OOP Plaid Dog Productions

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Emptying out the roster of frontline Warp artists.

OOP Plaid: Dead Sea (or any other off of RPC)
OOP Black Dog: Psilcosyin

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 07:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Plaid : Last Remembered Thing.
Black Dog : Raxmus.

Wintermute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Plaid: Assault on Precinct Zero

I don't like the Black Dog a whole lot.

dog latin, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Plaid: Angry Dolphin
Black Dog: probably Chase the Manhattan

Omar (Omar), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

not too familiar with the plaid stuff but sharp shooting on saturn is the black dog's best.

michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

that long piano-y track on Bytes... Xeper, I think it's called.

Enid Roach (Enid Roach), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll second psilcosyin, absolute fucking genius!

arjun (arjun), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Second "Last Remembered Thing" (though New Bass Hippo close second)
Black Dog : Chesh

phil jones (interstar), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
Was listening to Spanners this morning. It's a curiously underrated album, I think, or maybe just not talked about as much as I would expect given all the early-IDM love that everyone but ILM has in spades. So full of ideas! Tracks veer from rickety detroit techno to acid house to tribal house to trip hop to etc. etc. etc. I also love the way they really think about the interplay between the off-kilter melodies and the off-kilter rhythms; reminds me a bit of current dancehall actually (think the French Vanilla riddim for example).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 11 June 2004 01:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I want to update my previous answer to the Plaid mix of "After Dinner" by Coba please as it's the best IDM tune ever. Chrsthxbye.

I really don't enjoy Spanners a whole lot, neither much off of Trainer either. Tracks like Psilcosine (track 5 off of Spanners) build up and build up and just as it's about to get good it stops. To me it just sounds like hippie tribal rubbish you'd expect from the Megadog crowd circa 93 (which it kind of is), but I adore Plaid.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 June 2004 08:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Virtual

I can never get the track names right on Bytes, though.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 11 June 2004 08:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Plaid - Angry Dolphin (unreleased mix). Black God - Chase the Mahattan or Olivine (is it called that - like dan i can never work it out).

Also tim OTM - Spanners is great and hugely underrated.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Spanners is indeed great. I can't do a OPO though, as I can never remember song names, especially techno/IDM/electronica, anymore.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:04 (sixteen years ago) link

hippie tribal rubbish you'd expect from the Megadog crowd circa 93

warm memories

mullygrubber (gaz), Friday, 11 June 2004 11:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I think what I love about Spanners is the very fact that it does flirt with "hippie tribal rubbish" and yet does it so well. Plaid are frequently beautiful but in that twee/safe proto-BoC quasi-Aphex way that you kind of expect from IDM, while Bytes is more furrowbrowed (have never seen nor heard the Black Dog album for GPR). I like the way Spanners flirts with being, y'know, uplifting dance music.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 12 June 2004 00:23 (sixteen years ago) link

olivine in INSANE. though "psil-cosyin" and "sharp shooting..." are also really really great and so are "glossolalia" and "vantool".

as for plaid ... i have to say i prefer the tura and balil material to plaid proper. i suppose "nort route" or "reishi".

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 12 June 2004 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Why do people hate on Plaid so much incedentally? Not anyone in this thread specifically, but it's the impression I seem to get.

I've been somehow reluctant to investigate them too. I have suspicions their albums get filler-ish, wiffly and mediocre. They don't seem to have a lot of edge. I've heard tracks I love like 'Eyen', 'Squance' and tracks which have just bored me and not seemed like much to speak of. I don't even care for 'Lilith' from 'Not For Threes' and it has Björk on it ffs! And the Björk remixes they did were ok but not as insanely great as the Black Dog work (maybe more 'playful' or something).

But I guess a few recent purchases of 'nice' electronica have made me think... maybe I should give these guys another chance?

I don't want to try and 'compare' them. I do love The Black Dog though (have all the albums excepting the stuff on 'Trainer' which I do know I need to get sometime.

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 25 June 2005 00:25 (fifteen years ago) link

and another vote for Psil-Cosyin, or maybe Cost II or Virtual Hmmm....

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 25 June 2005 00:48 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Aww.. why did I put off reinvestigating Plaid till now? :(

"Not For Threes" is lovely stuff indeed. I finally like the Björk song now(!) in context... I can see why I didn't think much of it last time I investigated, but I was wrong. It is also much more interesting than much of "Trainer" (almost tempted to sell that now!). Lovely completely unique harmonics, and quasi-classical & exotic sounds & strange oscillating, oval beats & rhythm constructions. I guess they are safe, friendly & downtempo, but in a good way. I'm always oddly reminded of Fila Brazillia when listening to them actually.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

not for threes is fine, but restproof clockwork is better! their best work was the first four tracks on double figure, but it gets a bit patchy after that.

i've really been getting into spokes recently. it's like some kind of kaleidscopic, ever revealing intricate ket-fueled wonder.

Vintage Latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Search : Björk Anchor Song remix. "bitten by Black Dog"

I'm remembered of B12 and Stasis when I listen to them. Both better IMHO

xpost - seconding Restproof as best LP overall

blunt (blunt), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link

And about that humble opinion of mine, seeing as I'm a recognized authority on just about jack squat, I'll at least add that B12 & Stasis did downtempo and uptempo floorzingaz

blunt (blunt), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link

five years pass...

I also love the way they really think about the interplay between the off-kilter melodies and the off-kilter rhythms; reminds me a bit of current dancehall actually

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, June 11, 2004 1:28 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark

I would just like to point out that I was OTM here.

Tim F, Monday, 18 July 2011 12:16 (nine years ago) link

Listening to Trainer not too long ago, I was struck at how much a lot of current Bass music is n a similar vein to what they were doing in the early 90s, no?

qpә (EDB), Monday, 18 July 2011 14:32 (nine years ago) link

Oh yeah I'd go so far as to say Black Dog/early Plaid is the biggest single across the board (albeit probably mostly inadvertent) reference point.

Tim F, Monday, 18 July 2011 14:33 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

Been getting really into Black Dog stuff recently, I think I like it more than Plaid on balance.

chap, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 16:18 (four years ago) link

chap : which era of black dog ?
i happen to think the new material is absolutely fantastic.
very much in the ambient-techno vein, and there are none of the mad breaks tracks like there used to be on the early albums.
basically, the new version of the collective, is a very different beast to the Warp era.

mark e, Thursday, 8 September 2016 14:15 (four years ago) link

I only got to really know Black Dog from Radio Scarecrow onward (I worked my way back from there though), indeed their more techno/ambient (or the other way around, depending on which album you pick) period. Not much talked about/loved (?) here, maybe too generic/not ambitious/weird enough for first gen. fans? I agree with mark e that it's absolutely fantastic.

willem, Friday, 9 September 2016 08:53 (four years ago) link

I've just been listening to classic era; Spanners and the Book of Dogma comp. I love the rave/acid house influences. I'll check out the new stuff.

chap, Friday, 9 September 2016 09:03 (four years ago) link

ordered a ton of the new stuff yesterday - liber chaos (the remixes), neither/neither, tranklements, very extended.

bloody hell it sounds good.

they really know how to craft deep sonics without overdoing the bottom end.

dont get me wrong, i love the spanners/bytes era, but these days, its the new material that i always turn to.

mark e, Friday, 9 September 2016 09:47 (four years ago) link

What's the best of the recent records?

Matt DC, Friday, 9 September 2016 10:02 (four years ago) link

if you like the more dancefloor friendly stuff, then the Liber dogma album, liber ep collection should do the trick ..

not had a lot of time to absorb the last 2 albums yet.

via their dust store, you can listen to excerpts.

mark e, Friday, 9 September 2016 10:07 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

two more albums coming this month

gotta say I've been digging Radio Scarecrow quite a bit lately. that album totally breezed by my eardrums on the first 3-4 listens but I'm loving it now

frogbs, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 20:43 (two years ago) link

OTAKU

brimstead, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 20:49 (two years ago) link

oops missed this revive.
i added details of the new albums to the recent Plaid thread revive.
have ordered both albums (and t-shirt - hope i get the old school smash hits badges as well),
cannot bloody wait, as i still have days/weeks when nothing hits the spot as good as tBD.
in other news.
a few days ago, they released a brilliant sunday morning hangover soundtrack :
https://soundcloud.com/the-black-dog/the-black-dog-live-at-photon-010418

mark e, Wednesday, 2 May 2018 19:28 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

quick update : both albums are bloody great if you like the whole tBD sound.
deep, rich sonically gorgeous ambient techno.
one album more techno, the other more ambient.
both sound deep and very ear pleasing.
and yes, I got the badges.
in fact I ended up with a spare set if anyone is interested.

mark e, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 22:24 (two years ago) link

thanks for the reminder. still picking up the ones I missed. glad these dudes are still at it.

frogbs, Thursday, 16 August 2018 13:45 (two years ago) link

Speaking of OPO I dug out the Parasight EP recently and spent a couple of days caning it. That and the first two Bedouin Ascent records are among the very best electronic (or any) music of the early 90s IMO.

Actually for me personally Bedouin Ascent edges it but this is the BDP thread.

Otaku is good too. A shame the Rising High catalogue doesn't seem to be getting much of a decent afterlife.

Absolute Unit Delta Plus (Noel Emits), Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:34 (two years ago) link

How does TBD compare to Plaid

I love plaid and all their remix work-collabs (particularly mara carlyle - the lovely, whom her husband of plaid produced)

Ross, Thursday, 16 August 2018 15:41 (two years ago) link

I only have one plaid album that I have heard a mere handful of times, so I cannot really comment.

mark e, Thursday, 16 August 2018 16:21 (two years ago) link

I think MHO is pretty close to conventional wisdom:

Plaid = whimsical, pretty melodies and harmonies (I don't mean this to sound dismissive AT ALL)

post-breakup tBD = bass and atmosphere, dat kick

as Voltron circa Bytes (and I really need to relisten to Temple of Transparent Balls) = perfect fusion. Plaid but harder-hitting. tBD but with more fun and play in it.

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Thursday, 16 August 2018 19:50 (two years ago) link


Plaid = whimsical, pretty melodies and harmonies (I don't mean this to sound dismissive AT ALL)
post-breakup tBD = bass and atmosphere, dat kick

perfectly describes why I clearly prefer the tBD side of the fence.

mark e, Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:04 (two years ago) link

don't dismiss Plaid. their trilogy (Not For Threes, Restproof Clockwork, Double Figure) is solid, classic turn of the century Warp par excellence. So much to enjoy on those

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:27 (two years ago) link

I will buy Plaid as and when I get the opportunity via my cheapskate options.
whereas I will continue to drop ££ on tBD cos I know they will always hit my ambient/techno requirements.

mark e, Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:40 (two years ago) link

P brane Ep by plaid is essential

Ross, Friday, 17 August 2018 14:27 (two years ago) link

If you like Plaid and really(?) haven't listened to Bytes (and indeed Spanners which is often more Plaid-like) and the other Balil stuff like the aforementioned Parasight EP (play Island immediately,) Nort Route and his As One remix, as well as Otaku which I think is an Andy Turner tune, then you are probably in for a bit of a treat.

Whether it was Ken feeding them strange ideas and/or potions or just something in the air there's some rare inspiration to this stuff.

Absolute Unit Delta Plus (Noel Emits), Friday, 17 August 2018 16:56 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

I think I like Bytes more than anything by Plaid. I revisit it more often than SAW1, even.

pomenitul, Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:32 (two weeks ago) link

good timing as there is a new tBD album, 'fragments', due in a couple of weeks.
that said, its nothing like the Bytes era.
much deeper/moodier/atmospheric.
hence why it hits the spot for me.

mark e, Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:42 (two weeks ago) link

Oh cool, I actually had no idea.

pomenitul, Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:48 (two weeks ago) link

Tracks like Psilcosine (track 5 off of Spanners) build up and build up and just as it's about to get good it stops.

this seems to be a common technique for plaid, lots of tracks that do that, Do Matter, Little People, Coat, Drowned Sea. sometimes it works, sometimes it’s more just irritating, and i wonder where does it come from (the technique not the irritation). it’s like fear to be too pretty or too emo or thinking it’s a proper build up for when they have an especially haunting melody.

as for the answer, OTAKU, forever

scanner darkly, Friday, 16 October 2020 04:15 (one week ago) link


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