Talk Talk (RIP Mark Hollis)

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What do you fellas think? I'm referring particularly to those two fine crinkle-cut chips, "spirit of eden" and "laughing stock".

, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

just off out on the lash, but i think SOE is total CLASSIC - but didn't like LS as much - ideas taken further becoming less effective.

like how instruments fade in before their bit,the voice, the intimacy, i believe in you is one of my alltime faves - remember Mark Goodier's interview with Catherine Wheel when they want to listen to 'Desire' and i go out and buy 'black metallic' coz i thought 'what great taste'.

i love the early singles too

geordie racer, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Genius, full stop. More cohesively: I enjoy _Laughing Stock_ more than _Spirit_, partially because I encountered the former first and have a greater familiarity with it, but also because I find it a very warm album in its playing and construction, one could call it. *thinks* For whatever reason it and _Kid A_ now seem to me to have a certain resemblance, almost as if _Laughing Stock_ was the pre-tech-obsessed equivalent. Hm...

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic, no question. Particularly those last two albums. Soundscapes so detailed and luxurious (but still sparse) you can really get lost in that music. Come to think of it, Ned is definitely onto something with the comparison with Kid A, both treading the fine line between structure and texture and content. I remember Mouse On Mars stating in some interview that they hold Laughing Stock to be one of their biggest influences and I guess you can hear that at least up to (and especially on) their albums on Sonig, Instrumentals and Glam.

Janne Vanhanen, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Incidentally, Q magazine put "laughing stock" in the "like this? try these?" section of their review of the fairly delightful "amnesiac"

, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

myrrhperson@hotmail.com

Hey, if you hadn't made a faovrable comparison between them and fried potatoes, no need to ask what you thought, eh? ;)

Genius, full stop

Yeah, that sums it up nicely,

scott p., Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Radiohead comparison is entirely fitting. I'd probably take it a couple steps further in saying that their careers have all but mirrored each other. (Mirror man? Hyuk hyuk.) Pablo Honey and The Bends being merely decent for their genre in the same manner as The Party's Over and It's My Life. Third album from each band stretched the boundaries by a somewhat-drastic degree, with the fourth and fifth taking things even further with the standard rock constructs being pushed more into the background. Both bands are thought of (at least in the US) as one-hit wonders. And then you have two lead singers with reputations as grumps...

So Talk Talk -- classic all the way. Laughing Stock is my personal favorite. Also love how other bands have picked up on them, from Bark Psychosis to some of Catherine Wheel's better moments. Ever hear the latter's "Thunderbird"? Completely lifts the drum pattern of "After the Flood," which means it's obviously one of the best things they've done. Then UNKLE sampled "New Grass" for the "Rabbit in the Headlights" single, which -- ta da -- brings us full circle due to Thom Yorke's vocal contribution to the same song.

Too bad Mark Hollis has decided to "retire". That solo record of his is brilliant.

Andy, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is the "mark hollis" album much cop, babes?

, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

In all fairness, I'd say "the bends" is slightly nicer in its ...um, stuff than "ok computer" but baby, you gotta hear that "amnesiac". It is rather lurverly.

, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

DIdn't they have a song called life's what you Make it?

Mike Hanley, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Now that y'all bring up these comparisons and points, I'm glad to see I wasn't alone in thinking that connection existed! It just suddenly struck me as I was typing my original response -- probably helped that I listened to _Amnesiac_ last night (good album, but strange running order).

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

SPIRIT OF EDEN is untouchably great.

alex in nyc, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic of course. I don't see the Radiohead connection quite as strongly as others; perhaps if the connection is mediated through Bark Psychosis?

I think my favourite Talk Talk album is "Spirit of Eden". "Laughing Stock" has greater highs ("Taphead", "New Grass" etc.) but it takes a while to get going and doesn't flow quite as well. "Spirit of Eden" on the other hand is stunning from the get-go - the trilogy never ceases to amaze me, and by the time the choirs on "I Believe In You" come on I feel like I'm floating in a sea of morphine.

However I feel it's necessary to state that the album prior to those two, "The Colour of Spring", is definitely necessary if you like "Spirit of Eden" and "Laughing Stock". It's more pop-friendly and has a greater reliance on song structures, but the songs are mad fun and the ambition and attention to detail had already begun to manifest. Songs such as "April 5th" and "Chameleon Day" wouldn't be too out of place on "Spirit of Eden".

Tim, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the live version of "Life's What You Make It" cuz it's got big fuck-off guitars in it unlike their other pussy shit!

tarden, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"It's My Life" sounds great on my K-Tel Star Collection album.

Patrick, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

what little i heard sounded like corey hart singing over a bunch of noodling hippies. what's the deal?

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I really like the fuck-off guitars during the beginning of "Ascension Day." In fact, those fuck-off guitars are some of my favorite fuck- off guitars recorded. They're just as fuck-off as anything made by Steve Albini.

Anyone else notice the way Hollis references other songs? "Does Caroline Know" ("Caroline, No"), Laughing Stock and "The Daily Planet" (Love), "Inside Looking Out" and "It's My Life" (Animals), "Mirror Man" (Beefheart)... I know there are more.

Andy, Saturday, 2 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

what little i heard sounded like corey hart singing over a bunch of noodling hippies

That's why they're so great. The Colour of Spring is one of my favorite records.

Otis Wheeler, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic. I listened to Spirit of Eden on the way into work today, and it still sounds as great as it ever did. The Radiohead comparisons make sense in terms of career arc, but I don't hear it musically.

Tim, I'm rather curious about the connection you see between Bark Psychosis and Radiohead. I'm a big BP fan but I've never really sensed their influence in Radiohead's stuff.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

For me, the R/Head (Kid A and Amnesiac) connection in heard in the odd time sigs/skew-whiff rhythms which are found on Spirit of Eden and LS. The Elbow album also has echoes of Talk Talk - again the rhythms and also the organ on some trax.

Dr. C, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Richard - in the (admittedly more rudimentary) embracing of electronics, the feelings of paranoia, the tightly-structured non-structure as Jason Ankeny says in the AMG Review, the way that the songs seem to "say" something about the world without actually doing so, or at least doing so in such an abstract manner as to make little difference (Mark Hollis is much more on the social commentary tip, but the music doesn't *feel* like it). The instrumentalisation of dissonance in the service of order - compare say "National Anthem" to "Eyes And Smiles". Certainly I'd say all the similarities that Radiohead have to Talk Talk they also have to Bark Psychosis (who are clearly Talk Talk's more direct descendants), but with added similarities as well.

And, maybe just the fact that Bark Psychosis and Radiohead seem to still bear some allegiance to post-punk, which to my mind is totally non-existent in Talk Talk (in all three a matter of residual evidence of past incarnations).

Tim, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you like Talk Talk, you all should check out O-rang--it's (I believe) a few of the guys from Talk Talk doing more instrumental/world/dubby/textural stuff. I only have one album, called Herd of Instinct, but it makes for an awesome listen. Weirdly enough, I got it from this teeny record store in Williamsburg that was trying to get rid of its promos--I saw that one, the name rang (no pun intended) a bell, and I yanked it. And I'm glad I did. Not too sure how readily available it is, though, but if you'd like a copy, I could burn it for you.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ditto on O-rang. Even through the murk of my badly recorded tape it's still a fine album. There were rumours that Graham Sutton from Bark Psychosis was going to be working with them on a new album but I've no idea what came of them.

Re. Radiohead and Bark Psychosis. Yes, they do have elements in common, the paranoia being the most obvious one, but they seem to have taken them in different directions. Late-period Radiohead is much more claustrophobic than Bark Psychosis; there's an feeling of the whole world weighing down on you, and the music tries to encompass that world. Whereas BP's stuff has much more light and space about it and seems to contain an acknowledgement that there is a world outside that isn't touched by the paranoia and that it is escapable to. Even after Kid A and Amnesiac, I can't imagine Radiohead putting out anything like Hex (the song) with it's huge wall of static that abruptly gives way to the gentlest shimmer.

I suppose that what I'm arguing is that they do share elements, but these are more likely to be derived from a common root rather than BP acting as a mediator from Talk Talk to Radiohead.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I exchanged some emails with Graham Sutton a few months ago. He said he's been sporadically working on a solo record (in name, not Boymerang). Lee Harris is drumming on it, apparently -- right fucking on. Seems like he's pulling a Scott Walker by taking his sweet old time.

The O.Rang guys made this weird dice game called Go-Rang. It came with all sorts of tiny gadgets and some rather detailed instructions in the form of a dinky scroll. If anyone should happen to have BP's "Clawhammer" flexi or the release that has "Reserve Shot Gunman," I'd be more than happy to part with my extra Go-Rang.

Andy, Wednesday, 6 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark Hollis' singing 'the wealth of love' in "Wealth" is the zaniest sound ever emitted from human mouth.

Dave, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
if "laughing stock" has to be, it should be an instrumental album.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 7 June 2003 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

"has to be" = "cannot not exist". (what i'm saying is that i don't like the vocals.)

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 7 June 2003 12:59 (nineteen years ago) link

you like the vocals on the other talk talk albums?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 7 June 2003 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the only other talk talk i know is "its my life", which i don't think i've heard in years so i'm not sure. but the vocals aren't doing the same kind of work on "life" that they are on LS.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Saturday, 7 June 2003 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

the new bark psychosis album is done. it just needs a method of reaching peoples' ears at the moment, and i don't think parlophone is the way it's gonna happen. this could turn out to be the best album of 2003 that has no record label ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

and i am pretty sure lee harris is drumming on it, as well as it featuring the old dude who played vibes on hex.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Saturday, 7 June 2003 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

mitch, you probably wouldn't like any of the other talk talk albums then, either. I think hollis' vocals work exceptionally well, their texture fits with the music harmonically, and he doesn't bleat all over the arrangements the way, say, david sylvian might if given the same songs (I like sylvian, but I'm just using him as a comparison).

I have not actually listened to orang, which practically is talk talk w/out vocals...has anyone else? how does it measure up?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 7 June 2003 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Short answer on Orang = fantastic, wonderful. Not really Talk Talk without vocals, but I think of it this way -- you compare Mark H.'s solo album vs. the Orang albums and it's pretty easy to see who brought what from Laughing Stock. It's not an exact split by any means, but there's a general formalism/expansive organic flow division.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 June 2003 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

the new bark psychosis album is done. it just needs a method of reaching peoples' ears at the moment, and i don't think parlophone is the way it's gonna happen. this could turn out to be the best album of 2003 that has no record label ...

and i am pretty sure lee harris is drumming on it, as well as it featuring the old dude who played vibes on hex.

How did you find out about this?

Evan (Evan), Sunday, 8 June 2003 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

the new bark psychosis album is done. it just needs a method of reaching peoples' ears at the moment, and i don't think parlophone is the way it's gonna happen. this could turn out to be the best album of 2003 that has no record label ...

What kind of record deal are they looking for? (being serious here. feel free to email me)

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 8 June 2003 08:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't imagine that a hundred indie labels wouldn't be clamoring to put this out; rocketgirl I'm sure would, as would the music fellowship (yellow6's label), but I'm guessing that they're probably looking for someone who will give them some (well deserved) money.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Sunday, 8 June 2003 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Four finished-sounding songs have been on Soulseek for the past several months. Not a big break from the past -- similar drift to the tempos, big open spaces, whispered vox (male and female), etc. They're somewhere between the early singles and Hex in almost every aspect (including quality).

Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

This is manifestly a Good Thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

The 03.06.03 entry on this page goes into detail about each song. Admittedly the post was written rather hastily.

Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 8 June 2003 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Jon Attwood (Yellow6) is co-owner of MakeMineMusic, not The Music Fellowship. two fine labels; different continents.

just to tie things together (and keep this post OT), Sutton contributed ("guitar") to both O.rang albums. he also provided a great Boymerang 12" remix of "p53" on Echo(UK)/Hit it!(US). i don't believe this track was ever anthologized on CD. hmm. a disc compiling all the Boymerang remixes would be such a nice thing. though i've hunted and collected them devotedly.

new Bark Psychosis. oh, glory!

summerslastsound, Monday, 9 June 2003 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, so about a year ago I heard "New Grass" on college radio & said "Oh boy this sounds like Sea & Cake, who is it?" and then when I found out I went to the hipster record store & listened to "Laughing Stock" but apart from that one song the album felt way way sparse and slow and uninteresting. So I didn't buy. Did I miss something?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 9 June 2003 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

no.

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 9 June 2003 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link

(note: i will listen to it a second time before my opinion turns to concrete, but for now i'm enjoying being crabby.)

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Monday, 9 June 2003 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Mitch don't make us get all dave matthews fan on your ass.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 9 June 2003 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

What kind of record deal are they looking for? (being serious here. feel free to email me)

the bark psychosis album may be released through the web!

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Monday, 9 June 2003 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

"(note: i will listen to it a second time before my opinion turns to concrete, but for now i'm enjoying being crabby.)"

Mitch you probably don't want to hear this but I reckon you should have started with Spirit of Eden instead - it's a more deliberately beautiful record so it makes it easier to get a handle of what Talk Talk are doing that is good.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 9 June 2003 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link

JESUS, I enjoyed Spirit Of Eden more than I ever thought I would, but I'm SHOCKED there's so little discussion of Talk Talk by Talk Talk off of Talk Talk. That song is fucking genius.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 9 June 2003 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

It's EASILY the first song that comes to mind when I think of these guys. They're really mad in the video(s), and the drummer has a Mark Lindsay ponytail!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 9 June 2003 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Did I miss something?

Yes you did. This has nothing to do with the fact that I regard the Sea and Cake with at most a shrug, of course. *hides from Josh* (More seriously, Tim's advice to Mitch is sound, Jaymc -- and Anthony is right in that the early stuff is equally genius in a different world; heard "It's My Life" out at brunch yesterday and remembered again how great it is. However, there is no album actually called Talk Talk, that's a mistake from MST3K. ;-))

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Just started

Time to listen to Spirit of Eden

No tweets from me, no guests. Just the music

Use #TimsTwitterListeningParty if you would like to share memories pic.twitter.com/PDh0O09h2O

— Tim Burgess (@Tim_Burgess) January 25, 2021

groovypanda, Monday, 25 January 2021 21:07 (one year ago) link

Still struggle to read the writing though 🤔 pic.twitter.com/c7bH6XQNQK

— Peter Bale (@ftodg) January 25, 2021

Backwards-sloping handwriting is so weird.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 29 January 2021 20:37 (one year ago) link

he writes his lyrics like he sings them

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Friday, 29 January 2021 20:51 (one year ago) link

The cassette had typed lyrics!

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 29 January 2021 20:55 (one year ago) link

Left handed?

Mark G, Friday, 29 January 2021 21:02 (one year ago) link

"The cassette had typed lyrics!"

Made me laugh, not really sure why.

djh, Friday, 29 January 2021 21:12 (one year ago) link

I guess it's an unexpected bonus of buying an inferior format.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 29 January 2021 21:14 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Tonight at 8pm (U.K. time) pic.twitter.com/TcvRgaci0P

— Tim's Listening Party (@LlSTENlNG_PARTY) February 25, 2021

groovypanda, Thursday, 25 February 2021 12:49 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

I keep hearing boomer tracks that remind me of "The Colour of Spring"-era Talk Talk. The first one was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpXG23PlvF4

Which I guess makes sense, given a) Winwood is kind of a ground zero vocal reference, from Gabriel to Hollis, and b) he actually plays on "The Colour of Spring." But the other was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Omu_QYb4Q

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 October 2021 22:58 (eleven months ago) link

The Winwood seems like it has more similarities to the It's My Life era, with the fretless bass and a funkier rhythm than they used on the next album. The biggest similarity with the Plant song is using the piano as bass, as in "Life's What You Make It"; I guess there is a general aura of sonic luxury and heavy studio expense to both.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 23 October 2021 23:41 (eleven months ago) link

Spanish Dancer, from the same album as Night Train, is very Talk Talky, imo.

fetter, Monday, 25 October 2021 10:50 (eleven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

i seem to recall reading in a british music mag around the early 2000s about just exactly how they got all that feedback for "after the flood."

(from what i remember)

it was some fringe japanese-engineered thing. the way it was described, it sounded more like a computer than a musical instrument. and apparently they had quite a time just getting the thing to the recording studio in the first place.

does anyone remember this? or know more specifics?

in any case, i remember it being a great subplot in the greater story.

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Friday, 12 November 2021 20:07 (ten months ago) link

i don't think there was mention of it in Phill Brown's book but I can go reread the laughingstock part

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Friday, 12 November 2021 20:24 (ten months ago) link

The story I've heard is that it was a breath controller for a synth which malfunctioned when they cued it up for a solo, but they left it recording and decided it was just what the track needed.

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 12 November 2021 20:47 (ten months ago) link

(from another forum) Mojo, March 2006 interview with Tim Friese-Greene: Four minutes into the song After The Flood, a 75-second gap awaited a solo. Hollis reached for the Variophon, a German, breath-controlled synthesizer which made Talk Talk's distinctive brass-banshee/distressed-elephant sounds. "They were the most unreliable machines ever made," notes Tim. "Originally, Mark had a part for the solo which spanned the whole section and was just two notes. He played it through a very large amplifier and the Variophon was clearly malfunctioning, jumping between octaves randomly and producing all sorts of internal feedback. We listened back to it and thought, This is too much, and stripped it down to one note. That was the only possible solo that could go there. I was out in the studio tweaking the amplifier and I heard this one note roaring back through the amp and I remember thinking, This is the end. This is as far as we can go. After one note there's no notes. This will be the last album we make."

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 12 November 2021 20:49 (ten months ago) link

Interesting that none of the records feature a credit for the Variophon, they might have wanted to keep it a secret as their own special sonic tool.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 12 November 2021 21:06 (ten months ago) link

aahhh thank you, mattt!! seems i might have mixed it up with something else.

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Friday, 12 November 2021 21:14 (ten months ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFgwQDtSmns

Maresn3st, Saturday, 4 December 2021 23:41 (ten months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpUaDOtknzs

Maresn3st, Saturday, 11 December 2021 14:54 (nine months ago) link

five months pass...

New Held By Trees album Solace is excellent and includes quite a few musicians from latter Talk Talk/Mark Hollis sessions

https://www.psychedelicbabymag.com/2022/03/held-by-trees-interview-david-joseph-new-album-solace.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeRWoLyizjc

groovypanda, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 07:43 (four months ago) link

Might check it out, but Talk Talk is maybe the worst band ever for new acts being compared to them falling pitifully short of the level

imago, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 07:46 (four months ago) link

Happiness really isn't easy

imago, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 07:46 (four months ago) link

solid album

nxd, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 08:19 (four months ago) link

agreed, this is great. thanks for posting, gp!

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 14:41 (four months ago) link

it's a pretty good album. last track gets a bit wanky in the guitar department and is def. more Dire Straits-y than Talk Talk but I still like it.

akm, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 14:46 (four months ago) link

yeah definitely prefer the more sparse moments, but hey . . .

Happiness really isn't easy

― imago, Wednesday, May 18, 2022 12:46 AM

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 14:50 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

About 3/4 of the way into this Mark Hollis biog. Kinda interesting as he comes across poorly a lot of the time, some people say he was an earnest, funny geezer and sometimes a bit moody other reports render him a bully, sullen, a mean drunk.

Maresn3st, Saturday, 4 June 2022 12:49 (four months ago) link

Can quite easily imagine all those things being true.

Zelda Zonk, Saturday, 4 June 2022 13:05 (four months ago) link

He'd get especially sullen when he'd read this thread and see his records referred to as crinkle-cut chips.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 4 June 2022 13:54 (four months ago) link

Surprisingly this does not seem to be available to buy as an ebook. Physical edition is too $$$ for me ok afraid

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 4 June 2022 15:28 (four months ago) link

To be honest you're not missing much (so far, at least imho) there's not much of a tale to tell it would seem and what is there is told in a boilerplate fashion.

Maresn3st, Saturday, 4 June 2022 15:34 (four months ago) link

That’s the other thing… if the stir around it was more positive the cost wouldn’t be such an issue.

So glad we got phill brown’s book.

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 4 June 2022 16:30 (four months ago) link

Yeah that and Spirit of Talk Talk seem to be all you need.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 June 2022 16:41 (four months ago) link

There's a lot about Ed Hollis in the earlier part of the book (naturally), he seemed like a really interesting cat and I didn't know that he had such a big hand in Mark's early stages.

Maresn3st, Saturday, 4 June 2022 16:54 (four months ago) link

What's the Phill Brown book?

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 4 June 2022 18:34 (four months ago) link

It's a great overview of Brown's work -- the Robert Palmer stories alone are really revelatory, further underscores just how underrated Palmer was, frankly -- and by the time the Talk Talk/Hollis records start happening you get a sense of someone who has really become a master of his craft working for a band that knows they want to next level further.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 June 2022 18:38 (four months ago) link

Oh, that looks terrific. Thank you!

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 4 June 2022 23:49 (four months ago) link

It will also make you want to pull out John Martyn and Stomu Yamashta

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 5 June 2022 03:34 (four months ago) link

One World and Go specifically

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 5 June 2022 03:35 (four months ago) link

Finding 'A Perfect Silence' pretty enjoyable so far. It's written in a simple, straightforward way but competently--certainly not trying to be poetical or of a piece with the feeling of Talk Talk as an artwork in its own right, but that might be tiresome past essay-length. I supposed I tend to be moderately ignorant of the "histories" of most artists I like, tending to focus on just the music itself, but this is still engaging stuff. I'm just pre-major-commercial-breakthrough now, looking forward to chapters on the last two albums and 'Mark Hollis'.

The introduction raises the question of whether an author should pry into the life of someone who was very private... and just kind of leaves the ethical implications out there (while obviously having determined internally it was kosher to move forward). But thus far, the book mostly covers professional relationships and musical processes, without overly speculating on personal/private/inner life. Maybe it goes into that more, later (for better or worse)?

Soundslike, Sunday, 5 June 2022 20:47 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

I just got Talk Talk's Spirit of Eden, remastered, on CD. Previously listened on Spotify on headphones. Now I'm listening on my stereo and my goodness - what a difference! This record needs to fill a room. And it needs to be LOUD. Like, as loud as you can handle.

What a fantastic album.

The Ghost Club, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 05:27 (two weeks ago) link

Yup, one of the first things I played on my new speakers. My downstairs neighbor even texted me saying how stoked he was to hear me playing it... did not expect that.

octobeard, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 06:52 (two weeks ago) link

I love that. What a cool neighbour!

The Ghost Club, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 08:32 (two weeks ago) link

I reckon I got into this hard as a kid because my dad would absolutely blast it in the car. Not only filling a room, but a particularly small one

imago, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 09:06 (two weeks ago) link

I have been known to play Laughing Stock at nuclear volumes, the recording comes to life when the instruments are as loud as they were in the studio.

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 12:50 (two weeks ago) link

While we're on the subject, a podcast called Hold Onto The Colours has episodes from this year that feature (separately) Phill Brown, Tim Friese-Greene and Ben Wardle.

Supposed Former ILM Lurker (WeWantMiles), Tuesday, 20 September 2022 14:09 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks for the Phill Brown interview recommendation. Brilliant interview. I really must read the book.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Sunday, 25 September 2022 11:38 (one week ago) link

i bought this today purely because of the Tim Friese-Greene production credit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9YiYDG71xw

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sixthtimelucky - 7 years ago
Dreadful then... dreadful now haha :)

Derek Ritchie - 5 years ago
I agree, and I was the drummer!

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 25 September 2022 14:53 (one week ago) link

30p and i still feel like i was robbed

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Sunday, 25 September 2022 14:55 (one week ago) link


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