Classic Or Dud: Pat Metheny

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So many records, so much to be said...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Duuuuuuuuud.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I like "Farmer's Trust" ... used to fantasize about using it as seduction music for a girl I eventually failed to get off with. (Though no fault of the music, I never even got to try.)

phil jones (interstar), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

hairstyle: classic.
guitar playing: dud, but in a "pat is a part of jazz like it or not" sort of way.

i will confess to being slightly influenced by him during my short-lived career as a failed jazz guitar prodigy. i really liked the 'i can see your house from here' disc he did with john scofield (also a wanker).

ultimately i'd really like to see what would happen if we got pat methany and thurston moore to do a Duets album ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

ultimately i'd really like to see what would happen if we got pat methany and thurston moore to do a Duets album ...

If you've heard Zero Tolerance For Silence, you'd fear that it would kind of suck.

I don't know. Yes, he's got some really cheesy stuff that my dentist would probably object to. Yes, he has big, funny hair. And yes, he wears that same striped shirt in every photo of him ever taken.

But he's also done a number of really interesting things, like a lot of the guitar synth stuff on Offramp and his straight ahead records with Ornette's group. Or his record with Ornette, for that matter.

Though I understand that the powerful oranges and yellows of cheese can be a bit blinding to all that.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

someone recently described Zero Tolerance for Silence as the "Plan B from outer space" of guitar-improv records

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

genius.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say it's more like Full Frontal of guitar-improv in that it's sort of art-house slumming that doesn't really work.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

i'd agree with most of the sentiments above (i.e. dud), but i do really enjoy his work on joshua redman's debut album, 'wish.' this was before joshua redman had become a fashion model, and the whole album's quite good provided you can get past the 'tears in heaven' cover.

arjun (arjun), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

The actual Pat Metheny Group is full of cheese, but whenever he gets into a combo situation with his peers (or elders) he reminds me how good he is. Search Bright Size Life, all his trio records ala Dave Holland/Roy Haynes and Billy Higgins/Charlie Haden(?), and Gary Burton's 'Like Minds' with Chick Corea, Dave Holland, and Roy Haynes that is my personal favorite Metheny appearance.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Icefire is a great track or maybe I am just getting old.

kephm (kephm), Saturday, 31 December 2005 03:20 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm never sure if I like him. I do agree that he's good on "Wish" and I sort of like the trio records -- that 99->00 one was pretty cool.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 31 December 2005 03:29 (fifteen years ago) link

I always used to hate him, and although I own Zero Tolerance I've only listened to it once or twice. It was the record with Scofield (who may be a dick, but sure can play - at least when pushed by skillful and challenging collaborators) that really convinced me to give him a chance. I love Song X of course, but assumed that it was all because of Ornette. I checked "The Imaginary World" out of the library at the recommendation of a friend and - it's really good. Douchebag hair or not, I think I'm becoming a bit of a fan.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 31 December 2005 03:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Incidentally, since I started this thread, classic with a few caveats.

Metheny gets beat up here b/c of the hair and the fact that his most syrupy stuff sells so well. But the best of his ECM stuff is among the label's finest and his sense of melody is peerless.

Indeed, the guy has made a handful of GREAT records -- his early-80s ECM stuff is chock full of wonderful moments, many electronic: the opening and Ornette-on-guitar-synth title tracks of Offramp, the just reissued Song X on which he duets with Ornette on guitar synth. And the weirdest, most beautific one, As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls, which sits somewhere between post-Evans jazz, New Age and a sort of bossa-nova Vangelis -- it's excellent.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 31 December 2005 03:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Bright Size Life is a really nice album. It's sentimental without the schlocky saccharine fusion that people hate him for and the tunes are really nice. Plus, Jaco on bass.

Seconded that As Falls Wichita is strange, and frequently awesome.

I've never listened to much of his noise work but it always seems to be a tantrum - "Hey, I can do this shit too!" Granted the guy has serious chops, and he could probably do some interesting work in free improv, but he's held back by the context. I saw him live once on the Secret Story, and halfway through the show he sat down for some solo acoustic guitar. Everyone was like, "Ah, this'll be pretty." He lifted his hand, got ready to play, and then just SLAMMED out some random chords for about a minute or two, pissing off everybody in the theater, until he segued to something from the album. It didn't "work" but it was a good joke.

save the robot (save the robot), Saturday, 31 December 2005 03:53 (fifteen years ago) link

i still need to hear the Ornette stuff. i am planning on playing watercolors on sunday afternoon to see if i can get all the way through it in one sitting.

kephm (kephm), Saturday, 31 December 2005 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Bright Size Life is a little too nice. I'd almost rather hear schlock.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 31 December 2005 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link

I have a real soft spot for the warm, "children's music" sound of some of those '70s ECM dates - Bright Size Life, solo Chick Corea, Eberhard Weber's Colours of Chloe. I don't even get where it was coming from, but it reminds me of being five years old and watching weird-ass promos and station identifications on the local PBS network, which probably used some of that music between Sesame Street and The Electric Company.

(Or at least they used Windham Hill.)

save the robot (save the robot), Saturday, 31 December 2005 04:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh and jeez, Bill Frisell In Line. They should just give you something to cradle when you play that.

save the robot (save the robot), Saturday, 31 December 2005 04:13 (fifteen years ago) link

I've still never heard anything bad by him, though I haven't been actively seeking bad stuff. I think I've gone on at more length about most of the searches on various threads but The Way Up (especially), Song X, and I Can See Your House From Here are all great 'musical' albums IMO. Zero Tolerance for Silence and The Sign of 4 worked very well as sheer noise for me (actually the former has lots of tunes and classic rocky riffs under the feedback). Not saying I pull them out every day but they work when they need to. Trio 99->00 seems solid but I haven't listened a ton or anything.

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Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 31 December 2005 04:18 (fifteen years ago) link

By the way, how typical is The Way Up of PMG? If this is the syrupy stuff everyone's talking about, I'm ready to pour away.

Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 31 December 2005 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link

BSL really cooks at certain points, it's not all tea and crumpet. "Broadway Blues" is pretty fierce.

Keith C (lync0), Saturday, 31 December 2005 04:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Agreed -- that was one of the great things about '70s and early '80s ECM: for all its placidity, most of the best shit on the label had bite, too.

STR is OTM, as it were, with Bright Sized Life -- Metheny's guitar tone is creamy as hell, but there's some edge there. Also, it's not all terrific but for texturally pleasing Metheny w/o much in the way of "jazz", New Chatauqua has some really purdy stuff. Same goes for Watercolors, which features a boatload of Eberhard Weber in all his fretless bass beauty...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 31 December 2005 06:12 (fifteen years ago) link

it goes back and forth for me

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 31 December 2005 06:38 (fifteen years ago) link

"And the weirdest, most beautific one, As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls, which sits somewhere between post-Evans jazz, New Age and a sort of bossa-nova Vangelis -- it's excellent."

Ha. That's the only Metheny I know, so I came into this thread thinking "Classic, duh." I've been warned off of other albums, and never really pursued him, but AFWSFWF is genius. I had no idea until recently that the rest of his stuff was crap...

js (honestengine), Saturday, 31 December 2005 06:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Secret Story (especially the too-beautiful-for-words "Above the Treetops") is a stand-out album from him. More recently "One Quiet Night", his album of acoustic improvisations is also very interesting. It's nice to see a jazz guitarist who is driven by a sense of genuine melodicism and phrasing rather that just displaying almost android-like control over the physical mechanics of playing. Though I really enjoy his ECM recordings, there is a special place in my heart for people like Terje Rypdal and Ralph Towner.

Cliftonb, Saturday, 31 December 2005 07:51 (fifteen years ago) link

AFWSFWF is genius. I had no idea until recently that the rest of his stuff was crap...

You might wanna check out Offramp as well. The opening track is this very spacious padded out bossa-nova until right near the end, where Metheny explodes into this atonal guitar synth mess. It's pretty fantastic and a great lead into "Are You Going With Me" which is one of his great epics from the period...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 31 December 2005 08:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Offramp, New Chautauqua, and As Falls Wichita are all fantastic, in my book. I grew up with them, and have been so happy to rediscover them as an adult and enjoy them thoroughly.

I've just got the reissue of American Garage, which is pretty cheesy, but WONDERFUL! It's all roadtrips as a child for me, so there's that nostalgia, but also the delightful comfort of knowing the melodies as they build. The album is all varying shades of build-up and climax, in a fairly unabashed sense, and there's a lot of joy to be found in such craft, for me.

CLASSIC.

derrick (derrick), Saturday, 31 December 2005 10:12 (fifteen years ago) link

and let's not forget
how great 80/81
was/is then/and now

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 31 December 2005 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

jordan OTM. although he manages to convince brecker to play some cheese on 80/81. folk song = dud. most everything else on that album = BANGIN. he and dejohnette like hit it off and stuff

the baconian dynasticist, Saturday, 31 December 2005 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Great stuff. Clearly classic. Fusion needs a tune on top to be good, and Metheny usually makes sure his stuff is tuneful.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 1 January 2006 03:11 (fifteen years ago) link

As the new year dawns, Geir muses happily on the primacy of melody :)

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Sunday, 1 January 2006 04:38 (fifteen years ago) link

(unrelatedly: many many moons after first hearing it, I still find myself singing "What's Up With You" happily to myself: it's a good'n, Geir, nice work)

Mr Straight Toxic (ghostface), Sunday, 1 January 2006 04:48 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I ironically like Pat Metheny!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 15 April 2006 06:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean, I like Pat Metheny ironically.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 15 April 2006 06:31 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.ams.org/images/doob.jpg

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 15 April 2006 06:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Okay now I don't like him anymore.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 15 April 2006 06:43 (fifteen years ago) link

dude, I heard the Pat Metheny on "Piano Jazz" last weekend and it was freeking AMAZING!!!


I am totally a fan right now! this guy is a freak! I only own Zero Tolerance cuz I'm a SY fan, but ok, right, I see thee error etc etc

I currently have "Question and Answer", "Bright Sized Life", "Trio 99-00", and the expanded "Song X" in my Amazon.com Wish List right now...

he is totally the real deal. i will make amend for any Metheny hate I ever spouted. very smart guy, very great player. organizes good bands and gets the job done.. I'm suddenly a fan! i love when that happens

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 15 April 2006 08:34 (fifteen years ago) link

i actually thought about reviving this thread myself last week after my revelation

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 15 April 2006 08:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Good picks, 'cus the trio records are really where it's at. He just lets loose and rips like the freak he is, and no other BS gets in the way. I like some of the "PMG" stuff and his other experiments but the trio records are the ones I always go back to. "Bright Size Life" is a personal touchtone for me--it not only got me back into playing guitar but also shattered me for good when I realized I'll never have that amazing, natural talent that someone like Pat has (he was only 21 on that album).

Keith C (lync0), Saturday, 15 April 2006 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Despite myself I put on (Still Life) Talking when I got off the graveyard shift the other day.

I have a bunch of his records that I'm hanging onto in hopes that one day I'll learn to appreciate him. Liked "Song X" right away though.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 26 November 2007 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link

The actual Pat Metheny Group is full of cheese, but whenever he gets into a combo situation with his peers (or elders) he reminds me how good he is. Search Bright Size Life, all his trio records ala Dave Holland/Roy Haynes and Billy Higgins/Charlie Haden(?), and Gary Burton's 'Like Minds' with Chick Corea, Dave Holland, and Roy Haynes that is my personal favorite Metheny appearance.

-- Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:27 PM (4 years ago)
otm. He is OK on the Abbey Lincoln record he plays on with these kinds of guys.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 26 November 2007 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Revive!

Forget Metheny's "noise" stuff. I was listening to Travels the other day -- and again, what a great period that was for him, where the group exists in this lazy, floating, electro-nova plane. It opens with "Are You Going With Me?" where Mays does some wonderful textural stuff, before Metheny comes in on his guitar synth and absolutely goes BERSERK to orgiastic, Coltrane-esque proportions for, like, five heart-stopping minutes.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 10 December 2007 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I had on Travels when my Dad called the other day. The BERSERK portion came on and my Dad goes "What the heck are you listening to?"

"One of those Metheny records you gave me."

"THAT'S not my Metheny!"

oh dad.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2007 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

God Wichita falls is good

Uncle Shavedlongcock (max), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 13:17 (twelve years ago) link

"American Garage" is a great album. More melodic than most "fusion", which is great!

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 13:36 (twelve years ago) link

folk song = dud

fucking MADNESS WTF

BIG HOOS' macaroni is off the motherfucking chain (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone who lived in Florida during the xmas season no doubt has a nostalgia for Last Train Home

WE ARE ALL GEETIKA (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

six months pass...

I'm so glad Metheny was last talked about only a few months ago. I'm jamming out to the studio version of "Last Train Home" right now, and I'm imagining some soft Ibizan beats underneath it. Has anyone ever done a solid remix of Metheny?

the who cares (okamax), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 04:57 (twelve years ago) link

I'm listening to Floating Points - Silhouettes (I, II, III) and this is one of the closest modern analogues I can find to Offramp in some ways...

draxx them sklounst (dog latin), Sunday, 21 February 2016 19:49 (five years ago) link

Metheny's on the new album by saxophonist Logan Richardson, Shift, which comes out on Friday on Blue Note. It's really good. Here's a sample track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gftN8IQpp0k

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 21 February 2016 20:30 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I have a real soft spot for the warm, "children's music" sound of some of those '70s ECM dates - Bright Size Life, solo Chick Corea, Eberhard Weber's Colours of Chloe. I don't even get where it was coming from, but it reminds me of being five years old and watching weird-ass promos and station identifications on the local PBS network, which probably used some of that music between Sesame Street and The Electric Company.

(Or at least they used Windham Hill.)

― save the robot (save the robot), Friday, December 30, 2005 11:11 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thank you for nailing the appeal of Metheny for me! I'm glad I'm not the only one with these associations. American Garage is not an album I would ever try to defend in objective terms, but I love it unashamedly. I also like a few others (all covered here: Offramp, As Falls Wichita, Bright Size Life) but this is the one that I always pull out, and never fails to make me really happy. We're probably about the same age, because I remember all those 'station IDs' and promos on PBS, too (also the pubic access channel). This stuff also reminds me of sitcom theme music from this period. I never really understood why the Brits loved the Ghost Box label so much but via this epiphany wrt Metheny / proto-Weather Channel (and, yes, Windham Hill!) nostalgia, it's starting to make a lot more sense.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 18 March 2016 01:54 (five years ago) link

ten months pass...

From this page:

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/164473

Bongo Herbert (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 22:21 (four years ago) link

Excellent. I came across this Pat track a few weeks ago. I don't know much about this Polish singer, but she has an amazing voice and must be quite popular as this is a pretty high budget presentation. I thought it was a cool version of the tune. They also have a version of "This Is Not America" which is quite good too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-rUzpW1Glo

earlnash, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 01:24 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

Well, this fucking sucks:

R.I.P. Lyle Mays (1953-2020)
It is with great sadness that we have to report the passing of our friend and brother, Lyle Mays (1953-2020). He passed today in Los Angeles after a long battle with a recurring illness, surrounded by loved ones.https://t.co/goeTusSnpC pic.twitter.com/2SOYIXUw84

— Pat Metheny (@PatMetheny) February 11, 2020

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:39 (one year ago) link

Very sad, he was a truly great and underappreciated pianist

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 18:00 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Last night my wife confused Pat Metheny with Chuck Mangionne, which led to lots of shared laughs and the decision that Metheny fans ought to be referred to as "Meth Heads"

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:13 (one year ago) link

still life (talking) is just so wildly good

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 12:12 (one year ago) link

Tbh I'm not sure I've ever listened to any Metheny, though David Blamires is a fixture in my guitar teacher's cover band.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:10 (one year ago) link

still life (talking) is just so wildly good

I bought this just for the first track and didn't really travel any further inland but thats all changing now!

saer, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:23 (one year ago) link

It's definitely one of my favorites along with Bright Size Life and Offramp.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:44 (one year ago) link

If you like the first track, also check out "The First Circle". Similarly epic and complex composition with euphoric vocals.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:47 (one year ago) link

Thats the one with Yolanda You Learn on it? I like that track a lot, I should go inland with that record too!

I'm not really an albums person so tracks are usually disassociated for me and I'm not good with names

saer, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:23 (one year ago) link

Same album, but you should check out the title track

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:26 (one year ago) link

I've been listening to the first PMG album from 78 on LP a lot recently. Sounds so good. Some really nice grooves.

Sund4r, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:32 (one year ago) link

Apparently that and New Chautauqua, which is a possible favourite, got p negative reviews in the contemporary RS record guide? It's not that surprising but does anyone have access to those? I enjoy reading quasi-ideological rockcrit pans from the Golden Age.

Sund4r, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:36 (one year ago) link

still life (talking) is just so wildly good

This is probably exactly backwards but I get a real Larry Heard travelling astral dream paths vibe from this album.

Tim F, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 22:52 (one year ago) link

The trio recording Rejoicing on ECM is very nice, great version of “lonely woman”

brimstead, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:36 (one year ago) link

(The Horace silver one...)

brimstead, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:37 (one year ago) link

pat goes really wild on the guitar synth at one point

brimstead, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 23:37 (one year ago) link

An out of nowhere find but at parts really interesting listen is this podcast discussion I found a few weeks ago between Alan Alda and Pat Metheny.

https://www.aldacommunicationtraining.com/podcast/pat-metheny-discovering-spontaneity-music-everything-else/

earlnash, Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:42 (one year ago) link

I’ve always wondered what a conversation between those two would be like.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 13 March 2020 03:40 (one year ago) link

I've been spinning Gary Burton's 'Ring' quite a bit lately, featuring a quite-young Metheney. He doesn't sound anything like himself, but it's good early ECM listening.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 13 March 2020 05:05 (one year ago) link

As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls is incredible, a recent discovery for me. whats the closest in sound to that one in his catalogue?

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:01 (one year ago) link

Travels or Offramp have Nana Vasconcelos on them which means they have his percussion and wordless vocals – but that’s about it, really. AFWSFWF is really a completely unique entry in Metheny’s catalogue.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 04:41 (one year ago) link

It reminds me a bit of the longer, mostly instrumental pieces on Destroyer - Kaputt

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 05:01 (one year ago) link

As Falls Witchita... is such a great record.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 07:05 (one year ago) link

Last Train Home from Still Life (Talking) is also so crazily evocative.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 07:06 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

the self-titled pat metheny group record from 1978 is absolute bliss

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 April 2020 02:51 (one year ago) link

Ha, that's the one I posted about a few weeks ago. So nice.

Sund4r, Thursday, 2 April 2020 02:56 (one year ago) link

At this point I'm going to worry that every bump of an artist related topic will be about them dying of COVID-19 related complications.

MarkoP, Thursday, 2 April 2020 03:06 (one year ago) link

.... come on

brimstead, Thursday, 2 April 2020 03:17 (one year ago) link

we already have a thread

brimstead, Thursday, 2 April 2020 03:18 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

recognising and putting aside that some Beato stuff is a little silly, this interview is fantastic -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEgalcH_-b4

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Saturday, 28 August 2021 19:25 (three weeks ago) link

Metheny is a really smart cookie. Might not like his music, but the dude has put some serious thought into what he does.

I went down a rabbit hole after watching this interview a few days ago and found older one. This section I thought was very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czrHAyvdz5o

earlnash, Sunday, 29 August 2021 15:16 (two weeks ago) link

Crap, it did not post the time...section starts at around 15:44.

Eventually I want to check out that speech he gave at that Neuroscience convention. That Alan Alda podcast also has some really interesting dialog on improvisation and working as a group and how it works. It was really interesting to see them find common ground between acting and music.

earlnash, Sunday, 29 August 2021 15:22 (two weeks ago) link

I interviewed him the other week; it'll be on Stereogum soon. He is a really smart dude. We talked about Ornette, Derek Bailey, Charlie Haden...the stuff you'd expect me to ask him about.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 29 August 2021 15:31 (two weeks ago) link

This Beato interview is fascinating

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 30 August 2021 21:49 (two weeks ago) link

Somehow I had never heard him talk about his music and technique before. I always pictured him as this kind of airy, new agey person, but he is way more sharp and direct than I imagined. Dude does not fuck around. The whole segment where he's going through the different ways you could work through the chords of "James" is astonishing.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 30 August 2021 23:47 (two weeks ago) link

Interview with Questlove today

https://pca.st/episode/1fcaf033-265a-4f37-b184-d881bc42e541

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 16:53 (one week ago) link

Staying on the Pat Metheny data dive, I came across this article by Lyle Mays. This is also an interesting read that fits in with some of these other interviews.

https://www.lylemays.com/something-left-unsaid

earlnash, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 17:24 (one week ago) link

There's an intriguing review on Amazon of Metheny's "Offramp" album that I'd like to share here:

5.0 out of 5 stars "Music That Could Change An Outcome"
Reviewed in the United States on February 21, 2019
Verified Purchase
In the 80s a girl brought this album and a bottle of wine to my place. She was gorgeous but I was involved and as a result never heard the album until now. I wonder how differently the night might'veended if I had played it then
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EvR, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 20:11 (one week ago) link

My Stereogum interview with Metheny just went up.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 20:19 (one week ago) link

He's making the rounds!

Favorite Metheny moment: the rapid-fire trading with Kenny Garrett on here (also at the end of Lonnie's Lament on that record)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd3oiusxK4g

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 20:48 (one week ago) link

I love that he shouts out Joe Dyson, I saw him play a few times in New Orleans with different people when he was very young and knew he had it, he's a fantastic drummer.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 21:00 (one week ago) link

Wow, I've other people do the mechanical instrument thing (Dan Deacon, Squarepusher - which doesn't sound worlds away from this), but the scale of his Orchestrion setup is pretty insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evHVh4bqaOQ

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:50 (one week ago) link

How would *you* like to be his roadie? Even Terry Bozzio's guy would be all "no thanks."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:55 (one week ago) link

That Tim Martin is looking well

The Music That Made Me is back! Tonight multi-award winning guitar legend Pat Metheny chooses The Beatles, Wes Montgomery and Gary Burton.

The Music That Made Me with Pat Metheny, this evening from 9pm

| @PatMetheny | pic.twitter.com/DGTCPvL4Mn

— Jazz FM (@jazzfm) September 5, 2021

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 September 2021 18:42 (one week ago) link


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