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I saw them on that TV thing on Saturday! "I Don't Want a Lover" was absolutely incredible! Sounded like Floyd! "Inner Smile" is great too!

tarden, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Not so much underrated as over-slagged - Texas have obvious weaknesses (derivative, "safe", classicist, a bit drab etc.) but they've always had a way with a tune and in their last couple of years have had a rather open-minded and certainly savvy approach to their given area of music - delving properly into hip hop was actually a more daring move than I think people give it credit for being.

I remember in his Scritti Politti review Tom asked why more UK rock acts don't acknowlege hip hop and swingbeat, and while I'm fairly sure that Texas wouldn't have been the sort of thing he had in mind, it's at least a start. There was a luxurious hip hop/soul thing on _White On Blonde_ (produced by Rae & Christian possibly?) that I remember as being quite endearing. "Inner Smile" is fun too, though obviously no patch on "You Get What You Give".

Tim, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Absolutely dreadful in my book. Nasty MOR songs, crude attempts to add r&b-ish beats, and Sharleen Spiteri's mannered, cliched vocal style (cod '60s soul).

David, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What David said, basically. Find them repulsive. Though what Tim said about Texas being "over-slagged" has a lot to do with their ubiquity in the UK, at least: virtually all their singles since "Say What You Want" have been on heavy rotation on Radio 1, Radio 2, Virgin, commercial FM stations, videos played heavily on TV etc. Therefore it becomes very easy for me to actively hate them when, if they weren't thrust in your face all the time (and I doubt whether they get so much exposure in Australia) I'd regard them as bland and ignorable.

I find the production on their songs horrifically *centre-ground*, as though they're trying to appeal to all markets and come up with an unedifying mess. The New Labour of music, if you like :).

Robin Carmody, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Heard their "new" single earlier, which is what Gary Davies (gawd, how appropriate) once called an "invisible remix": they've tacked a crude, lazy "dance" rhythm onto "I Don't Want A Lover", which now dates back 12 years. Someone hold me back. Anyone with frizzy dark hair and whose eyebrows meet in the middle is fucking welcome to it.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The most resounding dud that has yet clanged on this forum. Utterly worthless, pseudo-soul made by and for those who possess none.

Responsible also for one of the most embarrassing music-on-TV moments I can remember: that link-up with Method Man at the '98 Brits. Cataclysmically woeful.

Venga, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search - Method-Man link-up ("A-rum-pum-pum-on-my-Shaolin-drum"), the initial hook on "Inner Smile" (cheers Gregg). "Say What You Want" itself is OK too.

Destroy - well, I think Texas actually probably write OK pop songs. I liked the last Emma Bunton single on the first few plays, and said so, and Isabel said, but it sounds like Texas, and I said oh yeah, and realised I wouldn't like it if it was by Texas. There is something dislikeable about Texas, then. But on the other hand I was listening to my second-hand Lloyd Cole best-of and I thought, a lot of these songs, including the ones I like, could also be by Texas. So there's something likeable about them, too.

Dud, but not as dud as you think, then.

Also, Sharleen Thingy is fit.

Tom, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

no she isn't

gareth, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tarden, is it REALLY POSSIBLE that you could insult me so cleverly and simultaneously assert that 'Texas are great' because they 'sound like Floyd'? It sort of brings to mind what Mark S said about Derrida's taste in music (he wagered it's appalling)

maryann, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You insult me, and I compare you to Derrida! Doh!

Maryann, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Urgh! Tom, man, hang your head in shame.

DG, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't know why I didn't mention her in the 'nice person, shame about the group' thread but Sharleen is really, really sweet, a very spunky, no-bullshit kind of girl who's nowhere as mainstream as her records. The music itself, to me, is pretty inoffensive, but not to the degree where that makes it offensive...if you know what I mean.

suzy, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think Suzy is right about Sharleen's *personality*.

But that excuses nothing. Least of all remixing "I Don't Want A Bastard Lover", a song that in 2001 really should be lampooned alongside, I dunno, Bruno Brookes's mullet haircut, *not* returned to us *in any form*.

And I'm sorry, Tom, but the Method Man link-up was an embarrassment. OK, I was in a purist phase at the time, but it's still so absolutely pathetically fucking *tokenistic*.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I like the first LP (1989). It has a good, brief, slow swinging slide blues title track. But the lyrics are very bad.

I don't care much about what they've done since - except (like others) to find their new-found glossy ubiquity annoying. But it was somehow cheering, at first, to see a lost bunch of losers from the 80s unbelievably given another chance.

What Tom E said about how Lloyd's songs could be Texas songs was simply incorrect. It shows that, while he is very knowledgeable, very intelligent, very eloquent and very pleasant, and has an impressive beard, he still doesn't know much about Lloyd Cole.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ten years pass...

Things called Texas that are not from Texas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_jJRrY6xYc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMk208Op1Jc

Lazy Lay (Eazy), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

So, this guy at work is playing Texas at his desk every morning.

It's, uh, getting repetitive and I'm not coping.

Come and get it with King (G'Day) Boy (G'Day) Pato (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:11 (twelve years ago) link

What kind of a savage listens to music at their desk without headphones?

kkvgz, Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:16 (twelve years ago) link

Well, that too but this whole must listen to Texas between 9am and 10am is the more concerning issue.

Come and get it with King (G'Day) Boy (G'Day) Pato (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 8 September 2011 12:18 (twelve years ago) link

three years pass...

Heard 'Inner Smile' for the time today and I thought it sounded way too much like the New Radicals, turns out it was written by Gregg Alexander. I love 'say what you want' because I have some great memories attached to it - I was 12 when it was released, I am deeply sorry - I guess that one counts as one of my most deep guilty pleasures as I like it but I would never consider it seriously as one of my favorite songs of all time without expecting someone to call me on it.

Moka, Monday, 22 September 2014 19:20 (nine years ago) link

would've killed to see the Forgone Conclusion gig

Dominique, Monday, 22 September 2014 19:40 (nine years ago) link

four years pass...

“Say what you want” is the only song I’ve ever requested on the radio.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 23 June 2019 00:18 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

Just realized the vocal part I love about “say what you want” was stolen from “love thy will be done” by Prince/Martika. I am currently obsessed with the Prince version.

Also there some very weird production decision that I had never noticed before, at the end of the final bridge where she sings “The sun will shine from time to time
Oh will you dream of me again” the voices glitches out into a crunchy distorted thing (a guitar?) it sounds super jarring.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 17 February 2024 15:30 (two months ago) link

Before opening this thread, I thought it was about the state, to which I was going to say: DUD. The biggest dud.

Ah, well.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 17 February 2024 18:02 (two months ago) link

Texas never really hit over here. i don't think. i still see that first album around so some people did buy it. there was a lot of advertising for it. but not like they bought The Corrs here. so many Corrs CDs....

Deacon Blue is another one. that i don't think really made much of a splash here. around the time of Texas. but they did spend some money on them here.

scott seward, Saturday, 17 February 2024 18:18 (two months ago) link

speaking of Wales, The Alarm is playing here! oof. with....Belouis Some and some variation of Gene Loves Jezebel.

scott seward, Saturday, 17 February 2024 18:19 (two months ago) link

i know that we weren't talking about Wales...

scott seward, Saturday, 17 February 2024 18:20 (two months ago) link

The Alarm were one of the worst examples of the 80s craze for anthems.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 17 February 2024 18:25 (two months ago) link


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