Creedence Clearwater Revival: C or D?

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Come on, rockists! The most consistently great American band of the 20th century? Righteous roots-rock populists or preachy flannel-wearing poseurs? I say indisputably classic - four fabulously gritty albums in less than 12 months, packed with great singles and an undercurrent of "everyman" despair. Searched ILM and found no CCR-specific thread, so here it is...

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Fogerty was out of his mind in terms of writing great 3 minute singles those couple of years-an incredibly gifted and prolific songwriter at the time. After Creedence I don't really pay attention but definitely classic during late 60s early 70s. The more I think about it though, they aren't the sort of band I ever actually put on. But if I hear them on the radio I usually crank it

Colin O, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Who will answer the ringing clarion call to the rockist standard?

Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

This rockist says classic, big time.

I'd say the first 5 albums are great, 'Cosmo's Factory' is no dud. Long 'Grapevine' guitar solo and all.

They are the bollocks. Rocked as hard as the Stones at their best. 'Green River' and 'Willie and the poor boys' can stand happily alongside the likes of 'Let it bleed' or 'Beggar's Banquet'.

And you're right about the great singles. I came across them through 'Chronicle' which is as good an introduction as any.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

everyone go put on Bayou Country NOW!! "CCR as sacred cow" - no qualms with that

were they the last time a southern accent was 'cool' in rock?

the Creedence Cavalry (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

btw: "Dub Metal" !!!!!!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I love the way that when the rest of the band got shirty about their lack of royalties, just 'cos they didn't write any songs, JOhn Fogarty let them wrote the next incredibly shit album. Talk about giving them enough rope.

tigerclawskank, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

John Fogerty confirmed his greatness in my eyes when I saw him a few years ago. He had a new album he was pushing (a decent one too), but when he hit the stage, he reeled off 7 or 8 Creedence classics bang bang bang bang before he did any new material. And he sounded like he still loved the songs, whether he owns them or not. The audience was his after that; he could've spent the next hour and a half playing show tunes and we still would have loved him. But of course, he didn't. It was a terrific show. Classic in all the right ways.

Jesse Fox (Jesse Fox), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuckin' classic. Sporters of the flannel way prior to anyone in Seattle. "Fortunate Son," "Born on the Bayou," "Run Through the Jungle,"....? C'mon, they farkin' rocked!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I especially love how the rather non-patriotic Fortunate Son is routinely used/referenced as a flag-waiving ode to Thomas "B" Jefferson...

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, yes, yes, indeed. The best American group of the 60's,
IMO, and a truly righteous band that deserves homage for it's
achievements. CCR was one of my first bands, actually, and
as I delved into music I realized how much they owed to
their influences. But funny thing is, they're still 100%
original, because NO one sings or picks like John C. Fogerty.
He plays mean sax & organ, too.

Squirlplise, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Their radio singles are awesome. Some also have the bonus of being easy to play on the guitar. Certain songs in my life turn into a Mad Libs template for phrasing: I want to know, have you ever seen my keys? To come up with such a song, they are super!

Fivvy, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

C! could this be the elusive ILM unanimity we've searched so long and hard for?

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

classic! fogerty rules the school. that voice! wow. ccr was my fave band as a kid. i thought they totally rocked, and still do. "lodi" was one of the first songs that ever touched me. it's tacky, but true.

cecilia, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"C! could this be the elusive ILM unanimity we've searched so long and hard for? "

Wouldn't that be great? Part of me suspects that something about CCR doesn't translate well for the British ILMers tho... someone prove me wrong!

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Sporters of the flannel way prior to anyone in Seattle.

Along with half of Canada.

Still CCR are klassik, rockist or not.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll certainly give 'em a classic. The thing is, though normally thought of as a singles band, they had so many great and enduring singles (and album tracks in heavy rotation on rock radio) that you might as well buy all their albums. Not really any bum tracks to be heard up until Mardi Gras.

I'm still dreaming of some to-be-discovered bootleg recording of like a 20 minute live freakout jam on "Keep On Chooglin'"....

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Their albums are a bit light. All very short. Don't really have the depth past the singles.

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, but the point is they've got so many damn good songs, you end up with about 6 or 7 songs that you know and one or two that you don't. I wouldn't live without the albums, and without tracks like "Ramble Tamble", "Porterville", "Effigy" and "Keep On Chooglin'" ... Jesus Christ, just reading that list ... depth?! Whatever, I guess I'm just an unreconstructed rockist.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to hate them on principle but, really, they sound OK when the radio plays them. I used to think they were boring but I don't mind them now. I'm not about to buy a CD or anything but they seem all right.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to hate them on principle

On principle of what, disliking good music?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Total classic. Great songs (often a real and worthy antidote/counterweight to the more soft-headed bourgie impulses of '60s pop/rock), a great singer, and one of the best--and definitely most undersung--rhythm sections in all of rock music. Just cause it sounds simple doesn't mean it's easy.

Lee G (Lee G), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not saying they're bad albums, I love Creedence too... but you know, comparing to Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed... I don't think so...

Take Willy and the Poor Boys--Poorboy Shuffle and Side O' the Road are throwaways.

Green River--same goes for Cross Tie Walker, Sinister Purpose, Night Time is the Right Time.

I just remember really really loving the greatest hits when I was a kid. And then buying all the albums, and liking them, but being slightly disappointed that there weren't any real amazing finds beyond the singles.

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I have the singles comp and I like it. Rock was pretty good in the 60s.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

"Green River--same goes for Cross Tie Walker, Sinister Purpose, Night Time is the Right Time."

No way, I think all those songs are great, just as strong as the singles. The harmonies on "Night Time" are this really strong, deep thing. "Sinister Purpose" is totally creepy, it's like a prelude to a murder down by the river or something.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Not much more to say than classic.

hstencil, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Sinister Purpose I don't remember too well, to be honest. The good ones stick in my head ;) For me, Night Time was just too trad, dad. Actually, that's probably my problem with the album stuff in general--they seemed to just be doing straight knock-offs of older forms there in order to prove some kind of country authenticity, whereas the singles were like proper rock 'n' roll and although they had the old time flavor, they were also something different. A fusion, rather than a pastiche... or something.

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Take Willy and the Poor Boys--Poorboy Shuffle and Side O' the Road are throwaways

you could say the same of "Factory Girl" and "Dear Doctor," too, though I agree that CCR's albums aren't as good as the Stones'. oh, and the answer is TOTAL CLASSIC.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

No, you couldn't say the same!

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

(Actually you have an easier case with Beggars anyway... try knocking anything off Let It Bleed... now if only they'd put the single version of Honky Tonk Women on there instead of Country Honk)

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic. Their best cuts: "Lodi," "Wrote a Song for Everyone," "Fortunate Son," "Have You Ever Seen the Rain" and "Effigy."

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I hear your point Ben, and I'd agree that there are a couple filler type tracks in the catalog (but not awful ones, i.e. not ones to make you hit the skip button). I just think that the album cuts that are strong, argue for reconsidering them as more of an album band rather than a singles band.

And I was going to make the point about the Stones, but Matos made it for me. Except that I would have mentioned "Country Honk", and that he is TOTALLY wrong about "Factory Girl". That is one of the high points of that lp! It was great when they dug it up for the Steel Wheels tour...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Agreed, it's not like I don't like the albums, I just like arguing...

(Also, the thing that makes songs like Dear Doctor et al more interesting to me is that they are not done straight--Jagger always has a distance from the material, and the lyrics themselves are somewhat ambiguous/parodistic, which makes the songs a bit more interesting since you don't know how seriously to take them)

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

here's an argument: CCR kicks the Stones six ways from Saturday because they took mountain and country music as their stepping-off point AS WELL as Chicago blues - I am Southern and raised on a diet of Hazel Dickens and etc so this goes a long way with me - CCR annealed it all into a singular, totally unmistakable, champion sound. agreed that Jagger was surely one of the most mythological characters in all rock - CCR never had that mystique, if that's the kind of thing you go for - but i mean seriously, the Stones sound like copyists next to them (Brian Jones: "no other group is as close to the Negro sound as us"). particularly good and interesting copyists, sure, "it's what the Stones got WRONG just as much as what they got RIGHT" etc but with CCR it's totally about what they got right, full stop.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to think they were the most boring 60's band ever. Then something changed and now I think they're not bad... who knows why. I like "Have You Ever Seen the Rain?" a lot.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

good points Tracer.

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno man, I just hear it the other way 'round. I think Fogarty is just as much a copyist as the Stones are--difference is, he's playing one role, country boy, whereas for Jagger that's one mask among others (an approach which admittedly over the course of far too long has gotten really tiresome, but paid serious dividends back in the day). I'm not from the South, but I sure can't take Fogerty seriously when he's howling in that affected voice about riding the ol' riverboat queen, or posing on album covers busking with Willy and the Poor Boys on the side of the street. So I don't find Creedence any more authentic than the Stones, really--difference is that the Stones are honest about their lack of authenticity, and they make use of that as an aesthetic strategy (also, they drew on plenty more sources than just Chicago blues).

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Well Brian Jones can make such a declaration as he could supposedly play slide on "Dust My Broom" as well as Elmore James could.

As to yr main point -- I agree that the influx of country and mountain music is more important and successful with CCR than it is the Stones (although the Stones' double country whammy of "Dead Flowers" and "Sweet Virginia" kicks all of CCR's ass halfway to Modesto), but CCR's blues infusion feels kinda weak to me. I'm thinking of the middle bits of Willy & the Poor Boys here, and while Johnny can do a fair sharecropper impression with that yelp of his, it falls flat. It just seems that the Stones wanted to get the Negro strut down more than anything (which Mick still works at but Keith was born with), to get the style and the feel, while CCR went for the sound, but not the emotion. Maybe this is why CCR is so commonly identified as a very "white" band? (I'm thinking of the Big Lebowski and White Men Can't Jump (Snipes hassles Woody for them, doesn't he?) in particular)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

(I was going to say, kind of speaking to the same thing, Mick had a great guitarist and drummer behind him... Fogarty is kind of a one-man band, unfortunately.)

Ben Williams, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

On principle of what, disliking good music?

On principle of not relating to rootsy Americana trad-rock boredom, which then gets shoved in your face as real authentic 'good' music. The whole rough-and-ready meat-and-potatoes-ness of it all. Of hating country music like any well-adjusted person. Like I said, though, they don't actually sound that bad. It's all pettiness.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

They don't do it for me; sorry to break up the consensus. Fogerty's earnest growl grates, and the backing music is dull dull dull. I mean, if you're going to have a backing band that sounds like session hacks, you might as well have 'em play something interesting. There's something else, too. I even like a few of their singles pretty okay, but there's something about the aura that surrounds them that turns me off big-time.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Like, I relate to what Vinnie said except I still don't have any specific song I can point to and say that I love it. But they're all not that bad now.

Clarke just butted in but I know what he means about the aura.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh jesus christ, why even ask. Fucking classic.

mosurock (mosurock), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the songs I singled out, too, as well as the Willy ones Ben pointed out. I just think that each pair filled the same function on each album.

Tracer roxor as always, even if I do think the Stones were ultimately a...not "better" but greater band, if you see what I mean--wider ranging (counts for a lot w/me, Prince was my formative listening) and more chance-taking. CCR's more perfect but the Stones had greater outreach. love 'em both about equally in that way

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

It's all pettiness

You can't say something like "I dislike them on principle", on this board of all places, and not expect to be called out on the meaninglessness of the statement unless you define your terms.

Of hating country music like any well-adjusted person

Color me ill-adjusted.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant that my reasons are petty. I said that I want to dislike them not that I actually do.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

For the purposes of the authenticity debate, I gotta say that CCR is definitely more "authentic" than the Stones. That can be a positive or negative thing depending on what side of the fence you're on, but I don't think there can be any argument that the Stones were actors, pure and simple (very good ones at their peak) - whereas Fogerty and Co. really *were* blue-collar nobodies from the sticks. I can tell you exactly where the market on the Willie and the Poorboys cover is (it's right next to their warehouse studio). California from San Francisco to the Oregon border *does* have a lot of green rivers, even a swamp or two, and country music, etc. The Stones couldn't have been farther removed from American country/black r&b (had Jagger and Richards even *been* to America when they started up their schtick?), whereas Fogerty grew up with it in the Central California Valley. That shit is THERE, it was something they soaked up playing up and down the state for 10 years prior to "making it".

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate all the authenticity talk that goes on about them too.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Was it in Stanley Booth's Stones book that he says that the photos of war-ravaged British children from WW2 could easily have been McCartney or Lennon or Jagger or Richards and this is why they identified so strongly with U.S. blues music?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

CCR much more of a SINGLES act than the Stones (or rather, the Stones became much better at making full, complete albs around the same time that CCR first started releasing albs themselves) - their 'Best Of' (or whatever) CD is a pretty flawless nugget of country-pop-rock, but it's prob. all you really 'need' for everyday listening purposes. I can never make up my mind if the long versh of 'I Heard It Through The Grapevine' is godawful or not. I KNOW their versh of 'Suzy Q' isn't a patch on the orig. I like their ballads as much as their rockers, but am notso into their swamp rock side ('Run Through The Jungle', the done-to-death 'Proud Mary'.)

Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i like-a way you woak
i like-a way you toak

mookieproof, Friday, 29 May 2020 22:44 (two years ago) link

John Fogerty, 75 years young yesterday!

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Friday, 29 May 2020 23:04 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

keep returning to the woodstock set, its so so SO GOOD

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 19 July 2021 18:09 (one year ago) link

it really is

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 July 2021 20:04 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Lodi is their best song

calstars, Saturday, 23 October 2021 19:50 (eleven months ago) link

Nope. Green River

calstars, Saturday, 23 October 2021 19:52 (eleven months ago) link

ramble tamble or pagan baby

caddy lac brougham? (will), Saturday, 23 October 2021 19:57 (eleven months ago) link

Someday never fucking comes

calstars, Saturday, 23 October 2021 20:02 (eleven months ago) link

Nope not that one

calstars, Saturday, 23 October 2021 20:04 (eleven months ago) link

Old man down the road vs centerfield

calstars, Saturday, 23 October 2021 20:07 (eleven months ago) link

Run through the Jungle!!!

But yeah Lodi is definitely up there.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 24 October 2021 01:32 (eleven months ago) link

Pretty remarkable the vibe they work up on Bayou with just a tremolo effect on the guitar and a single 7th chord. Guess that’s a testament to the rhythm section

calstars, Sunday, 24 October 2021 01:43 (eleven months ago) link

classic

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:58 (eleven months ago) link

A lot of it comes directly from Pop Staples, no? Which I believe may be discussed upthread.

Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 04:01 (eleven months ago) link

Not this thread but a Fogerty sibling thread

Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 04:06 (eleven months ago) link

Around the Bend
midnight special
someday never comes
run through the jungle

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 October 2021 04:48 (eleven months ago) link

Apparently there’s a 2016 thriller film called midnight special starring Michael Shannon and Kirsten dunst???. “Shannon plays a father who escapes with his son from both the government and a cult after they discover that his son has special powers.l”

calstars, Sunday, 24 October 2021 10:08 (eleven months ago) link

indeed

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 October 2021 10:10 (eleven months ago) link

I've seen it, but that's all I can really say about it.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 24 October 2021 11:52 (eleven months ago) link

six months pass...

Have you seen Lorraine?

calstars, Saturday, 14 May 2022 19:15 (four months ago) link

four months pass...

I just read the older version of the RAH gig which I have on cd somewhere possibly still and haven't heard in an age is actually from Oakland.
Not heard that before .Is it like widely known?

Stevolende, Sunday, 18 September 2022 20:23 (one week ago) link

RAH? Robert Anson Heinlein?

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 September 2022 20:42 (one week ago) link

Royal Albert Hall

Nobody can handle nipples like Bobo (Tom D.), Sunday, 18 September 2022 20:45 (one week ago) link

Thanks. Figured that out but posted anyway.

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 September 2022 21:54 (one week ago) link

Watching the documentary now; I already knew from the live-at-Woodstock album what monsters they could be onstage, but seeing it on film really hammers it home. Doug Clifford has a swinging backbeat of doom as heavy as Bill Ward or Phil Rudd, but he delivers the apocalypse while staring off into space like a St. Bernard — it's incredible to watch.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 September 2022 22:59 (one week ago) link

Possibly my favorite rhythm section ever.

Abel Ferrara hard-sci-fi elevator pitch (PBKR), Sunday, 18 September 2022 23:11 (one week ago) link

Update: They've been playing about a half hour and there has been ZERO stage banter. I've seen grindcore bands take longer pauses between songs. These guys were absolutely merciless.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 September 2022 23:17 (one week ago) link

And after 11 two- to three-minute songs in a row, bang bang bang, they end with an eight and a half minute version of "Keep On Chooglin'." It's insane; it's like if the Ramones ended one of their shows with a cover of "Stranglehold."

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 September 2022 23:33 (one week ago) link

it's really something how great the music sounds and how utterly dreadful the picture quality on the interviews is. i guess last dance and get back raised the bar for the treatment of historical footage but man it's just... bad. a swarming mass of weird mpeg artifacts. sit far back enough from the TV and i guess it's alright? or squint. the overlaid text is just bad powerpoint default text as well, just minimum effort. and no insight, no stories, nothing surprising. on the other hand the music just sounds incredible. in fact every show on that european tour sounds incredible. is there high quality sound for all those shows? it's funny though, sometimes with creedence it's a little bit deflating because apart from the jams it really does sound - and they refer to this explicitly in the doc - so much like the record that you're like, well, okay, fine, i could just listen to the record.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 September 2022 20:23 (one week ago) link

last night i did a double-bill of this and the zz top doc and it was pretty funny how they both did the whole walk-hard thing, black and white footage of sock hops, etc. the zz top doc is easily superior in terms of funny stories and just all around quality but it felt extremely jarring to have it come to an end right after... eliminator? i'll probably take it to the zz thread but kinda disrespectful imo. "breakaway" on antenna is probably my favorite song they ever did.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 September 2022 20:26 (one week ago) link

sometimes with creedence it's a little bit deflating because apart from the jams it really does sound - and they refer to this explicitly in the doc - so much like the record that you're like, well, okay, fine, i could just listen to the record.

Yes and no. The arrangements are certainly the same as the record — there’s no radical (or even slight) re-imagining of the songs. But the intensity, momentum, and juuust slightly and perfectly ahead-of-the-beat agitation makes it a far different, and more exciting, experience for me.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 19 September 2022 20:49 (one week ago) link

Yes and no. The arrangements are certainly the same as the record — there’s no radical (or even slight) re-imagining of the songs. But the intensity, momentum, and juuust slightly and perfectly ahead-of-the-beat agitation makes it a far different, and more exciting, experience for me.

Agree with this 100%. They were absolutely more energetic and intense onstage than in the studio; that's why I wound up focusing so much on the drums, and hearing the similarities to (Bon Scott-era) AC/DC.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 19 September 2022 21:14 (one week ago) link

it is better live, i agree.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 September 2022 22:34 (one week ago) link

Some nice slap-back / Sun Ra feedback delay on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2oJIBQKlnw

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 01:28 (one week ago) link

this is enough of a thing that fogerty is even quoted discussing it on wikipedia but (given how political he was and how much of a touchstone it was for the counterculture in its years of defeat and setback and turmoil) i continue to love how jolly "bad moon rising" sounds

mark s, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 10:33 (one week ago) link

One thing I took away from this was how many songs are in E that I had always thought were in D - Bad Moon and Mary come to mind

calstars, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 12:21 (one week ago) link

D Major
The key of triumph, of Hallejuahs, of war-cries, of victory-rejoicing. Thus, the inviting symphonies, the marches, holiday songs and heaven-rejoicing choruses are set in this key.

D Minor
Melancholy womanliness, the spleen and humours brood.

E♭ Major
The key of love, of devotion, of intimate conversation with God.

D# Minor
Feelings of the anxiety of the soul's deepest distress, of brooding despair, of blackest depresssion, of the most gloomy condition of the soul. Every fear, every hesitation of the shuddering heart, breathes out of horrible D# minor. If ghosts could speak, their speech would approximate this key.

E Major
Noisy shouts of joy, laughing pleasure and not yet complete, full delight lies in E Major.

mark s, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 12:24 (one week ago) link

I think they tuned down on at least some songs?

Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 12:24 (one week ago) link

If you mean that some songs were played in a different key from the record at the RAH show, no, all songs were in the same keys as the recordings. But if you mean “tuning down” in the sense that some CCR songs use a drop-D guitar tuning, then yes — “Ramble Tamble” uses that tuning (where the high and low E strings are tuned to D).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:22 (one week ago) link

Haven't seen the doc yet, but I did read that the audio version of the set has apparently trimmed out brief moments of banter and guitar swapping, so perhaps that was also the case with the video of the show?

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:26 (one week ago) link

(xp) the latter

Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:36 (one week ago) link

... actually no, I meant they'd tune down a whole step, if that's the right terminology.

Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:39 (one week ago) link

As far as I can tell, CCR's instruments were all in standard tuning (lowest to highest strings): E A D G B E. On "Ramble Tamble" the tuning was D A D G B D.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:18 (one week ago) link

The video shows Fogerty stopping to drink something between songs, and a roadie hands him a different guitar a couple of times, but the pauses are never more than a few seconds, and he never speaks to the audience until right before "Keep On Chooglin'," and all he says is "Thanks; this is our last song, it's called 'Keep On Chooglin''."

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:22 (one week ago) link

Got it, I was just reading on another forum someone complaining that some between song stuff had been "excised" on the audio release.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 15:24 (one week ago) link

The Royal Albert Hall doc might have been a dvd release of just the concert in the 2000s, but it seems like they had to pad it with a documentary portion for Netflix. It's so flimsy though that it feels like someone created an AI prompt for "Creedence visiting European landmarks." Nevertheless, the show is a fun watch. The seated crowd mostly seems bottled up throughout until a handful of them lose their shit during "Keep on Chooglin.'" What a strange, powerful alchemy these guys had.

Chris L, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 12:29 (one week ago) link

good to hear stu explaining how very different denmark is from norway tho

mark s, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 12:35 (one week ago) link

Watched the doc last night and christ, "Fortunate Son" is so amped up and frantic it sounds like the Feelies or something. Doug Clifford keeps pushing it faster & faster until by the end its like a hairs breadth from going completely off the rails. Fucking killer.

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 23 September 2022 16:15 (five days ago) link

Damn, that lady in the front row losing it to "Keep On Chooglin'"...You only wish you could have as good a time as that.

Proud Mary definitely has some higher string jangle in the studio recording so maybe they used capo on the second fret for that, but couldn’t be bothered live

calstars, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:41 (yesterday) link


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