Wendy Carlos = Walter Carlos

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I just found this out. I always wondered why they had very similar names and made very similar music, but I just made the connection.

Its funny in the bios of each at AMG are exactly the same except where it says 'Walter', it says 'Wendy', and the word 'his' is switched with 'her'

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=SEARCH&sql=Bhifuxqq5ldte

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 14 December 2002 02:02 (sixteen years ago) link

dude, shhhhh. you're gonna get sued.

JasonD (JasonD), Saturday, 14 December 2002 02:11 (sixteen years ago) link

So, my question is, was there ever a Walter Carlos, or was that just Wendy Carlos using a different name?

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 14 December 2002 02:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Wendy Carlos = Walter Carlos + sex change. These are facts, already posted all over the net. Just don't write a naughty song about it, okay?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 14 December 2002 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

The sex change was completed I believe around '68, three years before Mick Jagger officially became Carly Simon.

s woods, Saturday, 14 December 2002 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link

OOOoooh, Momus did a song about it. That makes sense! I knew I had known this before.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 14 December 2002 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Did Momus get sued for it?

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 14 December 2002 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

That's why there is a post-lawsuit version of the Little Red Songbook. Sorry, I'm a little slow. I've read this before, but just realized it.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 14 December 2002 02:37 (sixteen years ago) link

And that's why Stars Forever was used to make back some money.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 14 December 2002 02:41 (sixteen years ago) link

genius!

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 14 December 2002 02:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Fucked that Momus got short-sheeted about the Wendy-Walter thing. Long live Momus and his genitalia songs. Really.

Tim D, Saturday, 14 December 2002 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

seriously??? Is that what momus was sued over???

Mike Taylor (mjt), Saturday, 14 December 2002 06:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Yup, that was it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 14 December 2002 06:27 (sixteen years ago) link

seriously??? Is that what momus was sued over???

uh-huh. wendy carlos is a cock-less farmer.

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 14 December 2002 07:15 (sixteen years ago) link

We should add it to the cockfarmer thread.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 14 December 2002 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I have to give it up, you know you are a cool motherfucker when Walter Carlos takes your ass to court.

Mike Taylor (mjt), Monday, 16 December 2002 08:28 (sixteen years ago) link

No comment, for twentytwomilliondollars' sake!

Momus (Momus), Monday, 16 December 2002 09:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Watch out, WC ego-surfs!

Having said that, it's easy to sue people when one's partner is a lawyer. Even if there's no case to answer, the 'defendant' still has to seek expensive advice and appear in court. This is a great way, if you're a fuckwit with a free in-house lawyer on side, to make 40k of debt for someone else in about one hour, which is why they are called 'nuisance suits'. The song itself is absolutely harmless.

Also it was probably the only chance for publicity WC had in at least a decade! No fucking wonder.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 16 December 2002 12:00 (sixteen years ago) link

The intro that Bowie used for his '72 American tour, where he played the Walter Carlos theme from 'A Clockwork Orange' and then the Spiders kicked into 'Hang onto yourself', was fantastic.

Not that I was there, but it sounds great on the tapes of the Santa Monica gig. Whether he's got a knob or not. (Walter not David.)

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 16 December 2002 12:52 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.bs-net.de/img/musik/WalterXCarlosXgemalt.jpg

http://www.wendycarlos.com/photos/wenb%26w.jpg

(sorry, couldn't find a better pic of Walter)

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 16 December 2002 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I respect her as a fantastic musician. If somebody doesn't want to wave around there gender issues, It's there biz. It must be horrible being transgendered in the "Classical" music world (in any world).

Hayden (Hayden), Monday, 10 February 2003 09:29 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...
My problem is that the you can't get the Shining soundtrack and I feel that if she was a man that probably wouldn't be a problem.

Mr Saahmit Aman, Wednesday, 23 July 2003 03:51 (fifteen years ago) link

there are only two Carlos pieces on 'the shining' soundtrack. they are both wonderful though. much creepier and abstract than anything on 'tron' (which is basically a warmup for 'digital moonscapes'.) I think it's licensing, not gender issues holding up the release of her film soundtracks.

Wendy will be quite obviously be remembered for her music. Especially her own compositions. 'Clockwork Orange', 'Sonic Seasonings', 'Beauty and the Beast' are landmarks.

jl (Jon L), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 07:56 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
listen to me
the story is there in many web pages
it took her long enough to be in the public again

leave it out

she is the god mother of all equuipment we use now

show some respect

adam beckett-hester, Monday, 12 April 2004 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link

I find the Walter/Wendy subject interesting...people can't mention her without mentioning that she used to be Walter, and they often throw in a joke while they're at it. It was more than 30 years ago! Let's move on.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 12 April 2004 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link

right, and "queer eye for the straight guy" is moving on...

tricky disco (disco stu), Monday, 12 April 2004 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Walter can still play even though he has no organ

asmoi, Monday, 19 April 2004 13:33 (fifteen years ago) link

Now, that can't be. Maybe he has a piano or something.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link

For clarification, as I know nothing of this, was she/he Wendy or Walter first?

David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Walter then Wendy

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link

According to the pictures, Walter lost 30 years in the process...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 April 2004 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't know what that first picture is supposed to be but it isn't Walter Carlos

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 19 April 2004 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link

That's not all he lost...

shookout (shookout), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Did anyone else know that Jan Morris (the travel writer) used to be James MOrris? That blew my mind.

C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 19 April 2004 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't know why any of this stuff is suprising to anybody in 2004.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 19 April 2004 16:00 (fifteen years ago) link

I think that first picture is Thurston Howell, III.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 19 April 2004 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I forgot the name of the book, I think Analog Days? About the early days of Moog and analog synthesis in general. It has some amazing stuff about Wendy Carlos. About how she started hormone treatment but would wear a fake beard to public appearances.

Anyway, the music's great, especially the vocoder stuff on A Clockwork Orange and the full version of Timesteps, which isn't on the CD soundtrack, but there's a vinyl version of the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack that is JUST her music.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 19 April 2004 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Wally Stott to thread.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 19 April 2004 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link

wendy carlos = who i named my guitar after.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 19 April 2004 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link

thats just fucking weird lucy.. maybe the telepaths should incorporate a moog keyboard into their stageshow!

chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 19 April 2004 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link

"My problem is that the you can't get the Shining soundtrack and I feel that if she was a man that probably wouldn't be a problem."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 April 2004 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyway, the music's great, especially the vocoder stuff on A Clockwork Orange and the full version of Timesteps, which isn't on the CD soundtrack, but there's a vinyl version of the A Clockwork Orange soundtrack that is JUST her music.

-- Dan Selzer (danselze...), April 19th, 2004


The full version of Timesteps is great, over 13 minutes. The vinyl version of the soundtrack that is all Walter, all the time, is called "Walter Carlos' Clockwork Orange." At least my copy is...maybe it hasn't been updated since the name change.

It's also got a lot of the classical pieces performed and arranged by Carlos, even the ones that were orchestral on the 'official' soundtrack.

shookout (shookout), Monday, 19 April 2004 23:46 (fifteen years ago) link

shit chris our next album should be "the international telepaths hits played on moog". what a fantastic idea! now all we need are some hits and a moog!

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:47 (fifteen years ago) link

there's some moog on the new tuggers LP. i like moogs, you can get them to make r2d2 noises

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link

i've got an old farfisa organ and a fine selection of scorched earth policy songs just WAITING to be covered!

chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:50 (fifteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Happy 70th birthday!

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 15 November 2009 10:46 (nine years ago) link

She's my hero.

Nate Carson, Sunday, 15 November 2009 10:48 (nine years ago) link

PS - her birthday was 11/14. Though technically she probably has two birthdays, right?

Nate Carson, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 03:42 (nine years ago) link

listening to The Well-Tempered Synthesizer as we speak

from alcoholism to fleshly concerns (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 03:47 (nine years ago) link

Yes, happy birthday, Wendy, you are awesome

I Poxy the Fule (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 10:14 (nine years ago) link

Happy Birthday Wendy Carlos Beauty in the Beast is My Favourite IIRC

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 10:17 (nine years ago) link

^OTM

Nate Carson, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:31 (nine years ago) link

Tron soundtrack forever

Valid point, imaginary rude person (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:35 (nine years ago) link

all about Sonic Seasonings over here.

ian, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:51 (nine years ago) link

I like when there is no clear winner!

plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 22:52 (nine years ago) link

technically she probably has two birthdays, right?

She was pushed out of a vagina two times?

Xiffy Pup (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 23:18 (nine years ago) link

Two vaginas, actually - twice each, alternating. And now I'm listening to Digital Moonscapes, which seems to have a horrible reputation as an inconsequential, "thin-sounding" misstep, but I'm enjoying it quite a bit.

my full five minutes of iguana time (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 November 2009 03:32 (nine years ago) link

"She was pushed out of a vagina two times?"

He was pushed out of a vagina. She was pushed out of a hospital. With a vagina.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 19 November 2009 06:01 (nine years ago) link

eight months pass...

bought a copy of sonic seasonings the other day for a couple bucks, started listening to it last night, continuing this afternoon. so great! clockwork orange not-soundtrack is another favorite.

a CRASBO is a "criminally related" ASBO (contenderizer), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 19:20 (nine years ago) link

Now get Beauty in the Beast. I think that's her best. Though Tron and ACO are of course, fantastic.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 22:17 (nine years ago) link

And here are links to the (non-Wendy) new Tron score by Daft Punk:

http://www.urb.com/2010/07/23/real-daft-punk-music-from-tron-legacy/

Nate Carson, Friday, 23 July 2010 22:57 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Is that original soundtrack to "Tron" any good? Tried to get it at the library and it was missing!

three years pass...

oh boy, the 'winter' side of sonic seasonings is great. it's like ben frost's 'by the throat' but 40 years before

feargal czukay (NickB), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:22 (three years ago) link

Wow, there's some disgusting bullshit in this thread.

Somehow I don't think I've ever listened to Sonic Seasonings?! Will give it a whirl.

emil.y, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:26 (three years ago) link

Wow, there's some disgusting bullshit in this thread.

was gonna say

feargal czukay (NickB), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:27 (three years ago) link

The good old days of ILX, eh?

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:28 (three years ago) link

In response to the Q from three years ago, I think the score to Tron is pretty good, maybe a little schmaltzy at times (for a synth score) but has some very cool moments. I always liked this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo4wfZmXzhg

five six and (man alive), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 18:53 (three years ago) link

In 1998, Carlos sued the songwriter/artist Momus for $22 million[21] for his satirical song "Walter Carlos" (which appeared on the album The Little Red Songbook, released that year), which suggested that if Wendy could go back in time she could marry Walter. The case was settled out of court, with Momus agreeing to remove the song from subsequent editions of the CD and owing $30,000 in legal fees.[22]

http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/1-000-Bought-a-Custom-Song-On-Momus-Latest-Album-2898584.php

dick wet with chickenshit (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:20 (three years ago) link

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/5386-the-little-red-songbook/

Smartest Cheerleader: "Okay, it's more like a 'Red Shoe Diaries' written by Vonnegut. Take 'Walter Carlos,' for example. That's a song about a guy who has a sex change. You speculate about his female form travelling back in time to marry his older male form."

Dumbest Cheerleader: "Eww, gross."

Momus: "Walter Carlos is a real person. Er, I mean, Wendy Carlos. She's suing me over that song."

Dumbest Cheerleader: "Punk rock."

dick wet with chickenshit (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 19:22 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

the full 13:48 version of time steps is essential - of course Wendy puts it on the score of clockwork orange which is harder to come by than the soundtrack. Hit me up if you're interested to hear it

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:49 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

very much in a The Shining/Clockwork Orange/Beauty In The Beast frame of mind this morning.. fucking tremendous work.

calzino, Sunday, 7 July 2019 13:07 (two weeks ago) link


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