Metal Box -- does anyone hate this as much as me?

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O TEH ROCK CANON COLORED GLASSIZ

I think this should be your new screen name, Donut. Either that or a band name.

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, but Dan, you claimed that you "explained at length" your dislike (that was after you pretty much quoted and agreed with people for a long period, but the thread was pretty long, so hey...).

I think "at length" and "to a great extent" are the same. Tell us Dan Perry, what draws you to the (metal) box repeatedly despite your disinterest!

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

These days Metal Box makes for dissonant ambient music when I'm making pasta, although it remains a touchstone. I like "Rise" and "Disappointed" best these days.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I explained "at length" three years ago. The main reason I'm here right now is because I think it's funny that 75% of the time this thread bubbles to the top of New Answers, it's because someone is crusading to make me admit that I really should like this album, or at least have a desire to listen to it again for re-evaluation.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

In the Big Rock Canon Mountain, all the crits are rockist punks
And swooning praise for Johnny Lydon comes dripping from their mouths

(to the tune of "Big Rock Candy Mountain")

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Everyone should lay off Dan. Ask him instead what he thinks of "Domino Dancing."

Or John Lydon covering "Domino Dancing."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

BTW Dan, I don't think you should listen to it again, and I don't think you'll ever appreciate it. I'm just here to lodge the minority opinion on this thread. And to score points with Momus.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 14 July 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The minority position is Dan's and the thread-starter's surely?

J (Jay), Friday, 14 July 2006 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

just fucking listen to Poptones. If you don't like it, come back, say "I don't like it" and lock the thread.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 15 July 2006 03:43 (seventeen years ago) link

just fucking listen to Four Enclosed Walls or Banging The Door (from Flowers) and all should realize where every 80s college rock or industrial band got their drum sounds from.

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Saturday, 15 July 2006 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link

(ok, not EVERY 80s band, but enough of 'em)

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Saturday, 15 July 2006 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait a minute, let me get this straight - Alfred cooks pasta while listening to Metal Box? Has he decided that Metal Box is the ultimate music to cook pasta to or...?

I remember making cookies once when I first heard and went crazy over Jane's Addiction "Mountain Song".

Lenny Koggins (Bimble...), Saturday, 15 July 2006 07:42 (seventeen years ago) link

And the generic album is splendid listening for cleaning the sink.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 15 July 2006 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

"FAREWELL!! My fur clogg-ed pipes!!!!"

mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 15 July 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
anyone know much about this mysterious 12" wot I just got? the bass on the mix of 'swan lake' is immense. might not be one for dan though, 'albatross' is on the other side!

genital hyphys (haitch), Monday, 4 September 2006 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Woah! Want one!

All gone!

Woah!

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Is this the ten quid Joe Meek box set in Fopp again?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

noh!

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Right, judging by the excerpts, Swan Lake is the same as on the Metal Box album, and Albatross has something else overlaid, some echo effects on the vocals, and is damn near unlistenable. Sure, it's a low grade mp3 but if anyone has it better and can say more...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 07:16 (seventeen years ago) link

ok have given both sides a proper listen. 'swan lake' definitely ain't the album cut - or, the first three minutes might be, but it stretches out for over nine minutes in full. (lydon near the end: "well that's about enough for anybody innit.") way longer than any other version I've heard.

the 'albatross' version has phasing all over the drums and what might be a slowed-down melodica. it also has lydon squawking "i am an albatross!" in parts. an... acquired taste.

genital hyphys (haitch), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

So, how do I?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm...VERY tantalizing description, that.

M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Found one. It'll be here v.shortly.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

and now it's here.

WOW! Hooray! one of my favourite tracks of all time is now 10 minutes long! It's a little off the 'perfect hi-fi experience' but it's well worth getting and THANKS! for telling me about it.

Mind you, that 'remix' of Albatross is as I said above. It has an 'augustus pablo' style melodica, and someone squawking as per "fodderstompf" over the top. Whatever they are saying you can't tell as it's all drowned out by the melodica. And, suspiciously, the track fades out at exactly the same point as the album track. Is it a fake? Well, if it had been mixed better, it might have been interesting. But then it might have showed up the fakery, if it is such.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 11 September 2006 11:57 (seventeen years ago) link

YSI

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
There's a bunch of talk about the American Bandstand "Poptones" performance. Here's the video:

American Bandstand - "Poptones"

Zachary Scott (Zach S), Friday, 13 October 2006 01:43 (seventeen years ago) link

More on that 12"...

It seems both tracks have been nicked from the "Best of British £1 notes" DVD of John Lydon.

Apparently, it has three 'monitor mixes' of MB tracks. So, go there.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 06:36 (seventeen years ago) link

That American Bandstand clip just blew my mind!

Radio Free Albemuth (DocMartensBoots), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

too bad the clip doesn't include the next number, "Careering." The kids go nuts and take over the drum kit, all caught by the room mics. Total TV bedlam.

Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Bloody hell that was magic.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I've got a bootleg DVD comp with a ton of PiL video appearances. Maybe I'll try to upload the AB "Careering".

I've got an audio recording of the Ritz riot in '81, too.
http://www.furious.com/Perfect/pil.html

Ah, those were the days!

*coughs, totters away on cane*

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 13 October 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

listening to this for first time in six or seven years: ye gods. what kind of mood do you have to be in to enjoy this?

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 15 May 2009 09:22 (fourteen years ago) link

A challopy one.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 15 May 2009 09:27 (fourteen years ago) link

j/k I like this album

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 15 May 2009 09:27 (fourteen years ago) link

In addition to a lot of this being about Malcolm McLaren, just as much or more is about his mum dying, which i don't think got mentioned

Niles Caulder, Saturday, 16 May 2009 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link

"what kind of mood do you have to be in to enjoy this?"

UK release 1979. Mood music.

Soukesian, Saturday, 16 May 2009 07:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not sure I can define the mood, but I spent a lot of time in it when I was in my early twenties, certainly.

a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link

"Stoned and angry" might come close?

a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link

It's a lot more mellow than it's sometimes prtrayed though.

Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Sorry, anything that has Poptones and Death Disco/Swan Lake on it is never going to be mellow in my book.

a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:13 (fourteen years ago) link

it does have other tracks on it

Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, but those rather dominate the mood.

a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:59 (fourteen years ago) link

(YMMV, of course. But woah, I'm never coming round your gaff to chill out.)

a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 11:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Despair and anger. Very big in 1979 - see also Joy Division.

Soukesian, Saturday, 16 May 2009 11:29 (fourteen years ago) link

This album is fun.

SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Saturday, 16 May 2009 11:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Despair and anger. Very big in 1979 - see also Joy Division.

and Fear of Music...and...

dan selzer, Saturday, 16 May 2009 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

WTF I can't believe you haters

akm, Saturday, 16 May 2009 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

That clip is making me rethink life in a good way.

Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 16 May 2009 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Boy, Dick Clark sure yanked down that American Bandstand clip in a hurry. Bummer.

How much of the Lydon bio deals with the PIL era? Because the idea of reading yet another history of the Pistols or about anything after Flowers of Romance hardly seems worth the effort.

Speaking of, Metal Box is kinda screaming for the 33 1/3 treatement, no?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 16 May 2009 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link


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