Sonic Youth: Classic or Dud/S&D?

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I distinctly remember some fairly recent SY discussion, but the archives reveal no CoD thread so here goes. My opinion? Well, to be honest, I've only heard Daydream Nation but the delirious greatness of that album is enough for me to proclaim them as undeniably classic. Any other band that can produce an album full of "anthems in a vacuum" that shimmer, melt and reform with riffs and melodies that crawl out of nightmare guitar-torture chasms gets my vote. What the hell, why not a SY Search and Destroy, too?

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic ever since Daydream Nation. Though I'm hardly ever in the right mood to play their stuff when I do I binge on it like crack. Search: Sister/Dirty/Goo/NYC Ghosts & Flowers.

scott, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

'Experimental Jet Set' I like too, but a large part of its appeal is in the way it smoulders along and then dramatically explodes and then repeats the trick. This is fine but music that's based around drama tends not to stand up to repeated playing, given that dramatic (and the same can be said for comedic) effectiveness is dependant on not knowing what's about to happen next. In other words I don't think drama or comedy should ever be the dominant qualities in a piece of music. Haven't found that problem with any of their other albums though.

scott, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Am I the only person that thinks Daydream Nation is pretention, overblown, overbearing and about 20 minutes too long? It's one of my least favourite SY albums. My opinion (and filter that through my dronerock beautiful-noisenik arse) is:

Search: Bad Moon Rising, Evol (****), Sister (***** - if I had another star, it would get 6 stars, it is that classic!!!), Goo, and about 15 to 20 minutes of Dirty

Destroy: Daydream Nation, the rest of Dirty and everything else that followed up until about NYC Ghosts & Flowers, which basically scrapes by with a ***

I do actually *love* a great deal of Sonic Youth's eirie, spacey, alien, wonky, warped, blissful music. However, also DESTROY: the *entire* NYC Sonic Youth Cult Of Art and all the pretentious jazzwankers who hang out at the Cooler wishing they could be Lee Renaldo. You're not. Now shave off the chin-rag and go home.

Oh, GAWD, why didn't I think of Sonic Youth back in the "Love the band, hate the image" thread?

masonic boom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Am I the only person that thinks Daydream Nation is pretention, overblown, overbearing and about 20 minutes too long?

No, it's a sentiment I've seen expressed a fair bit, but I'd disagree with it myself.

On Sonic Youth, I'm pretty much a spouter of the conventional indie- rock wisdom. Evol/Sister/Daydream Nation : five star classic. Dirty/Goo : grand poppier stuff but with loss experimental edge. Post- Dirty: good bits very good but the more self-consciously experimental bits don't rock enough to match up to the pop stuff. Pre-Evol: interesting, but don't listen to it that much.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

No, Kate you're not - your description of DN is spot-on. AND I agree with you on 'Sister' - definitely the best - Schizophrenia, Catholic Block, Pipeline/Kill Time, and especially Cotton Crown and White Cross are fantastic. It seems like their whole sound, vision and attitood all came together in such a sharp focus on this album. EVOL nearly gets there, but afterwards DN blurs it out too much.

The other album I REALLY like is 'Dirty'. SY diehards may not agree, and it does feel like a step towards the 'mainstream', which is what I really like about it, I guess. Search for "Theresa's Sound World", but it's all great.

I lost interest after Dirty - I always intend to pick up some of the 90's albums cheap, and never do.

Destroy : Bad Moon Rising and the awful Death Valley '69.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Death Valley 69? Oh come ON! Classic! Utter classic! A duet between two of the most TUNELESS singers of our time! Thurston Moore *and* Lydia Lunch! Come on! I'd like to see Nick Cave and Kylie do some of *that*! years ahead of its time!

masonic boom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

the thing about sonic youth is, all their records only have one really great song, and the rest are kind of, well, ok. but this doesn't stop their records being ace.

daydream nation was the last good record though, goo was ok, but i think their time was over by 90. i like all that confusion=sex era stuff though, although i figure i'd like it more without kim gordon's voice on there...

gareth, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

"all the pretentious jazzwankers who hang out at the Cooler wishing they could be Lee Renaldo" = totally totally me (except obviously when I'm wishing I cd be Tamzin Outhwaite or whatever), yet I never "got round" to buying any of their "experimental 90s albs" till the NYC art-wank Ono/Olivieros cover versions compilation. Which = grate, btw.

"NYC Sonic Youth Cult Of Art": to be fair, this shd be "Cult of the NYC Sonic Youth Cult Of Art", cuz to them — as opposed to their disciples? — it's like "Madonna, George Maciunas, Meat Puppets? it's all rock'n'roll to me"

mark s, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The problem is that the newer work is treated as poor because it has nothing *new* to say, or rather, little new to say. The problem is that the newer work is in many respects superior, just slightly so, and so all the old SY hands yawn and act blase. If you were just discovering SY, and got Thousand Leaves, say, first (I'll leave out NYG&F because I consider it a fairly atrocious attempt to "dumb down" back to their fanbase) or Washing Machine, or even Experimental Jet Set Trash, now wouldn't you consider THAT yer favorite album? Because Experimental Jet Set is mine, for just that reason. Sister comes a close second. Best song is The Sprawl from DN though, which has uniquely good lyrics (as does most of DN, actually) and this incredible emotional resonance with me.

If anyonae but SY had produced Silver Sessions, they would have been brilliant. As it is, avoid them. DV69 is indeed great, with Lunch at the height of her spotty powers.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

SY one of those bands which in popfascist mode I always thought should put out a best-of which would become their best album, but that they never would do this. Then they did, and it's not as good as some of their proper albums. Curses foiled again!

They're the worlds most overground underground band, bless 'em. Classic I suppose. Daydream Nation is great precisely because the sprawl dilutes the attitude until wimps like me don't want to slap them any more. For the 'real thing' I'd take Bad Moon Rising just for "Brave Men Run (In My Family)". EVOL and Sister are good, yeah yeah, never actually listen to them though. After DN they almost turn into a singles band for a bit - "Dirty Boots" is mainstream and ace, "Kool Thing" is apalling, "100%" and "Youth Against Fascism" are the brilliant sound of them trying SO HARD to sell out, and then they didn't manage it and I've kind of lost track now.

Tom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

See, Tom, that's what I liked about Goo, even though it was *slated* by many "old skool SY fans" of the time. It was the sound of them *trying* desperately to sell out, but still not quite getting it right, and in the process, they created something which was very pop, yet at the same time very twisted and not quite right. Dirty saw them trying to "do grunge" which, even though they helped invent the genre, had already turned into something inherantly uninteresting in the hands of the Pearl Sham MTV massive.

masonic boom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

This thread is so depressing for me because I am thee person who can't separate Sonic Youth's image from their music and I thought maybe some smart person would be able to explain to me what's going on there, why isn't it OK for smarmy bourgeois people to make dark experimental music (ok maybe they're not even but I'm *talking* image). It makes me feel like I must be bitter or something not to get them and I'm sure that if I heard someone else do their music I'd be much more compassionate. Am I against community? I ask, because they are the sine qua non community band. This is my first problem.

I like songs like 'Silver Rocket' but the fact is, I don't believe Sonic Youth. Don't they make the kind of music you should be driven to by DESPERATION? And does anyone really believe they are desperate?

Maryann, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Search - Daydream Nation Destroy: The rest

hmmm, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Not quite a classic because I rarely (maybe once a year, if that) ever want to listen to them, but I do agree with that first post that when I start listening to them I get momentarily hooked, as if I just bought Washing Machine (which I still love, though no one else seems to) after hearing the radio edit of "Diamond Sea" back in, '95 was it? I was a late-comer but I went back and bought the reissued back catalog, and back then I liked the old stuff way better because I was indie rock and the old stuff is always better. Especially if it was on SST, which I kind of hate now, but anyway...Recent listening has caused me to reasses their output, which I will now organize in Search and Destroy fashion:

Search: "Brave Men Run", Daydream Nation, "Dirty Boots", Dirty, Washing Machine

Destroy: most of EVOL and Goo (to me, both the epitome of generic indie rock of their respective eras), Lydia Lunch, Lee's vox

larms, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

They peaked with Goo and have never been as good. WHy are they still around? SHouldn't they have gon e the way of the Pixies? Gad I hate when an Idea gets old.

-- Mike Hanley, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Despite all the disappointments since, SY were one of the few bands that really rocked my world in the mid eighties. But Daydream Nation was the beginning of the end, and I was always mildly irritated by the indie hordes who went out and bought that LP, never to realise that the 2 *classic* SY LPs were Evol & Sister. How about the Whitey Album, by Ciccone Youth (from 86? 87?) - There are some great tunes on there too (G-Force; Into the Groovey; ...). Or was I the only person who bought that LP?

Anybody seen SY live recently? I last saw them in the mid 90s and they were remarkably good ... Couldn't believe the number of people who walked out on them during the prolonged squalls of white noise & feedback. And does anyone remember the South Bank Show that was split between Daydream Nation era SY, & Spillane era John Zorn - Now *that* was entertainment ... I'm still pissed off at myself for taping over it 14 years ago.

BTW, who was their greatest drummer? Bob Bert or Steve Shelley?

I.M.Belong, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

ICA show 1982, Bert's last — he was, er, "re-auditioning" for his own job (and in fact failed the audition) — was the GREATEST SHOW I HAVE EVER SEEN EVER: like watching (and hearing) the entire matter of the universe transform its total geometry (er, which obviously I saw on John Craven's Newsround a few weeks before, so can compare, ahem). SS is obviously the more Buddy Miles- ish drummer they always wanted, but I think he makes things too easy for them.

mark s, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Used to enjoy Ciccone Youth hugely but it got lost.

If I'm anything to go by, the indie hordes knew full well that EVOL and Sister were meant to be "the *classic*" albums and avoided them for just that reason. How punky of us.

Tom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Maryanne- DESPERATION?!?!? Where did you get that from? Since when was avante guarde art noise dronerock the sound of desperation? More like the sound of the bourgousie (I cannot spell that word) escaping their upper middle class Connecticut trust fund roots. (Not that I hold that against them or anything...)

Or is this a continuation of the fallacy that punke rocke somehow equals the GENUINE WORKING CLASS MOVEMENT OF THE PEOPLE?

The most cutting edge music comes not from desperation, but from boredom. A good deal of Sonic Youth- like the two movements they helped inspire (shoegazing in the UK and grunge in the US) - had far less to do with desperation, than longing for transcendance from boredom.

And oh yes, Ciccone Youth kick ass. Especially the video- which I bet really was recorded in one of those Boardwalk "Star In Your Own Video!" type places so common in the late 80s...

masonic boom, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Being a unbearded Brit I've no idea abt the insufferability or otherwise of "all the pretentious jazzwankers who hang out at the Cooler wishing they could be Lee Renaldo" but one of the (many) things I like abt SY is that they're musicians who remain enthusiasts/collectors/propagandists - people like US, sorf of. Example: the Sonny Sharrock name-dropping on the 'Master-Dik' ep led me to search out some Sharrock albs ('Guitar' and 'Ask The Ages') that are now amongst my favourite recs - thanks Thurston! An INCLUSIVE dream of non-cool hipsterdom.

SEARCH: I'm ever-so undiscriminating abt my SY recs - like 'em all, pretty much - but I'd put in a special word for Lee Ranaldo's contributions: the group's leading experimentalist turns out to be their most conventionally romantic/moving songwriter! And I dig his singing more than Thurston or Kim's.

DESTROY: If pushed, the first alb and ' Washing Machine', the latter a sort of compromise between the pseudo-blues of 'Experimental Jet Set' (their most underrated alb) and the post-rock sprawl of 'Thousand Leaves'. And much as I like some of his discs, am puzzled as to why Jim O'Rourke has now become the fifth member of SY, and playing bass of all things. Saying that I'm looking forward to the upcoming SY/JO 'modern classical' gig at the RFH - just to see HOW they go abt it, if nothing else - and I've read somewhere that on the night they're going to be joined by John Zorn and Anthony Braxton - can this be true?

Andrew L, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Ah, Sonic Youth. Remind me to throttle people who say that the newest albums are the best. This includes the bandmembers themselves. I see Sterling's point, but I still think the later stuff is, generally speaking, one huge load of 'eh.' I freely proclaim both _DN_ and to a lesser extent _Goo_ as being the period where they got everything right -- the earlier stuff is scattershot and I'd rather listen to the Swans anyway, the later stuff is either bad pop/rock or coasting on myths in order to top up the pension funds and support the kids. Also, based on the bands Thurston signed to DGC, he's got a phenomenonally tin ear. Cell and St. Johnny, I ask you.

I tend to think that when it came to fried, weird punk/Krautrock/whatever music, Trumans Water's first few albums make for better listening these days than the bulk of SY's material. Feels fresher, somehow.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Ciccone Youth sounds like an italian pornstar

hmm, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink sounds like a fake e-mail :P

I never got into Sonic Youth because I hated all the people I knew who liked them, and because I hated what little I heard from them. I've heard a bit more lately, and file them firmly in the category of bands whose appeal I can understand, but that I'm still not very interested in. The guitar "wash" is so lethargic and half-assed, without any real intensity. Maybe I'll appreciate them when I'm thirty. Maybe it's one of those things where "you just had to be there". Maybe not.

Dave M., Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

dud, i've never heard a song i liked. they always seem to lack something, they get the cool sounds and forget the tune, get the tune and sing like cows, etc...also they make teeny-bopper videos even though they are all like 73. destroy lee renaldo's poetry notebook.

keith, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Masonic Boom - thanks for your reply. Good response. I can definitely see that the romantic idea of art as the expression of suffering is largely discredited. I think this is why Sonic Youth make me anxious; if I don't like them, does this mean that I'm maladjusted?

But do you really think Sonic Youth even seem bored? Most of their songs sound like they're supposed to be 'intense' and those that reflect a kind of ennui, such as Teenage Riot, seem just as contrived as their contrived intensity. There's no foothold - they always seem to be able to maintain control - in fact, they seem to have to maintain control even when they DON'T want to. Therefore, no possibility of identification with them. Too closed. Agree with Dave M. above.

Maryann, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Silver Session! I love that album.

Kodanshi, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

people should use the html capacities of this board more creatively. bring on the blinking rainbow text and embedded midi files.

ethan, Thursday, 7 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

scene from a new year's party:

"have you ever been listening to _washing machine_ and felt you were in the presence of a superior being?"

"when i was 17, man, all the time."

i feel only pity for all those who do not believe and more for those who are too cool to still believe.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Key phrase: "when i was 17, man, all the time."

When I was 17, playing Sister would result in the feeling of being in the presence of a higher power. So how can something like Washing Machine affect me?

masonic boom, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

A Thousand Leaves is heaven's doorbell. Granted, not everyone's into doorbells...

Wesley, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Tuneless bunch of Duds. Their abominable and embarrassing set at ATP2000 was one of the worst I've ever had the pleasure to witness.

the pinefox, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

because it's just beautiful, kate. the melodies are heavenly, the guitars come together so gently and then explode, the sentiments are so sweet, lee ranaldo actually comes through every time. it doesn't sound at all like a rehash of sister to me. and that's just it, say what you will, sy have made an effort to say something new with every record, especially compared to any other band. sure, i meant the irony -- sy pretty much traffic in adolescent thrills. but what else is rock music good for?

make no mistake, they redefined the guitar. they didn't simply dumb down branca for rock audiences (which someone could argue the velvets did re lamonte young), they added their own signature with new prepared guitar textures and tunings and ecstatic dissonant climaxes. they went from the post-pil jamming on the first ep to the mix of hardcore punk and no wave and dark noise on the first album to the industrial grind/shimmer of bad moon rising to the blissful intimate genderfuck of evol (generic??? want to argue that case?) to the rock-from-another-planet of sister. vocals and lyrics added a twisted but relevant dimension. and that's just the 80s.

ignoring daydream nation, which i've discussed elsewhere (read that thread, kate?), they continued to signify when they went mainstream. despite their numerous obvious errors, they continued to make inspiring work. dirty is not at all a watering down of any of their ideas. the instrumental breaks are constructed entirely differently than in their other work. the noise is used entirely in the service of abrasive, challenging songs. and how it is used! they have continued to display moments of genius in their post- washing machine work. they have unfortunately released a glut of product in recent years, only some of it as exciting as their best work. yet to simply dismiss the band, as it has become fashionable to do in indie circles (cf smiths backlash in uk), is just absurd. the best parts of goodbye 20th century are truly great.

pinefox: if it was anything like their montreal set last summer, it must have been divine. could you explain exactly what you dislike about public enemy, sonic youth, and iron maiden? anything beyond "tunelessness?" i am genuinely curious. i'm not even sure that tunefulness is the primary appeal of "to here knows when" or even "suffer little children."

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'm glad Sundar drunkenly stepped in and said something I had been thinking about, but which I hadn't put in a form I wanted to post. In the Sonic Youth I've heard I hear them doing different things, album to album, and usually doing them well, so it irks me slightly to hear so many people cut off the band's output after whatever point.

Josh, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Yes, I know there may be difficulties in parsing that. Try.

Josh, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

On second thought, it's a beautiful piece of prose.

Josh, Monday, 11 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
I'm currently listening to Experimental Jet Set for the first time in years. It's the first Sonic Youth record I ever heard -- the first song I ever heard was "Bull in the Heather" -- and it sounds so beautiful right now. I love that there are so many quiet moments on this record -- but pretty stuff, not pretentious spoken word or nothin'. Thurston even plays an acoustic on the first track! AMG gives it two stars -- underrated, I say.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I just wish that album didn't have "Bull in the Heather" as a lead single. Really always rubbed me the wrong way, one of Kim Gordon's worst moments. And trust me, she's had plenty of great ones! But the way she delivers the chorus...really eh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hey, as long as this is coming up again, I've become more and more convinced that the first ep is due for a critical reappraisal, especially since its influences are much more "now" than they were when it came out. Fantastic sound, Kim is restrained, cool tension and release. If they put it out today, it'd get filed under post-rock for sure. It doesn't redefine guitar rock, like what came next, but it sounds awfully good these days and really deserves a re-release.

dlp9001, Monday, 22 September 2003 03:18 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's really crazy that the self-titled EP got left behind in the whole onslaught of DGC reissues in the 90's...I remember them talking a few years ago about the idea of re-releasing it on Smells Like, but that never came to be. it's a pretty good record, kind of different from where the went w/ Confusion Is Sex, and I still can't get over the fact that Ferris Beuller's parking attendant played the drums.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 22 September 2003 05:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

DN was my fave for several years, but lately I've been listening mostly to Dirty, which rocks like a muthaf@&#$^.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Experimental Jet Set is way underrated; it's my favorite album of theirs after Sister. I like the first 3-4 songs on Daydream Nation, but then I always turn it off.

My Sonic Youth Top Five:

1. Sister
2. Bad Moon Rising
3. "Kool Thing" (only really great if you read the Kim Gordon profile of LL Cool J for Spin, which inspired it)
4. Experimental Jet Set, Trash and No Star
5. Goodbye 20th Century

I'm actually shocked nobody brought up that last one, whether pro or con. I think it's fantastic, really beautiful in parts and really ugly/beautiful in others. Much better than any "regular" album they've put out since Goo.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 22 September 2003 12:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hmm, I'm surprised by the lack of love for 'Murray Street', which IMO is their best post-Sister album..

Oh and Phil, do you know where I can find that LL profile?

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wish I did. Run a Google search; maybe some psycho SY fan has scanned it.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 22 September 2003 13:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i usually start DN at side two, and then play side three
"Hey Joni" would have to be one of my favourite songs, and it used to be at the bedinning of side three

george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Fabrice- there is plenty of love for 'murray street' (i do think its one of their very very best though I like everything I've heard, even NYC ghosts and flowers, which I hated at first...but then again i haven't heard all of their recs). There are other SY threads but i don't think george pulled them up (how very naughty of him).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:35 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I bought Murray Street solely because the horn players from Borbetomagus appear on one track. What a waste of $15.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

still the best live rock band out there, especially w/ the new o'rourke-ified lineup.

dan (dan), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'Murray street' definetely grew on me and its a good companion to 'sister'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

haha what the heck is this bag of garbage?

Herb Achelors (NickB), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:48 (three months ago) Permalink

they should sell it to primal skrim

Herb Achelors (NickB), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:50 (three months ago) Permalink

not just ANY telecaster but the Sonic Youth one (to be fair art pricing does work like this)

Like the £200 fuzzbox that doesn't work.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:55 (three months ago) Permalink

I noticed they're also selling a hand-made guitar that was given to them by a fan (the aluminum one). Kind of a prickish thing to do, imo.

nickn, Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:32 (three months ago) Permalink

happy to blame thurston for that tbh

la bébé du nom-nom (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:33 (three months ago) Permalink

Well there is only one bass on sale - I bet you that's Thurston's too.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 18:46 (three months ago) Permalink

^^I think you're right. I first saw them live in 2001 and swear I got pictures (since lost in a move) of him playing that blue P-Bass.

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:30 (three months ago) Permalink

all that stuff is just collecting dust, I assume, they may as well get a little cash. that said, I don't know who buys this kinda thing. rich tech bros who also love noise?

Will the distressed Jazzmaster with two bass strings replace the shiny, unplayed Paul Reed Smiths on CEO office walls?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 1 November 2018 20:52 (three months ago) Permalink

Maybe the CEO of Alcaliber

Evan, Thursday, 1 November 2018 21:17 (three months ago) Permalink

Haha. All the guitars' condition is graded between "fair" and "not functioning"

Duke, Thursday, 1 November 2018 22:56 (three months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Lee takes you on a tour of the Sonic Youth warehouse in Hoboken

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 16 November 2018 04:00 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

My favorite Kim songs. I don't see "Sweet Shine" mentioned enough.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 January 2019 03:29 (one month ago) Permalink

otm re: sweet shine

i'd have brother james (at #1!) and making the nature scene on my list (if those qualify as kim songs)

rip van wanko, Friday, 4 January 2019 04:43 (one month ago) Permalink

Kool Thing, Tunic and Shadow of a Doubt are all amazing, hard to choose between them

Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 04:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Putting in a good word for "Sympathy for the Strawberry"

cwkiii, Friday, 4 January 2019 05:38 (one month ago) Permalink


Karl Malone, Friday, 4 January 2019 05:41 (one month ago) Permalink

Washing Machine should be on there, i love love love that song.

I'd also say Bull in the Heather is too low cuz I'm a basic bitch.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 4 January 2019 13:41 (one month ago) Permalink


Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 January 2019 13:53 (one month ago) Permalink

My first encounter with Sonic Youth was seeing the video for "Shadow of a Doubt" on Snub TV, which came on *after* Night Flight (so, maybe 2 AM?)...

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 4 January 2019 13:59 (one month ago) Permalink

Realizing lately that 'Sweet Shine' is maybe my favorite SY song full stop. And I love a lot of the skronky noisy shit a whole lot.

The Mandal Brah Set (Old Lunch), Friday, 4 January 2019 15:54 (one month ago) Permalink

I like a lot of Kim G songs but the screaming on the "wooh! I'm coming home" bit in that song really doesn't work for me, especially with the soft musical track. I like "Bull in the Heather" and "Skink" a lot, though.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Friday, 4 January 2019 16:15 (one month ago) Permalink

I just drove past a busy strip of shops in Arusha Tanzania and there was a woman wearing, among other things, a Sonic Youth shirt.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 January 2019 16:28 (one month ago) Permalink

it would be more punk rock if it was just the shirt

rip van wanko, Friday, 4 January 2019 16:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Sweet Shine is such a brilliant, brilliant song

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:36 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah it's def one of my favorites

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 January 2019 19:04 (one month ago) Permalink

My CD of EJT&NS had a skip right in the middle of Sweet Shine. Was so annoying. My vinyl copy is fine, though.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 4 January 2019 20:31 (one month ago) Permalink

"Tunic" (okay, maybe "Disappearer" too) was what inspired me to buy a SY record as a wee bairn, so...w00t!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 4 January 2019 22:17 (one month ago) Permalink

speaking of Sonic Youth shirts, one made an appearance in Apple's recent holiday ad (there's also a Dirty Projectors poster on the wall)

jaymc, Friday, 4 January 2019 22:48 (one month ago) Permalink

(and a DFA sticker on the laptop, though it's hard to see in that screengrab)

jaymc, Friday, 4 January 2019 22:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Expressway To Yr Skull, Teenage Riot, yes

Dan S, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:03 (one month ago) Permalink

(also the first time I heard Kim's intro to Teenage Riot was a moment I will never forget)

Dan S, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:08 (one month ago) Permalink

Their finest moment

calstars, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:17 (one month ago) Permalink

Unmade Bed is an overlooked Thurston jam imo

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Pink Steam and Rain On Tin are two deep-cut favourites on this list

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:19 (one month ago) Permalink

Peace Attack another great one from the later years.

Gavin, Leeds, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 11:40 (one month ago) Permalink

(also the first time I heard Kim's intro to Teenage Riot was a moment I will never forget)

― Dan S, Monday, January 7, 2019 9:08 PM

same -- goose pimples

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 12:13 (one month ago) Permalink

Me too! Not ashamed to admit I first heard it on Eddie Vedder's Self-Pollution Radio. Okay, maybe a little ashamed.

Hootie and the Banshees (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 13:11 (one month ago) Permalink

I will credit Rolling Stone. In 1988 when Daydream Nation first came out, they gave it a rave review and made it sound delightful to impressionable teenagers like myself who were otherwise not hip to the scene.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:53 (one month ago) Permalink

Early 90s guitar mags for me, I think.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:56 (one month ago) Permalink

Also how I found out about MBV.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:56 (one month ago) Permalink

Really good Kim list Alfred, love most of those (and like all)! Here are a few I haven't seen others throw out that I think are pretty excellent Kim songs and may make my list on any given day:

Massage the History > The Eternal
Shaking Hell > Confusion is Sex
Starpower > Evol
'Cross the Breeze > Daydream Nation

I really love that pretty much any attempt to list Sonic Youth songs brings drastically different results. I will say that "'Cross the Breeze" gets special nods for the way the intro acts on my animal brain. I love it to death and have trouble not turning it up extremely loudly every time I play it. "Starpower" probably the one that would cut first if I had to make a cut.

grandavis, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:13 (one month ago) Permalink

Watching 1991 atm. (I had a voucher - haven't watched it since I had it on video).

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:19 (one month ago) Permalink

Everyone is unbearable.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:19 (one month ago) Permalink

the dance

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:25 (one month ago) Permalink

the dance

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:25 (one month ago) Permalink

the sucky wucky dance

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:25 (one month ago) Permalink

i need this elixir. this elixir of... skinhead violence.

circa1916, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:27 (one month ago) Permalink

There's a bit on the extras where Thurston yells "Courtney Love is in love with the singer from Smashing Pumpkins".

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:30 (one month ago) Permalink


rip van wanko, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 21:56 (one month ago) Permalink

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