Metal Box -- does anyone hate this as much as me?

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Inspired by the plethora of PiL-related articles cropping up lately in print and on the web, I finally got around to listening to the entirety of Metal Box.

I've got to say, I hate it.

Actually, that's not entirely true. If you were to erase Lydon and Levene's contributions entirely from the master tapes, it would probably be a pretty good album.

John Lydon: Tuneless, rhythmless wanker who clearly makes no effort to sing anything that even remotely relates to what the musicians are doing. He's ignoring them.

Keith Levene: Total hack. Most of the album is spent farting around and trying to get a handle on what Jah Wobble is (rather solidly) playing. But he can't. The only things he doesn't butcher on Metal Box are his first bar of playing on "Poptones" and the entirety of "Socialist" (on which I don't think there is any guitar at all). Compared to a post-punk contemporary like Bernard Sumner, Levene's playing is utterly infantile.

If you need any confirmation, just listen to "Bad Baby". Anyone with any pride in their musical ability would have taken the time to write a keyboard part that made some sense. Groups also operating around the same time (This Heat for example) managed to use atonality in an intelligent yet startling way, but this isn't "contrast", this isn't "expressionism", this isn't "dub influence". This is crap.

Uh ... anybody else share my sentiments?

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

No. Not me, anyways.

hstencil, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Based on the one time I heard this album 16 years ago, yes.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I hated it at first, but I've come around. It is beautifully mastered for one thing.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

no. its a good rec. Lydon is a fantastic singer (he's never made ANY effort to sing, that's why he's great). Levene came up with some outstanding riffs (spercially in the first half, as you say his guitar doesn't feauture as much in the second half).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe for another thread (and not just directed at Dan, but inspired by his comments): ever hear something once a long time ago and hate it, then hear it again and change your mind?

hstencil, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Lydon is a fantastic singer (he's never made ANY effort to sing, that's why he's great).

Statements like these drive me up the wall. HE IS NOT A FANTASTIC SINGER. HE CANNOT SING. FACT. I mean, the generic album and bits of _Happy?_ are fantastic, but that doesn't mean that Lydon can or ever could sing. There is a special Hell being prepared for me where John Lydon howls the entire Bryan Adams catalogue at me for all eternity.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

hehehe...I thought it would drive you up the wall.

OK he isn't a singer. I still take him over most of what's available.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

  • I hated it at first, but I've come around. It is beautifully mastered for one thing.
  • mmm, true that. and the bass and drums sound FANTASTIC.

    fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

    I think this is the classic example of a record that you hate at first but then reconsider at some point down the road. I've talked to a lot of people who hated it when they heard it but who now find it indispensible; I consider myself in that group. At first it just sounded like an untalented racket, but the more I listen the more I've come to appreciate Levene's jagged riffage and the whole sense of rhythm throughout. Yeah, Lydon can't sing particularly well, but that's not what he's trying to accomplish. It's definitely still a gotta-be-in-the-mood-for-it kind of record, but I do get into that mood every so often.

    Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

    I really liked it when i first heard it, & i still like it a lot 9i must get pils albums on cd i think) i don't think it's as good as the 1st one. The one i really don't like by pil (apart from the later hackwork) is "flowers of romance" apart from the single, which is one of my favourite rekkids ever (k levene synthesiser solo in "flowers of romance" = k-rad) anyway, i disagree! right?!

    Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

    well I liked it at first as well.

    Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link

    There's a reason that record's hailed as genius by everyone: most people don't understand it, and those who do say it's genius.

    But really, it is genius. Levene's riff on "Poptones" is incredible! It goes around and around and around...forever! And ever! And EVER! And listen to Lydon's lyrics!! They rule!!

    Not easy listening, though. But Levene is hardly wanking. He, even more so than Wobble, is the anchor of that band. Thus, the suckage following his departure...

    Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

    I don't hate it. But I do think it's way overrated. 12 inch format is not actually very radical. Lyrics are your usual consumer-society-is-soulless stuff. Albatross is turgid (people always go on about what a challenging intro to the album it is--yes, putting a tedious moan up front is challenging, I suppose). It's not really very dubby, basslines aside.

    But I do like about half the songs. Poptones is great.

    Ben Williams, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

    What is a "radical" format, then? A smashed-then-glued-back-together record?

    hstencil, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

    It's proudly displayed (well, displayed) on my bookcase, but I swear it's been well over 10 years since I've played it. I do remember liking it, although isn't it meant to be boring and/or annoying in places? Also it plays at 45 rpm, doesn't it? I remember reading somewhere that it was funny/cool that it was designed so that you couldn't get the records out without scratching them, but of course you can just turn the package upside down and let them fall out (not at a great height, of course).

    Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

    The 12 inch format has much to do with why the record sounds so nice. It is no doubt not "dubby" as a King Tubby dub might be, but it is inconceivable without the precedent of dub.

    Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

    I don't think there are any radical formats. But critics usually talk about the original 12 inch release as if it was a revolutionary challenge to the dictatorial hegemony of LPs, a whole new way of listening etc.

    Ben Williams, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

    What does that have to do with whether you like it or not?

    hstencil, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link

    (people always go on about what a challenging intro to the album it is--yes, putting a tedious moan up front is challenging, I suppose)

    I think this is my favorite quote of the thread.

    Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

    (Perhaps it felt like that at the time. But I wasn't there, unfortunately.)

    It doesn't have anything to do with whether I like it or not. It has to do with being one of the ways in which the record is overrated.

    Ben Williams, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

    What does that have to do with whether you like it or not?

    It may not have an effect on how you like the music, but it does affect you you like the *album*. For instance, I'd hate the new Björk "Family Tree" because of its format. Actually, if I liked Metal Box a lot and wanted to play it often, I'd be annoyed at having to flip the records so much. But the fact that it comes in an actual metal box makes me like it again. Packaging does bleed over into how I perceive the album.

    Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

    A "radical format" for a rekkid is that old skids single - i forget thee title. It was in white vinyl, and had something like "this record has a neat gimmick! you'll like it!" on thee sleeve stix0r. When you tipped the single out of the sleeve into your hand, you diskovered that they'd made thee edges razor-sharp, and yuo cut yer fingers on it. It wasn't as good as "metal b0x" tho'.

    Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

    It's sort've become a post-punk Rosetta Stone of sorts (and I don't mean the lamentable goth band) that is required listening for anyone seeking information about the genre/era, but that doesn't mean it makes for the easiest nor most enjoyable listening experience. I'm glad I own it, I'm glad it exists, it's *INTERESTING* (in much the same way watching a disquieting snuff film or autopsy in interesting), but I'd be fibbing if I said I played it a lot or that it changed my life. I tend to prefer a bit more melodic cohesion in my post-punk, thank you very much, ala Gang of Four, early Killing Joke, Joy Division, et al.

    Still...."Poptones" and "Swanlake" are uproariously, gloriously ugly in the most intriguing way.

    Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

    I think that's a good summary. About from the bit about Killing Joke hahah.

    Ben Williams, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link

    I wouldn't quite put it at the level of watching a snuff film!

    Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link

    Well, perhaps the snuff film analogy is a bit extreme, but it's still pretty rough.


    Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

    Yeah, I never thought I'd say this but (gulp)

    Alex in NYC is OTM. (snuff films and Killing Joke (same difference) aside)

    The good thing about its rosetta-status is that people keep writing about it, and when one of the writings-up is good (as today) it prods me back into listening to it and enjoying the bits I do enjoy.

    Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

    I'd just like to say for the record that I'm not a big fan of snuff films. There, glad we cleared that up.

    Killing Joke, however, I do tend to like quite a bit. But....you knew that.

    Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

    But critics usually talk about the original 12 inch release as if it was a revolutionary challenge to the dictatorial hegemony of LPs, a whole new way of listening etc.

    This is funny then, because supposedly the original idea for Led Zeppelin IV was to release the 8 tracks as 4 ep's. (it's true - read all about it in "Hammer of the Gods"!)

    Anyway, I don't have the box I only have Second Edition, and for me it's a stone classic. Best bass sound ever. In fact, I think I once blew out a woofer on a cheap Cerwin-Vega speaker cranking this thing up.

    Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:07 (eighteen years ago) link

    Want to argue about something? Try the Wire's claim that Tortoise's Millions Now Living Will Never Die is Gen X's Metal Box.

    Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

    I think I love this album for exactly the reasons f.o.s. hates it. The rhythm section isn't really accomplishing much beyond hack dub, but the Lydon/Levene squall up top is genius.

    Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

    It's mainly a personal association game from there. I think seeing the album (Second Edition, in this case) shown by Dick Clark in front of many, many people that fateful May weekend in 1980 on "American Bandstand" makes the whole concept of that record more enjoyable to me. Otherwise, Sean and/or Alex in NYC is OTM.

    (Yes, I have that American Bandstand performance on tape. No, I don't have time to dub it for anyone yet. Yes, I do plan on getting a video card and digitizing it someday. Yes, the possibility of, uh,... some HORRIBLE NET THIEF appropriating it for peer-to-peer sharing is possible as well.)

    donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

    Wow, what track did they perform on "American Bandstand"?

    Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

    I'm completely with Kris. Keith Levene's playing is the best thing on the record. The Sumner comparison is very silly.

    dan (dan), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

    I read about that American Bandstand performance in CREEM! There was a photo! Lydon was wearing a white suit, no?

    Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

    I heart John Lydon.

    Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link


    ........

    woah, salmon, how much time was there between your two posts?

    t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 9 January 2003 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

    What the hell did they play on American Bandstand? And did the kids dance?

    David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 9 January 2003 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

    Kris, what do you like about the "Lydon/Levene squall"? I'm especially curious about the Lydon end of it.

    I'm willing to be convinced but I basically agree with most of what Ben and Alex are saying. Aside from side 2, especially "Poptones" which is great, I find it a fairly tiring and not-particularly-rewarding listen these days. (I hadn't played it in a long time but I just put it on because of this thread. It made me want to put on New Order afterwards, whom I've also not listened to in a long time. I'm liking them though.) I never really got the vocals. Is the sound quality on Metal Box better than that on Second Edition? Otherwise, I don't even see what's good about the mastering.

    sundar subramanian (sundar), Thursday, 9 January 2003 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

    On their American Bandstand appearance they played "Poptones" and it was classic!. I still remember the kids attempting to try to dance to that with embarrassed smirks on their all-american faces.. the story goes, Lydon and co. kept their suits covered in mothballs for an entire week in order to "enhance" their appearance. Definately right up there with PIL's repulsing of Tom Snyder on the old Tomorrow show. Lydon bumming cigarettes off of Snyder is a hoot! Oh yeah, Metal Box/Second Edition deserves any acclaim it has recieved and will contnue to recieve.

    Jeff K (jeff k), Thursday, 9 January 2003 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

    Lydon and co. kept their suits covered in mothballs for an entire week in order to "enhance" their appearance

    Wait, they did this in order to *smell funny*?

    Sean (Sean), Thursday, 9 January 2003 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

    i had a friend get it out on me and put it on and ("those were the days ..") go on about being 20 and never having heard anything like it and having wondered what new music would emerge following this punk coup thing anyway, and "we all used to dance to this".
    i always thought of the whole PiL experience as what happened between one scene of "new music" and the next. reading the Levene interviews about how subversive they thought they were being and how Wobble had to be taught to play bass as part of the whole process reinforced for me the feeling i had that metal box was an art joke.
    the more publicly spirited PiL fans left unimaginative graffiti in obvious places and would wreck your house if you were unlucky enough to have your party gate-crashed by them (so you learnt not to play it at parties).
    people like my friend did not sniff glue but admitted they got sick of the record eventually. i think the way it was musically put together fooled music fans that thought that it sounded deliberately wrong, deliberately opposite. to me it always sounded musically retarded, naive, "dumb" as opposed to "different", and coupled with the packaging and 12" "sound" it always seemed to be just another stunt from lydon and co. and i suppose the lyrics took a couple of spins to hear properly.
    as an important moment in the evolution of post-punk rock isn't it an item you make a point of _not_ buying ?

    george gosset (gegoss), Thursday, 9 January 2003 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

    Tom + Alex R rite about this. Don't listen to it much, i love some of it, it definitely has a charm.

    naked as sin (naked as sin), Thursday, 9 January 2003 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

    "Poptones" and "Death Disco" on American Bandstand, I think. The truly classic moments aren't just Lydon giving up pretending to sing along and getting increasingly weird, but also the glorious conclusion where he redefines nose-drop chic.

    I have long said that if Mark David Chapman had gotten the last names wrong and killed John Lydon in 1980, he would now be the most deified dead rock star EVER. Except for maybe Elvis.

    Try the Wire's claim that Tortoise's Millions Now Living Will Never Die is Gen X's Metal Box.

    EURGH. That's not damning with faint praise, that's abuse that makes all the hatred on this thread for Metal Box seem like warm cuddles.

    Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 January 2003 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link

    Sundar, my understanding is that the sound quality of Metal Box is far superior to Second Edition. Sometimes I find it hard to tell, myself. Lousy headphones.

    Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 9 January 2003 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

    Is there a CD edition of this and if so, how does it sound? I'm not sure I want to play the hell out of my vinyl copy any more.

    nickn (nickn), Thursday, 9 January 2003 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

    yeah, there's a cd edition, its in a metal tin. I've never actually compared the sound...

    gaz (gaz), Thursday, 9 January 2003 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

    Second Edition is the CD, it's all I've got, but I like it, or I like the idea of liking it, and that's all you need sometimes. I still think Flowers of Romance is better. I can't give much of a reason for liking this band except that these guys are making electronic music & not being futuristic/optimistic about it, they sound like they're living in the present and wow, the early 80s must have been gloomy.

    daria g, Thursday, 9 January 2003 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link

    I like the idea of Flowers of Romance more but I still play Second Ed ALL THE TIME esp. when I'm having one of those inchoate fuck-the-world (but I don't know why/how to go about it) incredible-burden-on-shoulders moments. I also think G. Marcus's writing on it in Ranters & Crowd Pleasers is one of the four or five best things he's ever written.

    M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 9 January 2003 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link

    and now it's here.

    WOW! Hooray! one of my favourite tracks of all time is now 10 minutes long! It's a little off the 'perfect hi-fi experience' but it's well worth getting and THANKS! for telling me about it.

    Mind you, that 'remix' of Albatross is as I said above. It has an 'augustus pablo' style melodica, and someone squawking as per "fodderstompf" over the top. Whatever they are saying you can't tell as it's all drowned out by the melodica. And, suspiciously, the track fades out at exactly the same point as the album track. Is it a fake? Well, if it had been mixed better, it might have been interesting. But then it might have showed up the fakery, if it is such.

    mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 11 September 2006 11:57 (fifteen years ago) link

    YSI

    a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 12:03 (fifteen years ago) link

    one month passes...
    There's a bunch of talk about the American Bandstand "Poptones" performance. Here's the video:

    American Bandstand - "Poptones"

    Zachary Scott (Zach S), Friday, 13 October 2006 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link

    More on that 12"...

    It seems both tracks have been nicked from the "Best of British £1 notes" DVD of John Lydon.

    Apparently, it has three 'monitor mixes' of MB tracks. So, go there.

    mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 06:36 (fifteen years ago) link

    That American Bandstand clip just blew my mind!

    Radio Free Albemuth (DocMartensBoots), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link

    too bad the clip doesn't include the next number, "Careering." The kids go nuts and take over the drum kit, all caught by the room mics. Total TV bedlam.

    Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link

    Bloody hell that was magic.

    Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link

    I've got a bootleg DVD comp with a ton of PiL video appearances. Maybe I'll try to upload the AB "Careering".

    I've got an audio recording of the Ritz riot in '81, too.
    http://www.furious.com/Perfect/pil.html

    Ah, those were the days!

    *coughs, totters away on cane*

    Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 13 October 2006 16:18 (fifteen years ago) link

    two years pass...

    listening to this for first time in six or seven years: ye gods. what kind of mood do you have to be in to enjoy this?

    FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 15 May 2009 09:22 (twelve years ago) link

    A challopy one.

    I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 15 May 2009 09:27 (twelve years ago) link

    j/k I like this album

    I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 15 May 2009 09:27 (twelve years ago) link

    In addition to a lot of this being about Malcolm McLaren, just as much or more is about his mum dying, which i don't think got mentioned

    Niles Caulder, Saturday, 16 May 2009 03:14 (twelve years ago) link

    "what kind of mood do you have to be in to enjoy this?"

    UK release 1979. Mood music.

    Soukesian, Saturday, 16 May 2009 07:32 (twelve years ago) link

    I'm not sure I can define the mood, but I spent a lot of time in it when I was in my early twenties, certainly.

    a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:01 (twelve years ago) link

    "Stoned and angry" might come close?

    a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:01 (twelve years ago) link

    It's a lot more mellow than it's sometimes prtrayed though.

    Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:07 (twelve years ago) link

    Sorry, anything that has Poptones and Death Disco/Swan Lake on it is never going to be mellow in my book.

    a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:13 (twelve years ago) link

    it does have other tracks on it

    Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:25 (twelve years ago) link

    Yes, but those rather dominate the mood.

    a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 10:59 (twelve years ago) link

    (YMMV, of course. But woah, I'm never coming round your gaff to chill out.)

    a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 16 May 2009 11:00 (twelve years ago) link

    Despair and anger. Very big in 1979 - see also Joy Division.

    Soukesian, Saturday, 16 May 2009 11:29 (twelve years ago) link

    This album is fun.

    SQUIRREL WITH A PEOPLE FACE (╓abies), Saturday, 16 May 2009 11:56 (twelve years ago) link

    Despair and anger. Very big in 1979 - see also Joy Division.

    and Fear of Music...and...

    dan selzer, Saturday, 16 May 2009 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

    WTF I can't believe you haters

    akm, Saturday, 16 May 2009 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

    That clip is making me rethink life in a good way.

    Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 16 May 2009 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

    Boy, Dick Clark sure yanked down that American Bandstand clip in a hurry. Bummer.

    How much of the Lydon bio deals with the PIL era? Because the idea of reading yet another history of the Pistols or about anything after Flowers of Romance hardly seems worth the effort.

    Speaking of, Metal Box is kinda screaming for the 33 1/3 treatement, no?

    If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 16 May 2009 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

    That clip is making me rethink life in a good way.

    ― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 16 May 2009 17:51 (4 hours ago) Bookmark

    I agree, but I can't believe it's not butter

    Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 16 May 2009 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

    i read lydon's book a long time ago and IIRC he doesn't discuss the PIL era at all.

    (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 16 May 2009 21:26 (twelve years ago) link

    Typical. There's a book about PIL but it's not available in the states. Maybe one of these days I'll splurge and buy it at the import price.

    If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 16 May 2009 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

    NO BLACKS, NO IRISH, NO DOGS does not cover the PIL era.

    I shouldn't still get wound up about people hating the Pistols, because the records were meant to be hated, but face it, no Pistols, no PIL. No Punk, no post-punk. I've recently been bingeing on the various Mark E. Smith bios, and one of them describes him listening to "Holidays in the Sun" obsessively. But Mark is just another "Tuneless, rhythmless wanker who clearly makes no effort to sing anything that even remotely relates to what the musicians are doing".

    Yes. I need to hear that sometimes.

    Soukesian, Saturday, 16 May 2009 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

    one year passes...

    OK, this thread then.

    I was running through the PIL album pages on Wikip, and noticed that when recording one track for Metal Box, the thought went round "yeah, it sounds like The Doors, dunnit?" to general approval.

    So, officially, "Albatross" is their sort-of take on "Riders on the Storm"

    Mark G, Thursday, 3 March 2011 09:38 (ten years ago) link

    Metal Box is hard to love, but then PiL never really wanted anyone to send flowers. Can't agree with this general slagging of Levene, however. The guitar on the first changed something fundamental about how guitars sounded, distorted but also shiny and clean. It was something genuinely new and exciting. Loads of people ripped it off, or went trad in opposition to the trend. You could make similar arguments for Poptones.

    Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:09 (ten years ago) link

    should read "guitar on the first single changed somehthing etc.."

    Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:10 (ten years ago) link

    Nobody is slagging Levene on the basis of his Guitar playing.

    Mark G, Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:25 (ten years ago) link

    Still, now I have to sing it:

    Riders on the storm
    riders on the storm
    getting riid of the al-ba-trossssss

    Mark G, Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:29 (ten years ago) link

    The OP most certainly was!

    rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 March 2011 17:35 (ten years ago) link

    I didn't mean you Mark. I had been reading early threads.

    Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:44 (ten years ago) link

    I mean posts. Brain barely functioning tonight

    Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:44 (ten years ago) link

    WTF I can't believe you haters

    ― akm, Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:23 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

    ☠-post (latebloomer), Thursday, 3 March 2011 21:48 (ten years ago) link

    this album is perfect.

    also, for how "difficult" it's supposed to be i remember thinking it was poppier than i expected when i first heard it.

    it's basically a ramones record compared to flowers of romance.

    gr8080 sings the blues (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:12 (ten years ago) link

    seriously

    ☠-post (latebloomer), Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:13 (ten years ago) link

    Kind of a downer, though.
    I have to be in the mood for it.

    Trip Maker, Thursday, 3 March 2011 22:14 (ten years ago) link

    yeah, not really getting this thread. i've never thought it was that super difficult of a record. loved it the first time i heard it as a teenager and still do.

    circa1916, Thursday, 3 March 2011 23:19 (ten years ago) link

    ten years pass...

    let the take flood down!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmfzuAd_u2E

    mark s, Sunday, 21 November 2021 12:07 (one week ago) link

    s/b takes ffs never mind

    mark s, Sunday, 21 November 2021 12:07 (one week ago) link

    A take is raining, across the border.

    feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Sunday, 21 November 2021 13:26 (one week ago) link

    thought this had been revived for this

    As I’ve commented before -j can’t stand some of the trivial puerile shit that you see on Twitter . I mean I co wrote metal box-that’s heavy shit, but whatever , I often ponder -what’s better ? Munchies or Rollo ? The crunchy biscuit base of the former or the classic chewy latter pic.twitter.com/a6r6exdCn5

    — Jah Wobble (@realjahwobble) November 20, 2021

    nashwan, Sunday, 21 November 2021 16:38 (one week ago) link

    ive got a mind to buy the best, before the rest

    (maltesers)

    mark s, Sunday, 21 November 2021 17:28 (one week ago) link

    pil stinks.

    ian, Sunday, 21 November 2021 18:33 (one week ago) link


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