Warping vinyl

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If your vinyl is warped and skipping is there any way to be able to play it normally, just a couple of times, other than the not very effective 'blue-tack a coin to the cartridge' method?

Anna (Anna), Monday, 13 January 2003 14:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've seen solutions to warped vinyl posted on the internet - you could try searching newsgroup archives. In the past, I've put them on the radiator for a bit and it worked for me, but do it at your own risk. Of course the record is fucked anyway, so you might as well try it.

Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Put something heavy on top of it and leave it for six months - worked for me.

David (David), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...argh! AAARGH!!! - depends HOW warped it is, if it already resembles a miniature propeller, more or less, then not much hope there, 'm afeared

i once (=years ago) tried to 'straighten' a Dizzy Gillespie album, held it under real heavy weights an' all, like for weeks - to ABSOLUTELY no avail

...but i've heard of folks who've eagerly engaged in some SERIOUS abracadabra-techniques -- li'l-steamin-and-li'l-heatin-&-between-the-glassplates-puttin' sort of things ...never saw with my own eyes any record that had been 'rectified' in such a manner, tho
...but did hear of several good-willin' experiments gone horribly wrong (keywords: 'liquid vinyl', 'horrenduous stench', 'heart-attacked parents', 'messed-up Persian rugs', andsoweiter&etcetera)

NO, i AIN'T making it all up, either; i 'appen to come from a geo-ideological time-frame wherein, in me yoof, 'western vinyl' was oftentimes sighted rather less frequently than yer proverbial 'fernbloom on the Midsummer eve', so, erm --

Anna, why doncha jus' blue-tack a coin to the cartridge, for one more time, and make yerself a cd-r or something?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, wait, wait.. What record is it? I mean, I tried for years to flatten a Lords of the New Church record before snapping out of it, exclaiming, "This is a Lords of the New Church record! I've been trying to flatten a Lords of the New Church Record!"

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Edge warp? --and height.
What tracking weight are you running?
Virgin vinyl?
How old?
Groove Condition?

..and most importantly, what's the name of the album (so we can all take cheap shots about you wasting time trying to fix up that stikin' Nick Gilder record).

christoff (christoff), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yup, virgin vinyl. Brand new. All in good condition, even has one of those anti-static sleeves. Miss Kittin and The Hacker 'Stock Exchange Woman'. Trying to review it, hence panic, blu-tacked a five pence piece to the cartridge.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

".... I tried for years to flatten a Lords of the New Church record before snapping out of it, exclaiming, "This is a Lords of the New Church record! I've been trying to flatten a Lords of the New Church Record!" "

Aaaaaah, but was it one of the early pressings of their first album which had the cover with the crappy oil painting of the band apparently indulging in some sort of mediaeval feast 'though Dave? Believe it or not, that ones actually worth a few bob now apparently!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe you should contact the record company and ask them to send you a new copy?

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thin vinyl will settle if you place additional weight on the center spindle -- some turntable even have little center clamps that push down around the label.

christoff (christoff), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Anna you should just write a review about their radical warped-record packaging gimmick, like it's Metal Box or something.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh blah, play frisbee with it and make up the rest of the review. Bored robot with tuetonic accent talks over electro, it sounds like everything else miss kittin has done and I do not think I am generalising (for once) - then again the last time I listened to it I screamed in pain - too loud for someone in my fragile post-substance mental state...

Sarah (starry), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sarah's actually got a good guess on that one, but don't blame Miss Kittin! It's the Hacker's fault. It's like Golden Boy is the only one who will let her sound like anything other than Icy Android Bitch #26G.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

My old boss at the used-record store used to insist that putting a warped album between two panes of glass in a low temperature oven would work, if carefully monitored. Alas, I never tried it, and he never even gave me the proper temps, etc., so who knows.

Lee G (Lee G), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"..., so who knows." -- EXACTLY!

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

Alright, I have some records, thankfully not warped, but where the hole in the centre is noticeably larger than the centrepin in the turntable, thereby making the record far more difficult to mix. Is there anyway to somehow correct this by filling it in with something, or something of the sort?

formerly: mehlt (Edward Saroyan), Thursday, 16 April 2009 16:22 (eight years ago) Permalink

are you DJing?

Because if your just home listening you could use a record clamp but obv that is more work to get on and off

Lord Iffy Boatrace (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 16 April 2009 16:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'm DJ'ing.

I was also meaning to ask about record clamps, smaller, easy to put on/take off ones (I've seen DJ's use them before). Do these help much with warped records? How much money do these usually run for?

formerly: mehlt (Edward Saroyan), Thursday, 16 April 2009 17:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

use stickers to resize the hole. place warped vinyl between 2 pieces of glass and leave it in the sun.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 16 April 2009 18:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

Stickers. . . that's a great idea, thanks.

formerly: mehlt (Edward Saroyan), Thursday, 16 April 2009 19:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

Awwww, actually, since the problem is with these fancy-pants records putting stickers in the middle wouldn't be so good (they don't even have labels on the vinyl.

formerly: mehlt (Edward Saroyan), Thursday, 16 April 2009 19:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

sure it would. i'm thinking of those thin rectangular stickers. rip a small pice and fold it through the hole so you have half of it on one side and half on the flipside. it's hard to explain what i'm talking about but i've used the technique myself and it works.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 16 April 2009 19:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

i have a Falco LP that is super warped. anyone have luck flattening a record in an oven at low heat?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 September 2017 17:00 (two months ago) Permalink

My father in law left my brand new Caretaker ltd edition gold LPs sitting in the sun earlier this summer and now they're ruined. Yay!

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 8 September 2017 17:53 (two months ago) Permalink

Adam, I would not advise the "heat application" method in even the most dire circumstances. It requires super precise monitoring and you will only get good at it through trial and error. The first time you attempt it, you will not be successful. In my experience, two pieces of large glass and a sunny day is the better way to apply the heat method.

But, even then, it's still not very advisable. Because, even though it may "fix" the warp, it will, ultimately, cause more damage.

Look at it like this. . .

The grooves on the vinyl are like jagged mountains:

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

The needle needs to get between these to "read" the frequencies. If you apply heat, it may fix the larger structural damage of the record, but it melt the grooves in ways that you can't see, but you will be able to hear. If the grooves I illustrated above are fine and undamaged, the grooves after the heat application method will look more like:

mλmⱱmmλmⱱmmλmⱱm

And with the needle unable to reach the full length of the grooves, you will get a lot of white noise static. And, if you think about it, this makes sense, as the needle is only partially able to translate those frequencies, so the reception loses its fidelity.

I'm sorry to say, but if you have anything other than a dish warp, your album may be unplayable.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 8 September 2017 18:10 (two months ago) Permalink

have heard good things about this:

http://vinylflat.com/vinylflatproducts.html

sleeve, Friday, 8 September 2017 18:12 (two months ago) Permalink

I think this software might be able to recover the recording if you can play it back (but it won't actually fix the record): http://www.celemony.com/en/capstan

DJI, Friday, 8 September 2017 20:57 (two months ago) Permalink

OMG just saw the price for that. Nvm

DJI, Friday, 8 September 2017 20:58 (two months ago) Permalink

i've seen videos of people using the glass + heat method, but they've put sheets of card inside the glass/vinyl sandwich to prevent the grooves getting squished. no idea whether this works or not

i have about twenty warped records i'd love to flatten, so maybe i might experiment with the lower value ones of those

one thing i never understood though is that often when a record warps, it's because it has expanded due to heat - the surface area increases and there's no way of fitting this into the circumference other than deforming into a third dimension. when you squash it flat again, where does this added surface area go? i guess the record becomes less round?

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 8 September 2017 22:15 (two months ago) Permalink

that vinyl flattener is too expensive to own personally, but I'd love it if my local shop bought one and offered it as a service for $5 per record or something

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 8 September 2017 22:21 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah someone I know has one and does exactly that

sleeve, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:23 (two months ago) Permalink

if it works, would make sense for use on own inventory as well. thing would pay for itself. probably best to indicate you've done it somehow, though.

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 8 September 2017 22:28 (two months ago) Permalink

these things are supposed to be the best but they're even pricier:

http://www.analogueseduction.net/category-631/orb-df-01i-high-end-audio-vinyl-lp-record-flattener.html

think a shop near me has one and you can pay per squish but most of my wonky records probably aren't even worth the few quid they'd charge to do it

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 8 September 2017 22:30 (two months ago) Permalink

£2,000 for this one - you could buy a lot of records for that:

http://www.analogueseduction.net/furutech-vinyl-lp-flatteners/furutech-df-2-lp-record-flattener.html

plp will eat itself (NickB), Friday, 8 September 2017 22:33 (two months ago) Permalink

hmmm, maybe if I run crysis on an old dell laptop and sandwich the record between the keyboard and screen...

you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 8 September 2017 22:36 (two months ago) Permalink

how rare is this... Falco LP?

niels, Friday, 8 September 2017 23:54 (two months ago) Permalink

I don't think any heat application method is ultimately a good idea because of the reasons I stated above. Just because you can't see the grooves being melted down from clearly defined edges to rounded out, damaged grooves doesn't mean it's not happening. I've done the heat method more times than I can remember and every single time, the record would play through the previously unplayable warp, but with a noticeably increased amount of white surface noise. Not an even trade, in my opinion.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 8 September 2017 23:57 (two months ago) Permalink

agreed, if I had to do it I would use one of the devices linked

sleeve, Saturday, 9 September 2017 00:12 (two months ago) Permalink

thanks for the advice all. the record was so warped that there really wasn't any danger in warping it further (it already doesn't play) so i left it in an oven for an hour at low heat. it flattened out quite a bit, not completely, but it's a start, i made progress and at least it didn't completely melt. but the bits where it is most warped are on the edge of the record (Rock Me Amadeus on start of side one) so it's still not playable from the start. if i ever have any luck getting it to play ill report here!

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 9 September 2017 14:03 (two months ago) Permalink

Might just be better cutting your losses and seeking out another copy at this point.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 9 September 2017 22:23 (two months ago) Permalink

they're practically giving it away at https://www.discogs.com/Falco-Falco-3/master/66093

niels, Sunday, 10 September 2017 08:32 (two months ago) Permalink


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