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It sounds like The Pinefox is a little upset at the rough treatment which Lloyd Cole received in an old C or D thread. Here's our chance to be cheer him up by being kind about one of his other favourites (IIRC)- The Sundays.

Dr. C, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

reading writing & arithmetic is a really good album i reckon. it has that provincial, small town suburban atmosphere that the smiths and b&s could never have (too urban, too self conscious). life can be ordinary (in a good way) and ' reading...' seems to reflect that (bmx's past the post office etc). the sound of stevenage and selby...

in subsequent releases, this feeling just didn't seem to be there though. they should have left it at one album.

gareth, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

_Reading, Writing & Arithmetic_ is my favourite "indie" album if that means anything. Harriet Wheeler is an amazing singer and a thoroughly underrated lyricist (her songs feature the best use of "little details" that I can think of), and Gavurin does the guitar thing to perfection. "Can't Be Sure" and "Hideous Towns" particularly bring me close to tears - the former with its irresistible climax and the latter with the heavenly jangly chorus.

The later albums are also exceedingly nice, but suffer a bit from over-sedatedness; both the playing and the singing sounds too contented, whereas the first album always struck me as the perfect evocation of the impatience of small-town youth.

Tim, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Honestly speaking, I thought the Sundays were alright, but....they're also to blame for the truly wretched Cranberries.

alex in nyc, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think only Satan is to blame for the Cranberries. Surely that can be the only explanation for their existence.

As for the Sundays -- absolutely wonderful. Like Tim, Reading, Writing & Arithmetic is one of my favorite albums (I won't even qualify it with "indie"). Harriet Wheeler just has one of the great voices in pop. They've been awfully quiet lately, haven't they? A shame.

Nicole, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The really steadily declined in goodness as the albums went on. I have memories attatched so I can't be objecive, but I'd say RR arithmetic was the best.

-- Mike Hanley, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Are they still around anymore? I agree that Harriet W is a great singer, but overall they're just a touch polite for me. A best-of would be nice.

Dr.C, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Reading, Writing and Arithmetic is utterly wonderful, and I can't think of anything that could improve it. I never really caught up with much of their later work, but I was *very* disappointed with (what sounded to me like) the smug self-satisfaction of Static and Silence.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah. 'Reading... ' one of the last, true jangly, 'C86'-style indie albums. And still a delight. I have to stick up for 'Static & Silence' though. At first it sounded to me to airy, to lightweight, to *inconsequential* to make any real impression on me. It sounded interchangeable with any of the many 'sensitive girly' singer-songwriter albums about. But eventually it clicked. During an overnight train journey I only had the 'Static' on my walkman. I couldn't fall asleep so I played it over and over. Watching a blue dawn creep over the country-side while Harriet softly cooed 'I Can't Wait' in my ear... it worked a spell on me. It fitted. It sounded *right*. Give it another try.

DavidM, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

very overrated.

Omar, Tuesday, 12 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

five months pass...
Hate to just toss another thumbs up on the pile, but RRandA is one of my top ten all time records. I simply never get tired of it. It's the kind of CD that you can listen to anytime, brilliantly understated production. It makes me remember college (the best days of my life) with lots of fondness. This record and 10,000 Maniacs Our Time in Eden are my favorite mellow pop records of all time.

Jeff Guidry, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Once a fan, I couldn't listen all the way through 'Reading, Writing and Arithmetic' now. All so terribly twee, like Laura Ashley-frocks, afternoon tea, and National Trust home-made jam. A safe, cosy, misty- eyed 'Englishness' that would warm the heart of John Major but leaves me cold.

stevo, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Harriet Wheeler's voice is ok but I always found that Caroline Crawley's of the forgotten Shelleyan Orphan was so much more beautiful, warm and expressive. She also sings on This Mortal Coil's Blood.
I was never a big Sunday's fan though I thought it was pleasant background music. I think I have to give them a spin again. But I fear Stevo is 100% right in his response. In any case they never came close to the Cocteaus, that is for sure.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Stevo's post is interesting, because curiously enough "Reading, Writing and Arithmetic" is one of the few cultural products that evokes that atmosphere but which I genuinely love (and, more to the point, could still love without hesitation during the Major era). To me it's actually a bit more suburban and down-at-heel than that, though admittedly quite closely related.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
Doc: why do you need a Best Of? If the first 2 Sundays LPs won't make you happy, nothing will.

I have a Sundays T-shirt which is too small for me. The first time I wore it, a girl asked me 'Is that the band with the woman with the very high voice who sings about toilets?'. It was a long time ago. But my life is made of memories like this.

They are still among my idols. I hope I never meet them. (And that goes for the Sundays too.)

the pinefox, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Pine - I didn't say I *needed* one. I said it would be *nice*. Too nice probably.

That said - you've rekindled something or other which is making me quite want to hear Here's Where The Story Ends or somesuch.

Was the third album any good? Did one even exist?

Dr. C, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Third LP = Static & Silence. It kicks off with "Summertime", which I thought was fab at the time, not so much now. The rest of it is nice, safe stuff. The sound of a band that no longer needs to wear 'a cardigan and a dress that I've been sick on'. The title track, a memory song about watching the moon landings on TV, still has the ability to move me just like the classic first LP tho'.

Now, anyone care to defend Blind?

Jeff W, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Re: Static & Silence - I've really warmed to it in the past year or so from hearing it played at work (oddly - and even more oddly it one of the very few albums ever that actually sounds better after you've heard it a hundred times coming out of tinny background speakers). It's still 'sedate', but I don't think I'd ever realised just how evocative it can be. (search and download: "Folk Song", "She", "Monochrome")

Tim, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Blind, for me, is maybe one of the top 3 LPs of the 90s. If you don't like it, I wouldn't want to persuade you otherwise. But it can still move me as few other records can.

Static & Silence was a major comedown after the first two: I guess I agree about the cardigan comment, which sums it up neatly enough. It always mystifies me that so many people rate LP#3 over LP#2 - which while not as good as LP#1 (what is?) still feels close enough (cos early enough) to the essence of the band.

'Summertime' is an OK 45, but it's not what's great about the Sundays. I can't say that much for 'Monochrome' either. Probably the best track is indeed 'She'.

the pinefox, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

mmmmmmm.....Harriet.

Chris, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I do like "Static and Silence" a lot, but the attempts at Joe Boyd- esque production tend to make it a little wishy washy at times. The first Sundays album has got to be one of the best pop albums ever, if not the best indiepop album ever.

electric sound of jim, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Embarrassing personal revelation: I was repeatedly asked to just leave a Sundays mailing list if I was so damn disappointed with Static and Silence. I'd also add that when I was 14 or so and at the peak of my Sundays fandom, I liked Blind much more than Reading, Writing and Arithmetic -- but I was a few months away from getting into shoegazing and the Cocteau Twins, so I was probably giving Blind credit for a lot of "dreamy" touches I'd hadn't fully sourced out yet.

nabisco, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

But Blind is much better than anything the Cocteau Twins ever did.

ryan, Monday, 29 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

But isn't "Cry" a lovely song? Even if the mandolin solo is perhaps one egg too much for the pudding.

Venga, Wednesday, 31 July 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Where are they from?

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 21 August 2003 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

the UK

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 21 August 2003 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link

There was a time I was absolutely mad for the Sundays. That time ended approximately two weeks ago, when "mad" gave way to a more gentile "wild."

Seriously, Harriet Wheeler has the most beautiful female voice I've ever heard. Going against conventional rockist wisdom, I'd pick her over Aretha, Dusty, Nina, Billie or any other highly regarded musical woman in pop's history.

It's hard to believe it's been six years since Static & Silence came out (a full five years after Blind). I'm hoping there will be a 4th album by 2010, but I fear that will forever remain a daydream.

Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 21 August 2003 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
are there even any rumours anymore? Where have the Sundays gone?

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 28 March 2004 07:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I find it difficult to believe I never noticed this thread before.

I am touched by Gareth's reference to Stevenage back there. But it's difficult to reconcile the wistful charms of Wheeler with the damply grim banality of the town. In fact they remind me of Norwich, party because that was where I was studying when I heard them and partly because they seem more appropriate to that slightly sleepy market town setting.

Harriet Wheeler once kissed me. I will take that memory to the grave.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 28 March 2004 09:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Harriet Wheeler once kissed me. I will take that memory to the grave.

She once waited at the same bus stop as me in Camden with David G, child and shopping. I will take that memory to Safeway.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 28 March 2004 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Well - it takes all sorts to make a world - for me "Static and Silence" is their best record.

I don't know if "Cry" is about the death of Harriet's dad, but I KNOW it's about the death of mine: I have to programme it out if I don't want to burst into tears.

But how about "Monochrome"? What an extraordinarily atmospheric song. It's so visual; I see these two little girls looking at the moon landings on a television, and Armstrong and Aldrin dancing through the air, and then the girls looking out the window at the moon.

They're dancing around -
slow puppets, silver ground,
and the stars and stripes in the sand.
We hear a voice from above,
and it's history.
And we stayed awake
all night.

They're dancing around.
It sends a shiver down my spine,
and I run to look in the sky,
and I half expect to hear them asking to come down.


That song sure sends a shiver down *my* spine.

Baravelli. (Jake Proudlock), Sunday, 28 March 2004 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to improve on Mike's pay-off... but it just can't be done.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel for you.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I love you.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Both of us?

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I've enjoyed "Blind" a lot more over the years. Especially the Wild Horses cover. Very underrated album. Plus, it has my favorite Morrissey lyric not written by Morrissey:

"This is my life and it's all very well, but never never ever again...."

kickitcricket, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

That's what I get for not signing my posts (all my posts from now on, on every thread) Chaka Khan.

reading, writing and arithmetic does seem out on its own - sonically, lyrically - and Blind has a closer relation in Static and Silence I think. rwa is such a chilly, bare-floored record for all its talk of woollen things.

I recall the mixed reception Blind received on its release from the UK inkies. MM, which seemed to have thrown its lot in with the resurgent US rock scene and Brit rave culture with a little more gusto than indie centrale NME, embraced Blind as a wilful anomaly, a wistful gem - there was ET's glowing LP review, Mueller gushing over "Medicine" on the radio and a Quebecois live review in strips of purple. Lamacq gave the album a desultory three, maybe four out of ten in the NME, sad that the band he'd championed had somehow lost the power to jangle.

I saw them that December in Wolverhampton. Winter recast in the Wulfrun Hall, icicles on the lighting rig.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 08:32 (eighteen years ago) link

She had very nice hair IIRC.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 08:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I find the continuing support for Harriet's hair, and the Sundays generally, I find somewhat bemusing.

"This is my life and it's all very well, but never never ever again...."

This is a bad line that illustrates their weakness. It's nothing like Morrissey, or not like good Morrissey anyway.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

they did a bbc sesh which i only found out about recently, as the version of 'my finest hour' was on bbc6. had different words and everything. it was probably done before the album for like kid jensen or whoever.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark Goodier, prob. (Kid Jensen long gone).

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Harriet Wheeler once sang happy birthday to me during a radio interview I did many years ago. I will take that with me. Don't know where, but it's coming along for the ride.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 10:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Weren't they the cover stars on the first NME of the 1990s, the issue after the Roses on Top of The World Christmas double edition? Fuck, that brings me back. Everything seemed so much more precious back then. The days when indie meant more than life or death! "Can't Be Sure" was one of the big buzz singles throughout 1989 in the inklies but I remember alright the mixed reception the album then got. It did sound a little flat however aside from the 2 or 3 classics.

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

They had a little cake.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I think RWA is just about perfect from top to bottom. I don't really listen to the other two that much.

I've been on vacation. Can someone please clue me in on what IIRC means?

rainman (rainman), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry that's misleading. I think the Sundays are Classic.

IIRC means "if I remember correctly".

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Harriet Wheeler once kissed me

how did we let this go by without more explanation?????

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Weren't they the cover stars on the first NME of the 1990s?
Melody Maker.
and maybe NME as well, but MM yes.

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

NME yes.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I think they need to wait for every shoegaze band to reunite first. We're almost there, though.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:28 (six years ago) link

I think there are some misses on static and silence but Another Flavour rocketh the land. It is, as they say, my jam. Reading Writing is unimpeachable, as has been noted.

forbidden fruitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 7 November 2015 22:30 (six years ago) link

Blind is my favourite.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 8 November 2015 00:59 (six years ago) link

which is the lost song?? would love to hear that.

― piscesx, Friday, November 6, 2015 11:15 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just message me! I'll send it that way. It isn't "Turkish", it's called "Something More" (as far as we know) and is much more obscure.

Robert: a little off-topic, but if you like both ethereal goth and The Sundays, then I have to recommend the second Innocence Mission album to you 'Umbrella'. It's one of the only good Sundays imitations I've ever heard (I've given dozens of bad Sundays imitations a chance), and it has, surprisingly, at least a couple of songs that sound kind of dark. At least search "Evensong" from that album - I promise you'll like it a lot. (Nothing else by Innocence Mission besides the 'Umbrella' album sounds like The Sundays though, - just to save your time).

monster mash, Sunday, 8 November 2015 21:33 (six years ago) link

I gave up after Blind included a poor cover version of Wild Horses.

^ It blows my mind that anyone with properly working ears attached to their head could even say such a thing!

RE: 'Static And Silence'. Yeah, what a major comedown. If that album had come from any other indie pop band, it'd be k-classic. But, coming from The Sundays, especially after those first two albums, it was a letdown, in a way. Still v. v. good though, regardless.

--

I feel like they'll be back, someday. The brief interview from a year-and-a-half ago is slightly encouraging, and they also have their own recording studio built into their house. Honestly, I have a theory: they seem like really cool, down-to-earth people, but sort of conservative in a way? Anyway, they went on hiatus so they could raise their kids in private (we all assume - but it wasn't stated by them). My thinking is that they're still waiting for their youngest child to leave teenage-hood before they finally come back. Because; parents are never, ever cool, and they probably just don't wanna embarrass their kids by being indie rock stars, talking to the press, going on tours, etc. They probably just wanna live quietly and raise their kids normally, I figure.

Honestly, when they come back, I just hope they go wayyy back, back before S&S, and do something more abstract and dreamy as they did on the first two albums. Either that, or do a bunch of stripped down acoustic guitar/voice only songs, a la "Wild Horses".

Poor David Gavurin, just as integral to the sound of The Sundays as Harriet, but never appreciated by anybody ever. I guess he's okay with it, but still. Poor guy.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, November 7, 2015 6:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I love him, as a guitar player. I hate him as a man, because he married Harriet and I didn't. Lol.
He's actually done the only good Johnny Marry impersonation that I've ever heard, on "Don't Tell Your Mother".
He's actually one of my favorite guitar players! I'd listen to him even without Harriet!

monster mash, Sunday, 8 November 2015 21:46 (six years ago) link

Honestly, when they come back

This guy. You're alright.

austinato (Austin), Sunday, 8 November 2015 22:26 (six years ago) link

They stopped just short of the period when artists were incorporating inadvisable electronica elements into their music, and they missed the autotune era altogether, so I hope they also draw deeply from those wells.

Trimming The Hegyes: The Life & Times Of A Sweathog's Barber (Old Lunch), Sunday, 8 November 2015 22:34 (six years ago) link

I did think Chvrches were how The Sundays would sound with electronica.

Mark G, Sunday, 8 November 2015 22:38 (six years ago) link

Thread revive made me deep-listen to rrr the other night for first time in like ten years, and I can tell you Gavurin is crazy appreciated by me, at least. This is prob totally cliche, but it's guitar hero work for someone who's inclined to abhor guitar hero stuff.

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 22:19 (six years ago) link

Although it actually predates S&S, Frente's Shape sounds a lot like what one might imagine a more ecumenical Sundays album to sound like (and also is an excellent album).

Tim F, Thursday, 19 November 2015 00:03 (six years ago) link

This weekend I received my first CD copy of this album (I owned it on tape for 25 years).

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 00:49 (six years ago) link

x-post

i have 'marvin! the album' by frente! i always liked it and thought parts of it were sundays-esque. should i really check out 'shape'? is it before or after 'marvin'?

in a hideous town (monster mash), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:38 (six years ago) link

Shape is the follow-up and is much better IMO.

Tim F, Thursday, 19 November 2015 23:20 (six years ago) link

My fondest wish is to mix Tim F a cocktail and sit on a cool terrace while this album plays.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 23:31 (six years ago) link

not sure if it was a deliberate homage, but the Spanish indiepop group Fine! often sounded just like Static & Silence-era Sundays, right down the vocal mannerisms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T1cH-X9LIU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53zklL0VIHI

(I've never heard that Frente album, but I'll have to check it out)

scarlett bohansson (unregistered), Friday, 20 November 2015 01:23 (six years ago) link

I bought an album by Moonpools and Caterpillars because it was RIYL-ed the Sundays but I didn't see it myself.

Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 November 2015 01:58 (six years ago) link

I've been into the s/t Stretch Princess album since it came out in 1998, chiefly because it has a few songs where they channel The Sundays in subtle ways. (Stretch Princess goes full on distorto guitar in most of their choruses though.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15lof9jLSdk

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 20 November 2015 03:01 (six years ago) link

very nice

calstars, Friday, 20 November 2015 03:14 (six years ago) link

i like how this thread has (temporarily?) devolved into trying to find good sundays sound-a-likes.

i have those fine! albums. i checked that band out because i thought it was a great name, but they didn't leave an impression on me :-/

potential trouble source (monster mash), Sunday, 22 November 2015 21:29 (six years ago) link

The Sundays are coming back. Someday they will. Trust me. I just know it.
There is honestly no doubt in my mind that they will be back within the next 1-5 years, for reasons I mentioned upthread a little while ago.

Anyway, short of their inevitable, eventual return, this thread has nearly been done to death, for the time being. . .

Unless, however, we'd like to post/share more about good Sundays sound-a-likes. The Sundays are my favorite band times a million-billion, and I think going into depth on their best imitators would be a purposeful thing to do. (I'm always up for a good imitation/clone of my favorite band, The Sundays! (though, few exist). It seems truly odd to me, however, that some Sundays fans slag off other bands that sound a lot like The Sundays -- like, don't you want more of that Sundays sound???

So, maybe we can do that for a while, unless consensus requires another thread.

Shoestrings: "Naked"
This is a great one. I hate to just call them a Sundays imitation, for they're a fine band in their own right. And, believe it or not, I can actually imagine this song coming into being even without The Sundays having existed! But, because of the vocals, I have to rate this as probably the best Sundays sound-a-like I've ever really heard. It just sounds like The Sundays picking up from S&S with a few synth-string washes, and slightly more naiveté, for these people were younger when recording this than the Sundays people ever were on any of their albums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIGJY_ZyplM

I can really only think of very few other, worthy Sundays sound-a-likes. There really are a few, though (I've searched, and searched, and searched. I'll post them here later, unless we need another thread or something.

PS: The guy sings most of the songs on that Shoestrings album/most of their songs don't sound exactly like this.

LEGALIZE COCAINE (monster mash), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 01:38 (six years ago) link

Seeing this thread reminded me that I saw the Sundays with Madder Rose in Houston. One of the best shows I saw in the 90's. I need reading writing and arithmetic on record.

JacobSanders, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 03:44 (six years ago) link

Saw that very tour:

https://nedraggett.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/not-just-the-ticket-65-the-sundays-june-5-1993/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 04:33 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

Listened to a bit of their first LP this weekend, and wondered ... whatever became of Harriet Wheeler?

Alex in NYC, Monday, 4 April 2016 14:37 (six years ago) link

She and Gavurin have just been enjoying the domestic life for the last 18 or so years, it appears.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 4 April 2016 14:45 (six years ago) link

This thread is such a mean tease every time it gets bumped.

I am very inteligent and dicipline boy (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 April 2016 15:48 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

a little off-topic, but if you like both ethereal goth and The Sundays, then I have to recommend the second Innocence Mission album to you 'Umbrella'. It's one of the only good Sundays imitations I've ever heard (I've given dozens of bad Sundays imitations a chance), and it has, surprisingly, at least a couple of songs that sound kind of dark. At least search "Evensong" from that album - I promise you'll like it a lot. (Nothing else by Innocence Mission besides the 'Umbrella' album sounds like The Sundays though, - just to save your time).

― monster mash, Sunday, November 8, 2015 4:33 PM (one year ago)

I've been listening to the first two Innocence Mission albums a lot lately, and this is otm! I'm starting to wonder if 'God Made Me' might have been a deliberate send-up of the Innocence Mission. I like to imagine Harriet and Dave listening to Umbrella, being like, 'hey, these American Jesus freaks are eating our lunch!', and writing an innocuously-titled apostate anthem for the express purpose of breaking the Perises poor Catholic hearts. it probably didn't happen that way, but I can dream.

the baby grew up to be a secessful kid (unregistered), Sunday, 25 June 2017 20:46 (five years ago) link

as for Sundays imitations, the lead singer of the Spanish band Fine channels Harriet Wheeler pretty strongly at times, though their style is more loungey indiepop than ethereal goth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE5XOBgU_po

the baby grew up to be a secessful kid (unregistered), Sunday, 25 June 2017 21:18 (five years ago) link

nothing makes me happier than a sundays bump : )
will check out that IM album

calstars, Sunday, 25 June 2017 21:27 (five years ago) link

Talking of Sundays imitations…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vt0d9YlTC4

Bloody Snail, Sunday, 25 June 2017 21:57 (five years ago) link

^good call, this song is very Static & Silence-ish. I hadn't even heard of the Sundays back when it came out

the baby grew up to be a secessful kid (unregistered), Sunday, 25 June 2017 22:17 (five years ago) link

and I don't think I've ever seen that video before because what is even going on with Natalie's hair

the baby grew up to be a secessful kid (unregistered), Sunday, 25 June 2017 22:23 (five years ago) link

Wrong Impression was the reason I finally got Reading, Writing & Arithmetic. I told my brother how much I loved it and he said, "you should probably get the first Sundays album then". He was right. I do still love the Natalie Imbruglia single as well.

kitchen person, Sunday, 25 June 2017 22:43 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

I avoided Wild Hoses for the longest time but it’s actually a great vehicle for Harriet

calstars, Monday, 5 March 2018 22:03 (four years ago) link

Wild Hoses.

OK .....

Mark G, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 06:52 (four years ago) link

The rock stars who went back work thread makes me wonder about this lot & how they fund their child rearing. Even though it's none of my business.

lana del boy (ledge), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 09:17 (four years ago) link

p sure Harriet went into service with the civil service

how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 11:47 (four years ago) link

Finding a pound doesn't count for much these days.

lana del boy (ledge), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 12:34 (four years ago) link

The Sundays are my go to for smiths-like music when i'm in a smiths-like mood but really don't want to hear morrissey (which as of the last year or so is all of the time, forever)

jamiesummerz, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 12:51 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Leave us alone.
https://longreads.com/2019/07/30/searching-for-the-sundays/

Jazzbo, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 17:27 (two years ago) link

^ That's rather good. Can't say I've ever yearned to meet any musician. But can understand how something like RW&A could inspire such a thing.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 1 August 2019 02:59 (two years ago) link

Gawd this article is the embodiment of “tl;dr”... I can’t even skim it effectively.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Thursday, 1 August 2019 03:36 (two years ago) link

tl;dr for ya: big obsessive buildup and then he didn't meet them.

StanM, Thursday, 1 August 2019 04:58 (two years ago) link

It's the story of an adult learning about boundaries (ie, figuring out, thankfully in time, that showing up unannounced on your heroes' doorstep when they clearly value their privacy and have explicitly said as much to you through a proxy is an unambiguously bad idea).

Apprentice Taintjazzler (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 August 2019 05:06 (two years ago) link

Seemed like a string of clichés and truisms threaded around a fairly creepy premise - "they've demonstrated they have no interest in publicity or interviews, but if they only met me they'd change their minds, and I won't take no for an answer! Oh I guess they have a right to privacy after all, we've all learned something and let me explain it to you." Yeesh.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 1 August 2019 05:20 (two years ago) link

And yet, people moaning because he didn't 'deliver'

Mark G, Thursday, 1 August 2019 07:01 (two years ago) link

wow this guy is the absolute worst

boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 August 2019 07:24 (two years ago) link

this isn't even about the band, this is an awful guy's attempt to make himself the centre of a story that nobody else wanted to be told

boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 August 2019 07:25 (two years ago) link

I mean, would I have been thrilled if they consented to an interview? Absolutely. If it turned out that their 'consent' was the result of someone jimmying the lock on their back door at 3 AM and sitting at the foot of their bed until they finally relented? Not so much. Not so much.

Apprentice Taintjazzler (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 August 2019 10:27 (two years ago) link

wow this guy is the absolute worst

hey, he’s no Abraham Reisman

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 1 August 2019 11:16 (two years ago) link

two years pass...

Well, something I did not expect

BIG MUSIC NEWS: I have a new band with Patrick Hannan of The SUNDAYS! An absolute dream come true. We are called The Wild Fell. More music (and shows) soon, but for now stream (or download) our first song "The Ghost You Love" now!
https://t.co/v52c76tsoI

— David Obuchowski, Peugeot Haver & Vax Getter (@DavidOfromNJ) June 20, 2022

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 June 2022 17:44 (one week ago) link


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