I was listening to Goo and Dirty the other week and man, did Kim's lyrics get on my nerves. Esp. "Kool Thing" and "Swimsuit Issue," the latter of which I could not hear without thinking of the Ben Stiller parody. Made me think a lot of her book, too, which I really didn't like.
Those albums both still sound awesome, though.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 October 2018 23:56 (five years ago) link
xp that is a very good point tyler
I dig Rather Ripped, "Rapture" and "Rats" are two of my "late period" tunes
("late peroid" is post-Washing Machine for me, it's interesting how subjective this is but I personally place it at the start of the SYR series)
― sleeve, Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
I think that's a fair dividing mark. Washing Machine felt like the last (fruitless) gasp of any external commercial expectations, and the last recorded in an outside studio, iirc.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:07 (five years ago) link
Yeah:
A Thousand Leaves is the 10th studio album by the American experimental rock band Sonic Youth. It was released on May 12, 1998, by DGC Records. A Thousand Leaves was the band's first album recorded at their own studio in Lower Manhattan, which was built with the money they had made at the 1995 Lollapalooza music festival. Since the band had an unlimited amount of time to work in their studio, the album features numerous lengthy and improvisational tracks that were developed unevenly.
SY to me has early (80s), middle (90s), and late (00s) periods.
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:09 (five years ago) link
yeah i think the SYR series is a good demarcation point...also — there's a ben stiller "swimsuit issue" parody?!
― tylerw, Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:12 (five years ago) link
The “mid-period” LP that I like best is “EJST&NS”... there’s something about the tight, minimalist, bluesy sound of that era that appeals to me. (I guess it’s also their “indie rock” album, haha, based on what Wikipedia says about its background.) I’ve also always really liked “Psychic ❤️s,” which has a similar aesthetic, I think.
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:24 (five years ago) link
It feels weird to lump their earliest, more no-wavey releases into the same “early” period as crowd pleasers like daydream nation.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:39 (five years ago) link
yeah, I'd personally define "mid" as Daydream thru Washing Machine
― sleeve, Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:45 (five years ago) link
but I could see purists starting "mid" with Steve Shelly, i.e. EVOL
― sleeve, Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:47 (five years ago) link
xp – me too; exactly the same
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:52 (five years ago) link
These are some interesting tidbits (from Wikipedia):Re: Dirty
After recording was completed, the album needed to be trimmed down from 18 tracks. Moore, Gordon and the band's A&R person, Gary Gersh, agreed that Ranaldo's song "Genetic" would be removed. Ranaldo did not react well to the decision; coupled with personal issues he was facing at the time, it led him to consider leaving the group. After a few weeks, the matter settled and Ranaldo stayed with the band.
Unlike on previous Sonic Youth albums, Ranaldo did not write or sing any songs because he did not like how his compositions were treated and assembled for Dirty and its predecessor Goo.
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:58 (five years ago) link
Gordon's book drives home that it was always Thurston's band first and foremost. I figured the ratio of songs per author/singer was under his control. Ranaldo's tunes are generally well spaced on their albums. I always welcome them, but don't really want more of them.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 7 October 2018 01:01 (five years ago) link
don’t have the book on hand, but the “goodbye 20th century” biography delves into that stuff a bit more if memory recalls.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 7 October 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link
yes, it does - definitely recommended reading for fans
― sleeve, Sunday, 7 October 2018 01:10 (five years ago) link
I'll put in a good word for Silver Session for Jason Knuth. I guess it's the outlier release among outliers - maybe their version of Metal Machine Music? Thurston's liner notes:
we didn't really know jason knuth -- its possible we had met him, or had been in the same room as him, but we didn't recal... we heard about his passing on the internet -- a flurry of grievous and surprised reaction -- people were asking us if we were aware of how much he identified and championed our music -- as music director for kusf he seemingly used sy as a standard for playlisting -- indeed at his memorial his friends played 'the diamond sea' in acknowledgment of his enthusiasm towards us -- he was affectionately referred to as 'sonic knuth' ...here in nyc, so far from the sf community, we were touched and more than intrigued. we learned jason was a vibrant, well loved guy on the music scene w/ a completely genuine exhuberance towards art & music. his demeanor obviously shroued a complex inner life which led to suicide. what jason's feelings were towards his own human existence we may never know but we do know he will be missed by many as a companion. sonic youth wanted to make some gesture towards him as well as focus on suicide prevention. proceeds from this cd will help fund the san francisco suicide prevention hotline (415-781-0550). it is manufactured and distributed by revolver, a company with close and personal associations with jason.a note on the music: silver sessions were taken from an evening when sy had to do vocal overdubs for 'a thousand leaves' -- the band upstairs was hammering out some funky metal overdrive and we couldn't "sing" properly (?!) -- we decided to fight fire with molten lava and turned every amp we owned on to 10+ and leaned as many guitars and basses we could plug in against them and they roared/HOWLED like airplanes burning over the pacific -- we could only enter the playing room with hands pressed hard against our ears and even then it was physically stunning -- we ran a sick outmoded beatbox through the p.a. and it blew out horrendous distorted pulsations. Of course we recorded the whole thing and a few months later we mixed it down into sections, ultra-processing it to a wholly other "piece" -- in a way, it's my favorite record of ours -- I hope jason digs it. --- keep on keep on keep on --- thurston/sonic youth/nyc 1998.
a note on the music: silver sessions were taken from an evening when sy had to do vocal overdubs for 'a thousand leaves' -- the band upstairs was hammering out some funky metal overdrive and we couldn't "sing" properly (?!) -- we decided to fight fire with molten lava and turned every amp we owned on to 10+ and leaned as many guitars and basses we could plug in against them and they roared/HOWLED like airplanes burning over the pacific -- we could only enter the playing room with hands pressed hard against our ears and even then it was physically stunning -- we ran a sick outmoded beatbox through the p.a. and it blew out horrendous distorted pulsations. Of course we recorded the whole thing and a few months later we mixed it down into sections, ultra-processing it to a wholly other "piece" -- in a way, it's my favorite record of ours -- I hope jason digs it. --- keep on keep on keep on --- thurston/sonic youth/nyc 1998.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 7 October 2018 02:02 (five years ago) link
That’s a cool story; but it also would have been cool if they had gone upstairs and jammed with the funk-metallers, and recorded that.
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Sunday, 7 October 2018 02:40 (five years ago) link
I love Silver Sessions and need to spend more time with it, I know some other ILXors are big fans as well (Raymond Cummings?)
― sleeve, Sunday, 7 October 2018 03:36 (five years ago) link
silver sessions is great. friend from long ago was obsessed w/ that one
― macropuente (map), Sunday, 7 October 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link
also — there's a ben stiller "swimsuit issue" parody?!
2:41 or so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY-KnJP5ZP0
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 October 2018 04:58 (five years ago) link
sleeve is correct - Silver Sessions is one of my favorite SY releases.
― Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 7 October 2018 10:27 (five years ago) link
(I'd never seen that Grungies episode - yikes!)
― Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 7 October 2018 10:31 (five years ago) link
Lol, thanks for that. I even like the parody version!
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Sunday, 7 October 2018 12:33 (five years ago) link
“NYC G&F” is really good shit; and it seems like one of their least “Sonic Youth”-y albums, in a way. I read they made it after all their regular gear was stolen? Pretty great results from a “fresh approach borne out of necessity” (if that’s indeed what happened)...
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
I was gonna bring up the gear theft (during the Thousand Leaves tour) as another marker between eras.
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
https://pitchfork.com/news/47906-sonic-youth-recover-stolen-guitars-after-13-years/
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link
Wild story
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Sunday, 7 October 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
I seem to recall they didn't cancel any shows, and in fact did a multi-gig stand with rented gear in Austin right after.
― Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 7 October 2018 20:51 (five years ago) link
I saw them the day after it happened, they were fantastic.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 7 October 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
It happened between 7/2/99 in Berkeley & a festival in Orange County, CA on 7/4/99.
I saw their last show with their OG vintage gear (check this setlist):
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/sonic-youth/1999/greek-theatre-berkeley-ca-63d70e2b.html
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 8 October 2018 03:17 (five years ago) link
I was also at that first show with borrowed equipment.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/sonic-youth/1999/oak-canyon-ranch-irvine-ca-43d91be7.html
The festival was called "This Ain't No Picnic." Lineup:
At the Drive‐InBoredomsGuided by VoicesHovercraftMike Watt (who, if I remember correctly, did not take the opportunity to play "This Ain't No Picnic")Rocket From the CryptScarnellaSleater‐KinneySonic YouthSunny Day Real EstateSuperchunkThe Apples in StereoThe Get Up KidsThe Promise RingWill Oldham
It was my first exposure to Boredoms. Ran right out and bought Super AE.
― Hideous Lump, Monday, 8 October 2018 04:11 (five years ago) link
Yup, was at that very show/festival.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 October 2018 04:48 (five years ago) link
I’m mistaken in that case. I saw them shortly thereafter at Bumbershoot in 99, they were still playing with borrowed gear. In any event, they managed to sound like themselves, and put on a fantastic show at 11am.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
I saw that show also! Very improvisational, in the big arena. Some kid in front of us said to his friend "I thought you said their songs had words, man"
― sleeve, Monday, 8 October 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
they closed with "She Is Not Alone" iirc
I just listened to "The Destroyed Room" collection... that's some serious minor-key atmospherics right there!
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
"beautiful plateau" from that one is an all-time fave SY instrumental — i named this playlist after it: https://open.spotify.com/user/tywilc/playlist/5ma1sgJzXVU1NCc2vtnLpV
― tylerw, Monday, 8 October 2018 20:37 (five years ago) link
Thx, will give this playlist a listen^
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
Of the early albums, I think EVOL is the clear winner for me. There's something about its dark, ominous, echo-ey sound, with vocals that sound like they're being intoned from halfway across the room...
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Monday, 8 October 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link
"Expressway to Yr. Skull" sounds like 5 or 6 different songs to me (in a good way) -- none of which I can identify. It probably influenced all of them, whatever they are.
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Monday, 8 October 2018 22:07 (five years ago) link
something about its dark, ominous, echo-ey sound
I don't know, I really think they benefited from the warmer sound, especially two albums later.
― timellison, Monday, 8 October 2018 22:09 (five years ago) link
I mean, I won't deny that Daydream Nation is a klassic; but I've owned it over 20 years, and have only listened to it all the way through a handful of times (at the beginning). Sometimes I'll start listening; go "yeah!" at Track 1; and then lose interest a few tracks later. It's just not my "style," I guess.
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Monday, 8 October 2018 22:16 (five years ago) link
if you don't like listening to it so much, then it's not a classic for you, imo. no shame in that! i feel the same way about tons of "classic" albums (and there are a million threads about that, i think, so no need to list which ones)
― 1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 October 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link
it's not a klassic if you don't like it. fight the canon!!!!
(i love dn)
― brimstead, Monday, 8 October 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
I'm the same way about Daydream Nation. I do like it, there are loads of good songs on it, but I like Sister & Evol and probably Bad Moon Rising more to listen to as albums (which tbh I basically never do, I've always been into individual songs more than albums and that just got more easy to do with mp3s)
― Colonel Poo, Monday, 8 October 2018 22:23 (five years ago) link
i'm into daydream nation as an album. a couple of the songs work magnificently on their own as a hit it and quit it sampling - teenage riot and 'cross the breeze come to mind first - but most of album gains additional power in the context of the endless lurching between pretty ambience, noise, and pop. and a song like "hyperstation" just deserves to be heard as a climax to an epic journey (i was always meh about Eliminator Jr as the actual closer)
― 1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 October 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link
eliminator jr has a secret track vibe
― brimstead, Monday, 8 October 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link
I forgot I like "Candle" a lot, too...
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Monday, 8 October 2018 22:42 (five years ago) link
teenage riot has to be one of the most praised songs of all time so i'm sure this is commonly expressed, but it might win the award for longest song that feels like the shortest song. almost 7 minutes and it just flies by
― 1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 October 2018 22:43 (five years ago) link
Man, The Eternal is really not good. I take no pleasure in passing that judgment on their final album, but... the dropoff is remarkable. Some of the grooves are OK, but the lyrics and vocal melodies are really bad, and the songs don’t go anywhere.
― brush ’em like crazy (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 01:04 (five years ago) link