SEARCH! AND DESTROY!: NEW ZEALAND

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SOOOO? I'M CURIOUS...WHAT'S YOUR FAVE NZ BANDS AND ALBUMS AND WHAT AREN'T. AND REMEMBER I'M KEEPING SCORE.

pat kraus, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

oh...AND WHY.

pat kraus, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I Like The Kiwis and the uh...The Almost Australians.

Mike Hanley, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to really like the 3-Ds. Wow, I haven't thought about the 3-Ds in forever! Thanks. Weren't the Noise Addict kids from NZ?

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

TRACER: WHICH ALBUM/S?

pat kraus, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh lordy I don't remember.... wait!! i've found it. The really good one is called "Swarthy Songs For Swabs", on the great Flying Nun label. Though "Hey Seuss" has its moments. Noise Addict... can anyone else answer that? "I Wish I Was Him" is the only song I'm familiar with. Kathleen Hanna covered it adorably.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh jeezus I thought you were kidding about Noise Addict! That was that Ben Lee band wasn't it. No they were from AUSTRALIA THANK GOD...

pat kraus, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

And what the fudge is wrong with Ben Lee? Re the question, The Chills, The Bats - good. Split Enz, Corwded House, Neil Finn - Terminate, with extreme prejudice

Geoff, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

My friend was working in a call centre in Utah and when he told someone that he was a New Zealander they asked him 'Do you speak Scottish then.'

Maryann, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ummmm,Simple Minds, Big Country, Slik, Del Amitri, Bay City Rollers of course, uh, the Corrs, no they're Canadian, ummm, shit.

Duane Zarakov, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Have you heard 'Kiwis Go Home' (inspired by Peter Jeffries) by The Strapping Fieldhands? I haven't. I was reading Glamorama by Bret Easton Ellis and you know how he always lists things? He was making someone say, 'so then we talked about what were the most exclusive nightclubs in New York, Edinburgh, Tokyo, Auckland, NZ . . . ' Hitler made a speech which included the facts that New Zealanders lived in trees and still walked on their knuckles like monkeys.

Maryann, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: DD Smash "Outlook for Thursday," Dragon "Are You Old Enough," debauched stories about Dragon, th' Dudes "Be Mine Tonite," Dance Exponents "Victoria," Bic Runga's voice, Dead Flowers "I Wanna Know," Push Push "Song #27," Hello Sailor "You Bring Out the Worst in Me" and "Gutter Black," debauched stories about Hello Sailor lying comatose in gutters all over Auckland, Stellar "Every Girl," Bailter Space live in 1990, the Bats "North by North," Split Enz "Dirty Creature" and "History Never Repeats," Duane Zarakov's writing in Real Groove ca. 1997 (a plethora of 0/10s to lousy NZ acts), the Popstars concept, the Swingers "Counting the Beat," Mi-Sex "Computer Games," Sharon O'Neill "Smash Palace," Knightshade "Out for the Count," Katango's haircuts, uhhh, maybe something else. Probably not.

AP, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Roy Montgomery. One man, his guitar, a shedload of effects pedals and a rather odd voice. I can't really explain it any better without plagiarising Ned, so go and have a look at his entry for Roy Montgomery in his 136 best albums of the nineties instead of reading this.

Destroy: Crowded House. The bastards.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

1. The Bats - "Daddy's Highway". Their only worthwhile album, but what a classic. Tunes, emotion, fun.

2. The Chills - the early singles ("Rolling Moon"/"Pink Frost"/"Doledrums" etc) collected on the "Kaleidoscope World" album. There's more imagination and talent on this album than the whole of the sorry late 80's anglo-indie scene put together. Tuneful gently psych-pop with killer tunes and great dynamics.

3. The Chills - "Rain"/"Night of Chill Blue"/"Wet Blanket" from "Brave Words" album. Not even the worst production ever (Mayo Thompson) could hide the genius of these three songs. Hope they eventually get around to re-mixing it as rumoured.

4. Straightjacket Fits - "Hail" - two great songwriters in one band (Shane Carter and Andrew Brough). "Dialling a Prayer" and "She Speeds" (Carter) and "Sparkle that Shines" (Brough) are more than great.

5. The Clean - "Vehicle" - forget the earlier noisy, kraut-influenced stuff. It's not a patch on this Rough Trade release from 1990. Why? They discovered melodies - haphazard, drunken melodies, and they sound great! Best tracks - "Dunes", "I Wait Around" "Drawing to a Whole".

6. Verlaines - "Juvenilia". Collects the best early/early-mid material ("Death and the Maiden", "Joed Out")together avoiding the useless chamber-pop of "Hallelujah All the Way Home" and the later grunge-lite Slash albums.

7. Dead Famous People - not very good except for one fantastic song "Girl With an Attitude Problem" on a mini-album which IIRC was called "Arriving Late in Torn and Filthy Jeans". The singer, Donna Savage, sang on a St. Etienne single, but I can't remember which one.

The following are all worthwhile, but patchy : 3-D's, Tall Dwarfs, Bailter Space, Sneaky Feelings and Look Blue Go Purple.

For a while in the late 80's I bought just about everything that came out on Flying Nun - so much better than C-86.

Dr. C, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Dead C! Took me YEARS to get into them - remember almost going mad listening to the 'singing' on 'Trapdoor Fucking Exit' - then it all just clicked when I heard 'The White House', perhaps the best intro to their post-Fall/SY 'lo-fi' noise. The 'Monolake' alb by Dead C spin-off group Gate also 'samples' Faust and the Rolling Stones to brilliant effect.

Andrew L, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Wot, no Garageland?! These indie-popsters lead the NZ pack, surely? Those who were beginning to think the band had peaked early (with the wonderous 'Beelines to Heaven') can get out the bunting to celebrate the arrival of new album 'Do What You Want' which is stuffed to the gills with Ash-meets-Jonathan Richman pearls...

steveM, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

In addition to the indie bands and records mentioned above, I must submit the Gordons first album (from 1980) - one of my favorite albums from anywhere. They later became Bailter Space and weren't as good. Pop fans will like Look Blue Go Purple. I miss the Xpressway label. And I can't believe no one mentioned the Tall Dwarfs.

Kerry Keane, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Chris Knox, people!! Chris Knox!!! I heard Meat is a good 'un; both Songs of Me & You and Beat (his newest album) are excellent as well. Four-track excellence, chock full of wit, whimsy, and melody.

I take offense @ the "grunge-lite" / "chamber pop" slander thrown @ the Verlaines - just because the man (Graeme Downes) is a classical music major and dresses his songs up in strings. It's not like the Bee Gees or Sgt. Pepper's, for the luvva. Granted, Way Out Where is more raucous that earlier output, but that's not a bad thing. I still haven't REALLY gotten into Juvenilia, but you can't go wrong with either Hallejuliah... or Some Disenchanted Evening. (The piano ballad @ the end of the latter album is the best Randy Newman song. Not that I know much Newman, but, still, it's good.)

Been listening to a lot of Peter Jefferies recently - singer/songwriter type with a penchant for dissonance & odd instrumentation. He & his brother (Graeme) had a band called This Kind of Punishment that's also worth checking out (assuming you like guys that sing like Leonard Cohen approximating Bela Lugosi - oddly enough, I do). Unfortunately, most of the TKOP / Jefferies stuff was released on the Ajax Label in the US, which has since let these releases go out of print.

There's SO much out there in just the Flying Nun section. I'm sure there's plenty of non-Nun stuff worth checking out as well - I know Popwatch (a quite-good somewhat-yearly 'zine from the northeastern US) had a comprehensive article on the NZ "noise" scene a couple of years ago.

Do yourself a favor - click over to Flying Nun and do some shopping. The exchange rate between NZ & the rest of the world is abnormally generous to non-NZers, so take advantage!

David Raposa, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

re: gordons great, bailter space not (as) - that's certainly true. a guy i told about the gordons said , oh i saw them too, they were shit. the guitarist broke 3 strings & the bass player broke 2 strings & the audience knocked the PA over but they just kept playing & it sounded exactly the same. yay! the dead c. by comparison = pussies, as pussy as sonic youth. nothing even gets stomped except as theatre. don't you wish more "noise" music actually *was* completely out of control?

duane zarakov, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm really really struggling to thing of anything decent from new zealand. i guess there's Roy Montgomery who's done some wonderful stuff, but some pretty tedious stuff too. liverpool 82 is a wonderful single though...

gareth, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Duane - don't think 'noise' music ever has to be 'completely out of control' to 'work' - sometimes it requires precision, concentration, refinement, instead. Don't think the Dead C and their ilk are necessarily aiming for psuedo-punk amp-smashing 'rebellion', more an overwhelming, total mind/body bliss out like Phil Niblock, who you wouldn't expect to conclude his set with some tired old destructive act (see also that old cliche about Merzbow equalling 'trance' music.)

Andrew L, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Odd but common thread to all above answers from non-NZers is near complete absence of bands that were actually popular, on the radio, and sold records in NZ, vs. obscure knowledge of Dead C, Roy Montgomery etc, acts average NZer has NEVER HEARD OF, EVER. Testament o'course to Flying Nun's (and others') marketing chops in exporting their stuff to music geeks worldwide vs. popular bands here never amounting to shoop elsewhere. (Biggest NZ band in NZ over past two decades = Exponents, power-pop disguised as pub rock, fronted by legendary drunk.)

AP, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

This is totally true. I had this golden image of NZ as a paradisical place where everyone sat around making free noise' and listening to A Handful Of Dust. Alas (tho; not alas for people who live there) this is not the case.

I did have the It's Bigger Than Both Of Us comp of NZ punk - I still do have it somewhere probably - which had "Tally Ho!" on it which I liked a lot but forget who it was by.

Tom, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

tom wrote:This is totally true. I had this golden image of NZ as a paradisical place where everyone sat around making free noise'

Funny, here in Oz, we have this image of NZ as a parasidical place where veryone sits around trying to figure out how to get to Bondi. Though it's no worse than us oz'sters trying to figure out how to go anywhere but hree I guess.

Geoff, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

AP - I did read somewhere that abt a year or so ago the Dead C appeared on a NZ tv show called 'Ground Zero' - did this do nothing to raise their profile?

Andrew L, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

oz'sters trying to figure out how to go anywhere but hree I guess

but why does that anywhere else always seem to be clapham/wandsworth?

gareth, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Tom: "Tally Ho" = the Clean. Yet another faboo Flying Nun alum. Strum-happy VU idolatry without the shades & attitude. Fun, fun, fun. Compilation is the place to start. Members of the Clean can be found in the Bats & 95 other Flying Nun bands.

See also: David Kilgour's solo work. His album (w/ the Heavy Eights, I believe) is wonderful. And he should have a new album coming soon (along w/ a new Clean album, both available via Merge Records in the US of A).

I was always under the impression that Garageland (radio-friendly & popular, in relation to other FN bands - supposedly Pixie-esque to a fault) was horribly blah. Am I wrong? (I've only heard one song of theirs off a - surprise! - Pixies tribute.)

David Raposa, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

If I went into everything I liked from NZ (and thanks for the link, Richard!) I'd be here for a while. Suffice to say I have a lot of time for people like Alastair Galbraith, Robert Scott, Chris Knox, Kim Pieters, Roy Montgomery, Sandra Bell, Graeme Downes...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Andrew L. - re: Gordons/the c./"noise" - maybe i should've put a little smiley guy lying on his side after "pussies....nothin even gets stomped".
but yeah maybe (MAYBE) "a guy beating a electric gtr 'til it goes out of tune = this music is about chaos & violence" is facile & reductive..."shit got smashed up so it *really rocked man*" isn't tho' surely, jeez. whatever i actually think of those ideas tho', would i still class the Dead C. as a lightweight act compared to the Gordons , of course, nobody who'd seen both wouldn't. ( Bailter Space - not saying they're not sometimes good - but don't think you can even imagine what the Gordons were like from that)
They (Gordons/Dead C friends & relations) probably weren't trying to do the same thing , anyway, yeah....altho' i've seen the C. doing a terrible "noise anarchy punk rock" set where they...well they stopped short of *stage diving* but y'know what i'm saying...they were supporting Sonic Youth & totally pandering to the teen grunge audience that would never come & see them at a art gallery in Pt. Chalmers...that's what i was thinking about when i made that cheap crack. the "noise" genre is a red herring anyway (not that this has anything to do with Gordon & his mates, only the pub owner or yr dad called it that then anyway) - as 1 NZ "noise" guy, actually it was that guy from the library with the beard, said, it's *noise* when you don't wanna hear it, when you do it's *music*.
Actual NZ chart music - didn't "How Bizarre" by OMC break internationally a few years ago? that was probably the only one tho' (that anyone anywhere else'd know)....the follow-up "ON the Run" was great & i got to read Chuck Eddy, y'know a *American* talking about it before i ever heard it on the radio here myself. which was funny.
Garageland - yeah they're the *WORST*, can someone else trash late era Flying Nun tho', i'm burned on the subj.

duane zarakov, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

'Coalminers Song' by the Gordons. 'Big Fat Elvis' by, I think, Bored Games (Shane Carter, who went on to form Straightjacket Fits early band). Both fantastic old NZ tunes.

AK79 is a patchy, but sometimes brilliant compilation of Auckland punk. And that reminds me - Toy Love by Toy Love.

Recently an Auckland label Kog Transmissions have been putting out some impressive dance stuff, Pitch Black, Concord Dawn.

david in NZ, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the best thing about ak 79 is brendan perry/ronnie recent doing an impression of green day, 15 years before green day. garageland are dull dull dull, they sound american. graeme downes would have to be at the top of the list of guys who have everything one needs to be worshipped but toil in obscurity. i normally hate guys who sing until their spleen bursts but his explosions were always so elegant. the new dimmer album is horrid! shayne carter does prince or something. daddy's highway isn't the only good bats record, all of them are fine records, sure they are very nearly all the same but robert scott has a way with a tune. roy montgomery is absolutely untouchable since resurfacing. alastair galbraith is beautiful except when he is wanking with bruce russel. cloudboy is the only current nz band i like, flying nun's foray into metal with hdu and d4 is laughable. but the ghost club, david mitchell and denise roughan(they have a lovely single from years ago), record might be interesting.

keith, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Andrew L -- Ground Zero was yer basic yoof TV w/ zany hosts, Friday night live, showing music clips, plus live bands and interviews in studio. Lasted about six months. Far as I could guess, Dead C's appearance raised their profile less than one iota. (And I did actually see it.)

AP, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ground Zero has migrated and can now be found on OZ TV, friday nights, around 13.30, 12 pm on Channel 10 - you guys have this vortex hole that sucks straight through to ur free-to-air TV, don't you?

Geoff, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

re:" graeme downes would have to be at the top of the list of guys who have everything one needs to be worshipped" ... including a BMW.

di, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

re grame downes: and don't even get me started on the Otago University "rock" course.

lady die, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

hey don't hassle our Universe City, they let me use these computers.

guy pretending to be a student in the law library, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

davey mog - "Big Fat E." was the Double Happies.

duane zarakov, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sticky Filth, Fuck Off Cuntface, that band with Dane in and the guy wearing the Slayer T-shirt headbanging and the girl with the belt of bullets and the Pink Floyd samples, The Rainy Days, Celia Patel attempting to be a torch singer in the Frisbee practise room when she brought her own lamp to shine on herself, Snapper, The Jewl of Bessamoochu the first time they played but not the second time when they repeated the exact same spontaneous chatter between songs, Lil Stevie McCabe, all doomed to Eternal Recurrence.

Maryann, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Re: Garageland -- they're fun. You mock without cause. ;-) Though like eighteen million other bands perhaps they need to rip out the IV injecting _Surfer Rosa_ into their veins.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

--*not split enz* or *crowded house* puking dont dream its over over dental waiting room subconscious volume everytime im trying to avoid that kind of thing by supermarket shopping in the early hours... nor split enz who still (i just worked out that maybe shark attack was an ego player jam about the almighty streetness of the FINN bros)... bug me.. even while rehearsing in the middle of hollywood... cos some cover bands practising their set and their set is only split enz covers... i wanted to ask them why?... and is it for love (pathetic), money (funny)or selfloathing (mirror)... and didnt they know they were americans (why not styx ?).. but i was already listening to six months in a leaky boat... (leaking bile in to our $US15-hour practice room).. and sitting in a corner feeling sad.. (not homesick).. but stalked.

dan, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

God, I just love the fact that some of my favourite music in the world is so un-hip. I had no idea. Seems as if I've always had blinders on when it came to the Finns - primarily Neil, who I think has a "hardworking" genius for melody and evocative image, a genius visibly marred by human flaws, but genius nonetheless, and Tim was deemed to have a certain melodrama based entertainment value that kept him interesting from time to time. It changes nothing though - it was primarily evaluated in isolation, no one talks to me about 'my kind of music' *ever*, and damn it if I don't just like what I like.

ummm /rant

Kim, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

so much NZ music is so horrible but no band has such wondorous rock imbedded in every pore as The Datsuns, they are wonderful...and what about all the great wildside bands, early Head like a Hole, pumpkinhead etc etc?

gracie C Russlyn, Tuesday, 12 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
My five fav bands are: Riot III - The First Fifteen - Fishschool - Axlegrinders - Stepford Five - Snort - The Quakers - Flesh De-Vice - Vas Deferens. Musician's who really inspired me, Jessica Walker - Chris Plumer - Samantha Swan,Punk Diva. Eugend from Flesh De-Vice - Dragon and Steve from Vas Deferens. Celia Patel - All the gurls in Stepford Five and Snort and Red-Rag and Barbaric Bunnies.

dottee doeswell, Thursday, 9 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Aspen "Are you that retail snob?" and "Music from passing Cars" Gordons First Album (the best record ever made in this country)...all the Bailter Space stuff from Tanker thru to Vortura...then they started to sound like lame USA indie, the first two Dimmer singles, some of the early FN stuff still sounds good, the 4 track era Tall Dwarfs still sounds odd but Knox has been increasingly pandering to his audience for some time now, King Loser were a great live band but the records are patchy, Rainy Days were good and then I lost interest....

Destroy: pretty much all FN stuff post 1990, all the KOG stuff ( wow we can make dance music just as crappy as the rest of the world can)NZ music in general has become increasingly influenced by overseas trends and very little seems to be interesting. Their seems to be more interest in copying genres (rap-metal bands popular, lame Californian punk etc) than developing an original voice. Garageland/Zed/Stellar*/HDU/etc anyone.And as David Cohen said "Neil Finn is about as exciting as porridge"...

David, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Surprised at no mention of the Skeptics...if you can get past the singers' mannerisms the music is great (Skeptics 3 and Amalgum), ditto for the first Headless chickens mini LP. As a general rule in NZ music any band from Auckland is shit (in this country bands move to AK to "make it"), any band from Palmerston North is stuck in the 80s, any band from Wellington is kidding themselves, any band from Christchurch thinks they are better than any other band in NZ and any band from Dunedin is too busy masturbating to notice anyone else. Hope this clears things up.

David, Friday, 10 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
STICKY FILTH, THE WARNERS, TOY LOVE,SPELLING MISTAKES- NO ONE ELSE MATTERS-FLYING NUN IS BOOOORING

Stacey Winteringham, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

It's been nearly ten years since Flying Nun put out anything remotely classic. But the stuff I still listen to from that early period:

Bats - any of their recordings up to and including The Law of Things.

Chills - Heavenly Pop Hits and most of Brave Words

3Ds - Hellzapoppin'

Pretty much the entire of the Getting Older and Tuatara compilations.

Look Blue Go Purple - everything

Chug - Sassafras

Straitjacket Fits - Melt

The Verlaines - Bird Dog (my fave NZ LP ever)

The Clean - evereeeething. especially At The Bottom (that guitar sound!!!!!)

I'm sure there are heaps more but I'm sleepy..

Destroy: Garageland, most FN releases post Garageland (exception: The Subliminals first EP, released a couple of years ago)

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Forgot: Double Happy's Other's Way, BailterSpace's Vortura, a lot of the early Tall Dwarfs stuff.

As for non-FN, Roy Montgomery is my fave. I adore it when he sings, too. Dead C have their moments, but I'd be hard pressed to say I actually like them all that much.

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

No one has mentioned the band Jean Paul Sartre Experience. Phantastic psychedelia. Another band missing are the Able Tasmans. Their music is something like naive (almost all NZ bands sound young and fresh) art rock.

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

the puddle. rik starrr

Alasdair, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

mostly the bass sound, the focus on the low end as instrument/integral part of their sound. the physical presence.

this may have a lot to do with seeing them live.

sleeve, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:44 (ten years ago) link

i like their tunes and lyrics and sound

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:46 (ten years ago) link

Well that's a little hard to argue about... how do you rate them comp to the Chills, the Clean, etc? Or the Gordons for that matter

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:51 (ten years ago) link

I defer to electricsound as far as comparisons but I will say that as far as relatively upbeat and poppy NZ stuff goes it is totally unfair to characterize The Bats as "far beyond awful". to me, that would suggest, like, Miley Cyrus or something.

sleeve, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:55 (ten years ago) link

You mean something that actually sells? Oh, the horror. I'll take MC over the Bats ta

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:58 (ten years ago) link

I just really hate the Bats, it isn't all that rational

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:59 (ten years ago) link

chills have higher highs but less consistent i think. i'd probably say the same for the clean. gordons ok but they don't excite me all that much. miley cyrus has too many crying teenagers in her videos

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Thursday, 9 October 2008 01:59 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, Gordons don't really seem yr thing. If one likes the Bats, yr pretty much exactly right. The Clean esp have some fucking LOW lows.

Niles Caulder, Thursday, 9 October 2008 02:03 (ten years ago) link

I don't see how anyone could listen to "Get Fat," "Neighbours," "Passed By," or "Some Peace Tonight" and not think Robert Scott and the Bats capable of surpassing beauty, or at least something better than awfulness. The Chills (well, maybe not on "Rolling Moon") have always sounded slight to me by comparison--too smooth by half. Of course, the Clean are the best of the three; also, of course, they've all got enough material that you could fill entire cds with duds.

Live, the Bats were burly and blistering. Muscular on the low end as any post-punk outfit, and strumming nearly as frenetically as the Wedding Present at their most deft. Seeing them rock out might have convinced a few of the doubters here.

Would that I had seen the early Clean live...I did see the Chills, but only in the early '90s, by which point they were satin smooth and a bit punchless--though I can hear my pop friends saying that was the point....

Michael Train, Thursday, 9 October 2008 02:36 (ten years ago) link

niles is leading you astray, don't listen. in fact most of this thread is rubbish. listen to esoj. but yeah 'get fat' is marvelous! i think being slight is part of the chills thing isn't it? it's what makes 'this is the way', 'i soar', 'night of chill blue', 'water wolves', etc.. so wonderful, the barely thereness. i think the able tasmans are my fave fnun band of all time from now on.

keythkeyth, Thursday, 9 October 2008 04:06 (ten years ago) link

new love is all has a song that lifts the keyboad riff from 'tally ho!'.

keythkeyth, Thursday, 9 October 2008 04:12 (ten years ago) link

Terminals - Uncoffined
Axemen
Venus Trail
and as they said before - Sticky Filth
Matt Middleton/Crude
Xanadu
Gladeyes from Akl
those guys who did 'Pastor of Muppets'.
That Sisters Underground song.
The Puddle.

All good.

Hinklepicker, Thursday, 9 October 2008 07:28 (ten years ago) link

Man, I loved Daddy's Highway by the Bats, I liked the taut and sinewy way they play those songs.

Also, another big cheer here for the Bird Nest Roys.

NickB, Thursday, 9 October 2008 08:35 (ten years ago) link

Ya na na na na na na na na na na na naaaaah!

its cool bro i'm a rugby league player (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 9 October 2008 09:11 (ten years ago) link

thanks, michael. this is a good start.

Emily Bjurnhjam, Thursday, 9 October 2008 14:09 (ten years ago) link

one that's gone unmentioned - Plagal Grind was a supergroup, except they didn't get individually big til afterwards. really great.

also, 'oddity' by the Clean is a great song, and Snapper is pretty good. Also, the Gordons.

Snop Snitchin, Thursday, 9 October 2008 14:28 (ten years ago) link

"Wave Watching" will always be my favorite Chills song.

Jazzbo, Thursday, 9 October 2008 14:37 (ten years ago) link

loved the Chills so so much. "Pink Frost" one of the great tracks.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 9 October 2008 14:41 (ten years ago) link

Jean Paul Sartre Experience - "Walking Wild In Your Firetime", if you liked Galaxie 500...

henry s, Thursday, 9 October 2008 14:41 (ten years ago) link

Proud Scum's "Suicide 2" is the best song ever from New Zealand.

O YEZ I DiD

obamaloverholeinyohead (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 9 October 2008 15:05 (ten years ago) link

a wealth of material can be heard here: http://thedoledrums.blogspot.com/

mizzell, Thursday, 9 October 2008 15:13 (ten years ago) link

That is to say:

Terminals- Touch

like Elvis having a very very very very very very bad dream.

Hinklepicker, Thursday, 9 October 2008 21:36 (ten years ago) link

of being crap

Niles Caulder, Friday, 10 October 2008 02:25 (ten years ago) link

another website of note:

http://kiwitapes.blogspot.com/

sleeve, Friday, 10 October 2008 03:17 (ten years ago) link

Just realized I had this archive sitting around of 40 NZ songs that I sent to a younger, curious cousin. If anyone's interested, I'll leave it here for a week:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/5y9g0y

Sort of on the punchier, catchier side to get his White Stripes–loving attention. Light on the real punk and noise/drone angle.

Able Tasmans What Was That Thing
Bats Get Fat
Bats Passed By
Bilders America
Bird Nest Roys Bided
Bored Games I Don't Get It
The Cakekitchen Dave the Pimp
Children's Hour Looking For the Sun
The Chills Rolling Moon
The Clean Thumbs Off
The Dead C Mighty
Double Happys I Don't Wanna See You Again
Gordons Adults and Children
Henderson, George & A. Galbraith Macquarie Island
Jean Paul Sartre Experience Elemental
Jefferies, Peter On an Unknown Beach
Knox, Chris The Face of Fashion
The Max Block Burn David Burn
Nocturnal Projections Isn't That Strange?
Nocturnal Projections Nerve Ends in Power Lines
The Orange Fruit salad lives
Plagal Grind Midnight Blue Vision
Proud Scum Suicide 2
Scavengers True Love
Scorched Earth Policy Green Cigar
Screaming Meemees Can't Take It
Shoes This High The Nose One
Snapper Emmanuelle
Spelling Mistakes Feels so Good
Strange Loves She Said Let's Kiss
Suburban Reptiles Saturday Night, Stay at Home
Tall Dwarfs Think Small
Tall Dwarfs I've Left Memories Behind
The Terminals Uncoffined
This Is Heaven Deep Blue Sea
This Kind of Punishment Immigration Song
Toy Love Fingernail on Blackboard Grin
Toy Love Squeeze
Verlaines Death And The Maiden
The Victor Dimisch Band Native Waiter

Michael Train, Friday, 10 October 2008 22:22 (ten years ago) link

FFS, only rolling out Flying Nun/Xpressway stuff is like having a Search & Destroy: Scotland thread and only talking about Postcard. Someone take a fire extinguisher to the keepers of the flame, please.

etc, Friday, 10 October 2008 23:50 (ten years ago) link

Between them, Flying Nun and Xpressway (and all the interconnected bands) are a vastly larger percentage of worthwhile NZ music than Postcard was for Scotland. Postcard's had what, less than 20 releases (in a "nation" of 5-ish million), while the two NZ labels have had hundreds in country with about a million less people, right? I mean, you could do an 80s Scotland compilation (and I know what I'm talking about since I did one, and assisted on others) that avoids Aztec Camera, Orange Juice, and Josef K, but it'd be hard to cover NZ without touching on Flying Nun and Xpressway. I mean, you'd have to almost be as willful as the people who write novels without the letter "e" to pull that off.

I take it you're a big Hello Sailor and Split Enz fan?

There is, of course, that nifty little single ("True Love") by the Marching Girls (formerly the Scavengers, from Auckland), that came out on the Scottish Pop:Aural label....And pre-Dead Can Dance, by the way....

Michael Train, Saturday, 11 October 2008 17:47 (ten years ago) link

I heard a load of work by The Verlaines and The Clean earlier this year. It was weak and evidently very overrated.

the pinefox, Saturday, 11 October 2008 18:12 (ten years ago) link

it's impossible to overrate The Clean, though you might've heard some of the newer stuff, which is a bit less compelling than the older, classic stuff.

Drugs A. Money, Saturday, 11 October 2008 19:39 (ten years ago) link

I've never heard the good Verlaines stuff. I've only heard Way Out Where which to me just sounded like bland alt-rock, apparently their early albums are good. But I love the Clean.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 11 October 2008 22:32 (ten years ago) link

'true love' is awesome, but the b-side 'first in line' is 10x better

the good verlaines stuff is bird dog and juvenilia

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Sunday, 12 October 2008 10:30 (ten years ago) link

For something to be impossible to overrate, if that is possible at all, it would have to be staggeringly, world-dazzlingly good?

I think maybe one cannot overrate the Beatles, or the Magnetic Fields, or even MBV at their best. But the Clean don't really live on the same planet as them, in this regard.

I actually liked one or later Clean songs better than the early ones, though can't remember the names. Maybe I should find that CD again. I think that Dr C upthread also liked this later work.

the pinefox, Sunday, 12 October 2008 10:39 (ten years ago) link

Logically, it's of course correct to point out that something would have to be ideal in order to avoid the chance of being overrated, but in the real world we have only real bands, some of them closer to perfection than others....

There's a pretty large territory between the ground claimed by the Beatles and that by the Magnetic Fields and My Bloody Valentine, respectively, at least when it comes to the question of being so close to world-dazzingly good as to beggar overrating. And I'm not even a big Beatles guy. Take the ten best songs by each band and the Beatles are well ahead, but the others are at about the same distance behind, allowing for personal taste. Your perhaps a case of the Clean undoing their own legend by going on too long while MBV had the grace (well, until this past year) to shut down at their peak. As for the MF comparison, I don't know how you'd even start, given how different the bands are, the one being essentially a one-man pop songwriting project and the other a post-VU guitar-rock band. Put the 1983 Clean on a stage just after the 2008 Magnetic Fields finish up a chamber pop set and you might feel differently. Which would be fine—the two groups are after different things, and there's room for both in the (demi-god) pantheon.

Michael Train, Sunday, 12 October 2008 16:02 (ten years ago) link

Logically, it's of course correct to point out that something would have to be ideal in order to avoid the chance of being overrated, but in the real world we have only real bands, some of them closer to perfection than others....

There's a pretty large territory between the ground claimed by the Beatles and that by the Magnetic Fields and My Bloody Valentine, respectively, at least when it comes to the question of being so close to world-dazzingly good as to beggar overrating. And I'm not even a big Beatles guy. Take the ten best songs by each band and the Beatles are well ahead, but the others are at about the same distance behind, allowing for personal taste. Your judgement is perhaps a result of the Clean undoing their own legend by going on too long while MBV had the grace (well, until this past year) to shut down at their peak. As for the MF comparison, I don't know how you'd even start, given how different the bands are, the one being essentially a one-man pop songwriting project and the other a post-VU guitar-rock band. Put the 1983 Clean on a stage just after the 2008 Magnetic Fields finish up a chamber pop set and you might feel differently. Which would be fine—the two groups are after different things, and there's room for both in the (demi-god) pantheon.

Michael Train, Sunday, 12 October 2008 16:04 (ten years ago) link

OK, I love a lot of this stuff too, but you're debating as if Clean/MBV/MF have something in common. They have their common decline in common, I guess.

MF and Clean fans alike know that their best days are behind 'em. Pete & the Pirates have filled the gap for a lot of Clean fans, not sure what MF fans do. Zombie Boy sure was bad.

On the mbv note:

MBV have responded to their obsolescence with a gimmick: we're the loudest. didn't sound all that great though. combined lack of onstage charisma with pre-sets. loveless as rote-noise-routine. and somehow managed to convince people that new material would be good. mbv were 4 years. 17 years have passed since.

paulhw, Sunday, 12 October 2008 16:53 (ten years ago) link

two years pass...

Some of these Beat Rhythm Fashion songs are really good.
and holy shit this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1MfeLx6Uds

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 05:13 (eight years ago) link

duh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSwvQsMY2Bs

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 05:13 (eight years ago) link

No mention of Bachelorette on here? Surprising!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 05:15 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWViyhzLCPw
title song of this album is amazing. boo youtube

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 30 September 2011 17:15 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wfocIcoXLs

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 30 September 2011 17:20 (seven years ago) link

Flying Nun's got some new and old material brewing. A compilation tribute to The Clean's "Tally Ho" and a new retrospective comp due out in Nov.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 30 September 2011 17:30 (seven years ago) link

seven years pass...

Dearest ILMers. Incredibly, I'm going on tour to Auckland and Wellington in November. I'm doing what I can to find out about what might be happening there, and in NZ more generally, in terms of interesting and unusual musics but would welcome any thoughts you might have. Specifically in terms of bands/artists, venues, record shops and related things. Currently, my knowledge extends as far as a microscopic amount of the Flying Nun back catalogue and The D4, but I'm curious about anything that you are aware of and think is worthwhile. Any thoughts you have would be very greatly appreciated.

neilasimpson, Monday, 19 August 2019 12:04 (one month ago) link

Oh, and Look Blue Go Purple, whom I absolutely love to bits.

neilasimpson, Monday, 19 August 2019 12:09 (one month ago) link

My sister is a big fan of Aldous Harding, though I don't know if Harding identifies with any particular NZ scene or sound. I just read a comment describing her as "like if Feist was a sleep paralysis demon."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 August 2019 12:15 (one month ago) link

There is a What’s New in New Zealand Music thread that’s regularly updated, but I can’t find it in Search somehow.

breastcrawl, Monday, 19 August 2019 13:16 (one month ago) link

That'd be What's New in New Zealand Music? , which I've been a bit slack about posting in.

Just moved to Auckland from Wellington, so I can probably help out a little. If you're into marquee Flying Nun stuff, there's a David Kilgour show in early Nov and the Beths are playing a homecoming show mid November (though the first date has sold out). For record stores, Flying Out and Real Groovy in Auckland and Slow Boat in Wellington will probably have what you're after. For indie-ish stuff, there are venues like Whammy Bar/Wine Cellar in Auckland, and Caroline/Meow/SFBH in Wellington; for more experimental/noise stuff, the Audio Foundation in Auckland and Pyramid Club in Wellington are havens.

Aldous Harding I'd lump in with both the Christchurch/Lyttleton folk/country scene (Marlon Williams, Delaney Davidson etc) plus a more NZ-wide wave of stuff like Nadia Reid/Tiny Ruins.

etc, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 03:32 (one month ago) link

There is a What’s New in New Zealand Music thread that’s regularly updated, but I can’t find it in Search somehow.

― breastcrawl, maandag 19 augustus 2019 15:16 bookmarkflaglink

That'd be What's New in New Zealand Music? , which I've been a bit slack about posting in.

― etc, dinsdag 20 augustus 2019 5:32 bookmarkflaglink

lol, it's literally called that? I should have looked harder, I guess, but I assumed it was a recent-ish thread.

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 11:12 (one month ago) link

This is great advice and direction. Thank you so much!

neilasimpson, Friday, 23 August 2019 13:47 (four weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

This is an extremely useful thread. Many thanks sbahnhof for your diligence.

― neilasimpson, Saturday, August 24, 2019 1:49 AM

Cheers, Neil...

I'm not from here either.

When you first arrive, you hope life is all gonna be like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evx3J-bzNRQ

But then it turns out it's mostly like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxm-wutKi7k

sbahnhof, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 08:47 (one week ago) link

HHAHAHAHAHAHAH

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 10:50 (one week ago) link


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