Blue Note Jazz Vs Impulse. and C/d

But for my money, nothing gets you through a Sunday like Bill Evans on Riverside.

Sonny Rollins - A Night At VV
Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue
Joe Lovano - From The Soul
T.S. Monk - Genius of Modern Music
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch
Andrew Hill - Point Of Departure
Larry Young - Unity
Ornette Colemen - Golden Circle 1 & 2

Jimmy Smith is not unhip.

I wasn't expressing a personal opinion of whether Smith is hip or not. As it happens I don't care for his music, but I didn't like it when he was more fashionable either.

Are these people really jazz fans? Or some other kind of consumer / cultural tourist / what-have-you? I can't think of any self-described jazz fan who really cares about the form and its history "looking down" on Blue Note.

Best 'modern' Blue Note alb - the Don Grolnick 'Complete Blue Note Recordings', although that Lovano ArfArf mentioned is pretty terrific too. I dunno abt looking down on Blue Note, but I sure do look down on Norah Jones.

So you cherish your Lionel Hampton, Paul Gonsalves, Shelly Manne, Coleman Hawkins, Milt Jackson, Chico Hamilton, and Clark Terry lps on Impulse?

Art Blakey, Curtis Fuller, John Coltrane, Freddie Hubbard = recorded for Blue Note. And Impulse.

I dunno. I guess I just never understood all the folx that go for the "waaay out man!" sounds of free jazz, but can't be arsed to sit down and deal with compositional complextity, inspired musicianship, and terrific group interplay offered on the best of the classic sides on Blue Note, Prestige, Riverside, Savoy, Candid, etc. I guess it's just all about texture, huh? Fair enough, I suppose; I certainly dig a lot of music for texture.

Bill Evans albs = all abt texture

it features a chorus led by (eu)Gene McDaniels. it's got such a strange sound. super dark and spiritual. the songs kinda almost sound like something that could be found in a musical (weird melodies, almost classical singing style).

it really reminds me of the max roach albums with vocals ('In Time,' 'Lift Every Voice and Sing,' and 'Freedom Now Suite' - i LOVE these albums) and some of David Axelrod's albums with chorus like 'Earth Rot'

but if i had to choose, i'd easily go for Impulse (whose owner Creed Taylor started CTI and main producer Bob Theile started Flying Dutchman). i just really prefer my jazz to be modal, spiritual, and 9 times out of 10 come from post '65

Re vibes players: after hearing Khan Jamal on the new Shipp alb, I'd like to pick up more of his vibes stuff, and Gary Burton cld get fairly 'out' at times, at least to begin w/

But some thoughts:

- the best disco stuff is very tightly arranged, and that is its great appeal for me. The best of Chic, EWF and loads of one-off disco records are perfectly realised little formal masterpieces. It's the antithesis of improvised music.

- Trying to create an interestingly structured solo on top of these very repetive rhythms and (usually) very static harmonies is very, very difficult. I think the reason that Miles's electric/funk stuff has stood the test of time better than a lot of jazz funk is that he more or less abandoned the idea of the music's focus being a single soloist playing a linear solo. You just don't have enough variety in the rhythm and harmony to play off.

Interesting that you should mention vibes players because I was listening to Blue Note's "Best of" Bobby Hutcherson and most of it is (at first listening at least) very beautiful and subtle (if not particularly adventurous) music and then the last few tracks just slip disappointingly into that territory I don't like, static rhythms and harmonies and the soloist meandering rather than telling a story.

The recent "I Called Him Morgan" documentary about Lee Morgan and his wife Helen that is now out and about is a must see if you are a fan of this era of jazz music. It is definitely a look behind the curtain and a portrait of a music and a time gone by.

Lee Morgan is one of my faves. Would like to see that. Finally picked up the 3xCD Live at the Lighthouse at an affordable price and its quite brilliant.

Been on another Blue Note kick again actually. Lee Morgan, Donald Byrd, Freddie Hubbard, Joe Henderson, Grant Green, Jackie McLean, McCoy Tyner but I really need to get more Impulse stuff. I do have a bunch but its not enough.

Anyone care to recommend some of their faves? Blue Note and/or Impulse.

Dont need any John/Alice Coltrane or Archie Shepp/Pharoah Sanders recommendations but other stuff like that yes please!

cti

― chaki (chaki),

oh and chaki any recs for CTI (got the freddie hubbard stuff)

There’s a 4CD CTI compilation that’s an excellent starting point. If you like that, dive on in - George Benson, Freddie Hubbard, Stanley Turrentine, Grover Washington Jr, Idris Muhammad, Hank Crawford and Joe Farrell all made killer albums for the label.

Dont really like comps but I will check out the artists you mention. I know a couple of Idris Muhammad albums really well.

thanks

Blue Note put out all sorts of classic jazz coming out of bebop, most all of Monk's tunes came out on their label first. Earliest of these came out before the LP as 10" singles and were later compiled including other big bebop players like Bud Powell, Monk and others.

Pretty much if they were a sideman of Coltrane or Miles, they put out records on Blue Note mixing up the personnel and adding in other big jazz players of the day. Some did 1 record for the label and moved on, but some like Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter put out quite a few records including a couple of their best on Blue Note.

Really, you can't hold any single label up like Blue Note - they were there from the end of the war/bebop to fusion. Their success kind of paved the way for that later wave with Impulse and others.

Mingus pretty much recorded for everyone but Blue Note, although I think he might be on something as a sideman on bass, but maybe not. Curious to look that one up.

Re: CTI I absolutely love the self titled Joe Farrell Quartet album. The duo album with George Benson too.

Highly recommend Grover Washington Jr.'s Mr. Magic.

I find CTI to be the perfect music for comps -- so much great music and yet very few records I enjoy listening to all the way through.

Individual CTI album recommendations:

Stanley Turrentine, Sugar, Salt Song, Cherry, Don't Mess With Mister T
Freddie Hubbard, Straight Life, Red Clay
Idris Muhammad, Power of Soul
Hank Crawford, Wildflower, Don't You Worry 'Bout a Thing (these were on CTI sub-label Kudu)
Joe Farrell, Joe Farrell Quartet, Moon Germs
Grover Washington Jr., Inner City Blues, Soul Box, Mister Magic (these were also on Kudu)

I have the Freddie and Idris albums but not the others so will check them out, thanks!

Milt Jackson's Sunflower is very good, strings and all

Been listening to a couple of Roy Haynes albums on Impulse tonight following on from a Pharoah Sanders and Archie Shepp marathon.

This isn’t your ride, is it?

So this Joe Farrell stuff is great! Ordered a 3CD set from amazon it has Quartet/Moon Germs/Outback on it. The latter isnt on spotify but liked the other 2 enough to buy it.
Listening to the more jazz funk albums on Spotify and liking them too.

I now have 2 CDs with 3 albums on each. Thanks for the recommendations, Phil!

Kerr in case you are interested we have revived this listening thread:

Sun Ra in Chronological Order: An Arkestra Listening Thread + Related Solar Sounds

cheers!

remember the listening club ilm craze of a decade ago? lol

somebody did indeed do a jazz club
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