DRAMA by Yes: Lost Classic or Justified Dud?

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Ditching the Tolkienesque tomfoolery of Jon Anderson and the....er....Arthurian arsing-about of Rick Wakeman, the remnants of Yes recruit....well, the Buggles (Geoff Downes and Trevor Horn) and *ROCK OUT*. Well, maybe not, but they certainly beef up the sound, velocity and accessability (even adding elements of 'ska' [if you believe Allmusic.com] on the sprawling, amphetamine headfuck that was "Tempus Fugit"). Of course, it was not to last (the band fell apart, spawning Asia and paving the way for the streamlined, Trevor Rabin-era Yes and unleashing Horn to go find production fame behind Frankie Goes to Hollywood and Seal.

A brief glimpse of what might've been? Or simply a detour to a dead end?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 27 January 2003 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. "Machine Messiah" alone justifies its existence, so "Into the Lens" is just frosting on the cake. It's the only pre-90125 Yes album I decided to keep when throwing out all the old tapes.

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 27 January 2003 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i used to hate it. now i think it's funny: "yes goes new wave, what is that all about?"

i like it, of course. i want to be a proper yeshead!

cecilia, Monday, 27 January 2003 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

DRAMA is to Yes is what FLUSH THE FASHION was to Alice Cooper.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 27 January 2003 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I had this at age 13. Even then, I thought it was pretty corny the way they made their band name an integral part of "Tempis Fugit" ("...only answers to YES!"). I also remember liking "Does It Really Happen?" and "Into The Light." Maybe I'll spent 99 cents on it next time I'm at my local thrift store.

mike a (mike a), Monday, 27 January 2003 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Um, and I don't recall a bar of ska on the entire LP.

mike a (mike a), Monday, 27 January 2003 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I Like the Cover

brg30 (brg30), Monday, 27 January 2003 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

It's the only Yes album I own! (although I may buy others)... I think it's great!

Also, "Flush the Fashion" is fantastic, the best thing Alice did in years.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 27 January 2003 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

"Um, and I don't recall a bar of ska on the entire LP."

"Tempus Fugit" is no more ska than XTC's "Living through Another Cuba," but I believe Allmusic were referring to the hiccupy tempo of the track, which -- if you erase the mandatory porkpie hat/white towelling socks from your mind -- could conceivably sound ska-esque.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 27 January 2003 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

It's beautiful... my favourite Yes album, even if it is the most atipic album of their entire career. One of the first albums I ever heard (I had 4, 5 yrs old when I first heard it), it went through my head and never let go.

And I love to play those first bars of Does it really Happen? on bass.

A classic.

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Monday, 27 January 2003 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

chris squire

chaki (chaki), Monday, 27 January 2003 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

....is the bass player. Very good, Chaki.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks alex. i've always enjoyed looking at mr squires white boots (which he still wears).

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

NO! The Horror... The Horror...

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Actual dialogue from a few days ago:

Me: So the Buggles had a song called "I Am a Camera." Then they both joined Yes, who re-recorded it... as "Into the Lens."

Lisa: [guffaws]

Me: That about says it all about Yes.

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Keeelassic!

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Me: So the Buggles had a song called "I Am a Camera." Then they both joined Yes, who re-recorded it... as "Into the Lens."

Actually, it appeared on Drama first, so The Buggles were the ones to re-record it (for Adventures in Modern Recording).

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Not their greatest, but still mighty impressive, given the strange pairing. Horn's voice is in a surprisingly similar range as Anderson's, Downes keys work makes a nice midpoint between the flash of Rick Wakeman and the rawk of Tony Kaye. Also, the lyrics are surprisingly Andersonian throughout. You can really hear a connection with Rush's contemporaneous music, particularly on parts of "Machine Messiah."

There's another song this line-up performed live ("We Can Fly From Here") that I hope sees release with the next upcoming remastered reissues that are coming out...

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

yah well joe is right its not the best. bill bruford isnt on it.

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 28 January 2003 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I've had several testimonies from people who said this album "got them into Yes". Classic, indeed - esp. 'Into The Lens' and 'Tempus Fugit'.

This line up of Yes is in fact the only one I've so far seen live* Horn was okay as lead vocalist on stage, but fluffed a few of the high notes in the 'classics'.

(*but I may put that right this year when they tour UK again)

Jeff W, Wednesday, 29 January 2003 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Revive!

I just snagged the new reissue of this with all the extra unreleased tracks piled on. "Dancing Through The Light" is a straight-up Buggles track that could have been on the playlist in some anonymous early 80s "new wave" dance club. I'd totally pick it as one of my choices for "anarchist disco" (or whatever it's called).

I can only imagine the amount of steam that poured out of turtle-boy's ears when this came over the studio speakers.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"Dancing Through The Light" is a straight-up Buggles track that could have been on the playlist in some anonymous early 80s "new wave" dance club. I'd totally pick it as one of my choices for "anarchist disco" (or whatever it's called).

Though interestingly, "Dancing through the Light" was recorded while Anderson and Wakeman were still in the band, not the Buggles--that's Anderson singing 'Dance through the Light', not Horn. Obviously, it was still a rudimentary idea at that point. That and the last four tracks ("Golden Age", "In the Tower" and "Friend of a Friend") are from the aborted 1979 sessions the Tormato line-up held in Paris. "In the Tower" is quite a beautiful (if incomplete-sounding) track...glad to hear a cleaned up version of it being released.


Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Though interestingly, "Dancing through the Light" was recorded while Anderson and Wakeman were still in the band, not the Buggles--that's Anderson singing 'Dance through the Light', not Horn.

Wild! I snagged my copy from slsk, so I don't have the full liner notes on this.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 01:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Too bad they didn't include "We Can Fly from Here" on the new reissue (see post above); I still have yet to hear that one! They also surprisingly neglected to include "Run with the Fox", the Christmas single Squire/White recorded in-between Drama and 90125. Small quips, though...

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

This line up of Yes is in fact the only one I've so far seen live* Horn was okay as lead vocalist on stage, but fluffed a few of the high notes in the 'classics'.

Hey Jeff, if you want to stroll down memory lane:

http://www.forgottenyesterdays.com/tour_listing.asp?s=5&tname=10&SortBy=tDate&so=asc&navb=4

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 01:58 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha!

Thanks, Joe! :) I was at the Brighton show and the reports posted on that site are painfully accurate.

Yeggles on tour may have been a bit underwhelming, but 'Drama' still stands up IMHO. Since I last posted on this thread I've mentioned on one of the many other Yes threads that keep popping up these days how wonderful the reissue is. I share your disappointment about the absence of 'We Can Fly...' (and indeed no "finished" Yeggle version of 'Go Through This') on the CD though. Perhaps they were never recorded?

Oh, and I did get to finally see the classic line-up of Yes live last year, and superb they were too.

Jeff W (zebedee), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 10:20 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Listening back to this again, it's pretty clear that Chris Squire took on some additional vocal responsibilities on this record. On "Does It Really Happen?", his voice is equally as loud as Horn's.

Inspirational verse, a la Christgau:

You walk, the way
You take, the path
To be, assured
You draw, a graph
The scale, you use
Is all, on black
Be brave, the weight
Will make, the heat
There is, no way
To take-it back.

Amen, brothers.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 22 May 2004 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I should add that the single edit of "Run Through the Light" on the re-ish begins with a very Supertramp elec. piano bounce. Is it possible that this is where Daft Punk began?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 22 May 2004 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes brings on the funk at NPR:

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1920058

Tom Terrell = the AntiMarsh?

Joe (Joe), Friday, 4 June 2004 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw very few if any persons of a non-Caucasian persuasion at the YES show I was at last month. I held it down for the Hispanics, though.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 4 June 2004 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Hrm, well, you guys + a store owner persuaded me to buy the super-dooper remastered-extra-tracks-25-versions-of-that-camera-song CD release of this new (for an admittedly good price) a little while ago. I only ever played it once after buying it although I'm sure I'll go back at some point. It's the only post-CTTE/Yessongs release I've heard. It was different from what I expected, and not really in a way I found appealing at first. I think I was expecting it to be more like the rockier parts of Fragile, with more concise songwriting and more updated production and electronics and synth sounds (maybe similar to what Rush was using on their early 80s albums), with maybe a bit more of a harder funk edge. I dunno, the guitars just seemed kind of wanky and maybe even shred-influenced in a way Howe had never struck me before and the sound just struck me as . . . cheesy. I liked how the integrated the acoustic instruments on the older records, which didn't seem to happen anymore and they seemed to have lost a lot of the classical/jazz/folk elements. I could be wrong since I just played it once a while ago.

(Did Dave Marsh say something about Yes and the racial makeup of their audience?)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but ... The Buggles! in YES! Classic.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

(Did Dave Marsh say something about Yes and the racial makeup of their audience?)

No, just an offhanded, tongue-in-cheek quip (that Marsh is from NJ and hates prog rock "because it is so removed from the taproot of rock and roll, rhythm and blues"), etc).

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 5 June 2004 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I like it a little better on second listen.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

When I finally decided to check it out, it appeared to be surprisingly good. A bit confusing to have Yes without Jon Anderson singing, but still a great album.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
Reviving because there are more horses to beat dead

June 25, 2005 - Dates are now available on the Tour page for The More Drama Tour, which features Alan White's band White (with Geoff Downes on keyboards), Chris Squire with the Syn, and Steve Howe solo acoustic/electric. The performances will end with a "Drama-tic" encore with the four Yes members (who recorded the album Drama).

Still like Drama though...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 1 July 2005 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...
http://www.trevor-horn.de/dramahrn.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 16 December 2005 07:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I AM, I AM...A CAMERA!!!!

Joe (Joe), Friday, 16 December 2005 14:55 (fifteen years ago) link

And you,
may find time will blind you,
this to just remind you,
All is meant to be.

Joe (Joe), Friday, 16 December 2005 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Does anyone have mp3s of the two unreleased Yeggles songs ("Go Through This" and "We can Fly From Here") that made it onto the recent Yes live boxset thing?

2x YSI = I will love you forever.

Jeff W (zebedee), Friday, 16 December 2005 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link

And does anyone have any recordings of the DRAMA tour? I'd love to hear how this lineup sounded live.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Friday, 16 December 2005 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link

That picture of Trevor is klassic.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 16 December 2005 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link

And does anyone have any recordings of the DRAMA tour? I'd love to hear how this lineup sounded live.

Oooh seconded!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 16 December 2005 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link

It's right here:

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=70230

You have to be a member tho...

sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 16 December 2005 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Most of the accounts I've read of the Drama tour aren't too flattering. For one, the publicity for the concerts didn't mention that Anderson and Wakeman had left the band, so the audience wasn't too pleased at being surprised with Horn and Downes. Also, Horn did a lot of straining in the attempt to cover Anderson's vocal parts (well, who wouldn't).

I think this is the only tour where the band often received boos and jeers...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 17 December 2005 03:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Oops--forgot this all had already been talked about above...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 17 December 2005 03:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Gee I'd like to hear this.

Halloween Spooky Party Hints! (Bimble...), Saturday, 17 December 2005 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Damn the html~! My whole joke was ruined. Never mind.

Yes I would truthfully like to hear this. Carry on.

Halloween Spooky Party Hints! (Bimble...), Saturday, 17 December 2005 03:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Also, Horn did a lot of straining in the attempt to cover Anderson's vocal parts (well, who wouldn't).

Sting, apparently.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 17 December 2005 06:29 (fifteen years ago) link

This is what Rick said to me about the situation in 2011:

I find it weird that Jon’s place in Yes has been taken by the former lead singer with a tribute band. There have been some strange episodes, but this is up there with the strangest of them.

When Jon was very ill, five or six years ago, the right plan would have been to wait until Jon was fit again, in two or three years’ time. But for reasons known only to themselves, three of the guys said: no, we’re going to go out. Personally, I think you can’t have Led Zeppelin without Robert Plant, and you can’t have The Who without Roger Daltrey, so how the hell can you have Yes without Jon Anderson? But they decided that they could.

I don’t have anything to do with it. As far as the classic line-up is concerned, that will never see the light of day again. Yes was always a special band, and now it has turned into a gigging band. It’s trotting around, playing as many shows as humanly possible, and it’s just a great shame.

Is there a sense in which you still feel like a member of the band, even if you’re not officially part of it?

It’s like saying: does Bobby Charlton still feel part of Manchester United, even though he doesn’t play? Of course you are. But as regards what’s been going on for the past five years, this doesn’t have anything to do with me at all. I’ve changed clubs, as they say.

mike t-diva, Friday, 30 March 2018 18:38 (three years ago) link

I feel like Yes have been beefing throughout their entire existence. I remember Bruford saying that the sessions for Close to the Edge were just hell. But things definitely go to another level when the creativity dries up and the money stops rolling in. After Trevor Rabin got in the band essentially became "Yes, Inc.", making decisions like booting Eddie Jobson in favor of Tony Kaye so they could reclaim the Yes name (as they'd have 3 original members). I remember reading a fun essay from the producer of Union detailing just how uninteresting these guys were in making new music - the whole thing was basically pieces of a Howe solo album + the producer's own shitty tunes, and they had 9 guys on hand!! Love this band but nearly everyone in it seems like an insufferable dick. Howe preventing Peter Banks from playing one fuckin' song during the Union tour is such a shitty thing to do. Downes going after fans who rightfully called out Heaven & Earth for being total garbage is also shitty. Jon A. seems like a nice person in general but he's definitely a diva. Wakeman is a good dude I guess.

frogbs, Friday, 30 March 2018 18:51 (three years ago) link

Man Chaki I don't know if Geoff Downes is the best fit for Yes, but he is an awesome keyboard player! I'm an Asia fan, anyway. But I have this double LP he recorded for Geffen of all things in the late '80s and it has some serious side long synth jams.

timellison, Friday, 30 March 2018 19:14 (three years ago) link

"Believe Again" from Heaven and Earth came up on a mix for me yesterday and sounded great even if it's not chops-oriented and progressive.

timellison, Friday, 30 March 2018 19:15 (three years ago) link

i mean in a yes live setting playing Rick's parts. sorry should have been clearer!

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 30 March 2018 19:24 (three years ago) link

Geoff is a good keys guy but, yeah, he's no RW.

Listened to Downes' "The Light Program" today. It has its moments but mainly meanders.

I'm glad I caught the classic line up in '03. One of the best concerts I've been to.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 30 March 2018 20:36 (three years ago) link

This is pretty excellent. Love the extended end to "Hour Of Need". True YES.

Only tune where I prefer the previous versions is "Sad Night..."

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 31 March 2018 02:40 (three years ago) link

What are people listening to? Downloads because they bought the CD?

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 31 March 2018 03:45 (three years ago) link

It's on the t0rr3nt sites

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 31 March 2018 05:10 (three years ago) link

is this it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4iDzO2ZJfo

salthigh, Saturday, 31 March 2018 05:51 (three years ago) link

"Believe Again" from Heaven and Earth came up on a mix for me yesterday and sounded great even if it's not chops-oriented and progressive.

honestly I think a number of the songs on H&E are decent - I don't really mind how lightweight they are, Yes has always been like that

what gets me is how lethargic and strung out everything is. "Believe Again" is quite pretty but eight minutes is pushing it real hard. the tempos sound like they're 25% too slow. the members of the band sound like they're all 200 years old.

frogbs, Saturday, 31 March 2018 20:59 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBp1OP7j82E

doug watson, Saturday, 31 March 2018 23:06 (three years ago) link

Yes has always been lightweight?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 1 April 2018 00:02 (three years ago) link

I mean, they’ve always had that aspect to them. Obviously Yes at their best are heavy as balls.

frogbs, Sunday, 1 April 2018 01:00 (three years ago) link

To Be Over, bitches

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 1 April 2018 01:34 (three years ago) link

Thanks for the youtube link. Liked this return trip a lot. "Bumpy Ride" still doesn't fit - if anything has gotten clumsier here - and "Fly From Here (Reprise)" failed to move me in this version. Otherwise, a successful re-boot. Well done, Mr Horn.

Jeff W, Sunday, 1 April 2018 13:45 (three years ago) link

And...the link is gone.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 2 April 2018 13:56 (three years ago) link

Also, this post didn't date so well:

chris squire and keith richards will outlive us all

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 2 April 2018 15:16 (three years ago) link

I'm listening to it now. This does sound really great, though to be fair I haven't listened to the original in about a year so I'm not sure how exactly this one is different. The best thing I can say is that you often forget you're listening to a later-day Yes album, it really does feel like it could've been released in 1981.

frogbs, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:28 (three years ago) link

I have been listening to the 2011 release of Fly From Here a ton this week since I don’t have the new one and it isn’t on Spotify. And I have to say: it really rules. I don’t get the folks who are down on “Bumpy Ride” at all – it’s a nice little instrumental bit that sounds like it dates from the early 70s and at 2 min. pretty brief.

Also, read or saw somewhere that Trevor had laid down guide vocals in 2011 and instructed Benoit to follow them *exactly* – which makes me wonder how much Horn’s vocals from the new version are actually new or just cleaned up things he recorded back then.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:16 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

I ASKED MY LOVE TO GIVE ME SHE-HE-HE-HELTER!!!

love this album. been on a big Yes kick this week - and weirdly found out my friends steve's dad co-engineered FRAGILE omg

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 28 August 2020 19:11 (one year ago) link

my favorite yes album

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 28 August 2020 19:12 (one year ago) link

xpost - woah what is his name?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 28 August 2020 19:33 (one year ago) link

I'm glad that over the past 25 or 30 years the reputation of this album has been elevated. I don't think anyone considers this a dud anymore.

akm, Friday, 28 August 2020 20:39 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

I think of this as the last album of the original prog-rock movement, before any revivals, reunions or neo-prog pastiches (I'd also entertain votes for Moving Pictures, which came out the next year). The sound of the album is already on its way to AOR, and (unsurprisingly, considering the lineup) contains a fair amount of new wave, but something about the energy and boldness of this record makes me feel like it was the last shot of the original "progressive" aesthetic that originated in the late 60s.
Discipline, Peter Gabriel III, and what I've heard of Abacab and the 80s Tull records feel like part of another genre rather than a natural development of progressive rock (although I guess real hardliners would say the last progressive Yes album was Relayer).

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 17:59 (two months ago) link

I'd argue it's Going for the One!

frogbs, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:13 (two months ago) link

Yeah, GftO, which is also the last Yes album I listen to. Moving Pictures definitely seems like a different aesthetic than Aqualung or Pawn Hearts to me, no less than Discipline.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:21 (two months ago) link

You don't have to like Tormato very much to argue that, generically, it still ticks the boxes as a prog-rock record (maybe except for "Circus of Heaven" and "Onward").
I haven't heard the first Asia album but I really doubt it contains as much guitar heroism as Drama does.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:23 (two months ago) link

like I wouldn't argue Drama is the last of the original prog wave, but "Tempus Fugit" maybe the last prog *tune*...the rest sounds too New Wave hybrid to me, not too unlike a bunch of similar acts...Numan, Devo, Oingo Boingo, The Buggles of course

frogbs, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:24 (two months ago) link

the thing about a lot of those 77/78 releases - Tormato, And Then There Were Three, Missing Piece, Quiet Zone/Pleasure Dome, Works & Love Beach, even Attahk (if that counts?) is that these bands all seem to be trying to transition away from prog, by simplifying things or writing shorter/hookier tunes. none of it pushes any boundaries. I guess you could argue that Trick of the Tail and GftO didn't push any boundaries either but they still felt like a full embrace of the prog sound - these albums "tick the boxes" because they didn't know what else to do

frogbs, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:34 (two months ago) link

Full disclosure: I've never listened to Tormato.xps

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:44 (two months ago) link

UK were maybe the first newer band to transition from 70s prog to the looming 80s version - various Yes/King Crimson/Roxy Music alumni (plus Holdsworth) moving into late 70s pop-muso territory. Seems like a template for the Drama sound, although I'm not sure if they were a direct influence on Yes in that period.

the people of dorchester are marching upon us (Matt #2), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:45 (two months ago) link

Tormato's really bad

the people of dorchester are marching upon us (Matt #2), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:45 (two months ago) link

I'll stan for Tormato again, I love it. Very fun.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:53 (two months ago) link

It's kinda cool how the tail end of prog and new wave dovetailed so nicely, and the early 80's second wave of acts had a healthy dose of new wave threaded through them.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:57 (two months ago) link

Gentle Giant's 'Civilian' was one of the more successful prog-into-new wave efforts, not that it did them any good whatsoever. We can only be thankful ELP didn't attempt anything similar.

the people of dorchester are marching upon us (Matt #2), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 19:00 (two months ago) link

They went sexytimes, instead.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 19:12 (two months ago) link

It's kinda cool how the tail end of prog and new wave dovetailed so nicely, and the early 80's second wave of acts had a healthy dose of new wave threaded through them.

Yeah, I sometimes want to wonder why Howe didn't just make e.g. instrumental folk or jazz fusion records instead of ... this stuff and Asia in the 80s but then I remember that they were actually mainstream pop stars when they were making the classic prog albums; makes sense that once you're in that orbit, you want to stay in it.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 19:16 (two months ago) link

I guess I feel that, despite Horn and Downes, the new wave quotient on Drama is actually lower than on some of the other transitional records of the same era. I'd say hard-rock verging on metal is the dominant sound on well over half of it.
UK's first album is a very interesting example because, sonically, they are going in a stripped-down, radio-ready direction, but Eddie Jobson's compositional style is very oblique and far from catchy (explaining why the record didn't really take off). I would call them the last "new" prog band of the first era.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 19:16 (two months ago) link

tormato is grebt bcz it inspired this post: The 120 Days of Shameless Bids for Publicity!

mark s, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 19:23 (two months ago) link

I only listened to Bill Nelson's 'Quit Dreaming...' for the first time the other day and it's fantastic, I know people talk a lot about 'Red Noise', but this was, to me, much more enjoyable and super new wave.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 19:53 (two months ago) link

I've probably said it somewhere upthread but there's 2 tracks that really damage Drama for me, I really like the album but they're just filler. I honestly like Tormato a bit more, especially with the CD bonus tracks, there's some songs that ended up on Anderson's 2nd solo album that work amazingly well with just his vocals.

And YES to what Autumn says about Wakeman creating a great vehicle pileup in space!

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 20:10 (two months ago) link

The only Yes album I own or want to own, and absolutely a classic.

raven, Thursday, 12 August 2021 13:33 (two months ago) link

Yeah, I sometimes want to wonder why Howe didn't just make e.g. instrumental folk or jazz fusion records instead of ... this stuff and Asia in the 80s but then I remember that they were actually mainstream pop stars when they were making the classic prog albums; makes sense that once you're in that orbit, you want to stay in it.

its kind of hard to name artists who achieved that level of success who just fucked off and did what they wanted rather than chase sales. its pretty funny in the case of these prog bands who just suddenly became very uncool, massive respect to Genesis (and Trevor Rabin) for actually doing it. I also thought Gentle Giant's Civilian was quite good, but lets face it nothing was ever happening to this band, at best they get like 25% of the sales of Utopia

won't really defend Tormato much but I will say "Arriving UFO" is one of the most bonkers things they ever did

frogbs, Thursday, 12 August 2021 14:11 (two months ago) link

"Arriving UFO" was Jon Anderson making sure that Klaatu and Jefferson Airplane didn't get all the credit when the aliens landed.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 12 August 2021 14:33 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

every time I listen to this album it hits me how great it would've been had Yes just called it a day after this. they could've still done the 90125 stuff under Cinema or whatever the original name was supposed to be but to leave "Tempus Fugit" as the last song in their catalogue would have been perfect.

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 20:48 (two weeks ago) link

Atlantic Records wasn't going to let such a valuable trademark go unused.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 21:32 (two weeks ago) link

they have several spots in their history when it would have been wise to stop: here; after 90125; after Big Generator; after Magnification; after Fly from Here. The only thing you can count on is that they will not stop and will continue to put out albums that half their fanbase detests

akm, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 22:59 (two weeks ago) link

I still love this record.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 23:25 (two weeks ago) link

"Also wonder whether Horn’s wife passing had an impact on him deciding to “rejoin the band.” Tempus Fugit indeed."

haha, my read on this was "horn's wife hated Yes so much that as soon as she died he was like, "cool, now I can be in Yes again!"

I suspect this very scenario has played out on the listening side with a number of their fans.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 01:20 (one week ago) link


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