Better 70s Detroit: Stooges VS MC5?

That said, it's tough -- Stooges were probably more revolutionary but c'mon, the fuckin' MC5.

I also think the MC5 were more popular in Detroit at the time, as my parents grew up in Detroit and said "Oh everybody saw MC5 and the grande ballroom. It was the cool thing to do"

But wasn't the first Stooges only released in '69?

And they're grouped together additionally because the Stooges were seen as the "little brother band" to the MC5, thus helping them gain media/label notice.

Additionally, this has prob'ly been covered elsewhere.

i'd say that's fair. the stooges are a helluva lot more consistent (authentic releases, at least) - the first album and funhouse and search and destroy are all devastatingly coherent and taut and intense and falb-free statements of intent. MC5's stuff regularly scrapes at a deeper and more colourful brilliance, but as they flail further they fall harder, sometimes.

for me, MC5 embrace a fuller and wider brace of influences (or perhaps digest those influences less fully than stooges; 'la blues' versus 'black to comm' for the detroit garage/free jazz interface face off, anyone?) and also a broader sense of rockin' emotion. there's elation as well as frustration in there, their sex songs are about getting it on, as well as the blue (balled) funk of not being able to get it on. the stooges are the noise for the bad times, where mc5 fulfill a whole variety of needs.

but i still couldn't name a preference of one over the other. good old wishy-washy stevie chick...

I think the reason they are linked together is an old promotions campaign by Elelktra which linked them, and also the influence they both had on punk, metal, and grunge later. The high Energy thing is similar in both bands too.

*pauses with needle poised in hand, considers these words of warning briefly, shrugs and continues to lower needle onto battered copy of "Fun House"*

you're so wrong it hurts! but why am i not surprised by this?

the truth that ppl can't face is that a little known band from japan put out a copy of double CDs that are have so much more rock action than either 'kick out the jams' or 'funhouse', but never mind.

They don't do drugs either so it fucks up dave's theory.

"just say no kids"
''*pauses with needle poised in hand, considers these words of warning briefly, shrugs and continues to lower needle onto battered copy of "Fun House"*''

I tried stewart. I tried.

damn that's a real troll right there. I've been listning to this stuff for years. you've only heard one fushitsusha record. please fuck off and die.

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But the original Stooges material is so far beyond the MC5, it's just not funny.

Possibly the most ludicrous statement I have ever come across on ILM - including my own ludicrous statements

That second MC5 album isn't very heavy now is it?

The MC5 was a good band and have a few really good songs. The Stooges are bedrock.

I don't know who is the loud/heavy live group of the 60s, but there are some sections on Live at Leeds that are everything the MC5 did on Kick out the Jams and perhaps a bit more.

About Blue Cheer, didn't the original lineup split after Led Zep creamed them badly opening for them? I think it was LZ first shows in the US right before their first album came out.

And the 5 really did feel their music was going play a part in making the world a better place, and that usually makes people a lot more uncomfortable than the Stooges feeling their music was going to make people better about spilling their subconscious all over the floor.

So history has already gone with the Stooges. But anybody who thinks the 5 sound "dated" or whatever needs to listen to them again, and also -- the following points from stevie should never be forgotten:

>for me, MC5 embrace a fuller and wider brace of influences (or perhaps digest those influences less fully than stooges; 'la blues' versus 'black to comm' for the detroit garage/free jazz interface face off, anyone?) and also a broader sense of rockin' emotion. there's elation as well as frustration in there, their sex songs are about getting it on, as well as the blue (balled) funk of not being able to get it on. the stooges are the noise for the bad times, where mc5 fulfill a whole variety of needs.

Fushitsusha: Classic or dud

to a few other people: Almost everyone probably likes Zep better than Blue Cheer, and it was probably true then. Zep to me are a bunch of guys that liked folk music, and every once in a while cranked up the volts. "Live at Leeds" is heavy for sure, but still not quite where "Kick Out the Jams" and "Blue Cheer" are. The Troggs? I could see how a Stooges fan might like them too, they were alright I guess. "I Got a Right" is a good Stooges song, and so are "Search and Destroy", "Raw Power" "TV Eye", and "Loose". After that it's just not that heavy. I appreciate the debate, but you guys might as well admit (as your replies in defence of the Stooges imply) that "Kick Out the Jams" and "Vincebus Eruptum" are harder and heavier than any Stooges cd. And, saying history already declared the Stooges the winner-maybe that's true, but there's a sound evolution from MC5 to "E.Pluribus Funk" (Grand Funk) and "Machine Head"(Deep Purple), even early Sabbath, AC/DC, to thrash. I think their influence is at least as strongly felt as the Stooges. MC5 also influence punk bands like the Stooges, but the Stooges are no kind of influence on metal.

uh-oh.

On some reflection, I think I'd take Black Sabbath over the stooges or the mc5!! Or ac/dc, or blue cheer for that matter (sorry julio
) (haha taking sides - src vs blue cheer)

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The Stooges piss all over them. And Iggy. IGGY!