Cabaret Voltaire : Classic Or Dud/Search and Destroy

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Sheffield's first proto-tech-niks don't seem to get much attention these days, so what says ILM - C or D?

My favourite Cabs albums would have to be Mix Up/Voice of America/Red Mecca, with 2 X 45 and Microphonies close behind. Also Nag, Nag, Nag (of course) and Sensoria singles. I'd destroy Johnny YesNo, and from memory, although I haven't heard it in 15 years, The Crackdown was very poor too.

Were the early Cabs an influence on later dance and electronica? Over to you.

Dr. C, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

shit, it was all over by their 1st studio album. their "futuristic" sounds + horribly dated already by the late '80s ......if they were a influence on later this or that, it must've been on the crappiest stuff.
(have i been harsh enough? if i'd heard them more recently i'd prob'ly be more so i reckon)

duane zarakov, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Undoubtedly classic, but as Duane contends: didn't age well. I got into the Cabs around Micro-phonies, and it was undoubtedly very forward-looking music at the time, at least for something on a major label (here in Canada it was Virgin, which meant fairly wide distribution, even sometimes to the sticks). At the time I also really loved The Covenant, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord, as it seemed to really blend sampling, dancebeats, electro-funk and melody together into one really nifty package (I was in my mid-teens and a lot less discriminating, perhaps).

I wouldn't destroy The Crackdown, but it was quite a disappointment at the time. Going back to the earlier "industrial" records was actually far more interesting, though I could really only take them in small doses. "Yashar" was great. Red Mecca and Three Mantras were spooky and I didn't really understand them, but I liked them all the same. For some reason my favourite early cabs bit was their cover of "No Escape" on mix-up, but that's due to my need at the time for some sort of melody to really latch onto a song, and probably the same reason I glommed onto "Hamburger Lady" by Throbbing Gristle...another project that hasn't really aged well.

To state that this stuff was unimportant, however, is missing the mark. Both Gristle and the Cabs pushed the boundaries of sound, and Cabaret Voltaire, in particular, brought in a lot of outside influences and tonalities that made it more interesting to my ears: dub, Eastern tonalities and sounds, funk. And by the time the Cabs hit their Virgin years and went electronic, they laid the foundation for a new generation of techno artists who wanted to go past the very minimalist Kraftwerk influence into something a bit more complicated, yet melodic. That's why it was such a disappointment when the Cabs tapered off through Code and Groovy, Laidback and Nasty, sounding more and more like the people they'd influenced. The later period stuff (notably the Conversation) was a bit of a renaissance, but also a bit too little too late.

In the end, my classic period is their Some Bizarre/Virgin years, which probably are their more listenable to modern ears, while still having some semblance of influence. Props to the earlier material, though.

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Maybe they haven't aged well (I disagree on that point), but by all accounts Autechre live these days seek to replicate that total overload of sound, so there's an influence lingering somewhere.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Perhaps "didn't age well" is overstating it. More like "is fairly dated": you can place a lot of those synth sounds from the early years to within a year or so if you try hard, so it's not exactly timeless material. Not that it necessarily has to be.

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...
red mecca and three mantras: does anyone really need anything else by them? (I have mix up and hai as well).

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 20:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Live at the Lyceum, 1981

neil tacus (tacit), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 20:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yes, everyone needs much more by them. Starting with Living Legends and the Crackdown. Then 2X45 and Voice of America. Then a bunch more.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 20:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the crackdown: I never heard it. I read the AMG review which led me to believe it was good, then scanned through a bunch of threads here where everyone hated on it. I kept looking for your comments on it, Dan, since it sounded like something you'd be advocating.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 20:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

some people just love the cabs...some people like their industrial/noisy stuff because they're into industrial/noisy stuff and some people like their electro-funk because they like electro-funk and some people like their synth-punk because...etc etc. I like what those guys do and no matter what genre they work with, it's always clearly Cabaret Voltaire to me (or this member of that...I'm not so quick to give all credit to Richard Kirk when Mallinder's solo releases on Fetish sound so amazing). The Crackdown has definate electro-funk elements but is still a pretty dark and interesting album, in a way that The Arm of the Lord and Microphonies, which are more popular albums, aren't always. I love selections from all of these, but think The Crackdown sounds more interesting then it's follow up records. Though on the hits, the songwriting on Arm of the Lord and MIcrophonies is of a higher quality probably. But it's all good.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 20:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm in Dan's camp on this one. Kinda surprised that this thread is so small, after five years even. Living Legends is really really great and I like everything up until maybe Code. FWIW I prefer Crackdown to Microphonies.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 05:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Just been reading an in depth history of the Sheffield scene in the late 70s and early 80s and am ripe for picking up some stuff by the cabs.

leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 08:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

crackdown is full of classics .. the dark brooding atmosphere, cut through with definite stabs of humour, 'why kill time when you can kill yourself' - pure perfection.

i much prefer Crackdown over The Arm .. against Microphonies i aint so sure, but for me it was all about the 3 Virgin albums (and Code to a certain degree) as all are still very worthy of love.

why they never reissued Drinking Gasoline in a standalone package i have no idea (do you know Dan?).. i realise that the tracks are available elsewhere (extras on Micorphones cd issue etc), but the artwork was excellent.

the day i traded in that double 12" was the day i officially lost my fucking marbles.


mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 08:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I love Drinking Gasoline, I also love the Drain Train. Those releases are kind of repetitive to the extreme, and I think got reviewed poorly in the context of "songcraft" or whatever, but in the context of long, repetitive, groovy as fuck avant-electro-funk releases, you could do a lot worse.

Richard Kirk's third solo album, Black Jesus Voice is in the same mode...brutal electro-funk. Ugly Spirit which came out around the same time is a more experimental, less funky version.

I've never heard Disposable Half-Truths and never got that into Time High Fiction, which came out around the same time as the Crackdown, or at least has similar art. I need to listen to that again.

But I love Sweet Exorcist, Virtual State, the Sandoz stuff, etc as well.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 14:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

"Three Mantras" is really great, bit hard to find tho. Puts their early stuff in a v nice context, kinda a key to how they got here from there

President Evil, Thursday, 31 May 2007 10:45 (ten years ago) Permalink

They are crazily dated, but I'm not sure "timeless appeal" was a goal of theirs, and a) people're still listening, b) they were pretty clearly tied to their times, politically most obv, they have SOUNDED like they were trying to be futuristic but maybe that was just context? They sound awfully like they just wanted to be an acknowledgement of various underappreciated strains of music etc to me right now

President Evil, Thursday, 31 May 2007 10:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh I think they were trying to be futuristic, sure. And I think they succeeded in the sense that they were innovators. That doesn't mean they didn't do some stuff that sounds dated now.

BTW, this must be the only Cabs thread I have not yet posted on.

Bimble, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

They sound awfully like they just wanted to be an acknowledgement of various underappreciated strains of music etc

What does this mean?

Tom D., Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

the fools game/eddie's out 12" was totally their peak

J0hn D., Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

I can't remember that one, I used to have all their stuff, what was the cover?

Tom D., Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

It was after 2 x 45 but before they signed to Some Bizarre, which was when the whole sound changed radically (audible vox/lyrics - we hardcores blamed Stevo at the time). It had a black and white cover with the words "FOOLS GAME" in spray paint. I note from a GIS that it's actually "Fools Game/Gut Level" but I think one of the two was subtitled "Eddie's Out Pt. 2" or soemthing.

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/105085.jpg

J0hn D., Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

that goddamn record changed my life I tell you wot

J0hn D., Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I remember the cover but I don't remember the rekkid!

Tom D., Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yeah that was one of the few things by them I was seriously underwhelmed by when I bought it.

Bimble, Thursday, 31 May 2007 14:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Sensoria" rules. I need to hear much much more.

Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 31 May 2007 14:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

to me that's kinda the end of the band - I don't like Crackdown, think Sensoria is OK and after that they're behind the times instead of ahead of them - where there was only really them doing stuff like 2x45 or the Fools Game 12", there were plenty of bands doing slightly "out" dance music, and doing it much better

J0hn D., Thursday, 31 May 2007 14:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

OTM

Tom D., Thursday, 31 May 2007 14:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

Fool's Game was on Crepuscule, right? It's on the Crepuscule Tracks compilations.

Anyway, there's some dated stuff, but mostly I'd say timeless, I can pick out tracks from most of their periods and suggest that they'd be impossible to date.

I do like them into the 80s but at some point Richard Kirk was doing better stuff solo, from the 80s electro solo records to Sweet Exorcist and Sandoz. By 90 or whatever the Cabs may have been slipping through the cracks, but Kirk was still an innovative force in underground electronic and dance music.

dan selzer, Thursday, 31 May 2007 16:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

They were futuristic but also retro....some of those early Rough Trade acts sound like they're from 1,000 years ago, but were coming out at the same time as some glossy stuff...they were using broken drum machines and distorted farfisas when others were already using fairlights. I don't see how that can date them to that time. If anything, it makes their music sound more archaic then it really is, and thus, harder to place.

dan selzer, Thursday, 31 May 2007 16:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

they were using broken drum machines and distorted farfisas when others were already using fairlights

I imagine that's all they could afford at the time!

Tom D., Thursday, 31 May 2007 16:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

They covered the Seeds didn't they? The garage and psychedelic sound is as important to the early music as clean electronic stuff. They did something very fresh with synths outside the usual machine-music expectation of what 'futuristic' sounds like. The Fall also did a similar mirror-image psychedelia thing.

Alex xy, Thursday, 31 May 2007 16:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

they were using broken drum machines and distorted farfisas when others were already using fairlights. I don't see how that can date them to that time.

a friend of mine gave me a tape with some unlabeled tracks, one of them being cab voltaire's "on every other street". it was pretty easy to peg as late 70s/early 80s british postpunk.

WE ARE INHUMAN
WE LIKE THIS BEAT
WE ARE LIKE ROBOTS
INNIT A TREAT

I mean that kinda shit only came from one time and place.

sometimes I think timeless is just shorthand for "I really really like this band."

Edward III, Thursday, 31 May 2007 17:20 (ten years ago) Permalink

I don't know...they were doing those sounds since 75, they defined many aspects of that. When I heard that period Cabs I hear the BBC radiophonic stuff, krautrock, garage rock and other signifiers.

dan selzer, Thursday, 31 May 2007 18:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

they were doing those sounds since 75, they defined many aspects of that.

so if they epitomized a sound that became associated with a certain time and place, wouldn't that make them sound dated?

Edward III, Thursday, 31 May 2007 20:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

Dated, schmated, their use of degraded and found recordings has lasted far better than than squeeky-clean 80s synth-poppery that gets so much love here IMHO.

Soukesian, Thursday, 31 May 2007 21:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Of their post Crackdown records, Code is rather good.

moley, Thursday, 31 May 2007 22:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

so if they epitomized a sound that became associated with a certain time and place, wouldn't that make them sound dated?

only if that sound makes you cringe in it's inability to sound fresh at any other time.

dan selzer, Friday, 1 June 2007 03:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

So is the _Listen Up_ odds and sods comp "essential" as Trouser Press says or more of a mixed bag like Allmusic indicates? I'm much more a fan of the poppier Virgin period.

Mr. Odd, Monday, 25 February 2008 01:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

god i love this band

latebloomer, Monday, 25 February 2008 01:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

what's the consensus on HAI? i like that album, played a track from it early on in my dj set last night.

htshell, Monday, 25 February 2008 03:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

Mr. Odd, if you like Crackdown and Microphonies you will surely love Listen Up. It has resisted being sold out of my CD collection for 15 years now. Lots of previously unreleased or video-only tracks as well.

sleeve, Monday, 25 February 2008 05:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

Crackdown's probably their best... it's like they're the masters of dark, weird funky electronic dance. I guess it sounds dated if you were old enough to have memories from the early 80s.

burt_stanton, Monday, 25 February 2008 07:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

They are one of my fave bands/duos/artists in the history of the entire world. Please talk to me about them.

Oh never mind: I will construct a POX of them that will help me and probably most anyone else who would bother reading about how Bimble loves Cabaret Voltaire now and forever until the end of time. They make me so happy. I don't even want to get started on the Crackdown album right now.

I fucking love Cabaret Voltaire okay and I have the BBC Sessions 84-86 now so the heavens love me.

I am currently listening to "You Like To Torment Me" (Long Session)

These guys were the fucking shit and I don't care what your tastes are. If you don't like Cabaret Voltaire, then I hope you like some other fave band of mine, because we've got basic problems already.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 3 May 2008 04:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm still baffled that they don't get more respect. 'Live YMCA' is a particular favorite - one of the most brilliantly screwed-up recordings ever, constantly teetering on the edge of falling apart. And there are quite a few other singles by other bands that I like as much as 'Nag, Nag, Nag', but I really can't think of any that I actually like more.

Soukesian, Saturday, 3 May 2008 16:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

I am shocked that Bimble likes this band from the 80s

J0hn D., Saturday, 3 May 2008 16:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

Zing!

Yes I just got Live YMCA recently, actually. Only played it once so far. I'm going to put it on again as soon as I finish listening to John Cale's cover of LCD Sounsystem's "All My Friends" which seems to me came out nearly exactly a year ago. I'm sure it was. May of '07

Also was going to revive a Velvets thread very soon.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 3 May 2008 17:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

And yes I'm afraid I remain woefully ignorant of the Mountain Goats, Mr. John D. Though I recall hearing some good things from whatever was the first 4AD release.

I should probably check out that Heretic Pride.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 3 May 2008 17:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

Velvets count as 80s because nobody liked them in the 70s LOL

as I say upthread, possibly in some other alias, Cabaret Voltaire was one of my favorite bands. I do think they've aged badly - a lot of their stuff sounds good if you liked it at the time, but if you play it for people who haven't heard it, it's kind of like trying to explain what was ever good about cassettes. You know? I still think the Fools Game/Gut Level 12" is their peak - hits the spot just right. A lot of the other stuff sounds kinda proof-of-concept to me now, which makes me sad to say - I mean, when they were around, my friends and I thought pretty highly of ourselves for "appreciating" the Cabs.

J0hn D., Saturday, 3 May 2008 18:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh no I disagree! The Fools Game 12" I sold! Sorry! :(

Anyway look, right now I am not really believing that there is a live version of "On Every Other Street" on this YMCA 1979 thing, because I am due for an orgasm whenever that song comes on. Holy hell.

They were the sythesizer ANTI-JAMES BROWN man. They were the dirty funk (gunk) on the sole of your shoes that you were too embarrassed to wipe away.

There may be some truth in what you say about trying to explain it to people who haven't heard it, though.

NAG NAG NAG!!!!!!!

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 3 May 2008 18:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

xpost- I dunno, I'm only 24 and Cabaret Voltaire (at least the early stuff. I haven't heard anything past Red Mecca) sounds GREAT to my ears. Sorta like Chrome in that they sound like music played by really shitty robots, like if you'd buried an early prototype of Kraftwerk in toxic sludge, then accidentally uncovered them two hundred years later and OH SHIT THEY'RE STILL ALIVE WHAT AN UNSPEAKABLY HORRIBLE EXISTENCE

BigLurks, Saturday, 3 May 2008 18:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

Also - I've got a "Drinking Gasoline" CD EP. Is that what you're looking for?

yes. have never seen the cd version in all my years of searching.
bravo.

mark e, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

forgot how great 'the covenant ... ' sounds.
on headphones for the first time in 20+ years and its an absolute revelation.
the CV weirdness but in widescreen production.

mark e, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 20:34 (eight years ago) Permalink

man I need to find a copy of that

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god i love this band

― latebloomer, Monday, 25 February 2008 01:49 (1 year ago)

I miss having Bimble around to wax enthusiastic on threads like these.

sleeve, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 00:00 (eight years ago) Permalink

I miss having Bimble around to wax enthusiastic on threads like these.

^^^^ * 100

dug out the drain train ep from the archive.
wasn't this the final release of the electro-funk era before they became more electronic/house?
being the awkward buggers they are they decided to make one side 45rpm, the other 33rpm.

mark e, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 08:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

Yeah, "Drain Train" was my jumping off point. I listened to it the other day and was underwhelmed. Frankly, "Code" itself is ok but not as otherworldly as "Sword, Covenant..." which for me was their peak. I've grown to love their early works as well but I'll always have a soft spot for the push-pull embracing of "accessibility" in their Virgin years.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 12:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

does anyone know where the sampled dialog used on "Gut Level" originates? Sounds like a 70s urban/drug/police movie or possibly documentary (which the Cabs were so fond of)

kreidleresque, Sunday, 6 June 2010 15:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Just listened to a bit of "Groovy, Laidback and Nasty" on Spotify - I'd never heard it before. My instincts were correct, truly awful. Well, awful in so much as that sort of thing is decidedly NOT what I want from CV!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 22 July 2011 12:12 (six years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Woohoo! Their Virgin years are my favorite period and ripe for rediscovery, it should find a new audience in the 21st century. Great disco-not-disco post-punk infused electronica.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 4 November 2011 20:08 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, they sound very 'now' to me. Thank You America, Crackdown, Sensoria, Yashar (John Robie), James Brown...

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:13 (six years ago) Permalink

I have seriously been hoping for this for a decade now - considering the compilations of material from the Virgin years a short while back, I'm actually surprised that it took this long! I hope they somehow manage to get a reissue for Code, too. The other Manhattan/EMI album, don't care.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 4 November 2011 20:40 (six years ago) Permalink

easily my fave era of the band but this is weird as the virgin era stuff has been pretty easy to pick up on cd ever since they were released.
that aside, if it helps the guys get some long deserved TLC then i aint complaining.
wonder if drinking gasoline will be released as a seperate release or as a bunch of extra trax spread across the releases ..

mark e, Friday, 4 November 2011 22:26 (six years ago) Permalink

not Cabaret Voltaire w/o both Mallinder and Watson imo

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:01 (six years ago) Permalink

still cabaret voltaire without watson but definitely not without mallinder.

stirmonster, Monday, 7 November 2011 20:05 (six years ago) Permalink

If you like.

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:08 (six years ago) Permalink

exactly how is a Cabs record without Mal going to be any different from a RHK solo record...

.....apart from the massive press a new Cabs record will get...

Night Nurse with Wound (Jack Battery-Pack), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:09 (six years ago) Permalink

not that there's been anything announced...

Night Nurse with Wound (Jack Battery-Pack), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:10 (six years ago) Permalink

not Cabaret Voltaire w/o both Mallinder and Watson imo

I love "Kino" so much tho

dense macabre (DJP), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:10 (six years ago) Permalink

there's good post-Watson stuff it's just that the CV I get most excited about is the one where there's a guy whose job is "tapes and samples" - you've heard Chris Watson's nature recordings, right? I know, that sounds dull, but they are awesome. Like, actually-listen-to-this-repeatedly awesome, not "oh how interesting" awesome. Outside the Circle of Fire is the one I know best but he's done a bunch of stuff: http://www.chriswatson.net/

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:13 (six years ago) Permalink

lol you are responding to someone who had his life changed by Since The Accident and City Slab Horror, I'm not at all averse to tape loop stuff

I will admit tho that I was always more into glossy dancefloor Cabs than anything else, largely due to what I could find in record stores.

dense macabre (DJP), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:17 (six years ago) Permalink

yes, very familiar with chris watson's wondrous recordings and i love cv mk 1 but mk 2 post watson were truly great too.

stirmonster, Monday, 7 November 2011 20:18 (six years ago) Permalink

I can't lie: I love the Watson field recording stuff...but I still think CV post-Watson is still perfectly fine, though obviously a different beast than the early stuff. But CV without Mal isn't CV.

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 7 November 2011 20:19 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah. I'm aware of Chris Watson. I've interviewed him in fact. Bands often go through different phases in one career. It's not a difficult concept to get your head around. I'm aware that people have a lot of emotion tied up with 1970s and 1980s Cabaret Voltaire. I'm one of them. But simply writing off Cabs off because they're not sat in a squat doing tape loop experiments is madness.

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:20 (six years ago) Permalink

I write off anyone who is not sat in a squat doing tape loop experiments tbh

fill up ass of emoticon fart (crüt), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:21 (six years ago) Permalink

What about Scritti?

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:22 (six years ago) Permalink

I genuinely think more bands should be sat in squats doing tape loop experiments. Mumford and Sons for example.

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:23 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah. I'm aware of Chris Watson. I've interviewed him in fact. Bands often go through different phases in one career. It's not a difficult concept to get your head around. I'm aware that people have a lot of emotion tied up with 1970s and 1980s Cabaret Voltaire. I'm one of them. But simply writing off Cabs off because they're not sat in a squat doing tape loop experiments is madness.

I think I've told this story here before but there's a can't-get-past-the-moment thing w/me & the Cabs - at the time of 2x45 & Eddie's Out/Fools Game they were my favorite band - more specifically, my friend Tom & I were constantly spinning CV, writing their interlocking logo on whatever surfaces we could find, having doubtless insufferable discussions about them all the time. I'd found the Mallinder solo stuff, listened to it once & then had it stolen; we'd pieced together what we could about them, there wasn't much info to get. And then suddenly The Crackdown. I can dig it now but at the time it was just the gravest most horrible disappointment - what the fuck is up with these whispery vocals with, horrors, audible lyrics? So yeah. It's really much younger underrated a. who reps for the 3-member Cabaret Voltaire, but I have much fealty to young underrated a., because he will go ham if time slips and he shows up and finds me not toeing a very purist line.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:28 (six years ago) Permalink

tell young time traveling aero to stfu and watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4IAnSdtbNY

dense macabre (DJP), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:30 (six years ago) Permalink

and like, when I first bought the Fools Game 12", there was some older dude, I have no idea whose friend he was or how we ended up at his house, he was probably putting the make on us idk I was 14, but he had what is still probably the best home stereo I've ever been in the presence of. (he also had a floatation tank in his house. RIP post-70s California single-dude apartments) I'd bought the 12" but none of us had heard it, we were stoked, and then there we are at this dude's house and Tom, who's like this great combo of impeccable manners and just-every-so-often-but-then-really horrible ones, says - in his most polite way - "Can we listen to the record aero bought?" and we put the shit on and it was like....holy fuck this sounds amazing. And it was so long, it was like it went on forever, and the pitched movie dialogue on Gut Level was just so terrifying. And the leftover sax stuff from that sort of smash-jazz era of "out" English stuff...the bleakness of it.

In other news this is really interesting and I had never heard of it:

or all the viewers not from italy:

this was the usual thing in early 80s in italy, all kinds of exotic music with a beat

were slowed or speeded up until they reached 95-100 beats per minute.

I remember the same treatment to the instrumental version of "don't you want me".

A very atmospheric and slow track , "Eyes of a stranger" by Payolas, was speeded up to reach that bpm so the voice track was a nearly comic result of a 2year od child singin' in falsetto. I was dj too but didn like that thng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep8mvWy3QNE

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 7 November 2011 20:39 (six years ago) Permalink

No mention of 'Voice of America', the Cabs first LP? Excellent early industrial stuff. Also glad to se Moley repping for 'Code'. Cheesy but very listenable. Better than SPK they went dance.

Franz Kappa (S-), Monday, 7 November 2011 21:18 (six years ago) Permalink

yeah ultimately dance CV > dance SPK, but man do I love "Breathless"

dense macabre (DJP), Monday, 7 November 2011 21:23 (six years ago) Permalink

But Slogun > Nag Nag Nag

Having said that though…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgENIfKAP7A&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Franz Kappa (S-), Monday, 7 November 2011 21:31 (six years ago) Permalink

Fair play. I'd like to listen to all of the Attic Tapes box set in a flotation tank.

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Monday, 7 November 2011 21:38 (six years ago) Permalink

When I went to listen to Chris Watson's massive installation in the Victorian palm house at Kew Gardens last year, it was so impressive I ended up staying there all day to listen to it as many times as I could. It's quite a famous greenhouse and I think it features in the 'Caterpillar' video by The Cure. He recorded 15 minutes at sunset and 15 minutes at sunrise of sound in a section of tropical rainforest.

If I understood the concept correctly he used 80 microphones to record the sound and then played it back through 80 speakers which were placed all around the palm house on every level, meaning you could walk through the field recording as it were. For example if you were walking along the gantries at the top of the Palm House you'd hear more bird noise than you would below where there would be more insect noise.

And on the last playback of the day I saw Watson sat under a palm and I was going to go over and say hello but he was with a clearly delighted lady companion so I just threw the horns at him instead. Discretely of course.

Conan The Asshander (Doran), Monday, 7 November 2011 22:06 (six years ago) Permalink

No mention of 'Voice of America', the Cabs first LP?

No! Mix-up is the first LP.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 7 November 2011 22:53 (six years ago) Permalink

btw my single trip to Kew Gardens was a wonderful day for me, a Watson sound installation in the palm house sounds just sublime.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 7 November 2011 22:54 (six years ago) Permalink

never heard fools game before.

love it.

as this is the era of CV i love, i really regret not getting the conform to deform boxset now.

mark e, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 08:13 (six years ago) Permalink

No mention of 'Voice of America', the Cabs first LP?

No! Mix-up is the first LP.

And "Voice of America" is actually their 3rd LP! Arguably their 4th if "Three Mantras" is considered an album.

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 11 November 2011 17:14 (six years ago) Permalink

I consider "Three Mantras" an EP. A really long one, in the style of the day! But still an EP.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 11 November 2011 17:30 (six years ago) Permalink

Love aero's story upthread, sort of reminds me of the Alfred Molina scene in Boogie Nights, wonder how that would play with 'Gut Level' replacing 'Sister Christian'.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Friday, 11 November 2011 17:39 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

What's the latest on the reissues? I just realized it's my man Bill Nelson playing guitar on half the tracks on "Code" and in yhe video for "Here To Go". I love discovering new things about albums I've had for decades. I just gave it a spin and it's better than I remember, though I love it's predecessor much more.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 22 January 2012 19:04 (five years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

How has no one mentioned Mal's new band, Wrangler, with Benge (whose work with John Foxx as the Maths is fantastic). Their new album is one of the best new releases of the year, a great melding of Virgin era CV and modern sounds.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 29 September 2014 23:38 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Anyone have any thoughts on the various live albums released? I'm specifically interested in something good-sounding from their Virgin era (83-87).

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 21:17 (one year ago) Permalink

Has there been any sign of any further early remasters after red Mecca came out a couple of years ago. Would love copies of those first couple of lps in better sound on cd.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 6 September 2016 21:28 (one year ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7K-vkaWB0g

Nobody captured noirish paranoia better than Cabaret Voltaire. Like a William Friedkin movie in a song.

carpet_kaiser, Sunday, 16 July 2017 02:53 (four months ago) Permalink

RHKs new album is very pre-Virgin era CV sounding.

mark e, Sunday, 16 July 2017 17:04 (four months ago) Permalink

I am listening to "Fool's Game" right now in honor of this revive

sleeve, Sunday, 16 July 2017 18:11 (four months ago) Permalink

Funny how the 12" mix of "Blue Heat" wound up on the CD when there never was a 12" released. I'm guessing it was planned but the label said no.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 17 July 2017 01:25 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Every couple of years I revisit early Cabs, and it just sounds better each time. I mean, I've always dug the singles but today I spun "2x45" (love it), "Three Mantras" (Western Mantra is epic, Eastern not as much), "Red Mecca" (still warming to some of it) and rediscovered Stephen Mallinder's solo album "Pow-Wow Plus" which has some fantastic tracks that would fit well on 2x45. I even ordered the rare CD edition of the latter though I noted it removes two tracks from the original EP (1-20 and 1-34).

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 3 September 2017 21:03 (two months ago) Permalink


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