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I used to find 'em top-notch, but then began to hate their naff asses after a while. Yet going back to "badmotorfinger" and (parts of) "superunknown" I realise that they were fairly fine. Granted, it's unfortunate that Chris Cornell has joined Rage Against The Machine, but whaddya gonna do? So, Soundgarden: ass-whoopin' or just ass?

Dave, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

SG is our generation's Led Zeppelin, which is a way of saying that they had their time in our childhood -- like The Doors or Zep themselves. For some reason they hold up better for me than either of those two bands tho... go figger.

JM, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I have precisely one Soundgarden moment that I can stand, and that's "Jesus Christ Pose", which strikes the perfect balance between bludgeoning riffola and moderation of Cornell's infernal shrieking. Otherwise, listening to Cornell's uvula flapping was not my idea of a good time, and the music just didn't compensate.

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Granted, it's unfortunate that Chris Cornell has joined Rage Against The Machine...

What? Was the limp-pop direction of his first (& only) solo joint failing him so much that he's reverting back to his Badmotorfinger / Louder than Love uber-aggression stance?

It's a shame - both Superunknown & Down on the Upside had some good tunes on them. And, yes, that's TUNES. I'm partial to those two albums, but that's not to slight Badmotorfinger at all. Their stuff preceeding that is catch-as-catch-can - especially Ultramega OK, which only lives up to the latter half of its title. (I know Maura would vehemently disagree, though. Or, at the very least, respectfully refute.)

Personally, I think Soundgarden was better @ going "pop" than being "grunge". If you want Sabbath-esque guitar leads & thud-thud- thud, all you need is the Melvins. All you should want is the Melvins. All there is is the Melvins, really. (Granted, King Buzzo can't wail like a Mecha-Christina (post-testosterone shots, mind you), but SG's excessive use of that schtick didn't do Chris any favors.)

By the way - despite my developed aversion for all things Classic & Rock, I'd have to say that Led Zeppelin III and IV are nearly unassailable. Lumping the Zep in with the Doors is a damn shame.

David Raposa, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Black HOle Sun was a bad song until the Moog Cookbook got a hold of it. Otherwise SOundgarden are pure trash. i hate them.

Mike Hanley, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm actually sort of looking forward to Cornell fronting Rage, freeing them up to be the Sabbath tribute they always should've been. Whiny nihilism > whiny politics. Badmotorfinger and Superunknown were mostly really good albums.

Kris, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Whiny nihilism > whiny politics.

Best and most effective damn dump on Zac I've ever read. Yow!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

On their earlier albums at least SG struck a balance between the heaviness and offhand humor that struck just the right chord w/me. They were Deep Boys, so deep that they couldn't help but mock the bloodcurdling angst and devastation of their sound, often in the same song. And then they lost all sense of humor? And Chris Cornell forgot to scream on every song? Is that it? Search: Big Dumb Sex.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I can't really comment on their albums before Badmotorfinger because I heard some of that stuff once and didn't care for it. I would probably like it a lot more now, but I really think they got better when Ben Shepherd became their bass player.

After that, classic. After I was out of high school and I went through various phases of elitism, I sort of forgot how classic. But I remembered eventually.

All of the last three albums are worth listening to, as albums, though if your tastes lean toward songwriting and "hard rock" rather than metal you'd probably prefer Down on the Upside and, moreso, Superunknown. But Badmotorfinger is a motherfucker.

Aside from that, late-career singles to search (I am very much counting on Maura to pop up and recommend early ones):

Badmotorfinger: Rusty Cage, Outshined, New Damage

Superunknown: Fell On Black Days, Mailman, Limo Wreck, The Day I Tried To Live, 4th of July

Down on the Upside: uh, I don't know most of these songs by name, and I don't have my CD with me, but the two singles (Blow Up the Outside World and Burden in My Hand) are good too. "Never the Machine Forever", maybe?

As a matter of fact, their a-sides record would be an excellent purchase if you want some Soundgarden but don't think you want a whole album.

Josh Kortbein, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

allegedly they were upset with the reception swervedriver received while opening for them so SG turned their sound down and shortened their set, or so i've been told. but then i saw that show and both bands stunk. chris cornell is the worst offender when it comes to oversinging, i mean he is fronting a trad rock band and his lyrics are bland enough but somehow he thinks he is some sort of virtuoso flashing his uvula all over the place. granted, he does a nice ave maria.

keith, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
Okay, I'm getting sick of all of you being so apologetic about Soundgarden. They were a great Rock N' Roll band. They were kind of average until Badmotorfinger, then they got good. It's okay to like Superunknown, people, even if it is a dreaded *gasp* hit rock record! It's a damn fine album. Every song ranges from good to excellent to absolute classic. It's true that "Black Hole Sun" is played, but "Limo Wreck" "The Day I Tried To Live" and "Just Like Suicide" are equally impressive.

Soundgarden just couldn't top their masterwork, and "Down On The Upside" had some naff moments. Fortunately for us, their recorded output was capped off by the sublime "Boot Camp."

Jack Redelfs, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Revive! There's got to be more lovers.

naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 7 December 2002 00:42 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Superunknown" rocks the known world. Fucking love that album.

Michael Bourke, Saturday, 7 December 2002 01:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Your fruity phrasing rocks the fruitless world. Wot about Badmotorfinger?

naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 7 December 2002 15:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

A classic song in "Jesus Christ Pose", generally solid, but I listened enough in the 90s. I'd sooner just put on Paranoid.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 7 December 2002 16:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I heard "Jesus Christ Pose" ofr the first time in a LOOOOOONG time yesterday... that's a pretty wild song: 12/4 polyrhythmia, down tuned 5th strings, this is like "The Immigrant Song" of the 1990s.

But one thing I was taken with was during the bridge or somewhere in the middle of all the riffage in the middle is this pretty direct lift of a couple Jesus Christ Superstar themes which I never picked up on in 1992 for one reason or another... despite picking the very same themes up in Pegboy and Afghan Whigs records from the same year. Anyone else catch that?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

How is it that I never answered this thread at the time?

In any case, Soundgarden -- in their day (now many, many, many moons ago) -- were fucking **MASSIVE** , and a QUADRILLION LIGHT YEARS OF BROAD SWEEPING VAST DISTANCES better than their snivelling little pals in Nirvana. First saw them at L'Amour in Brooklyn (with Voi Vod and Faith No More) circa Louder Than Love and they blasted a new part in my hair. Great, great, great band .

big fans of Killing Joke, by the way.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I used to maintain that there was no need to buy their records as long as you could find Black Sabbath or (good luck!) Sir Lord Baltimore. I now amend that to add Kyuss, Trouble, and Queens of the Stone Age, whom I haven't even heard yet.

Soundgarden had their moments.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

were fucking **MASSIVE** , and a QUADRILLION LIGHT YEARS OF BROAD SWEEPING VAST DISTANCES better than their snivelling little pals in Nirvana. First saw them at L'Amour in Brooklyn (with Voi Vod and Faith No More) circa Louder Than Love and they blasted a new part in my hair.

I don't really see much of a point of comparison with Soundgarden and Nirvana anyway, other than they were both guitar rock bands from Seattle....Soundgarden has way more in common with the bands that Myonga just cited than Nirvana....

Also, I REALLY REALLY REALLY WISH I WOULD HAD BEEN AT THAT SHOW....christ what a lineup! I need to listen to some Voivod.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sonically speaking, you're right.....Soundgarden sound nothing like Nirvana (and vice versa), but being that Nirvana are tirelessly lauded as the "ultimate Grunge band," I'm always quick to point out that (a) Soundgarden beat them to it and (b) Soundgarden were fuckin' better. But yes, Matt, you're correct.

And yes, the show in question was godlike. Voi Vod had recently released Nothingface and FNM were promoting The Real Thing. And this was at a shitty, tiny little club. I was wearing a Dread Zeppelin shirt at the time, and Matt Cameron -- seemingly on his way out of the men's room during Voi Vod's set -- says "that's some funny, fucked up shit!". Yay.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

that's a good year too, all three bands at probably their peaks.

i had erased dread zeppelin from my memory until i read that. yikes! boy i bet that wouldn't seem as funny if i heard it now...

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Best song on Superunknown - "Head Down"..... hands down.

kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You've all inspired me to listen to Superunknown. Christ, 'Let Me Drown' is a great album opener.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

gygax!, yes, I was trying to persuade Dave M of that same thing at the last TOFAP - I always thought it was a pretty clever allusion myself. I love the horn breaks in "Face Pollution". I think the grind of "4th of July" is the best track on Superunknown. I was too hard on them in my earlier post. One thing I'll say 'against' them though is: On another thread Mr Diamond (and I know he loves Zep to death) described Cornell as "Robert Plant with a better voice", which I don't think is the case. I was listening to III last night and really noticed the things Plant does with dynamics and tone in that insane register (where he often actually sings more than some give him credit for) - He's pretty never right in key but somehow that works in a way - and you can see that sometimes he achieves a certain effect by going particularly flat. The only sense in which I could see Cornell being 'better' is in terms of singing in key and maybe having a more full supported tone but what he tends to do with his voice tends to fall in more cliched patterns.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"...pretty much never right in key". And it's a certain effect of emphasis when he goes totally flat.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I guess it's also that Cornell seems to have much less of a range in terms of dynamics.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Huh, did I really say that about Cornell/Plant? I don't remember. If so, I'm not sure I would agree with myself either! Maybe I meant like, stronger, better projection -- when Plant really pushed his voice there's an occasional sense of straining that you never really got with Cornell -- but yeah I wouldn't say the latter's necessarily the overall "better" of the two.

I like 'em both just fine.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Keep it Off My Wave" is one of my favorite songs. Great riff, great singing, great theme.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and I was at that Faith No More/Soundgarden/Voivod show that Alex mentions too; in fact I saw two stops on that tour. It was really great.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Nice sundar, I believe it is the really metal minor riff from "The Temple" but it shows up in other places on JCSS.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Despite the fact that I still find 'em by far the weaker of the three bands, I too regret missing their show with Voivod & Faith No More when they played Toronto in early '90. (Didn't find out about it until the next day, boo hoo.)

Actually, honestly, I guess Soundgarden were better than I ever give 'em credit for. If I'd never read a single interview with or article about them, I'd like 'em more than I do. (But still not as much as Sabbath or Zep, from whom they borrowed plenty despite their nonsensical denials.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pretty Noose is a great song.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"In any case, Soundgarden -- in their day (now many, many, many moons ago) -- were fucking **MASSIVE** , and a QUADRILLION LIGHT YEARS OF BROAD SWEEPING VAST DISTANCES better than their snivelling little pals in Nirvana."

alex in nyc is officially the biggest crybaby on ILX.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

sorry, i'm having a bad day. I'M actually the biggest crybaby here.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 00:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think i could rate Cornell above Plant either. But christ that concert with FNM, Voivod and Soundgarden all at a peak sounds just ridiculous. Caught Soundgarden live around the BadMotorFinger album (def. my fave) and the absolute force of each player (think Shepherd! and Thayil!) meant Cornell didn't have to carry it and be the preening vocalist he became later.

piers (piers), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 00:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

alex in nyc is officially the biggest crybaby on ILX.

How does merely stating a fact make me a crybaby?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 00:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

don't worry about it, i was sniping at ya cause i was grumpy earlier.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 02:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I haven't been inspired to listen to Superunknown in a really long time, but if i remember correctly, "Let Me Drown", "Fell On Black Days", "Head Down" and others were/are pretty fucking awesome songs. And wasn't "Burden In My Hand" just a solid pop song? Kinda surprising. Maybe i'll get em back in the playlist.

lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 04:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Soundgarden could be a pretty damn good band when they wanted to.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 04:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Full On Kevin's Mom" by Soundgarden

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 11:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Badmotorfinger is a much weirder (not always successfully) album than I remember it being. I can definitely hear the Bauhaus in it a lot more clearly these days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

One of the 1st grunge albums I bought. Still love it.
Do you like Ultra Mega Ok and Louder Than Love, Ned?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Screaming Life > Ultramega OK > Badmotorfinger > Louder Than Love > Superunknown > Down on the Upside

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Badmotorfinger is a great album, start to finish. The earlier records are made up of songs that are about half-cooked. Just riffs really. But some good riffs. The later stuff has some good songs, but they started running out of ideas pretty quick, and "Fell on Black Days" is horrible. "Burden in my Hand" , "Day I Tried to Live" pretty great though. They started out smarter than they were letting on, but ended up just as dumb as thier pose.

I've never heard anyone else make the comparison, but Soundgarden's songwriting remind me a lot of early Traffic- stuff like "Mr. Fantasy" and "Forty Thousand Headmen"- in the lyrics, the dynamics and in Cornell's singing.

bendy (bendy), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

down on the upside isn't that great but I think "Pretty Noose" is a most excellent jam.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think Superunknown and Down On The Upside are both about half an hour too long, but I'm probably just wishing they conformed to the length of old Led Zeppelin LPs. I love love love "4th Of July" - such a beautifully ugly riff.

I wonder if "My Wave" was meant as a Yes rip, because it reminds me of part of "Ritual"...

Deluxe (Damian), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 23:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Anyone know how much some of their rarer vinyl is worth? Such as:

Louder Than Live (yes, Live) on blue vinyl.
Hands All Over promo single.
Loud Love promo single.

Reatards Unite, Sunday, 24 August 2008 21:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

Try completed listings on ebay -

63 on ebay, can buy it mint on musicstack for 70.

svend, Sunday, 24 August 2008 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

Thanks, but how do you search for ebay completed listings?

Reatards Unite, Sunday, 24 August 2008 22:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

It is under advanced search, it requires you to sign in. If you don't have an account, google is pretty good for finding recent listings too.

svend, Sunday, 24 August 2008 22:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

dang that's bad

i do feel like cornell might have been in store for an increasingly interesting solo career as he aged, cf Robert Plant.

nomar, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 16:56 (seven months ago) Permalink

i was hoping Scream would be nothing but covers of the Michael Jackson song when it came out

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 18:52 (seven months ago) Permalink

Down On The Upside is better than I remembered. It's still too long, but that's a quibble. I had forgotten songs like Zero Chance and Tighter and Tighter.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 25 May 2017 15:57 (seven months ago) Permalink

Down on the Upside is notable for being the Soundgarden record that Ben Shepherd had the largest hand in, writing-wise. Thayil contributed 'Never The Machine Forever' (a standout track, IMO) but much less compared to what he'd done before.

What I always liked about this band is that all the band members wrote songs and contributed riffs and ideas, even Matt Cameron who came up with some great stuff.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Thursday, 25 May 2017 19:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

you can really hear cameron's melodic sensibility and odd Soundgarden-ish chord changes in his songs for Pearl Jam

pickety third (stevie), Thursday, 25 May 2017 23:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

Cameron has "Mailman", "Fresh Tendrils", "Applebite" and "Room a Thousand Years Wide" to his credit, so fair fennel seeds to him. And your comments have aroused in me something I'd have never expected: interest in 00s PJ.

Freedom, Friday, 26 May 2017 07:38 (seven months ago) Permalink

His stuff on Binaural is partic strong

pickety third (stevie), Friday, 26 May 2017 09:36 (seven months ago) Permalink

"Green Disease" off the mostly ignorable Riot Act is great

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 26 May 2017 11:21 (seven months ago) Permalink

I didn't realize 'Room a Thousand Years Wide' was Cameron... it's about my favorite Soundgarden song most days.

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 26 May 2017 14:39 (seven months ago) Permalink

It's a Thayil lyric, but Cameron wrote the music.

Freedom, Friday, 26 May 2017 19:36 (seven months ago) Permalink

They should have done more songs with sax on them.

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 26 May 2017 21:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

or songs about improbably large rooms

BalĂ°y Daudrs (contenderizer), Friday, 26 May 2017 21:48 (seven months ago) Permalink

goddamn what a good song

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 26 May 2017 21:55 (seven months ago) Permalink

I saw some pics from the memorial & fell apart again. But it did lead me to find a full recording of his Albert Hall show from last year. He sounds so fucking good

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 27 May 2017 06:14 (seven months ago) Permalink


Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Saturday, 27 May 2017 11:32 (seven months ago) Permalink


dance cum rituals (Moka), Saturday, 27 May 2017 16:33 (seven months ago) Permalink


Freedom, Saturday, 27 May 2017 16:46 (seven months ago) Permalink


Lmao Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 May 2017 16:02 (seven months ago) Permalink

xp "Get Right" sounds like a Soundgarden song.

billstevejim, Sunday, 28 May 2017 16:08 (seven months ago) Permalink

whoa, this exists

billstevejim, Sunday, 28 May 2017 16:11 (seven months ago) Permalink

that clip Freedom posted is hysterically funny imo, well worth watching

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 28 May 2017 17:36 (seven months ago) Permalink

lost me at spoonman

rip van wanko, Sunday, 28 May 2017 23:46 (seven months ago) Permalink

Still cannot really believe it.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 29 May 2017 00:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

clip is funny but sad... natasha schneider too...

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 29 May 2017 02:21 (seven months ago) Permalink

It's a parody of a classic Sid-era Pink Floyd interview.

Three Word Username, Monday, 29 May 2017 06:29 (seven months ago) Permalink

i got a tattoo of the "s" on ULTRAMEGA OK

maura, Monday, 29 May 2017 06:50 (seven months ago) Permalink


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Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 May 2017 14:24 (seven months ago) Permalink

\m/ \m/

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 29 May 2017 17:20 (seven months ago) Permalink

I put down some of thoughts re Chris Cornell & Seattle bands & my teenage life here, if anyone wants to read

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 29 May 2017 23:30 (seven months ago) Permalink

Wonderful work. :-)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 May 2017 23:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

I'm always struck by how few people talk about the Screaming Trees. Lanegan, yeah, but not the band. "Sweet Oblivion" is a great album.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 June 2017 22:55 (seven months ago) Permalink

Ha, I've been thinking about them randomly for the past couple of weeks. (In part due to the great new Lanegan album, admittedly.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 June 2017 23:42 (seven months ago) Permalink

Sweet Oblivion and Dust are masterpieces, and a lot of their SST output is brilliant too.

Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Friday, 9 June 2017 12:45 (seven months ago) Permalink

yeah, it was like there wasn't enough room in the wider world for one more Seattle grunge band

President Keyes, Friday, 9 June 2017 13:57 (seven months ago) Permalink

Screaming Trees have always been a favorite- Cornell co-produced and did backing vocals on Uncle Anaesthesia.

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 9 June 2017 21:04 (seven months ago) Permalink

'Overfloater' is good. I don't think I've ever made it this far into DOtU before.

chap, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 15:33 (six months ago) Permalink

i ordered a CD (the old pre-remastered version of Badmotorfinger -- which I think actually sounds better a/b-ing my itunes rip vs. the spotify version of the deluxe remaster) right after his death off Amazon (it was on sale one day for $4)

it's really been rewarding listening to this band with fresh ears, I hadn't actively listened to Soundgarden (with the exception of checking out King Animal a couple times) in so many years, so blown away but how GOOD they were...a lot of this stuff I listened to on the car radio or cassette player or a cheapo boombox in someone's apartment or dorm, now listening on good headphones, the rhythm section is such so top notch and Kim was heads above any other guitarist of this era, in terms of having chops but not being a wanker and also using a lot of weird tunings and dissonance and odd time signature riffs that are somehow as infectious as 70s rock

and just a real rock singer that can fucking go out there and GET IT IN like a 70s dude

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:30 (six months ago) Permalink


Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:34 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah, and even a lot of the popular retro 70s-styled rock acts that plopped out after the turn of the century never had guys who could wail vocally, they were almost always working with a limited toolbox.

the weird tunings really opened up so many sonic possibilities. when I was learning guitar, Soundgarden were some of the earliest riffs I learned, and I remember learning "Mailman" and "4th of July" and how fun those were to play due to the really weird tunings and unusual finger positioning. always purposeful, like Mailman sounds so fat because the tuning has the A and D strings detuned and set to the same note so it's essentially fattening the high note of the octave, while the E string is detuned and serves as the low octave note. and the tuning allows you to have a Drop D type setup, fingerwise (only with a lower tuning and fatter sound).

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:41 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah i didn't even know about something as routine as drop D until I learned "Outshined"

Badmotorfingers is also kind of more...psychedelic than I thought of them, like I dunno they are traditionally what I think of as a psych band but there's a sorta LSD vibe that hangs over it

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:58 (six months ago) Permalink

They are def psychedelic. I remember the first things I read about them in the Melody Maker circa 91 referred to Thayil's "heavy karmic guitar".

Shanty Brunch (stevie), Thursday, 29 June 2017 10:32 (six months ago) Permalink

I said something about this way up thread, but they've always reminded me of a very heavy version of early Traffic - the shifting overcast-sky textures of the arrangements, riffs that are complex but not wanky, Cornell's pleading hooks.

Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:55 (six months ago) Permalink

God yeah. They would have smashed Paper Sun.

Shanty Brunch (stevie), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:01 (six months ago) Permalink

"Mind Riot" kinda felt like a precursor to some of the more atmospheric stuff they did on later albums

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:51 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

That Vedder video making the rounds is cathartic and sad:

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 July 2017 14:10 (five months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

they've always reminded me of a very heavy version of early Traffic

for your consideration, this challop (?) i found on the interweb:

'SG was always more Heart than Sabbath'

j., Friday, 24 November 2017 18:34 (one month ago) Permalink

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