Phil Spector: Murderer!

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Just heard a rumour that he's wanted by police today (2/3/03) for shooting a woman. Can't find any verification as yet. Anyone know anything about this?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 18:38 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Apparently, it was mentioned on MSNBC but there seems to be nothing yet online.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Monday, 3 February 2003 18:43 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

wonder what THAT felt like

goffin king, Monday, 3 February 2003 18:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

MSNBC just reported that Mr.Wall-of-Sound has just been arrested.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 February 2003 18:52 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Shortly after 5am this morning, officers responded to the 1700 block of south Grandview Drive, Alhambra, regarding a shooting call. When the officers arrived, they discovered that a female had been shot inside the location. The victim was pronounced dead at the scene. The suspect, Phillip Spector, was taken into custody and is currently being detained at the Alhambra police station. Sheriff’s homicide detectives were requested to assist in the investigation. Body still at the scene.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 3 February 2003 18:56 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

This sounds familiar.

(And if true, it's awful.)

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 19:01 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Phil Spector arrested in shooting death
Legendary producer taken into custody in L.A. suburb

Associated Press
Monday, February 03, 2003

ALHAMBRA, California -- Authorities in California say record producer Phil Spector has been arrested in connection with the shooting death of a woman.

The Los Angeles County sheriff's department says the Hall of Fame music producer was arrested at a house early today in the Los Angeles suburb of Alhambra.

The woman's body was found at the scene.

In his legendary career, Spector has produced such music greats as Tina Turner and the Ramones.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 19:37 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

All those recording artists to whom he waved a gun in the studio must be blanching right now.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 19:54 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

man, bad week for phil: first he gets wiped from Let it Be, then he kills a lady.

Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Monday, 3 February 2003 20:08 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

could this mean we've been spared the concept of the next Vines and Starsailor albums being produced by the man?

(sorry, bad taste i know)

stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 February 2003 20:11 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I was just gonna say I wish he'd blown the 'sailor away instead.

Ian SPACK (Ian SPACK), Monday, 3 February 2003 20:41 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He was always crazy and misogynistic, so I guess this shouldn't be so shocking. But he also made a lot of records I love, so I hope it turns out not to be true.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:40 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Was there ever a time he wasn't unhinged? I know it sounds awful, but I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 3 February 2003 21:59 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I wonder what this'll do to Cameron Crowe's long-awaited Spector biopic: last I read CC said all the script needed was an ending. I guess he's got it.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:25 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Honestly, I'm surprised it took him this long to actually shoot somebody. Reading his bio ("He's a Rebel" - great book) it makes this kind of career-capping scandal look inevitable.

Actually, it would've been more appropriate if he had kept the body interred and preserved in a state of ghostly perfection in a crypt on his estate...

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:49 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Nik Cohn's essay on Spector in that big Rolling Stone history is as haunting and powerful as rock journalism gets: I first read it when I was 15 and it blew me away. This was before I'd heard any of the records. I'm still reeling from the news: I always knew Phil was crazy but this is still a hard thing to take about a long-time hero of yours.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:57 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm a huge huge Spector fan - got the boxed set, a Ronettes collection, his Beatles/post-Beatles solo work, the Ramones record, his sole Yoko Ono production ("Season of Glass") - but you've got to separate the man from the work. One is not the other. And if you follow his personal history, the man is clearly completely fucking bonkers, and has been ever since his dad offed himself when he was a kid.

Got a link to that Rolling Stone article...? I've never seen it.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:04 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay !!!!!!!!!
'anthology' on DVD !!!

piscesboy, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:20 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

What about Anthology on DVD? Is there finally a release date? Been waiting forever for that f'n thing...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:24 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Oh dear. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls has become eerily prophetic.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 05:21 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Americans have no original ideas - Joe Meek, the UK's very own super-producer, shot a woman YEARS ago!

Robin Goad (rgoad), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 10:16 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, this is crazy...

...why would Phil Spector live in Alhambra???????????????

Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 10:51 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Phil Spector's victim , apparently.

Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 14:56 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Allegedly, that is.

Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 15:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

In his legendary career, Spector has produced such music greats as Tina Turner and the Ramones.

too funny!

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:07 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

If I remember correctly, Joe Meeks did the decent thing afterwards and offed himself. The only thing that's going to happen here are any of the following rich L.A. entertainment figure in trouble with the law scenarios:

1) Now that he's out on bail in less than 24 hours (which is ridiculous in itself), before trial, Spector flees to Brazil

2) Or after the trial, Spector flees to France (they won't extradite, especially if a person is facing the death penalty)

3) We can be assured of a drawn out expensive travesty of a trial that the people of California cannot afford to pay for

4) We can be assured the murder victim's reputation will be dragged through the mire while Spector is presented as merely mad as a hatter

5) Resulting most likely in a reduced manslaughter charge and he's out of the celebrity happy camp in less than six years.

bflaska, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 03:16 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Kind of gives a new meaning to that old Simon & Garfunkel lyric: I been Phil Spectored, resurrected.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 04:48 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I can't find the Cohn article online. It's in the Jim Miller-edited Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock & Roll, well worth getting. Try to find the original, if you can: the more recent update cut some good but outdated pieces in favor of some less interesting ones. (I think it was Anthony DeCurtis who did the editing on that version, which might explain why they dropped one of Bangs's essays...)

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 05:18 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

6) he gets off, celebrities don't go to jail unless they shoplift, murder is no big deal.

what if his trial coincides with robert blake's? will court tv need to do a split screen?

keith (keithmcl), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 05:41 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I think murder is a big deal.

But best to avoid even watching celebrity trials on court tv lest you become cynical too early on in life.

Blake and Spector haven't many options now. Snoop likely won't invite either of them to make pornographic movies any time soon. Maybe they'll just straighten up and start up a fashion line together for murderously rich L.A. male celebrities. BS is too hokey a name for people of this stature, maybe Off (as in off the hook but not pred-a-porte)

What's next now for troubled but talented Spector? Is he likely to enroll in Michael Hutchence chair dancing school?

bflaska, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 07:51 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

NEWS - Spector Charged With First-Degree Murder Of B-Movie Actress

(2/5/03, 7 a.m. ET) -- Phil Spector has been charged with the first-degree murder of B-movie actress Lana Clarkson, 40, of Los Angeles, who was allegedly shot and killed on Monday (February 3) at his mansion in Alhambra, California, an L.A. suburb.

The 62-year-old legendary record producer was arrested on Monday morning, then freed in the evening at $1 million bail. He faces arraignment on March 3 in an Alhambra court.

Police said they were called at about 5 a.m. by a limousine driver who reported hearing shots fired after he dropped off the couple at the gated estate. Officers arrived to find Clarkson shot, her body lying in the marble foyer of the mansion. She was pronounced dead and Spector was arrested.

Los Angeles County sheriff's investigators said Clarkson and Spector were the only people in the home at the time of the shooting. A gun was recovered on the scene, believed to be the murder weapon.

Clarkson's movie credits included producer Roger Corman's 1985 fantasy-adventure film, Barbarian Queen, which she had claimed inspired the popular TV series Xena, Warrior Princess. She also appeared in other pictures that includes 1988's Wizards Of The Lost Kingdom II and 1992's Barbarian Queen II: The Empress Strikes Back.

Spector is credited for creating the "wall of sound" and producing a slew of 1960s hits that include "Be My Baby" by the Ronettes, "Da Doo Ron Ron" by the Crystals, and "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" by the Righteous Brothers; as well as the Beatles' Let It Be album and recordings by John Lennon, George Harrison, Cher, and the Ramones. In 1989, Spector was inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. He received the Trustees Award from the Grammy Recording Academy in 2000 for his "significant contributions--other than performance--to the field of recording."

Known as a recluse, Spector bought the 33-room, castle-like mansion in 1998 for a reported $1.1 million. For many years, the music industry has been rife with tales of the famous producer allegedly brandishing firearms, even waving a pistol during recording sessions, including claims of such by members of the Ramones and the late John Lennon.

Attorney Robert Shapiro, once part of the legal team that defended O.J. Simpson against murder charges, is representing Spector.

-- Darryl Morden, Los Angeles

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 13:54 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

No need for a trial, LAPD never make mistakes, kill him now, blahblahfuckingBLAH.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 14:29 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

does California have the death penalty?

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:42 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yup.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 15:49 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

So, has anyone else here read "He's a Rebel"? Just curious, because I haven't found too many people on the net who have referenced it.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 16:24 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I have, but I gave my copy away and it's out of print, I think. I bet we can expect an updated bio or two within the next year.

Ronnie's book is worth reading too: there's a ton of copies of that one in almost every used bookstore I've been to lately.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:41 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I heard that Spector sued Ribowsky, the author, and that subsequent editions were expurgated. There's surprisingly little dirt out there about Spector, and you have a lot of people who have made statements and retracted them. I'm wondering if we'll find a lot more out now that he's vulnerable.

Kerry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 18:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

To clarify, I'm saying I think the publicity attending celebrity show trials is a disservice to everyone.

bflaska, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 19:37 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I've read "He's a Rebel" - great book, seemed like there was plenty of "dirt" in it. My bet on the outcome: Phil offs himself. It's a family tradition, after all.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 19:42 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

You know, that's not really funny.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 19:52 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

That wasn't a joke. Children of suicides are prone to suicide themselves, this is well-established.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 20:06 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I am all too aware of this fact. You stated it glibly, as a punchline, is all.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 20:12 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

sorry, don't have much pity for Phil at this point, saw no need to pull any punches...

Gris Gris Pinball, Wednesday, 5 February 2003 20:17 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Has anyone heard the December 2002 release by the Spectors, called "Beat is Murder"?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 22:21 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/05/1044318667702.html

Phil's last interview?

whether it is or not, it's an illuminating read:

"For years he did nothing. He was incapable of action. Paralysed. Projects came and went, unfulfilled. What could possibly interest him? Disco? "Terrible." Michael Jackson? "The most depressing, heinous thing. I mean, starting out life as a black man and ending up as a white woman, what's that all about?" Rap music? "Like the c got left off at the printers." Spector falls back on the sofa. "It's all been done! It's all been done!"

what's wrong with my HTML tags? they're ok i promise! (Charlie), Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:39 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Rap music? "Like the c got left off at the printers."

No, see, it's right there after the "i"!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:42 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

that's too bad. it seems he wouldn't really appreciate what i did with some Ronettes samples.

Honda (Honda), Thursday, 6 February 2003 02:52 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Phil Spector: Murderer?

(Getting out the rope)

Yes.

Kenan Hebert, Thursday, 6 February 2003 05:47 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
This unscripted ending is a recent follow up. Still awful.

bflaska, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 03:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Phal Spactorino

StanM, Thursday, 14 July 2011 22:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm out of order?! this whole studio's out of order!!

tylerw, Thursday, 14 July 2011 22:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

gooooooooop

i hate it when rats eat my bushels (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 July 2011 22:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I'm currently watching "The Agony and the Ecstasy of Phil Spector". Mostly I'd like to hear/read about his sessions with Leonard Cohen for Death of a Ladies Man. Are there any good books or website writeups about them?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 20:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

it gets a couple pages in Mark Ribowski's bio - not too in depth iirc but summarizes the more famous anecdotes about him being uncooperative and sequestering the tapes out of Leonard's reach, plus Ginsberg and Dylan showing up for "Don't Go Home With Your Hard On". But yeah, I am very curious about it as well.

I wish this was on youtube

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 20:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

It is.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 20:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

holy shit yr right!

brb

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 20:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

The footage of him in the 70's at that pool table is amazing. Where is that from? I want to see the whole thing.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 20:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

wait now I'm watching something that's clearly from the 2000s but is tagged as being from the 80s wtf

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 20:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/58255_10151248665743406_383829805_n.jpg
this movie is gonna be weird.

tylerw, Monday, 14 January 2013 18:34 (six years ago) Permalink

what movie?

Poliopolice, Monday, 14 January 2013 19:45 (six years ago) Permalink

The Mamet penned and directed movie about the trial, starring Al Pacino, Helen Mirren and Jeffrey Tambor.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 14 January 2013 19:49 (six years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

omg

downton arby (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 18:51 (six years ago) Permalink

intense. not sure how the movie can live up to the photos that have emerged, but ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 19:01 (six years ago) Permalink

Christ, did you see the trailer?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 19:24 (six years ago) Permalink

Pacino doesn't even sound like Phil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJK4i_K_38E

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 19:25 (six years ago) Permalink

starring al pacino as al pacino as phil spector doing an al pacino impersonation.

hot young stalin (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 19:29 (six years ago) Permalink

that looks DREADFUL

SOYLENT GREEN IS SHEEPLE (stevie), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 19:38 (six years ago) Permalink

Pacino doesn't even sound like Phil

wow yeah he really isn't even trying. Phil's voice is pretty distinct

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 19:48 (six years ago) Permalink

HOO-HA

Leopard Skin POLL-Box Hat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 19:59 (six years ago) Permalink

didn't know Mamet was behind this, which makes me way less interested

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 20:08 (six years ago) Permalink

Pacino doesn't even sound like Phil

I disagree. It's not spot on, but it's an approximation of his voice from the 2000s. Certainly doesn't sound like his voice on the Christmas albums, yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYBjOywJwLI

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 20:09 (six years ago) Permalink

why can't this be a biopic about his life in the 60s instead of this shit

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 20:10 (six years ago) Permalink

didn't know Mamet was behind this, which makes me way less interested

― Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, February 5, 2013 3:08 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Kinda amusing in light of recent events that at 1:02 there's a sign that says GUN CONTROL NOW and at 1:04 "From Writer & Director David Mamet."

Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 20:17 (six years ago) Permalink

Eh, still sounds like 70% Pacino and, I dunno, less than 30% Spector.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 20:34 (six years ago) Permalink

he attempted to do the gravelly thing, but granted it's not great

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 20:37 (six years ago) Permalink

Great another movie about what was on the news two years ago.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:13 (six years ago) Permalink

Persecuted by the feminazis!!

a tidy profit in Russia (Eazy), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:23 (six years ago) Permalink

that looks reaalllly bad

available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:31 (six years ago) Permalink

i hope there's a scene in the movie where some court house reporter carelessly tosses his cigar out and it inadvertantly lands in phil spector's hair

Spectrum, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:35 (six years ago) Permalink

He looks more like the MC5 dude..

I can only imagine him doing "ATTICA!!!..."

Mark G, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 19:39 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

David Mamet might be crazier than Spector at this point. At least Spector likely knows that he shot her.

abanana, Sunday, 17 March 2013 08:03 (six years ago) Permalink

Wouldn't be the first film to doubt that Spector murdered Clarkson ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90zip4w_ICU

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Sunday, 17 March 2013 10:55 (six years ago) Permalink

"my life is in the hands of 12 people who voted for George Bush."

Poliopolice, Sunday, 17 March 2013 16:18 (six years ago) Permalink

Yikes. This sounds more and more like the Spector version of Zero Dark Thirty.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 March 2013 01:54 (six years ago) Permalink

Mamet is insane, film at 11.

kaleb h. (Everything You Like Sucks), Friday, 22 March 2013 01:55 (six years ago) Permalink

Bring on Cameron Crowe's in-development Phil Spector movie! Daddy wants the Wall of Sound depicted.

Cunga, Friday, 22 March 2013 05:37 (six years ago) Permalink

just saw this. what a terrible disappointment.

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 03:10 (six years ago) Permalink

i remember reading something a long time ago about how cameron crowe's spector movie was running into problems because they 'couldn't figure out how to end it.' this was pre-2003.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 05:53 (six years ago) Permalink

Mamet is insane, film at 11.

One ILM poster friend of mine has noted previously that Mamet has an uncommon talent for finding ways to justify women getting slapped around in his movies/plays.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 13:39 (six years ago) Permalink

"Mamet, the writer, has publicly stated that he feels Phil Spector is innocent and should not be in prison," says spokesman Ed Lozzi. "We fear that he will rewrite history and portray Lana Clarkson as responsible for her own death. That is not acceptable, and if he does so, there will be consequences from us."

What, are you going to shoot him then?

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 14:00 (six years ago) Permalink

They're going to send him the 3LP box concept album by Godley & Creme.

Mark G, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 14:05 (six years ago) Permalink

Some things are worth killing for.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 20:09 (six years ago) Permalink

One ILM poster friend of mine has noted previously that Mamet has an uncommon talent for finding ways to justify women getting slapped around in his movies/plays.

Nah, that's not true, but he does have a good half-dozen scripts with false rape accusations, and this story is a variation on that.

That said, I liked it. Lots of Pacino time.

munching of foods in my ears etc etc (Eazy), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 06:53 (six years ago) Permalink

/One ILM poster friend of mine has noted previously that Mamet has an uncommon talent for finding ways to justify women getting slapped around in his movies/plays./

Nah, that's not true, but he does have a good half-dozen scripts with false rape accusations, and this story is a variation on that..

Really? Two that come to mind off the top of my head:

The Verdict -- Charlotte Rampling gets "justifiably" slapped in a restaurant.

Oleana -- Bill Macy beats the crap out of the woman who falsely accuses him of rape.

Pretty sure there are others...

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 12:17 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

July 2013

http://i61.tinypic.com/hss4d0.jpg

StanM, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 18:49 (four years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

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