The Monkees: Classic or Dud?

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According to the search, this vital question has never been asked. I think they were stone genius which probably couldn't have existed without the Beatles but was about five hundred bazillion times more entertaining. How can you deny the genius of tracks like "Pleasant Valley Sunday", "Words", "Last Train To Clarksville", "Randy Scouse Git", "Star Collector", "Girl I Knew Somewhere", "I'm A Believer", "Goin' Down", "For Pete's Sake", "She", "Mary, Mary", "What Am I Doing Hangin' Round", etc etc etc.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

shit, you even have to ask? CLASSIQUE. until 1970 or so. "sweet young thing" is my personal favorite.

your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

"sweet young thing" = drone pop before just about anyone else.

your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Absolute CLASSIC but you'd have to be a pretty strong anti-Beatle to find them more entertaining. Name some Monkee girlfriends!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Headquarters was fantastic .. but "Daily Nightly" is a great song with Moog - I always wished The Fall or Pere Ubu would cover it.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

monkees are grebt.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been thinking of doing this for ages - in fact ever since we had a discussion about the first use of the Moog in pop. (Can't remember the thread - sinkah might). Can't remember the track - ha! It was either Daily Nightly or Star Collector.

Anyway, back to the question - Classic, of course. My favourites would have to be Headquarters (You Just Might Be The One/Shades Of Grey/For Pete's Sake/Early Morning Blues and Greens), and PAC+J (Salesman, Door Into Summer, Pleasant Valley Sunday, What Am I Doin'..), but I love virtually everything they did.

Favorite Monkee : Micky Dolenz.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

NO! Mike Nesmith!!! Weren't Daily Nightly/Star Collector on the same recod anyway?

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

the monkees invented hip hop. search: "zilch" & "mary mary".
the monkees invented punk & boy bands. search: "stepping stone", "daydream believer" & the template for both the sex pistols and the backstreet boys.
the monkees invented music videos. not just because of their TV show, but mike nesmith invented the precursor to MTV anyway, for real.
davy jones forced david jones to invent david bowie.

there's a wicked davy jones can't dance thread on the "i hate everything" board, by the way.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

for a bubblegum band, the Monkees had a strange aptitude for haunting, yearning sounds, mostly carried on Mickey's beautiful white soul voice. Through the filter of 35 years, a lot of their stuff has developed the same poignant and elegiac feel that the Carpenters are regularly praised for.

"As We Go Along" is so perfect it almost makes me swoon, particularly when coupled with the footage from "Head" of Peter walking into the snow. Even after Nesmith and Tork had left they could still achieve moments like "Ticket on a Ferry Ride", a shivering, crestfallen lament that matches up to anything from the early years. In between was a lot of fun and possibly too many syrupy Jones ballads.

the Monkees are everything!

pulpo, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

**Weren't Daily Nightly/Star Collector on the same recod anyway?**

yes, but I can't remember which was recorded first.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic, as long as Mickey, not Davey, is singing lead. Davey sings crap. Best song in the world: "(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone"

Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic, I think, though I don't have much desire to hear them most of the time, so maybe not that classic.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll go with Nick A. Mickey was the shit. Though Davey does have "Daydream Believer" and "Daddy's Song" to his benefit.

Pool it!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I want so bad to say "dud", but good God their songs are catchier than herpes in a whorehouse.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

What's with the Davy-hate? Yeah, he was pandering to the heart-throb set, but he sings lead on "Valleri" (home of the most self-consciously fiddly guitar solo EVAH), "Star Collector", "Daydream Believer", "Look Out! Here Comes Tomorrow", and "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You".

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

wow i like something that dan perry likes! what a strange day this is turning out to be already.

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

YAY! The Monkees = ILM's great equalizer! (I'm amazed that there hasn't been an outbreak of Monkee-hate yet.)

Secret fantastic Monkee's song: "Your Auntie Griselda". How many Peter songs are there, anyway?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Anutie Griselda was it, except for Zilch ...

Davy hataz need to listen to "Early Morning Blues and Greens" ..
..My steaming coffe warms my face/ I'm disappointed in the taste ...

..but in general, yeah, I fuckin' hated Davy Jones. Mickey & Mike were the band...

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

that song "daily nightly" off the "pisces/aquarius/capricorn/jones" album is psycho-delphic!

doorag, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

dr c it wz a byrds thread, i think

fritz you forgot: mike nesmith's mum invented tippex

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

You mean Liquid Paper?

The 33 1/3 Revolutions Per Monkee documentary was a trip.

call mr. lee (call mr. lee), Thursday, 19 December 2002 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

The records, of course being manufactured pop, are not particularly immune to filler and otherwise bits of bad taste. But for the most part, I'd say classic. And the film "Head", as well as the accompanying ost, is superb.

And if you haven't heard "Zor and Zam" - from "The Birds The Bees & The Monkees" - do so at once. They do a SPOT-ON imitation of "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane, and Dave (I believe it's him singing it) sounds so much like Grace Slick it's scarey. Shivers are sent to my spine just thinking of it.

Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 19 December 2002 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link

It's Mickey. The albums they controlled didn't have too much crap on them.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 19 December 2002 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link

My Top 5:

1) What Am I Doing Hangin' Round?
2) Daydream Believer
3) Sometime in the Morning
4) Love Is Only Sleeping
5) Look Out Here Comes Tomorrow

Joe (Joe), Thursday, 19 December 2002 04:46 (nineteen years ago) link

The live version of CircleSky = none more punk!

Rayas Blancas, Thursday, 19 December 2002 09:45 (nineteen years ago) link

other peter songs - "for pete's sake", "do I have to do this all over again". both fantastic.

pulpo, Thursday, 19 December 2002 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"Last Train to Clarkesville has been written & we can only live with our own imperfection" - Robert Forster

Classic of course (apart from "Listen to the Band")

bham, Thursday, 19 December 2002 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

And how imperfect they were.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 19 December 2002 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

They're not bad but I never listen to them. Actually they're pretty much the worst group I'd still say was good - they're kind of like the VU in that they invented everything but it still doesn't make their songs all that great.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 19 December 2002 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Which song is it from Head that has the lyrics "You say we're manufactured/To that we all agree"? I remember thinking that was much more brutal that "Public Image".

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Leave it to a Carter fan to say the Monkees songs are not that great.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

The only band I ever listen to on vinyl (mother's old records). One of the all time greats, obviously, why can't all bands be as good as that? Seriously, all manufactured bands should be this good- you get the best band members, best session musicians, best lyricists... and you get something as deific as "Pleasant Valley Sunday". Nowadays... well, we don't.

The TV show was cack, though.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

"Pleasant Valley Sunday" is smarmy.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 19 December 2002 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"(I'm Not Your) Steeping Stone" is very much overrated, especially in its Proto Punk role- it's just a slightly poppier Garage Rock tune that happened to get covered by The Sex Pistols.

The Monkees are endlessly fun to analyse, but pretty uneven as far as pure listening enjoyment goes fer me. Even the Rhino best of has a few stinkers (I mean, "I Wanna Be Free", wtf?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 19 December 2002 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I was in the car with my mother once and the radio had a little interview snippet with them about how "Last Train To Clarksville" was intended as commentary on Vietnam. (They were opposed, I guess.) It was the most political they could be without upsetting the suits. My mother and I listened to the song and tried to figure out how anyone was ever supposed to pick up on that. She said it certainly didn't seem political at the time.

Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 19 December 2002 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Monkees = good music/great tv
what since has dared?

horace mann, Friday, 20 December 2002 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been playing "auntie grizelda" a ton lately...such a fine song. the only monkeys songs I have are on my gf's tapes from when she was a youngster.. . I have to get some.

anyhow, definitely classic. I for one like the tv show, though I've only seen the same 4 episodes over and over again. I approve of Head.

nick ring (nick ring), Friday, 20 December 2002 06:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Best connection ever: Listen to the Monkees' "Sweet Young Thing" and then Loop's "Heaven's End"

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Friday, 20 December 2002 06:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i must get head at the video store.

di smith (lucylurex), Friday, 20 December 2002 08:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Whenever I say that they throw me out...

Prude, Friday, 20 December 2002 08:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Gonzo from crawlspace gave me head once, it was great!

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 December 2002 08:48 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Private joke that which prob Di didn't even get

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 10:31 (seventeen years ago) link

No, she would've actually.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 10:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Listening to "Birds Bees Monkees" now, "The Poster" is a pretty funny idea, the Beatles did "Mr Kite" so let's do a song about a circus poster too

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

A Monkees thread without a single mention of Neil Diamond?

shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

classic when rodney bingenheimer sits in with them

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The non-Tork songs from Head are beautiful of course but my aboslute favorite, and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet, is Randy Scouse Git from Headquarters. I've always thought of it as in the vein of,though superior,to most Kinks songs. Dolenz' lead vocals on the track are furious and fun. The song has a neat structure as well, nice old-timey piano intro and outro, contrasted sharply by the punk rock chorus.

theodore fogelsanger, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
(Way after the fact I know, but Theodore I mentioned "Randy Scouse Git" in the question text!)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 August 2004 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

hh my...so you did. well I'm sorry I neglected to notice that but I don't regret going slightly further into the subject of Randy Scouse Git's greatness.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Saturday, 14 August 2004 04:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Nilsson wrote "The Story of Rock'n'Roll" for the Monkees, who attempted it during the Headquarters sessions, but never got so far as a vocal. The Turtles ended up flopping with it as a non-LP single just prior to putting out "Elenore". The Turtles version is notable for the debut of Flo & Eddie's "Incredi-Voices" high backing vocals, later to feature in a # of T.Rex hits and album cuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqrcGouxWd4

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 1 January 2022 02:03 (two weeks ago) link

I’m only just on Setting Up the Studio for “Randy Scouse Git” so it will be a while before I get to that one I assume.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 02:05 (two weeks ago) link

Read somewhere that the reason we have all this Monkees product is that around the time of The New Monkees, Raybert won back the rights and turned around and sold them to Rhino.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 02:12 (two weeks ago) link

Sorry: Setting Up the Studio for "Alternative Title."

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 02:18 (two weeks ago) link

Monkees Chat transcibed here: https://monkees.coolcherrycream.com/songs/monkee-chat-studio-dialogue
There are some ? marks for one of the speakers, but clearly it is Chip Douglas.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 02:28 (two weeks ago) link

Man, the backing vox on "Shades of Gray" are tight! Almost inclined to drink the Ron Hicklin Kool-Aid on this one, but every reputable source says Davy, Peter and Micky, which my ears are telling me too if I listen closely.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 21:58 (two weeks ago) link

Read somewhere that the reason we have all this Monkees product is that around the time of The New Monkees, Raybert won back the rights and turned around and sold them to Rhino.

According to Sandoval book, what happened Schneider & Rafelson approached Columbia Pictures with the idea of doing a extended new cut of Easy Rider, only to find out that all the outtakes (technically the property of Raybert/BBS) had been removed from Columbia's warehouse and destroyed. They sued and won, getting all the Monkees stuff back from the studio, which they then sold to Rhino, who'd already done some deep-dive Monkees reissues. Ironically, Sony Pictures Television (sister company to Columbia Pictures) still handles the show in syndication.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 1 January 2022 22:46 (two weeks ago) link

I'm not exactly sure how the music rights worked out, because the Screen Gems/Colpix music library was spun away from RCA and got rebranded as part of Bell Records, which became part of Arista, who did the initial mainstream '80s Monkees reissues and maybe Pool It?

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 1 January 2022 22:55 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks. Do you have the older edition of that book, or the new supersized version?

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 22:56 (two weeks ago) link

I had the older one, which I got as remainder.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 1 January 2022 23:01 (two weeks ago) link

Cool, because now that one seems to be fodder for my $900 Grandmothers thread.

I remember me or a roommate having The Monkees Greatest Hits or whatever on Arista and not digging “Shades of Gray” or “Listen to the Band” which to me both sounded out of place, whereas now “Shades of Gray” sounds great to me in context on Headquarters. I don’t know what magic Rhino had to do to get all the rights squared away but it certainly is some kind of Lord’s Work for the poor listener. On a related note, I just looked at a record earlier today on 45cat that was originally on Red Bird I think, and saw that the publishing was Trio, which I happen know was Leiber and Stoller, but they had pieces lots of different publishing companies, so many so that I think once Jerry said “only Mike can keep track of it.”

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 23:09 (two weeks ago) link

Oh, it was "Chapel of Love" I was looking at, or, more exactly it's B-side, "Ain't That Nice," which was not written by them, but Earl King. There was another time I was looking at the sheet music for some standard, can't recall which right now, and I could see three or four publishing companies on there, most of which I associated with them, so I assume it was one of their latter-day acquisitions.

To bring it back to The Monkees: although it was writen by Leiber and Stoller, "D.W. Washburn" was published by Screen Gems I see, but the B-side of the later, better Coasters version is published by Trio as expected.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 23:26 (two weeks ago) link

"Shades of Gray" is one my favourite Monkees' songs. As is "Listen to the Band".

I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Saturday, 1 January 2022 23:37 (two weeks ago) link

I know, I know. I am one of those old, shallow Monkees fans who really only liked the most obvious bubblegum and garage numbers and The Stone Poneys, "Different Drum," only just now having my eleventh hour Come to Papa Nez moment. FP me if you like.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 January 2022 23:42 (two weeks ago) link

I guess I am trying to say that they were ill-served by that hits collection I had, which had a somewhat similar effect as The Beatles Red & Blue collections, although obviously a lot shorter. Even if the songs on it were good there was something off about the sequencing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkees_Greatest_Hits

I don't remember the regular albums being available at the time, it's not like when I bought my used The Notorious Byrd Brothers there were copies on display or even in the racks of Headquarters and Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd..

But just noticed More Greatest Hits of The Monkees, which looks really good. Maybe if I had come across a copy of that back in the day, things would have been different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Greatest_Hits_of_The_Monkees

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 01:20 (two weeks ago) link

^^Killer tracklisting.

Rhino eventually handled the vinyl reissues of the regular albums in the mid-'80s; according to the later CD liners, their edition of Changes was only charting version, as the O.G. version tanked.

Prior to that, it seems like the earlier albums wouldn't have been a high priority to reissue, as they had to be pretty easy to find used. The earlier Rhino releases from the catalogue were strictly rarities/unreleased comps.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 2 January 2022 02:50 (two weeks ago) link

So you are saying I could have bought those records, I just wasn’t looking for them and they weren’t being presented to me. I guess I was also aware of the eventual Rhino reissues and probably of the MTV screenings but nothing and no one was compelling me to buy them. How many degrees of separation was I from The Monkees revival I wonder. Probably only two. No doubt someone I couldn’t keep up with like an April March was into them but I was a bit behind the curve as with Serge Gainsbourg etc.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 03:41 (two weeks ago) link

Come to think of it at some point I bought my own copy of Then & Now to replace my roommates Arista album, but I still didn't quite get deep into it. The track list looks mostly all right to me now with a few problems, but still I never got the message that their albums were actually good. I wonder if The Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows has a name for this.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 03:59 (two weeks ago) link

I was lucky, I heard "Valleri" in like 1986 and never looked back, always liked them and had a 100-minute mixtape from a friend that I listened to a lot

chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Sunday, 2 January 2022 04:10 (two weeks ago) link

So you are saying I could have bought those records, I just wasn’t looking for them and they weren’t being presented to me.

No. If anything I was musing on why that music had seemingly been consigned to the scrap bin of history, AKA cheapie bins, thrift stores, Goodwill etc. before Rhino stepped in and treated the catalogue with respect and scholarship.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 2 January 2022 04:27 (two weeks ago) link

Okay, thanks. I never had the full-on crate-digger dumpster diver instinct, so I would tend to go to the, not necessarily higher end but at least somewhat curated used record stores, where in my experience that stuff was nowhere to be found.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 04:35 (two weeks ago) link

I imagine Monkees lps were the Hootie CDs of their day.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 2 January 2022 04:47 (two weeks ago) link

Do you think in a Rhino-less they would have comeback just not at the same level, or would they be consigned to limbo à la Dave Clark?

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 04:58 (two weeks ago) link

bit of an unfair comparison imo, Dave Clark got screwed by their publishers so there were never any reissues at all iirc?

chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Sunday, 2 January 2022 05:05 (two weeks ago) link

I think it was Dave Clark himself who caused a lot of his own problems by not playing nice with reissuers.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 05:07 (two weeks ago) link

ah ok, wasn't totally sure of the specifics there

chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Sunday, 2 January 2022 05:08 (two weeks ago) link

Anyway, I was partly trolling, mostly thinking out loud. To answer my own question, I’d say a lot of it might have happened the same way, played out the same way, but maybe on a somewhat slightly smaller scale, and there might have been some lingering bitter aftertaste without had not Rhino acquired the rights and done right by them with the deluxe treatment.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 05:12 (two weeks ago) link

Seems to me most acts eventually escape the cut-out bin somehow, with the exception of, say, Vikki Carr: POX.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 05:15 (two weeks ago) link

The more I think about this, it was inevitable.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 05:30 (two weeks ago) link

I agree. '60s nostalgia was really blowing up, their songs were popping up in After Hours and The Wonder Years, CDs were starting to happen...

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 2 January 2022 06:49 (two weeks ago) link

Watched this Tork on Letterman in '82 video this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfSuwTGpV5Q

In the main interview (starting around 11 minutes in) Peter mentions that the first four albums had blown up again in Japan, which of course leads to the reunion question.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 2 January 2022 16:55 (two weeks ago) link

Cool, thanks. He does a stumble entrance, nice.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 17:45 (two weeks ago) link

This interview is good! Think the band was
playing "One Nation Under a Groove" during one of the breaks.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 17:52 (two weeks ago) link

Wonder how many songs Micky sounds like Grace Slick on. "Daily Nightly" and "Zor and Zam" for sure.

A Little Bit Meme, a Little Bit URL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

As We Go Along is another. Maybe my fave monkees song.

ColinO, Sunday, 2 January 2022 18:04 (two weeks ago) link

Good one!

(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Razor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 18:08 (two weeks ago) link

Is Bobby Hart's book, Psychedelic Bubblegum any good? I see mixed reviews online.

(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Razor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 January 2022 18:20 (two weeks ago) link

I just looked at my Red Rolling Stone guide. Dave Marsh gives four stars and a strong review to the greatest hits collection that was available at the time. Which kind of proves that all the albums were out of print, I think. Also no mention of them on Greil Marcus's Treasure Island. So yeah, they had some respect as a singles going steady band at the time at least.

(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Razor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 01:46 (two weeks ago) link

Xgau gives some grudging nods of approval but was not quite convinced:
https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/bk-aow/columns.php
https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/bk-aow/column2.php

(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Razor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 01:48 (two weeks ago) link

Marcus doesn't really strike me as being someone who'd be pro-Monkees.

Paul Williams HATED them. I had the Crawdaddy coffee table anthology with all the 'What Goes On' news columns reprinted in toto; frequently there'd be sections within said columns that read like "Dylan said to be in studio...possibly recording for a new label/Bobby Hebb new single due next week/WHOLE PARAGRAPH ON WHY THE MONKEES SUCK & WILL HAVE NO LASTING INFLUENCE ON ROCK HISTORY/Jefferson Airplane set to perform at Fillmore East in February"

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 02:24 (two weeks ago) link

Heh, maybe he especially hated tham because of the other Paul Williams.

(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Razor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 02:29 (two weeks ago) link

it's kinda wild to think of paul williams (the critic) actually hating something. i read a couple of his books a long time ago and my lasting impression was that i'd never encountered a critic so enthusiastic about everything he was writing about. which is quite a feat when you're writing about, like, 80s bob dylan!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 02:50 (two weeks ago) link

The Monkees: Classic or Dead?

DT, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 03:31 (two weeks ago) link

This river scene is getting old
I’m hungry, sleepy, wet and cold

(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Razor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 04:51 (two weeks ago) link

The grass is always greener
Growing on the other side

(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Razor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 05:20 (two weeks ago) link

Just saw that and came to post. Good stuff.

The Door into Summerisle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 January 2022 20:16 (one week ago) link


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