Frank Sinatra: S/D

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I bought my first Sinatra CD (Songs for Swingin' Lovers!) tonight, so I can play it when I have my sweetie over for dinner, since she's a fan. I'm not, but this CD is okay. I already like some of these songs from renditions by other singers, which helps a bit. Also, it brings back the fox trot lessons I need to return to (slow, slow, quick-quick, slow, slow, quick-quick).

Anyway, I'm not planning on buying a lot of Sinatra, but I think ILM should have a Sinatra S/D thread.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 12 January 2003 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Only The Lonely: Totally bleak and depressing but not overwrought despite the full Nelson Riddle treatment.
Destroy: 1970 onward is probably the main cut-off date.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Sunday, 12 January 2003 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Stuff with Dean Martin in the background just generally macking the fuck out.
Destroy: Stuff that doesn't feature Dean Martin in any respect.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 12 January 2003 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know a huge amount by frank sinatra,to be honest,but search one for my baby,for a start...

robin (robin), Sunday, 12 January 2003 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, you have to get In the Wee Still Hours of the Morning. Most depressing alb ever. He had just broken up with Ava Gardner and recorded this masterpiece (and why wouldn't you? god, what a babe). Every song a self-pitying lament to love lost.

Only the Lonely is another great wrist-slitter too. In some way he sort of pioneered the "concept album".

Of course as far as great Italian-American voices go, ol' blue eyes PALES in comparison to guys like Jimmy Rosseli or Al Martino.

But it helps to have friends in high places, if you know what I mean.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 12 January 2003 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link

You bought the best first, probably. The others around that time are great too, like Swing Easy, One For My Baby and Songs For Young Lovers. I have 28 of his albums, and I think I at least like them all.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 12 January 2003 13:33 (eighteen years ago) link

The early 70s 'comeback' albums for pure menopausal madness. 'Some Nice Thing's I've Missed' sounds like a cross between Richard Harris and Kool G Rap. The Rod McKuen album is great too.

dave q, Sunday, 12 January 2003 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

While the swing LPs are good, for some reason his mid/late 60s stuff appeals to me the most. Anyone heard "Watertown", his concept album from '69? It looks fascinating.

Jeff W, Sunday, 12 January 2003 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Sinatra? Didn't Miss Kittin say it best? "He's dead. Dead. ::giggles::"

maria b (maria b), Sunday, 12 January 2003 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Everything Frank did for Capital in the 50s and 60s is gold.
For another great "swing" album, try Swinging Affair. It has perhaps my very favorite Sinatra performance, "Look at Me Now."

Jim M (jmcgaw), Sunday, 12 January 2003 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Another cry to search: In the Wee Small Hours and Only the Lonely. Also No One Cares. Ballads brought out the best in Sinatra, I think.

If you have some cash The Capitol Singles Collection is a perfect place to start too. Be careful about the Reprise stuff; some of it is pretty good but much is garbage. One good LP is the one with Antonio Carlos Jobim.

The Columbia stuff is almost uniformly good but much is in a more big band vein than what was to come on Capitol.

Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

If you can find an MP3 out there, search "I'll Be Around" from In the Wee Small Hours and you'll be sold.

Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

search: film appearances. 'The Manchurian Candidate' and 'The Man With the Golden Arm' are excellent.

'A Man Alone' is the Rod McKuen one Dave Q mentions. the other late-60s stuff with Don Coasta is nice too, like 'Cycles'.

michael (michael), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I think some of the late '60s stuff is for people who don't really like Sinatra; at least, some of his stabs and a kind of MOR rock-influenced sound, or at least a "continental" folk-pop sort of thing. I personally can't stand much of this (I hate Watertown, his Bob Gaudio-produced concept album) as it veers into kitsch too often. But to each his own. Although as I mention before the Sinatra/Jobim album is one crossover which works.

I think can fairly safely say: destroy the Duets albums.

Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

"He's dead. Dead. ::giggles::"

What does that mean?

Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

(I think I'm a Sinatra rockist.)

Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Sinatra on Sunday (WNYC), Pal Joey, High Society...

Destroy: Nancy (with the laughing face)

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Also Search: the Jobim album and two movies - Guys and Dolls and On the Town (both flawed, admittedly, but worth seeing at least once, even if the cast albums may be better)

Destroy: The Sunday Show on WNYC. Jonathan Schwartz is perhaps the single most annoying man on radio (is his response to all the music he plays really breathless admiration? does he talk so slowly because he's an egotist?), including Rush Limbaugh, and that WNYC keeps playing his easy listening/cabaret music while virtually eliminating its classical music programming is unjust. I'm still waiting for a Sunday show as good as Eddie Stubbs' (country/honky-tonk, formerly broadcast from Nashville to WAMU in Washington, DC).

gabbneb, Sunday, 12 January 2003 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: 'Water Town', Jobim album, 'In the Wee Small Hours...' in particular.
Many of the other earlier ones don't have such an impression on me. 'Water Town' is a quite daring change in his sound; i like it a lot, reminds me of the great Four Seasons album, 'Imitation Life Gazette'.

Tom May, Sunday, 12 January 2003 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I grew up with Italian-American male vocalist stuff, my dad had *hundreds* of those kind of records (tons of jazzy female vox too)... funny I really don't remember much of it, he kind of stopped listening to them pretty early on. The only Sinatra I have is the Jobim one; maybe I should put it on now.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 12 January 2003 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Can anyone in the DC area remember who presented Sinatra Sundays on WWDC (1260AM), back in the day? A web search turned up nothing but the alarming fact that one can now go on Music Of Your Life cruises.

Funny this thread should pop up when I've just spent the evening listening to In The Wee Small Hours, trying to put Everton's defeat at Spurs in some perspective. Also recommended: his earlier work with Tommy Dorsey.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 12 January 2003 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

If we're talking movies, I'd recommend most of them - I think he was almost as great an actor as he was a singer. Golden Arm, yes, but very much also The Manchurian Candidate.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 12 January 2003 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: I've not heard a bad Capitol album yet, and I've got most of them. In particular the ballads albums - 'In the wee small hours', 'No-one cares', 'Only the lonely', 'Point of no return'.

Also, 'Live at The Sands' with Count Basie, and 'September of my years' are damn fine.

Destroy: 'Love and marriage'

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 13 January 2003 11:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I rather like "Watertown," but for full effect it has to be heard in conjunction with "Genuine Imitation Life Gazette" by the Four Seasons, also written and produced by Crewe and Gaudio - each album has musical and lyrical references to the other one.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 13 January 2003 11:28 (eighteen years ago) link

search: bim bam baby
destroy: high hopes, and anything else he did with annoying children's voices on it

pauls00, Monday, 13 January 2003 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Search his Basie discs -- Fly Me To the Moon swings like a sonafabitch.

christoff (christoff), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
News alert: Dusty Groove is currently selling The Capitol Years for $100. This is a box set of all of Sinatra's vocal albums for Capitol, plus The Rare Sinatra (which is not available outside of the set)--21 CDs in all, I believe. Supposedly the remastering on these CDs (which come from EMI-Holland) is even better than on the American versions. Usually sells for $250 or $300. I just picked a copy up. I suspect they won't last too long at this price, so if you're Sinatra-curious....

Note that I have no affiliation with Dusty Groove and am only posting this for the potential benefit of other Sinatra-philes.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 30 January 2003 04:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The 2000 Capitol comp Classic Sinatra is the most played CD of my lifetime, mostly because I used it as an honours course in pop singing. The only problem is that it creates an illusion of infallibility which is impossible to live up to (actually even some of the later performances on Classic grate a little as well, but that's after 100 listens). To specify, a few of his ballads sound second-hand (which never happens with Holiday). When the swing tracks fail, that's usually the arranger's fault, and of course it happens extremely rarely with Nelson Riddle. I'd trade any vocal performance I've heard for Frank's on "Under My Skin" on Swinging Lovers - and I'd trade that record for "Night and Day" on A Swingin' Affair.

I wouldn't trade either for From Here to Eternity, though I'd think about it.

B.Rad (Brad), Thursday, 30 January 2003 09:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't get into him. I don't hate the CD I bought. It's quite tolerable, but I don't enjoy his voice, don't like his persona, and don't feel any emotional connection to anything he sings.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 30 January 2003 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't rate him as one of my very favorite singers, but now that I've made the investment in the box set, I will be devoting more attention to him. Maybe I can report back later with what I find.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 31 January 2003 00:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Amateurist -- Thanks for the head's up, on both the title and the store itself; very extensive selection and reasonable -- very nice. 'Cept now i've got the urge to drop my next paycheck on music, you bastard!

christoff (christoff), Friday, 31 January 2003 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

You're most welcome. Be careful lest you drop $500 on the Todo Caetano box set now on sale.

Re. Sinatra, I have made one observation today. I've heard a few times of Sinatra's supposed influence on Scott Walker, but wasn't convinced. I thought perhaps Sinatra was the only reference point that certain rock critics had as regards pre-rock popular song. But listening to Sinatra's 1962 record Point of No Return (from the box set), I am struck by a great similarity not just between Sinatra's vocals here and Scott, but also between the arrangements here (by Axel Stordahl) and those on Scott's early solo records.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 31 January 2003 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm getting to like Frank a little better after having my girlfriend (?) give me fox trot lessons at my place last night, with this CD playing. Maybe I will go for another one.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 2 February 2003 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Or maybe that box set, just for characteristic overkill. At that price, how can I afford not to buy it, even if I don't necessarily want it.

Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 2 February 2003 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"Man, you have to get In the Wee Still Hours of the Morning. Most depressing alb ever. He had just broken up with Ava Gardner and recorded this masterpiece (and why wouldn't you? god, what a babe). Every song a self-pitying lament to love lost."

'In the Wee Small Hours' sounds positively jaunty compared to 'Where are you?'. Another great ballads album, but darker still.

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 3 February 2003 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Rockist Scientist, you may be out of luck. I stopped by Dusty Groove yesterday and was told they had sold out of the Sinatra box sets, as I had expected. My impression is that someone found a few of these in a warehouse, and was willing to get rid of them at a bargain price. But you might want to go to their website; they have a feature where they can email you when a particular title comes back in stock. It's worked for me in the past.

Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 3 February 2003 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Amateurist, it's probably just as well. I don't really need that much Sinatra. Was thinking of giving it to my (maybe) girlfriend, but I don't think she would know what to do with that much Sinatra. She's not a music fiend like me, though she enjoys enough of what I enjoy for comfort. It was a very tempting price, however.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 3 February 2003 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...
I like what James says vis-a-vis 'Where Are You?' and 'In the Wee Small Hours.' Another fine ballad album is 'No One Cares'; its version of "Why Try to Change Me Now?" was the first song I played after learning of Sinatra's death.

As for darkness, all these are the 1910 Fruitgum Co. next to 'Only the Lonely.'

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 28 May 2005 09:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Search: "Five Minutes More." It's from his very early years, and I'd rather listen to that song than any other thing he's ever done (which isn't saying much b/c I deeply hate most everything else he's done...).

PB, Sunday, 29 May 2005 00:26 (fifteen years ago) link

I like '69's "A Man Alone" and "Watertown" from the next year. They're the two best late Sinatra albums I know. From '63, "Sinatra-Basie" is fine; "Francis A. & Edward K.," with Ellington, '68, is also very good indeed. "Live in Australia, 1959," with Red Norvo, is awesome, as is "Sinatra '57--In Concert."

I used to be a real skeptic about Frank. The Great American Songbook, fuck that. But what really converted me are all the great bootlegs my Sinatra-obsessed pal here in Nashvegas turned me onto--if you can track 'em down, "FS After Hours," with Bill Miller on piano, is very fine. "Inside Basie: In the Studio October 2-3 1962" is great as well, and listening to it gives you a sense of how smart he was about what he was doing, how in control.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 29 May 2005 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link

"Songs For Swingin' Lovers" (the ultimate popular music swing album)
"Sings For Only The Lonely" (the ultimate doom ballad album)
"September Of My Years" (the ultimate album about getting old)

Most of what he did after 1970.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 30 May 2005 11:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Even though it's played out as hell, I really love "Something Stupid" with Nancy. Someone told me the song was once though to have incestuous connotations, because it's (sort of) a love song sung by father and daughter. Hello, ever heard of assuming a role?!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 30 May 2005 12:39 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

I've been listening to In the Wee Still Hours of the Morning a lot lately, and guess at what hours. Man, you ain't never been blue 'till you've heard his "Mood Indigo." It's an odd album, really, in its tenacious consistency. It's one goddamn sad-ass breakup song after another, sixteen of them in all, but you can't turn it off. Amazing.

kenan, Saturday, 23 February 2008 10:57 (twelve years ago) link

i haven't heard it, i really should. i've heard precious few proper albums. i really want the '75 comeback special in vegas that pbs is always pushing... last year i listened to, or rather studied a little 20 song capitol compilation in my car for a good 3 months last year.

tremendoid, Saturday, 23 February 2008 11:21 (twelve years ago) link

oh i forgot SANG. i nailed 'i've got you under my skin' and 'witchcraft' doing karaoke with strgn last week.

tremendoid, Saturday, 23 February 2008 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

Kenan, I love that album, too, bit it's still small beer, or a Saturday afternoon at the carnival, compared to Only the Lonely.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 23 February 2008 14:06 (twelve years ago) link


If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 23 February 2008 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

I bought six Sinatra albums - Wee Small Hours, Only The Lonely, No One Cares, Songs For Swingin' Lovers, A Swingin' Affair and Come Fly With Me - a couple of weeks back. Haven't worked my way through all of them yet, but so far No One Cares kicks ass.

unperson, Saturday, 23 February 2008 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

That cover!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 23 February 2008 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

A certain "demonic" torrent tracker had HQ rips of the original mono vinyl releases of Only The Lonely, Swing Along With Me, etc. and holy crap they're astounding.

I imagine they're still floating around out there.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 24 February 2008 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

hadn't really registered with me how much his output diminished after Watertown. Can only speculate what would have happened if he'd stuck around long enough for Rick Rubin to get his hands on him lol.

I'm listening to some of his mid- to late-60s albums and man this stuff gets pretty dire, even with the occasional big hit/"signature song" popping up. It's crazy how rapidly he became totally irrelevant, and you can't really blame him for not giving as much of a fuck. What was he supposed to do, make a rock opera? Retreat to small jazz combo recordings? He had nowhere to go.

Οὖτις, Monday, 14 December 2015 20:56 (five years ago) link

Been a while, but I liked the ones w Jobim and Ellington. Main thing: he came back strong on the radio, King of Dad Pop, while upstart Elvis was in eclipse. Adult Pop was the way Sinatra, Bennett etc. had been marketed in the 50s, talkin' back to that greasy kid stuff. Even prestigious albums, as albums first became a big deal (not in kid music, o course). Then he became a compulsive self-parody with that Rat Pack shit ('bout ruined his movie career/cred), but for a while there in the 60s, pretty good, and even when not good, still pretty big (on the radio). Uniquely so, for a guy of his generation, in that time segment (might've sucked again by late 60s though, don't remember).

dow, Monday, 14 December 2015 21:23 (five years ago) link

yeah everyone loves the Jobim one afaict, I was just listening to That's Life! (ugh what is with the organ and the female backup chorus?!) and Strangers in the Night. Both generated big hits that must've felt like combative throwbacks at the time.

Οὖτις, Monday, 14 December 2015 21:26 (five years ago) link

The movie version of Pal Joey is fine anytime Frank is singing, or Rita Hayworth is moving or singing. Kim Novak ventilating "My Funny Valentine," not so much.

Also there's a cute dog doing shtick throughout, to keep your mind off all the transactions in human flesh going on.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 December 2015 18:54 (five years ago) link

(was surprised at the amount of San Francisco location shooting, very early for that kinda stuff unless something Serious like a Kazan film)

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 December 2015 18:56 (five years ago) link

(also i should note that neither of the female stars did her character's singing)

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 December 2015 18:58 (five years ago) link

this one got a lot of publicity and actually went gold:

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 December 2015 19:01 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

i felt the Gibney doc kinda skimps over his gangster affiliations

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Saturday, 30 January 2016 21:16 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

this John Lahr essay (year unknown) is a wowser

The result Riddle achieved in “I’ve Got You Under My Skin” was, he said, “a sort of a cornerstone recording for both him and me.” The arrangement starts with a comfortable, loping rhythm that Riddle called “the heartbeat rhythm” (“Sinatra’s tempo is the tempo of the heartbeat,” he said) and then sets up a marvellous instrumental tension around Sinatra’s voice. Riddle always found little licks—certain spicy, nearly out-of-key notes—that would tease the key, and added the glue of “sustaining strings” almost subliminally to the rhythm and woodwind sections. At the instrumental breaks in the songs, Riddle gave solo voices to oboes, muted trumpets, piccolos, bassoons; in “I’ve Got You Under My Skin,” it was to Milt Bernhart’s trombone, which whipped up the excitement until Sinatra joined the song again and brought it back to the heartbeat rhythm where it had begun. Sinatra had wanted an extended crescendo; Riddle provided one that was longer than had ever been heard in an organized arrangement....

After the humiliations of his decline, nothing so moved Sinatra as the spectacle of himself as a powerhouse: big talent, big guys around him, big bucks behind him, big connections to the mainstream and to underworld power. “He used his success in film, in singing, and in business to pump up the persona of untouchable,” Tony Curtis says. “Notice I don’t bring up the Mafia. He in himself was his own godfather. He ran his own family and his friends like that. Untouchable.”...

Sinatra stood before an audience as a person who had caroused with killers and kings. He’d been married to the most beautiful woman in the world. He had won and lost and now won again. All this made him more interesting as a performer than anything he sang. Sinatra’s best songs of the period—“All the Way,” “Call Me Irresponsible,” and especially “Come Fly with Me”—were written by Sammy Cahn, who had roomed with Sinatra, travelled with Sinatra, and lived a lot of Sinatra’s story with him. The material was Sinatra. “Sammy’s words fit my mouth the best,” he told the producer George Slaughter.
But lyrics, like everything else, could suffer from Sinatra’s egotism. “Ira Gershwin hated that Sinatra took ‘A Foggy Day’ and sang ‘I viewed the morning with much alarm,’” the singer Michael Feinstein, who was for a long time Gershwin’s assistant, says. “The lyric is ‘I viewed the morning with alarm.’ It drove Gershwin crazy, because he felt the word ‘much’ weakened what he originally wrote.” Leonora Hornblow tells of an evening at actor Clifton Webb’s when Cole Porter was present: “Frank fiddled with the lyrics. I think it was ‘I Get a Kick Out of You’—you know, ‘You give me a boot.’ Cole got up and walked out. Cole had perfect manners. For him to do that while somebody was singing was like stripping his clothes off.” Sinatra revered Porter (he leased Porter’s apartment at the WaldorfTowers), but he also thought Porter “a snob,” whereas Cahn wrote lyrics that had Sinatra’s common touch....

At Caesar’s Palace, sometime in the early eighties, Shirley MacLaine caught Sinatra’s show. “I don’t know what was bugging him,” she told me, describing the evening’s first set. “The magic wasn’t there. He marked it. He couldn’t wait to get out.” Afterward, at dinner, Sinatra asked what she thought, and she gave him her version of a pep talk. “Frank, you really ought to remember how you got so many of us through a Second World War, and a New Deal, and gave us an education in music,” she said. “Please don’t just mark it, because it disrespects everything you meant to the whole country. You might seem to some like a ruin but to most of us that ruin is a monument.” MacLaine adds, “His eyes just…It was like nobody had said that to him in a long time.”

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 20:53 (four years ago) link


Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 21:00 (four years ago) link

woah.. good stuff.

piscesx, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 22:07 (four years ago) link

formatting putting me off making it through the whole thing but pretty much every paragraph has a great bit in it

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 22:09 (four years ago) link

I highly recommend the biography "The Chairman" by James Kaplan. It's 900 pages, and begins at From Here To Eternity but boy is it entertaining. Basically, Frank was a mean drunk who drank a lot. And the older he got, the meaner he got.

He also kicked out a car radio when he heard Light My Fire on 3 consecutive stations.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 00:23 (four years ago) link

That Lahr piece is fantastic. Is the Kaplan book the two-part one?

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 00:56 (four years ago) link

I've always viewed the Rat Pack's rage/bitterness at the ascendancy of rock with a mixture of pity and "Now you guys know how Rudy Vallee felt, huh?"

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 16:26 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

Nancy Sinatra made it clear two weeks ago that she believed her father Frank Sinatra would not have supported Donald Trump, or performed at his inauguration.

Now a fan has asked her how she feels about the prospect of 'My Way' being sung at the event, after reports that the famous song would be performed for Trump's first dance with his wife Melania as US President.

"Just remember the first line of the song," she responded....

Sinatra himself came to hate the song despite popularising it in 1969, according to his daughter Tina, who said he "always thought that song was self-serving and self-indulgent".

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:46 (four years ago) link

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 January 2017 18:05 (four years ago) link

Absolutely insane story. Sinatra was a mean drunk to put it mildly (according to the huge James Kaplan biography from last year) and this story certainly backs that up.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 19 January 2017 18:06 (four years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Destroy Somethin Stupid without mercy.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:15 (three years ago) link

I like Something' Stupid a bit more than you while also forever being frustrated and perplexed by Nancy being so low in the mix. I think of tunes like this as "Italian Restaurant Music."

Josefa, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:53 (three years ago) link

And here's my top 25.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 January 2018 04:13 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

unusually shot on location

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 November 2019 17:23 (one year ago) link

and later in the same film... the bonhomie between Durante and Frank really makes this number fun

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 November 2019 17:27 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

I couldn't put down the first volume of Kaplan's bio over the holidays, highly recommended

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:21 (one year ago) link

ends with Frank wandering the streets of Beverly Hills, alone, at night, clutching his newly-won Oscar for "From Here to Eternity"

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:22 (one year ago) link

is the degree of mob connex more or less than u expected?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 January 2020 19:35 (one year ago) link

well I knew about the two most famous incidents (getting out of his contract with Dorsey and his conspicuous trip to Havana) and he sticks to what can be corroborated/documented on those points. The transcript of Frank's closed-door Senate testimony on the latter incident is quoted extensively. With the former he takes some pains to point out how the parallels in the Godfather are mostly fictional - someone may have threatened Dorsey with a gun, for ex, but nobody put a dead horse in his bed.

Otherwise he makes it clear that the mob was just part of the milieu he both grew up in as a kid and worked in as an adult, and that he wasn't particularly unusual in this regard. Guys like Bugsy Siegel and Willie Moore were just *around*, so some degree of involvement (and fascination with them) was inevitable.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 January 2020 20:23 (one year ago) link

his mob-financed stake in the Sands is also covered

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 January 2020 20:24 (one year ago) link

I'd never really listened to his pre-Nelson Riddle, Alex Stordahl-arranged stuff. Sheesh those strings really are soporific.

Οὖτις, Monday, 6 January 2020 16:27 (one year ago) link

volume 2 (the Chairman) goes deep into the mafia stuff - kinda unavoidable given the Sinatra/Kennedy/Giancana nexus

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 January 2020 20:56 (one year ago) link

I wonder who will make the biopic now Marty has given it the elbow

piscesx, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 04:40 (one year ago) link

Ken Roberts:

"The hat check girl, Fran, came in, and said 'Someone just shot Bobby Kennedy', and Sinatra made the comment, 'I hope they shot him in the fuckin' head.'

A couple minutes later, she came back and said 'Yes, he was shot in the head.' Sinatra turned white and became so frightened and panicked... he thought that, while he was singing, someone might shoot him"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:01 (one year ago) link

this book is fucking insane

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 23:01 (one year ago) link

important new developments:

There's a QAnon follower who angrily speculates that Pope Francis is secretly Frank Sinatra, who in reality died in 1998.

Sinatra going from a world-famous boozing philanderer to the celibate head of the Catholic Church would be quite a dramatic lifestyle change.

— Travis View (@travis_view) January 30, 2020

mark s, Thursday, 30 January 2020 20:15 (eleven months ago) link

the end of this reminded me very much of the last chapters of the James Brown bio "The One". Not in the particulars (Frank didn't go on any PCP-fueled cross-country car chases), more in the dynamic of being emotionally isolated (and stunted) triumphal figures with nowhere to go but down. After being on top of the world he basically just regretfully slides into creative stagnation and a sort of blank, resentful resignation: no real friends or family, nothing to do, embalmed in his own legend. Did he think it was all worth it, at the end? who knows

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 January 2020 20:36 (eleven months ago) link

also yes obviously Frank is the world's first 105-year old American pope

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 January 2020 20:37 (eleven months ago) link

Frank didn't go on any PCP-fueled cross-country car chases

Cannonball Run II, yo.

"Gas, grass, or ass, baby..."

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:48 (eleven months ago) link

lol fair point

Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 January 2020 21:56 (eleven months ago) link

Brian Wilson talking about writing "Still I Dream of It" for Frank, how awesome "Only the Lonely" is etc

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:09 (eleven months ago) link

(thx to Tyler for the link!)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:10 (eleven months ago) link

this is so great!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 February 2020 06:37 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...

Apparently Capitol Recording Studios (where Frank recorded many of his greatest records, including Only the Lonely) has closed for good - the entire staff was laid off. Would be a shame if they gut it (which I guess will probably happen) - the famous echo chamber alone is irreplaceable.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 08:19 (one week ago) link

birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 08:19 (one week ago) link

Really? That is ... not good. Where did you hear that?

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 12:07 (one week ago) link

Here's what a freelance cutting engineer in L.A. posted last night:

"Stephen Marsh just told me that Capitol Tower Studios is closed and staff has been let go, Ron McMaster confirmed all mastering engineers, Perry and Dave in Restoration and even Paula Salvatore (!!!)"

McMaster is their longtime mastering engineer - he was supposed to retire like a decade ago, but he wound up staying due to the vinyl boom. (Very few people left have his experience in cutting vinyl.) He finally called it a day in 2018.

Salvatore may be familiar to anyone who's seen Dave Grohl's Sound City documentary - she used to run that studio before Capitol.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 16:36 (one week ago) link


Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 16:37 (one week ago) link

I checked back with their website to see if an official announcement had been made. It now says "SERVICES TEMPORARILY UNAVAILABLE." (

birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 17:08 (one week ago) link

Actually, what am I talking about? There's a pandemic going on, so maybe it was already up for that.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 17:11 (one week ago) link

Now it sounds like the studio won't be closing altogether. The entire staff has been let go, and the mastering department is probably gone for good, but if the pandemic improves and they can start booking regular sessions again, they're hoping to re-open. I hope that's the case. I thought they were doing fine relatively speaking so I'd be stunned if this was truly the end.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 17:54 (one week ago) link

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