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The 1st 3 albums are often held up as avant garde/electronic classics. But are they actually any good?
'Games Without Frontiers' is a classic , but 'Biko' i dont think i could listen to due to the mauling Simple Minds gave it. Both are from '3'.

Jimmy Smith, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 13:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't think Gabriel ever wrote a song that was without flaw. I loved "And Through the Wire" and "I Don't Remember" .. but there was always something missing or some added element of cheese ... Albumwise, there were always some duds on his records, so ... OK, I'll say it: "Overrated."


dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

First album I think is great and well worth hearing, though he was still trying to find a consistent solo career style. I was listening to it for the first time in a long while earlier this year, and though the music I feel still holds up well, the lyrics do not, filled with the (rather corny, IMO) puns he made in Genesis.

Anyway, "Moribund the Burgermeister" is a great, weird number, but there's also not much separating it from past work. "Modern Love" is a no frills rock tune, very much no way he would play something like that today (sadly; he could use an injection of livelihood on his last albums), "Excuse Me" is a semi-comic relief number with barbershop quartet opening. "Humdrum" is also very Genesis-like, but I think it's the best tune on the album.

The second album I've actually never heard, in all my years of being a fan. I keep meaning to pick it up, especially since everything's been remastered. People say it's pretty underrated...

I never really liked his third album, myself. The songs just never really clicked with me, except maybe "Intruder".

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Everything up through the quizzically named SECURITY (a title which Garbriel claimed he had nothing to do with) is great. After that? FEh.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i've never listened to any of them EXCEPT "Biko"

i've never heard the simple minds version, but Robert Wyatt covers it, and beautifully at that

JasonD (JasonD), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Pretty much what Alex said except change "great" to "good."

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 24 December 2002 18:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I always got the feeling that his first three albums are like Big Star's albums or watching Citizen Kane. You've by now heard it all before in other bands.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't think Gabriel ever wrote a song that was without flaw

For me, "San Jacinto" and "Rhythm of the Heat" come damn close...

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 25 December 2002 05:04 (sixteen years ago) link

five years pass...

So!

"Red Rain"!

roxymuzak, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:02 (eleven years ago) link

Oh yeah man, I have totally been on a Red Rain trip of late. Just can't get away from that song at all.

Bimble, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

Listened to it driving through the farmland surrounding Bristol, VA in bright, bright sunlight following a hotel morning today. 100% arcadian.

roxymuzak, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

Listen to the sound of the drums before the break!

Bimble, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:31 (eleven years ago) link

xpost

Fantastic! I grew up in VA.

Bimble, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:33 (eleven years ago) link

I <3 Daniel Lanois 4-ever.

roxymuzak, Sunday, 9 March 2008 20:35 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, "Red Rain". "Mercy Street" too. Something about that line: "swear they moved that sign."

It's funny, because I was browsing YouTube and had just finished watching this when I saw this thread. These two have always struck me as two sides of the same coin, both following a particularly English trail of slightly ethereal slightly mad overflowingly creative whimsy.

Lostandfound, Monday, 10 March 2008 01:46 (eleven years ago) link

Peter looks so young there!

Were he and Kate ever in a romantic relationship with one another? I thought I remembered reading this, but I can't find anything confirming it. I must have made it up.

roxymuzak, Monday, 10 March 2008 04:07 (eleven years ago) link

Doesn't he? I'm not sure, but it would be kind of weird, like siblings making out. Which is also creepily awesome in their case (and only in their case, right?).

Lostandfound, Monday, 10 March 2008 04:50 (eleven years ago) link

aaaaaaahhhhh! It's the performance of "Another Day"! I haven't seen this in awhile. WOW. Thanks!

Bimble, Monday, 10 March 2008 05:09 (eleven years ago) link

No really, this has made my night. Oh my god.

Bimble, Monday, 10 March 2008 05:10 (eleven years ago) link

I know. Mine too.

Lostandfound, Monday, 10 March 2008 07:10 (eleven years ago) link

New album is called "Big Blue Balls"!!

King Boy Pato, Monday, 10 March 2008 07:11 (eleven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Here Comes The Flood

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 28 February 2009 22:57 (ten years ago) link

IS HE GOTH OR NOT? LOOK AT THAT PICTURE!

He's going to marry Kate Bush and they're going to rein as king and queen of the desert island. And we're all going to be happy. Just you wait.

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 28 February 2009 23:25 (ten years ago) link

Peter Gabriel is even more heavenly than Brian Eno, and that's saying something.

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Saturday, 28 February 2009 23:36 (ten years ago) link

Here Comes The Flood

― Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You)

Here comes the late-night revive of the borderline goth thread by drunken Bimble, amirite?

ilxor, Sunday, 1 March 2009 00:22 (ten years ago) link

hahahahah too right

Sleep Tundra (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Sunday, 1 March 2009 03:45 (ten years ago) link

Still More Goth Than Your Cat's Asshole (Bimble), Sunday, 1 March 2009 10:58 (ten years ago) link

HCTF = epic

cutty, Sunday, 1 March 2009 13:15 (ten years ago) link

whoa kate in the clip

cutty, Sunday, 1 March 2009 13:35 (ten years ago) link

As good as that is, the version on Fripp's Exposure is ten times better.

I saw PG live on the So tour, which was some big poppy stuff amid a lot of other stuff I didn't really get. And yet it was still a quasi-religious experience, although I couldn't really tell you why.

mitya, Sunday, 1 March 2009 13:36 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

san jacinto KILLIN me right now

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, 2 April 2009 17:18 (ten years ago) link

BLAST FROM THE PAST:

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, 2 April 2009 17:20 (ten years ago) link

Is it just me, or does Pete look more than a little like Ed Helms in that HCTF clip?

The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 2 April 2009 18:26 (ten years ago) link

SAN JACINTO
SAN JACINTO

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Monday, 6 April 2009 08:20 (ten years ago) link

Just to take me to heaven on that live album, goddamnit, wings, take me...take me there

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Monday, 6 April 2009 08:21 (ten years ago) link

Solsbury Hill.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Monday, 6 April 2009 08:29 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

HERE COMES THE FLOOD

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 16:11 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

"White Shadow" is awesome! Are there any other songs in this world where pedal steel sounds so epic?

we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Thursday, 5 November 2009 18:24 (nine years ago) link

not a rhetorical question btw

we are normal and we want our freedom (Abbott), Thursday, 5 November 2009 18:27 (nine years ago) link

four years pass...

Passioni: walloping beats, Fairlights backing violin lines, something called "Arghul drones," * a boys choir singing "With This Love," a track called "It is Accomplished" waiting to become a pop song. I love this album.

* I learned much about music by studying Peter Gabriel instrumental credits.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 02:04 (five years ago) link

It's a good'n'.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 02:06 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

Sharing "your eyes" with a stranger at a bar

calstars, Saturday, 27 September 2014 03:39 (four years ago) link

It must be hard holding that jukebox up over your head.

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 27 September 2014 05:03 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Someone tell Axl that it has been 12 years since the last Peter Gabriel album of original material.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 November 2014 14:30 (four years ago) link

he said recently maybe he'll be done soon. yeah right!

akm, Friday, 7 November 2014 14:54 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

PG is part of a group that teaches the world how to take better videos when filming brutality as a firsthand witness.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/teaching-citizens-shoot-better-video-witness-brutality/

pilate is my cogod (Crabbits), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 00:58 (four years ago) link

Aw he's a good guy

Birdy ost is my favorite pg album now. No words just vibes for miles.

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 01:23 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

Has Gabriel ever spoke about Gary Brooker from Procol Harum as being an influence? Listening to A Salty Dog right now and man sometimes the melody and phrasing and even tone of his voice reminds me of Gabriel (or I guess it could be an coincidence or even vice versa as they are essentially contemporaries)

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2015 21:31 (three years ago) link

He supposedly has brought him up as an influence, though I don't know when/where. At the least Brooker (and most of Genesis, a couple of years later) all went to Charterhouse.

And, ha!, I've never heard this before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct_R6CPD5-o

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 14:35 (three years ago) link

Growing Up Live, was it?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 June 2016 12:44 (three years ago) link

Is that the one where he was on a Segway for part of it? Can't remember, but I know I saw the Up tour (which, like the Us tour, was designed by Robert Lepage), and it was cool. In the round? Also, literally in the round:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh80jJNgRrY

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 June 2016 13:22 (three years ago) link

Honestly, I don't know much of what he's done the last 20 years or so, but the rot seemed to set in w Us. There really didn't seem to be the same energy once he hit the, uh, big time.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 17 June 2016 14:07 (three years ago) link

I think Us was pretty good, actually. Good songs, pretty, neat/novel performances/arrangements, like "Digging in the Dirt." It's not like he's done much since, but like I was saying before, even the stuff on Up - which I like - is pretty rhythmically inert, like band in a box generic. The soundtrack to Rabbit Proof Fence is great, though.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 June 2016 14:26 (three years ago) link

I liked Us, too. He'd really assimilated his African influences by this point, not just tacked on for effect but part of the melodies and structure of the songs. "Come Talk to Me" is beautiful, even if I don't fully know (or care) what the hell he's singing about. And the Secret World tour was his best, if only for Paula Cole in lbd and combat boots.

dinnerboat, Friday, 17 June 2016 17:13 (three years ago) link

Although he's turned into Randy Newman at times, he's still put out really great one-off songs like "Burn You Up, Burn You Down" and "Signal To Noise".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 17 June 2016 18:13 (three years ago) link

I love Us. Didn't used to, especially when it was new, but I revisited it a couple of years ago and now it really moves me.

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Friday, 17 June 2016 18:51 (three years ago) link

Us is tremendous and stands with his best work imo.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 17 June 2016 20:43 (three years ago) link

Us has the first evidence of the alimony voice I mentioned above and needs more fast ones, but I could tell at the time he was the sort of guy who abjured fast ones because they weren't serious; that's why the two fast ones are a "Sledgehammer" knockoff and an extended conceit about his dick which I hope Rosanne Arquette liked (the conceit, that is). I loved the tour, still one of the grandest I've seen.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 June 2016 20:45 (three years ago) link

Also: he still had the aura of a mainstream star in '92-'93: the Miami Arena was sold out that night.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 June 2016 20:45 (three years ago) link

lol I deleted "kiss that frog" from my iTunes and the album is better for it.

looking through his catalog the proportion of "fast ones" to great ones doesn't seem unusually low fwiw. he's recorded some great uptempo tracks but that's not really what I look to him for.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 17 June 2016 21:00 (three years ago) link

i really hate burn you up, burn you down. talk about a bog standard, pg in a box track. blech

akm, Friday, 17 June 2016 21:37 (three years ago) link

Was Sting ever on a Disney soundtrack? Anyway the Gabriel tune from Wall-E was very nice I thought. Co-written by Randy Newman's cousin Thomas!

Thomas Newman!

it's sort of a layered stunt (sheesh), Friday, 17 June 2016 21:41 (three years ago) link

It wasn't the paucity of fast ones on albums that bothers me as their increasing desperation, as if he bowed to pressure to Write Some Hits. Remember "The Barry Williams Show"?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 June 2016 21:42 (three years ago) link

Thomas Newman is great, he's fashioned a nice little sound world for himself in film.

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Friday, 17 June 2016 21:53 (three years ago) link

It wasn't the paucity of fast ones on albums that bothers me as their increasing desperation, as if he bowed to pressure to Write Some Hits. Remember "The Barry Williams Show"?

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, June 17, 2016

ah gotcha. totally agreed then. and lol that's another one that is conspicuously absent from my library.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 17 June 2016 22:15 (three years ago) link

I don't hate Us. I bought it on CD when it came out, tho I must've sold it at some point. Production-wise it feels very heavy and adult – there is a slightly hermetically sealed vibe. At the same time, virtually all of the songs are drab therapy mumbo jumbo – as if he crossed the "Is he speaking to God or a person" rubicon of "In Your Eyes" and that was that. I mean, at least "Kiss That Frog" tries something else.

The only thing I unabashedly love on Us is "Blood of Eden" – which suffers from all of the above problems but just has a lovely melody and atmosphere. Incidentally Sinead toured w him at WOMAD when I saw him and got booed roundly. He went all "spiritual protector" with her – standing by her and glaring at the crowd disapprovingly.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 18 June 2016 01:52 (three years ago) link

i saw that tour as well, just a year or so after the US tour. it was great, and was the last time I saw him live until the So tour.

I like the orchestral covers record because the song choices are all pretty interesting, but the orchestral versions of his own songs are terrible, I just can't listen to it, it adds absolutely nothing. I assume there's a reason the new original album is like 15 years overdue at this point.

akm, Saturday, 18 June 2016 03:00 (three years ago) link

US is a recording of a man who's never had a conversation in his life, hence the marvel of therapy.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2016 03:17 (three years ago) link

Did you come talk to him?

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 18 June 2016 04:44 (three years ago) link

us is grebt, and not least because it was the soundtrack to my first oral sexing

not terribly into the 'fast' songs, but come talk to me, love to be loved, blood of eden and digging in the dirt are among his best

dude is 66 years old and has been musically active for 49 of them; y'all are pretty demanding about him breaking new ground in 2016 jeez

mookieproof, Saturday, 18 June 2016 05:40 (three years ago) link

Love Us, and loved the tour, my first proper BIG concert

((Was Sting ever on a Disney soundtrack?))

He wrote and recorded a bunch of songs for The Emperor's New Groove, all of which except two were cut, and one that was kept didn't have Sting on it. From Wikipedia:

After Sting's songs for Kingdom of the Sun were dropped from the new storyline, Sting remained on the project, though he was told by the studio that "All we want is a beginning and an end song." The song, "Perfect World", was approached "to open the movie with a big, fun number that established the power of Kuzco and showed how he controlled the world", according to Feature Animation president Thomas Schumacher. The filmmakers had asked Sting to perform the song for the film, though Sting declined telling them that he was too old to sing it and that they should find someone younger and hipper. They instead went with Tom Jones, who was eleven years older than Sting.

SlimAndSlam, Saturday, 18 June 2016 12:21 (three years ago) link

there's a very interesting unreleased documentary made by sting's wife about the whole thing

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Saturday, 18 June 2016 12:49 (three years ago) link

dude is 66 years old and has been musically active for 49 of them; y'all are pretty demanding about him breaking new ground in 2016 jeez

Yes tho the point I'm making is that he slowed up considerably when it came to breaking new ground around 42. It seems like a combination of age, commercial pressure and the whole Real World endeavor probably sucked a lot of inspiration out of him.

For me, those first four records are really a different beast than everything that came after – the sound of Genesis's frontman finding his way in the pop marketplace. So is an interesting record for sure – but it's got that same experimental vibe as the self-titled records (impressionistic songs, narratives about psychological experiments, etc.). Us to me is where he begins to leave all that behind.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 18 June 2016 13:18 (three years ago) link

Think it's fair enough to wonder what's going on with some of these guys (see also Bryan Ferry to an extent) when their studio output dries up in early middle age...a curiosity, rather than entitlement (hopefully)

Master of Treacle, Saturday, 18 June 2016 13:23 (three years ago) link

wonder why he's not on Spotify.

piscesx, Saturday, 18 June 2016 13:28 (three years ago) link

Bryan Ferry has actually been pretty prolific lately. I think he works like Gabriel does, starting sessions in fits and starts with various combinations of musicians, then spending a ton of time in the studio combing through the different takes and shaping the songs from them, which takes a lot of time. That's why they have such superstar credits. It's not like those cats are in the studio all at once, just dropping by for a day here and and a day there. I doubt they even know if they're on the record until the end, and even then, I wonder if they can always hear themselves.

Check out the credits of Ferry's latest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avonmore_(album)#Personnel

Then check out the credits on Gabriel's Up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_(Peter_Gabriel_album)#Personnel

He's always worked like this, but this is clearly an epic conflation of several different sessions cobbled together into an admittedly cohesive but maybe sort of inert album.

There's some great, great stuff on Up so I wouldn't say he's lost it. To me it really does go back to the rhythm. His more recent stuff is often more loop-y and plodding, less naturally dynamic.

The orchestral stuff I think it some of the dullest music ever made. His arrangements of his own music are dull, his covers are daft - why rearrange familiar songs into such radically new forms by jettisoning the melodies and arrangements, but keeping the lyrics? If he had just written new words no one would have known they were covers. Makes it seem gimmicky.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2016 13:35 (three years ago) link

Gabriel covering Elbow is like Will Smith covering Richard Blackwood's 'Who's Da Man'

PaulTMA, Saturday, 18 June 2016 14:26 (three years ago) link

"Think it's fair enough to wonder what's going on with some of these guys (see also Bryan Ferry to an extent) when their studio output dries up in early middle age...a curiosity, rather than entitlement (hopefully)"

I don't think it's that unusual, I think it's entirely natural that people's creativity slows down in middle age. People like McCartney are a real exception.

akm, Saturday, 18 June 2016 17:57 (three years ago) link

i guess I never paid attention to the credits on Up, I had no idea Tdchad blake or peter green were on it

akm, Saturday, 18 June 2016 18:52 (three years ago) link

His accent is weird, speaking voice that is. It's obviously a 'posh guy trying to lose his posh voice' accent but it's ended up coming out really odd. I'm trying to think what it's like but all I can come up with is a South African trying to impersonate Brian Eno.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 June 2016 19:12 (three years ago) link

I'll rep for his cover of "Listening Wind" on the orchestral album, the lone bright spot to me. It sounds like a Security-era experiment, and even the original could have come from PG 3.

dinnerboat, Saturday, 18 June 2016 20:25 (three years ago) link

The documentary SlimandSlam referenced is called The Sweatbox. Really terrific stuff! Buried for years, but a bootleg with a time odd was uploaded earlier this year.

Gabriel strikes me as being like Paddy McAloon of Prefab Sprout and Matt Johnson of The The in that I'm sure he has an enormous cache of unreleased material that had never been bootlegged

beamish13, Saturday, 18 June 2016 21:46 (three years ago) link

Really? I have honestly never thought I'd Gabriel that way at all. Does he usually release a lot of b-sides or anything that would suggest that?

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 18 June 2016 23:04 (three years ago) link

he probably has an enormous cache of unfinished stuff.

akm, Sunday, 19 June 2016 01:06 (three years ago) link

"Think it's fair enough to wonder what's going on with some of these guys (see also Bryan Ferry to an extent) when their studio output dries up in early middle age...a curiosity, rather than entitlement (hopefully)"

I don't think it's that unusual, I think it's entirely natural that people's creativity slows down in middle age. People like McCartney are a real exception.

ahahahaha... wait... can't tell if serious.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 20 June 2016 04:32 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I never would have predicted it, but the Peter Gabriel/Sting show tonight was pretty awesome.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 July 2016 05:25 (three years ago) link

i watched some youtube clips of this and then was sad that I'm going to miss it, because it looks pretty good. also sting sings Dancing with the Moonit Knight!

akm, Sunday, 10 July 2016 13:56 (three years ago) link

Yeah, part of it, at least, before Message in a Bottle. I was really impressed by the format, with combinations of Sting singing Sting, Gabriel singing Gabriel, Gabriel singing Sting, Sting singing Gabriel, and both often backing the other. Sting in particular seemed like he was having more fun than I've seen him have for years, often super happy just swinging his arms back with the backing singers, or playing bass (as he did on Big Time, with Tony Levin handling the synth bass). A lot of the times the guys not playing were still hanging on stage, singing and dancing and having a good time.

Back in the first couple of Lollapalooza iterations they made a big deal of acts guesting with each other, and certainly this kind of thing happened back when Gabriel and Sting were on the Human Rights Now tour, but it's been a while since I saw a collaborative tour, with this sort of musical chairs going on.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 July 2016 14:12 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

wow both the new songs that have come out recently (The Veil, today, and I'm Amazing, a few months ago) are not very good. They aren't terrible but they're hardly memorable or breaking any new territory. I'd like to think he's holding back on great things for the album but these give me zero hope, and I'm a huge fan.

akm, Friday, 9 September 2016 21:10 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

His catalog is finally on Spotify. Listening to the car album now.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 18 May 2018 17:00 (one year ago) link

I
WILL
FIND
OUT

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 May 2018 17:05 (one year ago) link

Why are all the songs on Us marked “explicit”? Did he go back and add a bunch of obscenities to bring it up to date?

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 18 May 2018 17:18 (one year ago) link

he says the word sex in digging in the dirt.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 May 2018 17:19 (one year ago) link

He went with the remixed versions, all of which feature DMX.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 18 May 2018 17:20 (one year ago) link

“Kiss That Frog”!

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 18 May 2018 17:21 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

man, Passion is close to topping my list of his best.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 September 2019 19:41 (one week ago) link

It's the last album he made where I don't skip at least one track.

akm, Thursday, 5 September 2019 20:01 (one week ago) link

I like Passion Sources even more.

dinnerboat, Thursday, 5 September 2019 20:06 (one week ago) link


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