone there I have now found myself hovering over an Etron Fou boxset....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Sunday, 24 November 2002 00:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"sleep" is still one of my fave songs ever. i don't think i've heard anything else by them in over a year, but i really wish i had deceit with me now.

(oh, and jess, did you write about them on rebellious jukebox or something? i'm sure it was something you'd written that made me get deceit, but it clearly wasn't here).

toby (tsg20), Sunday, 24 November 2002 00:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i once sang "sleep" to my goddaughter at bedtime and she gave me a hug

bob zemko (bob), Sunday, 24 November 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

cor mindmeld!

bob zemko (bob), Sunday, 24 November 2002 01:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I love This Heat. Wasn't around for the "scene" or anything like that. But I like the sense of adventure in there music. No matter how often you play them they can still surprise you. The off kilter rhythms, the strange references and dizzying production. Its very fun to listen too. You never know where their going to take you.

It took a while for me to warm up to Deceit though. I liked it enough, but thought the first record was a bit better. But I read a review a while back that made me dig Deceit out from the bin.Which is strange for two reasons: 1) It was a review at AMG, 2) I don't usually like something because of a review. But that review was so well written it ignited my curiosity for a record I already owned! Maybe it was a little too out there for me when I first heard it. Now I think Deceit is as good if not better then first record. I don't care much about the lyrics, so it doesn't detract for the totally wild sounds on Deceit.

Only recently heard the Peel Sessions. A lot of material form the first album. The version of "Horizontal Hold" is just awesome.

The comparisons to Can and Pere Ubu are not so far fetched, in my opinion. They all share a somewhat "unorthodox" approach, and the loopy & dizzying rhythms.

Hey Mark S, you crazy Brit! Your awesome. Pere Ubu are one of my favorite bands. But my obsession of Can surpasses my love for any other bands combined. Nice to hear someone else likes 'em.

In short, I say Classic! Get them all. The self-titled first record, Deceit, The Peel Sessions, and whatever else you can find. They made music that really sounds like nothing else.

Great band. I wished more bands were so daring and strange. I like those qualities. This is just a fan's perspective.

Juan (Juan), Sunday, 24 November 2002 01:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

and that amg review was written by our very own andy k if memory serves.

(toby, yeah i wrote something way way back in like the first month of the jukebox a year ago, a really hyper-personal was my version of church of me! [that is not a diss.])

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 24 November 2002 03:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oops- stewart. sent you an email before seeing this.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 24 November 2002 11:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(is any of that jukebox stuff still "available", jess? i remember you writing something about that last john coltrane concert (a merzbow comparison?!) that made me go and get it, but i can't remember what it was you said...)

toby (tsg20), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
In case anyone's interested, the Camberwell Now CD has recently been re-issued as is available here:

One word of warning before you visit the site 'though - they're currently having a sale....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Sunday, 5 January 2003 02:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
ha ha i am so so glad those depressing personal entries are lost to the ether

this is such a wonderful record, still.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 August 2003 08:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

any sign of a cd reissue of the first?

gaz (gaz), Friday, 15 August 2003 10:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'Fraid not.

(You're just trying to get me to say "fuckin' hippies" again, aren't you Gaz?)

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 15 August 2003 10:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hi stewart. record crackles make a piece of music sound so much warmer don't they?

gaz (gaz), Friday, 15 August 2003 11:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

also: are the haywood discs as boring as sinkah suggests?

gaz (gaz), Friday, 15 August 2003 11:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well I think he was a little bit cruel about Camberwell Now - not as good as This Heat but not "v.boring." either.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 15 August 2003 11:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i heart this heat. oh yes. one of my favorites lately.

msp, Friday, 15 August 2003 13:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Camberwell Now's All's Well collection is getting near-constant rotation 'round my place. The music is fantastic and perhaps more relevant than This Heat at this particular moment in time. In other corners of music we've seen a resurgence of Sylvian/New Pop/Romanticism and we've only just been through Post-Punk/New Wave/Electro. I can't help but think this is how Charles Hayward must have felt in the mid 1980s -- caught between the edgy minimalism of the recent past and the ultra-modern present.

It's still very bold music, BTW.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Friday, 15 August 2003 14:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

this heat have been one of the biggest inspirations to me - i can repeatedly return to their music because it's so full of life - and deceit's lyrics amaze me, because they manage to offer an intelligent political discourse without resulting to sloganeering or cliche (much like most of the henry cow-axis). has anyone ever heard The Work? this is tim hodgkinson from henry cow's post-HC band, recorded at cold storage and sorta this heaty but with lots more percussion. pretty great stuff.

j fail (cenotaph), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

any sign of a cd reissue of the first? reports on This Heat, "a re-mastered and re-packaged CD version is being prepared for release."

T. Weiss (Timmy), Friday, 15 August 2003 20:34 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
so can anyone riddle me this? I saw a record in the store the other day that was white with a big blue splotch on it and in the splotch was a crude drawing of a guy with little swirlies, both in white. It was on the wall and too high for me to grab. there was marker on the protective plastic slip case that said This Heat and 40$. anyone know what record it is and if it's worth that much.

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

its the health and efficiency 12". it is fantastic, but it was reissued on cd semi recently.

mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yep, one of the coolest things they did.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 22:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I second (third?) that. It's got to be one of the greatest songs (and it's a proper fucking song!) ever recorded.

radio morocco (radio morocco), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one of the best 12s ever! yeah

prima_fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

so the thing that's always been my favorite of theirs is "24Track Loop" and the extended version of it on Repeat (i think?). is it as good, similar, better than this song? am i really crazy to spend 40$ on a 12"?

JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Perhaps, yes. It certainly doesn't sound much like '24 Track Loop', but that doesn't mean it's any less good. Also, the flip side is 'Graphic/Varispeed' which you will already have on Repeat. But I've never seen an original of this, and I live in the UK. It was reissued (5 years ago?) as a double LP with the rest of Repeat, but I never saw that much either.

radio morocco (radio morocco), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if you haven't heard it it has this insanely catchy rock song "here's a song about the sunshine, dedicated to the sunshine" and then after a couple of minutes it goes into this intense rock group play lock groove type thing.

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"This Heat - Pre-Classic or Post-Dud?"

I don't know. Their records are pretty much out of print. The only CD pressings I have seen for sale are imports that cost $35 bucks and I won't pony up to find out.

earlnash, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

thank you to this thread. i really don't like 'Graphic/Varispeed', so i decided to just download Health & Efficiency and save 40$. anyone want it email me and i can pick it up for you and mail it yada yada

JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Their records are pretty much out of print. The only CD pressings I have seen for sale are imports that cost $35 bucks and I won't pony up to find out."

Deceit, Made Available, Repeat and the 7cm Health & Efficiency are all available from .

As regards the first one, according to , "a re-mastered and re-packaged CD version is being prepared for release"; however they also told me that this was "'almost' ready to go into production,
and hopefully could be available soon" over a year ago; so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 09:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

hard to tell, but i don't think it's him. after he quit, trefor and a keyboardist named ian hill joined

o -- (eman), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

that's probably Hill, then. thanks.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 20 March 2006 03:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

5 points to anybody who knows who that first band is that you see for about 5 seconds!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Crunchy Umbrella?

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink


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Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 14:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

"makeshift swahili" is so fucking good. henry cow turning into public image ltd. all in one song

kamerad, Thursday, 31 December 2009 03:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

Saw Hayward in Kyoto in the late 90s, having never heard of This Heat.
Fantastic show. Just him drumming and singing and playing cassettes and flailing around with cassette players, really doing his own thing.
Crowd was so into it he got kind of choked up by all the mad Japanese music geek love.

m0stlyClean, Thursday, 31 December 2009 06:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

I've always enjoyed This Heat, but its only in the last few years that they REALLY hit home for me. Their music has tremendous depth. So, even if you haven't dug it in the past, give em another shot. Highly recommended.

ImprovSpirit, Thursday, 17 June 2010 15:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

found a real life copy of the lifetones "for a reason" in a bag of records someone left round my house last night. think i played "good side" about 50 times. such a jam.

Crackle Box, Thursday, 7 April 2011 11:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Crackle Box, Thursday, 7 April 2011 11:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

am0n, Monday, 18 July 2011 19:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

The preview frame for the YouTube makes Hayward look like Jeremy Clarkson.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 03:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

took a first date to the charlie hayward project 'bass drum'

absolutely fucking divine, the guy's a genius & the woman on the korg (whose name I am trying to find - it's on none of the links when I google 'charles hayward' 'bass drum' ffs!) was brilliant too

imago, Thursday, 18 September 2014 23:39 (four years ago) Permalink

But what did your date think?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 19 September 2014 01:16 (four years ago) Permalink

extremely strong approval

the support act was some boring shit dalston indie but that's to be expected, bargained for almost

imago, Friday, 19 September 2014 08:53 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Light In The Attic are about to reissue the only three records south London trio This Heat produced during their lifetime. Originally released between 1979–81, the US label’s forthcoming campaign will mark 2016 as being the 40th Anniversary of This Heat’s beginnings. Formed in Brixton, south London, in 1976, the trio consisted of Charles Bullen, Charles Hayward and the late Gareth Williams. The reissue programme includes the group’s 1979 debut This Heat and its 1981 sequel Deceit, plus their Health And Efficiency 12" from 1980.

Set for vinyl release on 22 January 2016, the three records will be accompanied by a booklet with notes and archival photos.

Portugal minus Pedro Foster Cage (Spectrist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:04 (two years ago) Permalink

i feel like it was just yesterday that the box set came out but evidently it was... nine years ago? i am old.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:16 (two years ago) Permalink

there's some other this heat news of great magnitude imminent.

stirmonster, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:10 (two years ago) Permalink

aaaaaa that makes me very excited

sleeve, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:13 (two years ago) Permalink

at one point there was a killer run of live shows on Dimeadozen and I think I grabbed them all, I guess the Krefeld tape or the Diekuuroh sessions could still be reissued as well

sleeve, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:15 (two years ago) Permalink

wow, check out this live show filmed after Gareth Williams left in 1982, the band as a 4-piece

sleeve, Thursday, 19 November 2015 22:20 (two years ago) Permalink

there's some other this heat news of great magnitude imminent.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:10

tell me

am0n, Friday, 20 November 2015 18:55 (two years ago) Permalink

saw this on FB from them: "also working on an extended version of the stuff we did with Mario Diekuuroh for release 2017"

city worker, Friday, 20 November 2015 19:04 (two years ago) Permalink


sleeve, Friday, 20 November 2015 19:09 (two years ago) Permalink

That's cool, but also saw on facebook that they're doing Lifetones. Don't know which one stir's excited about! Both I imagine.

dan selzer, Friday, 20 November 2015 20:26 (two years ago) Permalink

I love those show links because Trefor Goronwy joins them on bass, and I always wish This Heat had employed a real bassist on most of their recordings. Such a great band, and Hayward is such a powerhouse on drums, pairing him with a good bassist makes them all that much better. haha love the stare of death gives the camera around 5:45

Dominique, Friday, 20 November 2015 20:43 (two years ago) Permalink

xp well that's big news too, excellent

sleeve, Friday, 20 November 2015 21:42 (two years ago) Permalink

Can't think of any other pop drummers whose credit on a record is so reliably a sign of goodness rly

albvivertine, Saturday, 21 November 2015 08:47 (two years ago) Permalink

it's something else i'm excited about. wish i could say. i'm happy lifetones is seeing a reissue even though it means i'll no longer be the only person i know who has a copy.

stirmonster, Saturday, 21 November 2015 22:45 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

On the 13th February 1976 the seminal experimental rock band This Heat played their first gig. After a Peel session, two albums, an EP and a cassette tape collaboration they disbanded in 1982 leaving an undeniable legacy that has only continued to grow in stature and relevance.

While December 2001 saw the three band members begin tentative rehearsals, any hope of the band reforming ended with the death of Gareth Williams in the same month.

THIS IS NOT THIS HEAT, a two day residency at Cafe OTO, will mark exactly 40 years to the weekend of that first gig in 1976. This Heat founder members Charles Bullen and Charles Hayward will come together for the first time since 1982 to publicly perform new interpretations of their influential music in collaboration with an impressive ensemble of music luminaries of the past 50 years.

More information on this rare two day residency will be released in due course.

Barnaby, Hardly, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 12:13 (two years ago) Permalink

You got the same email I did then?

Anyway, it's not a three, it's a yogh. (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 12:16 (two years ago) Permalink

Yes indeed. Booked tickets for both nights. Really looking forward to it!

Barnaby, Hardly, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 12:27 (two years ago) Permalink

why go to that when u can go to this

am0n, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 18:09 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Just come across this, Japanese band Downy covering Paper Hats

MaresNest, Saturday, 9 January 2016 22:31 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

any video?

dan selzer, Sunday, 14 February 2016 19:11 (two years ago) Permalink

i went last night. it was incredible; way, way beyond my wildest expectations and truly one of my all time favourite gigs. i had a lump in my throat in places and am still totally buzzing 24 hours later. they played pretty much the whole of the two albums and then finished on a hyper intense version of "health and efficiency". charles hayward was grinning from ear to ear while bullen remained cool as a cucumber and inscrutable throughout. guest musicians included david cunningham, chris cutler, thurston moore and alexis taylor; at some points there were 11 musicians playing. the whole gig was filmed so hopefully that will appear at some point and there are rumours of more performances. by all accounts they started rehearsing a year ago and it showed. it was flawless (in the best possible way).

this doesn't begin to do justice to how great it was, but here's two thirds of "24 track loop" recorded on my phone -

stirmonster, Sunday, 14 February 2016 22:41 (two years ago) Permalink

amazing, thanks.

dan selzer, Sunday, 14 February 2016 22:50 (two years ago) Permalink

oh, and about half way through charles and charles who didn't speak at any other point had a conversation about gareth williams which was extremely touching and very amusing. then they launched into "paper hats".

stirmonster, Sunday, 14 February 2016 22:57 (two years ago) Permalink

oh my god

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 15 February 2016 06:27 (two years ago) Permalink

Barbican June 17th:

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 14:41 (two years ago) Permalink

also confirmed for Stuart Lee's ATP, which I am sorely tempted by

Gaz upon my works ye mighty, and despair (Neil S), Wednesday, 17 February 2016 14:54 (two years ago) Permalink


am0n, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 16:48 (two years ago) Permalink

am0n, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 16:56 (two years ago) Permalink

i tried to bring them to glasgow but to make it work the ticket price would have to be ridiculously high or else i'd have to have the confidence that around 1000 glaswegians would want to see them.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:12 (two years ago) Permalink

anybody go? reports?🔗

went on the friday and it was really excellent. I don't think double bassist john edwards played on Saturday which is a shame as it added considerable weight and atmosphere to quieter sections.

sparse solo sets from hayward and bullen were both great and set the scene for the main play of denser forces v well.

wish i had a recording of it all in fact.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:19 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Holy shit, yes.

The band will play USA in 2018

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Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 December 2017 15:44 (ten months ago) Permalink

Oh man, will travel for this...

Soundslike, Sunday, 3 December 2017 16:36 (ten months ago) Permalink


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Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 3 December 2017 17:32 (ten months ago) Permalink

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