Update: They've been playing about a half hour and there has been ZERO stage banter. I've seen grindcore bands take longer pauses between songs. These guys were absolutely merciless.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 September 2022 23:17 (one year ago) link
And after 11 two- to three-minute songs in a row, bang bang bang, they end with an eight and a half minute version of "Keep On Chooglin'." It's insane; it's like if the Ramones ended one of their shows with a cover of "Stranglehold."
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 September 2022 23:33 (one year ago) link
it's really something how great the music sounds and how utterly dreadful the picture quality on the interviews is. i guess last dance and get back raised the bar for the treatment of historical footage but man it's just... bad. a swarming mass of weird mpeg artifacts. sit far back enough from the TV and i guess it's alright? or squint. the overlaid text is just bad powerpoint default text as well, just minimum effort. and no insight, no stories, nothing surprising. on the other hand the music just sounds incredible. in fact every show on that european tour sounds incredible. is there high quality sound for all those shows? it's funny though, sometimes with creedence it's a little bit deflating because apart from the jams it really does sound - and they refer to this explicitly in the doc - so much like the record that you're like, well, okay, fine, i could just listen to the record.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 September 2022 20:23 (one year ago) link
last night i did a double-bill of this and the zz top doc and it was pretty funny how they both did the whole walk-hard thing, black and white footage of sock hops, etc. the zz top doc is easily superior in terms of funny stories and just all around quality but it felt extremely jarring to have it come to an end right after... eliminator? i'll probably take it to the zz thread but kinda disrespectful imo. "breakaway" on antenna is probably my favorite song they ever did.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 September 2022 20:26 (one year ago) link
sometimes with creedence it's a little bit deflating because apart from the jams it really does sound - and they refer to this explicitly in the doc - so much like the record that you're like, well, okay, fine, i could just listen to the record.Yes and no. The arrangements are certainly the same as the record — there’s no radical (or even slight) re-imagining of the songs. But the intensity, momentum, and juuust slightly and perfectly ahead-of-the-beat agitation makes it a far different, and more exciting, experience for me.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 19 September 2022 20:49 (one year ago) link
Yes and no. The arrangements are certainly the same as the record — there’s no radical (or even slight) re-imagining of the songs. But the intensity, momentum, and juuust slightly and perfectly ahead-of-the-beat agitation makes it a far different, and more exciting, experience for me.
Agree with this 100%. They were absolutely more energetic and intense onstage than in the studio; that's why I wound up focusing so much on the drums, and hearing the similarities to (Bon Scott-era) AC/DC.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 19 September 2022 21:14 (one year ago) link
it is better live, i agree.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 September 2022 22:34 (one year ago) link
Some nice slap-back / Sun Ra feedback delay on this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2oJIBQKlnw
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 01:28 (one year ago) link
this is enough of a thing that fogerty is even quoted discussing it on wikipedia but (given how political he was and how much of a touchstone it was for the counterculture in its years of defeat and setback and turmoil) i continue to love how jolly "bad moon rising" sounds
― mark s, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 10:33 (one year ago) link
One thing I took away from this was how many songs are in E that I had always thought were in D - Bad Moon and Mary come to mind
― calstars, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 12:21 (one year ago) link
D MajorThe key of triumph, of Hallejuahs, of war-cries, of victory-rejoicing. Thus, the inviting symphonies, the marches, holiday songs and heaven-rejoicing choruses are set in this key.D MinorMelancholy womanliness, the spleen and humours brood.E♭ MajorThe key of love, of devotion, of intimate conversation with God.D# MinorFeelings of the anxiety of the soul's deepest distress, of brooding despair, of blackest depresssion, of the most gloomy condition of the soul. Every fear, every hesitation of the shuddering heart, breathes out of horrible D# minor. If ghosts could speak, their speech would approximate this key.E MajorNoisy shouts of joy, laughing pleasure and not yet complete, full delight lies in E Major.
D MinorMelancholy womanliness, the spleen and humours brood.
E♭ MajorThe key of love, of devotion, of intimate conversation with God.
D# MinorFeelings of the anxiety of the soul's deepest distress, of brooding despair, of blackest depresssion, of the most gloomy condition of the soul. Every fear, every hesitation of the shuddering heart, breathes out of horrible D# minor. If ghosts could speak, their speech would approximate this key.
E MajorNoisy shouts of joy, laughing pleasure and not yet complete, full delight lies in E Major.
― mark s, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 12:24 (one year ago) link
I think they tuned down on at least some songs?
― Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 12:24 (one year ago) link
If you mean that some songs were played in a different key from the record at the RAH show, no, all songs were in the same keys as the recordings. But if you mean “tuning down” in the sense that some CCR songs use a drop-D guitar tuning, then yes — “Ramble Tamble” uses that tuning (where the high and low E strings are tuned to D).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:22 (one year ago) link
Haven't seen the doc yet, but I did read that the audio version of the set has apparently trimmed out brief moments of banter and guitar swapping, so perhaps that was also the case with the video of the show?
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:26 (one year ago) link
(xp) the latter
― Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:36 (one year ago) link
... actually no, I meant they'd tune down a whole step, if that's the right terminology.
― Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:39 (one year ago) link
As far as I can tell, CCR's instruments were all in standard tuning (lowest to highest strings): E A D G B E. On "Ramble Tamble" the tuning was D A D G B D.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:18 (one year ago) link
The video shows Fogerty stopping to drink something between songs, and a roadie hands him a different guitar a couple of times, but the pauses are never more than a few seconds, and he never speaks to the audience until right before "Keep On Chooglin'," and all he says is "Thanks; this is our last song, it's called 'Keep On Chooglin''."
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:22 (one year ago) link
Got it, I was just reading on another forum someone complaining that some between song stuff had been "excised" on the audio release.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:24 (one year ago) link
The Royal Albert Hall doc might have been a dvd release of just the concert in the 2000s, but it seems like they had to pad it with a documentary portion for Netflix. It's so flimsy though that it feels like someone created an AI prompt for "Creedence visiting European landmarks." Nevertheless, the show is a fun watch. The seated crowd mostly seems bottled up throughout until a handful of them lose their shit during "Keep on Chooglin.'" What a strange, powerful alchemy these guys had.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 12:29 (one year ago) link
good to hear stu explaining how very different denmark is from norway tho
― mark s, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 12:35 (one year ago) link
Watched the doc last night and christ, "Fortunate Son" is so amped up and frantic it sounds like the Feelies or something. Doug Clifford keeps pushing it faster & faster until by the end its like a hairs breadth from going completely off the rails. Fucking killer.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 23 September 2022 16:15 (one year ago) link
Damn, that lady in the front row losing it to "Keep On Chooglin'"...You only wish you could have as good a time as that.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:35 (one year ago) link
Proud Mary definitely has some higher string jangle in the studio recording so maybe they used capo on the second fret for that, but couldn’t be bothered live
― calstars, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:41 (one year ago) link
Gotta say that whole audience looks very 1965, was expecting hairier hippies.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 09:48 (one year ago) link
I say it all the time, most people didn't start getting really hairy till the 70s.
― Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 10:09 (one year ago) link
I've been looking at footage from Paris '68 recently and the men all have such short hair and are so neatly dressed.
― Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 10:10 (one year ago) link
It’s the royal albert hall, not the Fillmore west
― calstars, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 11:14 (one year ago) link
The audience at the Oakland Coliseum gig are similarly not very hairy.
― Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 11:23 (one year ago) link
that’s what they call CHOO-gih-LIEH
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link
it'll do
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 04:12 (one year ago) link
the guy who says great googly moogly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSAXLayoMKI
but instead he says great googly choogley
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 05:11 (one year ago) link
Meanwhile, back in the jungle.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iTT8tIVTkE
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 05:23 (one year ago) link
should post it in a lebowski thread but "I love you, but sooner or later you're going to have to face the fact you're a goddamn moron" would be a great tombstone quote.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 06:22 (one year ago) link
I've been on a big Creedence kick for the first time in a while, prompted by getting a nice copy of Green River finally. While listening to Sinister Purpose, I started thinking about an alternate version of the band by focusing on their apocalyptic/jammy side, like they were some lost blues/psyche band that released a one-off in 1970. So I constructed the following playlist, styled as a single LP:
Sinister PurposeSide A1. Born on the Bayou (5:15)2. Sinister Purpose (3:22)3. Ramble Tamble (7:11)4. Keep on Chooglin' (7:40)
Side B1. Run Through the Jungle (3:05)2. Graveyard Train (8:35)3. Gloomy (3:51)4. Effigy (6:27)
The one track that might not fit is Gloomy, so I could omit that and go with:
Sinister PurposeSide A1. Born on the Bayou (5:15)2. Sinister Purpose (3:22)3. Run Through the Jungle (3:05)4. Keep on Chooglin' (7:40)
Side B1. Ramble Tamble (7:11)2. Graveyard Train (8:35)3. Effigy (6:27)
Other replacements for Gloomy were Bad Moon Rising (too jaunty) or 45 Revolutions Per Minute Pt. 1 (would add a little psyche).
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Saturday, 17 December 2022 00:36 (one year ago) link
no "I Put A Spell On You"?
― sleeve, Saturday, 17 December 2022 00:38 (one year ago) link
Sinister is in E7 for the verses and goes to C7 for the chorus right ?
― calstars, Saturday, 17 December 2022 00:46 (one year ago) link
Or is it drop D
― calstars, Saturday, 17 December 2022 00:49 (one year ago) link
for me that’s not the “alternative version of the band” this playlist is the main side, the white-hot molten core of themi might add suzy q and a few others
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 17 December 2022 00:53 (one year ago) link
― sleeve, Friday, December 16, 2022 7:38 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
I thought about it, but I need to give it more of a try. If it replaced Gloomy, it would push it over my single LP limit of 45 minutes.
Also thinking about another LP length playlist that focuses on their sad-sack side. Like how depressing are Someday Never Comes and Wrote a Song for Everyone?
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Saturday, 17 December 2022 02:32 (one year ago) link
^ add both rain songs to that one
― calstars, Saturday, 17 December 2022 03:56 (one year ago) link
and Lodi
― sleeve, Saturday, 17 December 2022 03:57 (one year ago) link
Yeah, Lodi is pretty bleak.
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Saturday, 17 December 2022 18:22 (one year ago) link
I wish John had given into his instincts and pronounced “purpose” as “poipose”
― calstars, Saturday, 17 December 2022 18:31 (one year ago) link
The "depressing" CCR album should include "It's Just a Thought".
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 18 December 2022 19:29 (one year ago) link
Ok, put this together:
Someday Never ComesSide A1. Someday Never Comes2. Lodi3. Who'll Stop the Rain4. It's Just a Thought5. Wrote a Song for Everyone6. Long as I Can See the Light
Side B1. Bad Moon Rising2. Poor Boy Shuffle3. Feelin' Blue4. Have You Ever Seen the Rain5. I Heard It Through the Grapevine
It's almost 46 minutes long, so if I needed to remove anything it would be Poor Boy Shuffle/Feelin' Blue. I guess Long as I Can See the Light is a little hopeful, but I still feel it fits - he's not sure the light will be there to guide him.
That first side is something else.
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Sunday, 18 December 2022 20:23 (one year ago) link
Excellent work all
― calstars, Sunday, 18 December 2022 20:37 (one year ago) link
I'd maybe replace "Grapevine" with "(Wish I Could) Hideaway". Fogerty sounds genuinely distressed (about his brother leaving the group), not just fatalistic or dejected.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 19 December 2022 17:07 (one year ago) link
I will give that a try. I honestly don't know Pendulum that well and Mardi Gras almost not at all!
Listening to the Someday Never Comes playlist on the way to work this morning and was struck by two thoughts:
1) Someday Never Comes is a more direct and less maudlin Cats in the Cradle; and2) He makes Lodi sound like some outer plane of hell where crushed dreams and boredom reign.
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Monday, 19 December 2022 17:35 (one year ago) link
I always hoid it that way.
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 22 December 2022 12:20 (one year ago) link