S/D: Thin White Rope?

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Having only heard the 2-disc The One That Got Away, which I assume is at least partly comprised of earlier material, I'm curious to hear from ILX-ers what the fuss is really about. Steer me in the right direction...

paul cox (paul cox), Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:03 (seventeen years ago) link

New "I gotcha 'thin white rope' right here, pally!" answers.

paul cox (paul cox), Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Matt Maxwell to thread!

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Search: Moonhead for starters. Sack Full Of Silver for the groovy cover of "Yoo Doo Right".

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Search: _Moonhead_. Totally essential. Fried and damaged in the best possible way, featuring snaking twin guitar lines from Messrs Khyser and Kunkel. Highlights: "Moonhead", "Not Your Fault" and the whole damn rest of it. Also search _Sack Full of Silver_ for the titanic cover of "Yoo Doo Right" (which i once had the privelege of playing for a San Diego alternastation when they stupidly let me on the radio for an hour). Also search out their cover of "Little Doll" by the Stooges. Makes Spacemen 3's cover sound lame. The other albums are good, with standout tracks certainly, but these listed above are the good stuff.

-Matt, taking a break from spackling.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:29 (seventeen years ago) link

The One That Got Away is TWR's last concert and their final release as a band.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 6 February 2003 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Guy Kyser was my plant biology teacher at Davis.

Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 6 February 2003 06:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Search - everything. I've not heard a bad Thin White Rope record. Definitely search Moonhead, Sack Full of Silver and the live album as mentioned above. The Ruby Sea is also one of their best, bit more variety on there. Check out the 'Red Sun' EP and you must hear their cover of 'Everybody has been burned' (from the Byrds covers album)

A mighty fine band, great guitar work as mentioned by Matt, but what made them so good was Guy Kyser's voice. It sounds like it comes from some other place, from the other side of your nightmares. Insinuates itself into your soul. He could sing a nursery rhyme and it'd sound fucking spooky.

A great band live as well. Only saw them once, towards the end (Ruby Sea tour) at the Joiner's Arms in Southampton, but they were as good as I'd hoped.

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 6 February 2003 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Guy Kyser was my plant biology teacher at Davis.

i've read somewhere (online interview i think) that he's gone back to gardening...

great band. most goodies have been mentioned above. also, i really like their version of some velvet morning.

willem (willem), Thursday, 6 February 2003 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm quite partial to THE RUBY SEA as well. Great, unjustly forgotten band.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

guy kyser's mummydogs put out their first album last year -- some good parts, but not as good as TWR, especially without the Kyser/Kunkel guitar interplay.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

From what i've heard, Khyser still teaches at UC Davis. He's got a new band, called The Mummy Dogs, but i've not heard their first album (released late last year, if memory serves.) I think other folks here probably have, though, and might want to comment.

James is right, Guy Khyser's voice is a crucial part of the band, as are his lyrics (and i don't say that sort of thing very often).

Shout-out to my homie Kris from alt.music.alternative!

-Matt, needing coffee

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I like their overall sound (from what I remember), but I could not get past the voice.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 6 February 2003 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

a few brief thoughts on the TWR -- all the albums are great, even the singles, etc. -- a classic melding of different stuff before they even became "hip" again like country, krautrock, Suicide and Lee Hazelwood sewn together by the Kyser/Kunkel guitar interchange and Kyser's world weary, worn out voice and lyrics, be it "Macy's WIndow" or the alienated brevity of "Puppet Dog."

a few more brief thoughts on Mummydogs -- the album came out last year on the revived http://www.frontierrecords.com/">Frontier label, which is being distributed by http://www.mordamrecords.com">Mordam. a decent return by Guy -- but after TWR, maybe a little too straight up without some of the interplay TWR was especially good at. still nice vocals from Kyser and his wife and sign of perhaps even better things to come if the Mummydogs continue and Kyser finds his footing better with his new group.

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 6 February 2003 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I was always partial to In the Spanish Cave. . . . It isn't one of the more-frequently name-checked albums, or even their most consistent, but the first side of it is a near-perfect slice of foreboding "desert rock" (remember that?) attitude and sonics. It'd be great if someone would release a proper best-of, although I guess if I could get my lazy ass into the MP3 age, I could do it myself.

Lee G (Lee G), Thursday, 6 February 2003 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Captan Long Brown Finger In The Spanish Cave was the first album of their I got having been blown away by Red Sun. The rest is all great too.

tigerclawskank, Thursday, 6 February 2003 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Good news.I read that Frontier is going to reissue the Thin White Rope albums.Moonhead is definitely where to start.Television if they'd spent way to much time in the desert smoking bad cactus.In the Spanish Cave has moments but suffers from a thin sound.Sackful of Silver is a desolate forlorn work where the vibe is more important than the songs.It works really well as an album.The Ruby Sea is the weird alt country album.It has some great songs particularly Hunters Moon.the new project Mummydogs is more relaxed,less neurotic but is to my mind more acoustic blues based.Also Thin White Rope have an album of rarities out which includes their versions of Burn the Flames which outpsychos Roky Erickson & Some Velvey Morning which has one the great guitar crecendos.Yeah i love these guys.One of the most unjustly ignored bands ever.

evan chronister (evan chronister), Friday, 7 February 2003 07:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Also Thin White Rope have an album of rarities out...


the reissue news is grebt! (though i have most of their stuff on vinyl, it would be fantastic if they included some interesting bonus-stuff)

willem (willem), Friday, 7 February 2003 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Just checked out the track listing for 'Spoor' and it doesn't seem to have 'Everybody has been burned before', the Byrds cover. Not sure where you can get it now but it's a great cover (of one of my favourite Byrds songs).

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 7 February 2003 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

that byrds-cover can be found on squatter's rights (never heard it btw)

willem (willem), Friday, 7 February 2003 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
Listening to "Moonhead" for the first time in about 6 years after rescuing it from the "get rid of this" pile, SO glad I did. ALRIGHT.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:26 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Just re-listening to Moonhead (actually Moonhead...Plus diablo records release), and like above it has been saved from a 'get rid of pile' - damn it's a good record - I just played it back to back with eleventh dream day's 'prairie school freakout' and both rekkids guitars sounds equal desert peyote - real good fun on a Sunday before a ball game.

BlackIronPrison, Sunday, 5 August 2007 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

Their former manager ML Compton has been posting tour stories irregularly on his Myspace site:


Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 August 2007 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

One of my very favorite bands. I just love the whole package so much. Guy's basalt vocals, the thick twining snake guitars, the natural-history-tinged lyrics, the twang wedded to the dino-hevviness, the "this is a song about waking up with an acid hangover and a boner".

I miss them so. If I were to send someone home with two of their releases to try'n make a fan outta them, it would be Moonhead and the very well-chosen best-of When Worlds Collide.


Jon Lewis, Monday, 6 August 2007 14:45 (twelve years ago) link

eleven months pass...

I listened to White Heaven first album the other night and Kurihara's super-scorching guitar sound blew me away as usual.
Suddenly it reminded of Thin White Rope.
The Kyser/ Kunkel interplay was obviously impressive in its Television-inspired detail, but it is the monstrous sound of their guitars that really made TWR. So dark, powerful and impossibly sad.
And the way Guy Kyser concocts haunting, spooky natural images like a cowboy Georg Buechner: "Ants are cavemen" is him channeling a delirious Woyzeck-like enthomologist of sorts and sounding at the same time frightening and funny.
Best 80's American band, period.

Marco Damiani, Friday, 1 August 2008 14:34 (eleven years ago) link

:-) Definitely encourage everyone again to check out ML's blog I linked up there for more TWR stories, among many other things. Need to break out the albums again.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 August 2008 14:45 (eleven years ago) link

I checked it a couple of times and its fun.
Give the albums another try, Ned: the production unfortunately isn't always that good, but the songs are ace. Kyser was a very personal writer. Also no other band in the world is equally in debt with Marty Robbins and Joy Division!

Marco Damiani, Friday, 1 August 2008 15:00 (eleven years ago) link

One of my favorite bands of the 80s. So alien, unlike almost anything else, either in their time or out of it. People often mention Television and Paisley Underground contemporaries like the Rain Parade and the Dream Syndicate in describing them, and while that's fair, it doesn't get at how strange they were underneath. Love the snaky, heat shimmer guitar tangles, the super-creepy storytelling and Kyser's wobbly, wierdly affected vocals. They're about the most Halloweeny band I can think of, and the best part is that they manage it without ever resorting to campy spook-show schtick. They rarely sound like they're trying to be scary ("Disney Girl" and the Ruby Sea LP being clear exceptions), but they scare the crap out of me anyway.

'Course, it isn't an accident, either. Most of the lyrics read like ghost stories, and the ones that don't rarely have anything reassuring to say. Creeping you out was obviously a big part of the intent. Still, for all the theatricality, there's never anything forced about it. The vibe of alienation and depersonalization fits with the music and with the subject matter, making it ring true, at least in the sense that it doesn't seem like an act.

Agree that they never really got the production they deserved, but it doesn't bother me much. I like the records the way they are.

contenderizer, Friday, 1 August 2008 17:58 (eleven years ago) link

Their version of 'Some Velvet Morning' was fantastico.
Fuck - i forgot about the Rope!
Saw them live too. Excellent

Fer Ark, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:45 (eleven years ago) link

Totally love the "Yoo Doo Right" cover.

gygax! started a thread about it once.

Steve Shasta, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:53 (eleven years ago) link

contenderizer: They always reminded me of Television crossed with Skynyrd.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:07 (eleven years ago) link

Gimme three steps toward the ghost-cow.

contenderizer, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:09 (eleven years ago) link

along with thinking fellers, this is one of those bands I'm surprised has/had the cult following they did, they seemed like not such a big deal when around. glad to see shasta still flying the flag for them. what is guy keyser doing now?

akm, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:24 (eleven years ago) link

also it dawns on me that I actually know someone who was in this band, which I forgot about.

akm, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:25 (eleven years ago) link

see also:


nerve_pylon, Friday, 1 August 2008 21:37 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

Moonhead is a classic (listening right now). I also always had a soft spot for The Ruby Sea, which some seem to find a little slick.

Duke, Saturday, 28 March 2009 16:48 (eleven years ago) link

Can't believe I never posted on this thread. Still one of my favourite 80s bands. Moonhead is a deathless uber-classic, especially the title track. One of the few bands where I'm *really* bummed out that I never saw them live properly, only in a tent at the Reading festival, and even in that setting they sounded monstrous.

Dom Cry For Me, Passantino (NickB), Saturday, 28 March 2009 19:38 (eleven years ago) link

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Duke, Saturday, 28 March 2009 20:04 (eleven years ago) link

erm... I mean this:

Duke, Saturday, 28 March 2009 20:04 (eleven years ago) link

#1 on my "reunite for ATP" list.

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 28 March 2009 22:02 (eleven years ago) link

I only ever had The Ruby Sea, but o how I oved it, "Puppet Dog" especially. That one hit me right away, the rest was a grower. I haven't thought about them in years, but this thread is making want to seek out some of their other records.

2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Saturday, 28 March 2009 22:06 (eleven years ago) link

Puppet Dog is a great song. One of the best on The Ruby Sea. If you like the Ruby Sea, do seek out Sack Full Of Silver and Moonhead

Duke, Saturday, 28 March 2009 23:02 (eleven years ago) link

Moonhead really is a stone classic, but the first album Exploring The Axis is worth seeking out too, especially for the first track 'Down In The Desert' which is fantastic.

MaresNest, Sunday, 29 March 2009 10:57 (eleven years ago) link

also it dawns on me that I actually know someone who was in this band, which I forgot about.

― akm

now I have no idea who I was talking about. who did I know in this band? I know someone who produced them at one point, at least.

akm, Sunday, 29 March 2009 15:31 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 19 May 2009 09:26 (eleven years ago) link

three years pass...

More people should cover TWR:


Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 03:40 (seven years ago) link

Damn you Ned for a sec I thought this bump was for a reunion!

Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:23 (seven years ago) link

xpost -- alas

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:36 (seven years ago) link

the pdfs are just the lyrics sheets/booklets as they were before

StanM, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:07 (one year ago) link

they were going to do the first 5 albums this year, so I suppose The Ruby Sea is still coming up

StanM, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:08 (one year ago) link

The digital version of Moonhead has four extra tracks compared with the original vinyl. As you can see I'm getting tempted here...

Duke, Sunday, 16 September 2018 13:47 (one year ago) link

Seemed like they shuffled around what was on as extra tracks from previous editions.
I think I had a coupl eo fthose tracks on In The Spanish cave but not sure where Roger's Tongue came from.
Some of that stuff is off the Bottom feeders e.p. isn't it? Not sure about chronology of tracks recording so where they fit.
I saw taht In The Spanish cave had Munich Eunuch again

Stevolende, Sunday, 16 September 2018 14:50 (one year ago) link

Can’t wait to compare the sound quality of the new Triangle Song mastering. I don’t want to go into detail rn but there are things about that recording that have really bugged me

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 16 September 2018 16:03 (one year ago) link

One of my favourite songs

Duke, Sunday, 16 September 2018 16:49 (one year ago) link

Do tell us what bugs you!

Duke, Sunday, 16 September 2018 16:50 (one year ago) link

Then again, maybe it'll start bugging us all....

Duke, Sunday, 16 September 2018 16:50 (one year ago) link

do you mean the way someone is fiddling with various instrument volumes all the time and how some of it sounds like liquid stereo (I always imagined they reconstructed that track from tapes they had thrown away initially)? yeah, it's still like that.

StanM, Sunday, 16 September 2018 17:35 (one year ago) link

Yes. That.

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 16 September 2018 23:46 (one year ago) link

there's probably some clever reason they mixed it like this, but I can't figure it out.

StanM, Monday, 17 September 2018 02:24 (one year ago) link

do mixing desks have randomisation buttons with a triangle on and it felt lol funny to use it for this song? (triangle = D = delta = difference in math writing)

StanM, Monday, 17 September 2018 03:08 (one year ago) link

That almost sounds like a thing someone would do

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Monday, 17 September 2018 04:57 (one year ago) link

Late realization, but watching live videos it's so obvious that Guy Kyser started life as a banjo player. His thumb pick and hand posture are typical Scruggs style.

Duke, Friday, 21 September 2018 20:38 (one year ago) link


The Ruby Sea remaster is still coming up + Lisa/Frontier might do an odds and ends compilation and a remaster of The One That Got Away

StanM, Friday, 21 September 2018 21:14 (one year ago) link

Thanks for this!

Duke, Saturday, 22 September 2018 11:31 (one year ago) link

LF: I’ll have to wait and see how the reissues go as I need funds to do more, but I certainly hope so– now or anywhere in the future. Guy knows that I’d have a stroke if he ever wrote a new TWR song and/or if he formed a new band of any kind. (He briefly had a bluegrass band with Roger and I drove up to SF alone the instant that I heard they were playing!) My most fervent dream in life is that Guy will return to music, but mostly I want him to be happy in life whether it includes writing or playing music. It’s just that I’d like for Guy and Roger to finally get their due, something Guy could care less about, I’m sure!

This part from lisa fancher made me cry!

It remains a life ambition of mine to shake guy’s hand. <3

I did NOT know he played with a thumb pick! All throughout twr or just later on when the c&w vibe got stronger?

I would really like fancher to write something long about twr again- her liner notes for the When Worlds Collide comp were so great.

Awesome detail that the lyrics for RS came from a solo wilderness wander to get his head straight

Also the clown song is just such a brilliant piece of writing

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 22 September 2018 12:55 (one year ago) link

Watch live TWR videos and you'll see he plays the guitar with thumb pick. Hand posed like a bluegrass banjo player. Guitar tuned to open G, I'd bet

Duke, Saturday, 22 September 2018 12:57 (one year ago) link

I remember the Melody Maker review pictured in that article. They were huge TWR fans

I also remember an earlier feature by Everett True, where he ends up joining the chorus at the end of The Fish Song. FISH!!!!

Duke, Saturday, 22 September 2018 12:58 (one year ago) link


cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 22 September 2018 13:00 (one year ago) link

I think he is credited on the LP

Duke, Saturday, 22 September 2018 13:02 (one year ago) link

I think the only in depth twr article I remember from the original time was the mondo 2000 interview (which was a really good one). There were always reviews of course. It was a particularity savory review of Moonhead in OPtion magazine that started me.

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 22 September 2018 13:03 (one year ago) link

Mondo 2000 interview: the one that was posted in this very thread on Wednesday, 10 July 2013 ?

StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2018 13:47 (one year ago) link

I know that Bucketful of Brains have a cover photo of them in Russia. Not sure what the story accompanying it says.

Stevolende, Saturday, 22 September 2018 14:09 (one year ago) link

Yeah that’s the mondo interview upthread. Unforgettable

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 22 September 2018 15:06 (one year ago) link

bucketfull of brains cover photo & one page from the interview:


scanned page: https://img.cdandlp.com/2018/01/imgL/119033806.jpg

StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2018 16:23 (one year ago) link

Interesting how that BoB writer is well aware of the significance of A Can of Bees era Soft Boys and especially “The Pigworker” (especially live!) in this lineage of crushingly glorious twin guitar rock

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 23 September 2018 16:29 (one year ago) link

Russia cover photo apparently ties in with the cover mounted single. I can't find a story on the band in the issue.
Just found it beside my bedm saw back cover advert for Dave Graney's my life in th plains and thought it might be that issue.
Says there are stories in numbers 11; 13 and 25. Russia cover is 33.

Stevolende, Monday, 24 September 2018 00:30 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

(out next week)

StanM, Friday, 1 February 2019 20:27 (one year ago) link

it's out!

StanM, Friday, 8 February 2019 08:52 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Does anyone know if this was remastered in 2019? I've a sneaking feeling it's a reissue of a 2002 remaster

Duke, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:15 (one year ago) link

I mean this:


Duke, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:18 (one year ago) link

Was that one remastered though? Discogs usually mentions that where it says "reissue"

The 2019 credit sheet contains "Remastering: Paul du Gré" just like all the other 2018/2019 versions but I don't know for sure about 2002.

StanM, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:24 (one year ago) link

I'm thinking this because they seem to be selling that CD as well, as a 2018 product.

Duke, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:42 (one year ago) link

I have the 2002 "Exploring..." and it had that same "Remastered etc" sticker on the front

Duke, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:45 (one year ago) link

(I'm considering getting the CDs)

Duke, Thursday, 11 April 2019 19:43 (one year ago) link

Update. I bought Moonhead. Amazon lists it as released in 2018. It looks like the CD on the Bandcamp page:


And the barcode tells me its this:


Duke, Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:28 (one year ago) link

Which is reassuring but also confusing as my Exploring the Axis had exactly the same sticker on the front but is apparently a 2002 reissue.

Duke, Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:29 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Exploring the Axis is a seriously fucking amazing record

think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:01 (ten months ago) link

Thin White Rope
Samurai Sound Labs CA
The Rational demos

(9th in series)

info source:
Lineage: SBD tape (unknown gen) > Apple G4 > AIFF > FLAC

The cassette states that these were recorded at Samurai Sound Labs CA on 1984-05-26.

Anyway this set is ripped from a tape of demos given to Frontier Records and the copy I have is a low generation copy although there is some tape hiss it's still an excellent set.

Total 1:01:10

1. The real west
2. Waking up
3. Moonhead
4. From home
5. Down in the desert
6. Munich Eunich *
7. Here she comes now ** Removed
8. And those fears
9. Not your fault
10. Disney girl
11. Three song
12. Atomic imagery
13. Dead granmas on a train
14. Eleven
15. Mother
16. Exploring the axis
17. Lithium

I wonder if these are the demos produced by Scott Miller that he mentioned in Music: What Happened?

think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:06 (ten months ago) link

(upon further research I'm thinking: duh, yeah, prolley is...)

think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:09 (ten months ago) link

The text file with that download contained this, that seems to suggest it prolley ain't:

"There's an article by Joe Becker from the band on their origin in which he makes reference to a several of the demos that the band recorded at this time. I don't *think* that these are the demos produced by Scott Miller (later of Game Theory and the Loud Family) because they date from 1983. Maybe they're the demos produced by Russ Tolman (from True West). Who knows?! They're great anyway.
The cassette had obviously been copied a couple of times before it got to me and there a couple of minor wows and flutters on the tape but, if you're a fan of the Rope, that won't deter you none.

The article can be read at https://web.archive.org/web/20120301130712/http://www.davis80smusic.com/davis80smusic%20thin%20white%20rope%20joe%20becker.htm "

StanM, Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:13 (ten months ago) link

Oh they were called the "Rational demos" and Game Theory self-released their early stuff on "Rational Records"

think the toledo mud hens but for twitter (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:45 (ten months ago) link

ok, +1 point for the Scott Miller theory then after all :-)

StanM, Sunday, 7 July 2019 09:48 (ten months ago) link

ten months pass...


Maresn3st, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:07 (one week ago) link

Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:14 (one week ago) link

I Think I was at that show.
Definitely saw tehm at the venue and assume it would have been that year.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:02 (one week ago) link

would've been amazing to see them at the boardwalk, great venue! saw both the young gods and fugazi there in 89-ish, perfect sweat-infested box of sound

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:36 (one week ago) link

Thanks for the heads up!

StanM, Thursday, 21 May 2020 11:42 (one week ago) link

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