c or d: the specials

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i can't believe this hasn't been done yet!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

and what about the special aka & fun boy three?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love The Specials. Some of their stuff sounds a bit dated, but Blank Expression is a classic!

As is Terry camping it up on Enjoy Yourself. Special AKA aren't as bad as people make out. And Fun Boy Three. errr...

I have to admit that any band sounding like The Specials today better all have good day jobs. The Coral, maybe? Have heard Tricky and The Streets compared to them, in spirit at least, but this never quite works for me.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haven't time to expand - but obv yes totally classic - who else has done 4 singles as good as Gangsters, Too Much Too Young, Ghost Town (The Brixton Riots) and The Boiler. In their time they were so *exactly* of the moment and dare I say it *on the money* that they were just perfect. A street-skankin', punk-nasty, ska-tuff bunch of young misfits who WERE the voice of British yoof from 1979-81.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

C, big time.

And it honestly doesn't sound dated to me - still very fresh.

Haven't got round to getting the More Specials reissue yet, but I certainly will. And I've just got a sudden urge to track down the 'Dance Craze' 2-tone live album.

But the first album is the most direct. Great stuff.

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's no question. The Specials were a bonafide classic.

maria b (maria b), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tremendously rude in concert at Park West in Chicago, 1980. First album captures a cool, raw, live feeling that's more controlled, but just as great. FB3 is also totally classic, especially Waiting album. Special AKA = dud.

Curt (cgould), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Special AKA' is a perfect example of an album that sounds better in theory than in actuality.

Predisposedtolikeit, Friday, 13 December 2002 17:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I dig In the Studio. True, it's spotty, a even some of the good tunes are too drawn out, and what the hell do you do with "Free Nelson Mandela" now? But it boasts a nice blend of urbane chill-out and urban angst and at least a handful of quite nice songs. So there.

Nonetheless, C to be sure.

Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 13 December 2002 18:12 (twenty-one years ago) link


First album : the most classic of the classic, of all music.. seriously. "The Specials" was the most important and therapeutic record for me back in the day, when I used to feel like a social fuck-up.

"More Specials" : some great songs here, but pales in comparison to the first.

There's also a Receiver records live boot called "Too Much Too Young" which has a pretty decent live set from the early days. I also have a Peel Sessions 12" from this era, which is great.

Also "The Singles Collection", if for anything "Ghost Town".

Otherwise, tread warily.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 December 2002 18:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

My only point of contention with that first record is how it was recorded. It kinda sounds like shit. I don't know if there were just some not-so-well planned recording sessions which led to that, or Elvis Costello didn't know what he was doing. But I'll spare you all the tech talk.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 December 2002 18:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

db re: the first record:the most important and therapeutic record for me back in the day, when I used to feel like a social fuck-up

i totally hear this & I think it was that for a lot of people

what do you thing it was that made it so perfect that way? i'm having a hard time figuring out why. it was agreat record to come home from school and play superloud circa aged pissedoff 14 - 15, much more so than like the sex pistols or alice cooper or something supposedly tailor-made for that

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 13 December 2002 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I adore More Specials. Yeah British yoof an all that on the first album, but Jerry Dammers stuff on More was taking the whole thing off in wild directions. Man At C and A, Pearl's cafe, the whole SOUND of the album scared me and excited me in equal measure and part of that was that bloody mad swirling production; the rimshots mixed with the wooshing synths - it was both trippy and angry. It was also majorly ahead of its time. As for Fritz's question, I suppose this has soemthing to do with 'disaffected youth songs such as 'Nite Klub' [is this the in-place to be? / what am I doing here? / watching the girls go by / spending money on...] Cracking record, and again it sounds so brilliant, edgy and angsty and a lot less obvious than 'Naaaaao future' and so on.

Daniel (dancity), Friday, 13 December 2002 20:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

to Fritz..

There are so many facets to that first album, and how it helped me, that it would take too much space to type here. But I didn't discover the record until my mid 20's, right when I was finally coming to grips with my social ineptitude...

Sex Pistols and Alice Cooper records are like your rock n' roll party friends. They're great to hang out with whenever you want to shoot the shit, tell drunken rants, have good times, go out and fuckshitup, etc. That first Specials record is like your bitter, witty best friend that you can count on whenever you are in a well on loneliness, and when you need someone to give you a boost of confidence.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 13 December 2002 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

That first Specials record is like your bitter, witty best friend

well said

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 13 December 2002 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh my lord....if anyone says 'dud,' they're an utter, utter jerk. Their first album alone redeems them from any possible later crimes they may have committed.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

and what the hell do you do with "Free Nelson Mandela" now?

you pretend they;'e singing "he's freeee, freeee is Nelson Mandela!" of course

stevem (blueski), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

the specials were my favorite band when i was 12/13 but even now their first album holds up great, although later stuff not as well. their first album is probably on my top 10 favorites of all time though.

juiceboxxx, Friday, 13 December 2002 23:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

my god, i agree with alex.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 December 2002 23:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Total classic.

JS Williams (js williams), Friday, 13 December 2002 23:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aw man! The Specials are classic! Why is the first album the only one that's widely available? And why is Ghost Town almost impossible to get? Mysterious! They should rerelease he first album with Ghost Town as an extra. I love: "Monkey Man", "It Doesn't Make it Alright" and "Do Nothing". Class Class Class!

dog latin (dog latin), Saturday, 14 December 2002 03:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

....if anyone says 'dud,' they're an utter, utter jerk.

Dud. Who's surprised?

paul cox (paul cox), Saturday, 14 December 2002 04:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Woah ... Classic ...

amazing mix of ska / reggae / punk / electronica ... recently I put International Jetset onto a mixCD between Goodiepal and some electroclash. It went really well.

I'm really late to the whole 2-tone thing, (although I was blown away by Ghosttown when it came out) but catching bits here and there (like Orbital putting the Selector on their "Back to Mine") makes me realize how important and fresh this movement was.

The Tricky and Streets connection seems totally OTM to me. All coming out of the contemporary dance genre. But putting their own smart, emotional, cynical twist on things that takes it out of genre and makes it something individual.

phil jones (interstar), Monday, 16 December 2002 16:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

S.pecials are an absolute classic.
I haven't heard fun boy 3 and special aka in years but feel warmly towards 'em.

H (Heruy), Monday, 16 December 2002 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Specials - C+++
Special AKA - C
Funboy Three - Amusing in small doses

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 16 December 2002 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I enjoy them (though I'm grateful for donut bitch's noting the wack production). "Ghost Town" is probably my favorite track. I know I'm asking for shit by saying this, but I'm surprised that everyone raves about the Specials but has such antipathy for the Clash.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 16 December 2002 23:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am just happy because someone at work was wearing a Specials t-shirt and I had never heard of them and then I come to ILM and here's a big ol' discussion on them and now I can go up to my coworker and talk about how great the first album is but how the production is all wacky and my coworker will think I know what I'm talking about and I will change the subject before the conversation gets too in-depth.

No, not really. But I am curious to hear them now.

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 00:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know I'm asking for shit by saying this, but I'm surprised that everyone raves about the Specials but has such antipathy for the Clash.

POO POO POO BEING THROWN AT YOU, ANTHONY.

Seriously though, my main point of contention with the Clash has nothing to do with their actual output. They've written a lot of great songs, but it took them several double-albums plus to get something worth that first Specials record (IMHO). There's a lot of great songs on "Sandinista" for instance. But it took them a triple-LP to get that many out. In brief, the Clash has a much poorer hit/miss ratio.

Also, there's this whole lingering distraction with the Clash involving them somehow being responsible for punk or something, which gets a little grating.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 01:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll admit the poorer/hit-miss ratio. But aren't the Specials to blame for the Bosstones and beyond?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 01:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

despite the fact that ska is the most made fun of genre of all time (because it is the most ridiculous) specials are totally classic hence the reason why so many high school kids get into ska, hence the outrageous high school ska fashion and amount of bands like funky brassSKA, the skalcoliques, SKArotum, skankin' pickle, fuck SKathority, bryan SKAdams etc... hence ska being the most made fun of, ridiculous genre of all time.


..yeah, so the specials are too blame for the bosstones, hand drawn black and white checkered stuff, plaid pants, but not skanks

ddd, Tuesday, 17 December 2002 03:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll admit the poorer/hit-miss ratio. But aren't the Specials to blame for the Bosstones and beyond?

I can't even begin to name how many awful bands the Clash inspired. But come on, what's the point of this type of argument?

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 03:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wasn't really arguing. Just noting that both groups spawned a lot of cheese, so hating one for that and not the other would be kinda wack.

And before anybody chastises me for using the word wack, please remember that I'm Brian Austin Green.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 04:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

eight months pass...
I much prefer 'More Specials' to the first album. Maybe it's because the first one is pretty straight down the line ska, and I'm not a mad ska fan. The second one mixes things up a lot more and comes up with something quite unique. Also, it has 'Stereotypes' on it.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

so amazingly classic. i cant wait to see them in may.

always thought the album version of do nothing wasnt as good as the single one though.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link

POO POO POO BEING THROWN AT YOU, ANTHONY

haha i hope i'm slightly older, mentally, than a schoolkid in 2009

Anyway, the 2001 remasters of the first three Specials CDs has (over?-)corrected a lot of the production issues of the original CD issues -- minus the unlisted bonus single tracks. (The Specials now lacks "Gangsters", More Specials now lacks "Rat Race", etc.) The original LPs, UK and US, still sound ace. The new CDs sound really nice.. almost too nice. :-/

Also, that 3-CD odds, ends, rarity comp is really really great.

909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyway, the 2001 remasters of the first three Specials CDs has (over?-)corrected a lot of the production issues of the original CD issues -- minus the unlisted bonus single tracks. (The Specials now lacks "Gangsters", More Specials now lacks "Rat Race", etc.) The original LPs, UK and US, still sound ace. The new CDs sound really nice.. almost too nice. :-/

But for novices, it's worth noting that the 2001 remasters simply restore the albums to their original UK release tracklistings, and the "missing" tracks - including alternate single versions of "Do Nothing" (etc) are all on the triple CD, which pretty much collects all the non-LP specials tracks from beginning to end with only a couple of tracks in the same versions as their album counterparts.

deedeedeextrovert, Thursday, 15 January 2009 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Recession, unemployment - now is surely the time for a major revival of this group

Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 15 January 2009 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link

i heard Free Nelson Mandela on the radio just this morning. (why? i hate that song. luckily it was the bbc's iplayer and i could hit ffwd)

koogs, Thursday, 15 January 2009 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Nice. I've been listening to a bunch of second-wave ska stuff this morning, and christ the sound on the specials records is SOOOOOO bad. almost unlistenably so. i mean, yes, i like Madness and The Beat more, but not that much more. Glad to see I just need to make sure I have the 2001 remasters.

mitya, Sunday, 5 April 2009 08:44 (fifteen years ago) link

they are down as being on Jools Holland this tuesday(?) and (longer repeat) friday

koogs, Monday, 6 April 2009 08:55 (fifteen years ago) link

cool. i have a ticket for them in may but am wondering if i should sell it on ebay or not. spent 40 quid on it. i miss the days when concert tickets were cheaper.

Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 6 April 2009 09:17 (fifteen years ago) link

my son was singing along to "Doesn't Make it Alright" tonight, felt a kind of glow

Dr X O'Skeleton, Monday, 6 April 2009 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

"(What I like most about you is your) Girlfriend" has been stuck in my head for weeks. Perfect blend of menacing and ridiculous, and the video's great too.

Telephone thing, Friday, 26 June 2009 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link

one of the upcoming glastonbury broadcasts on BBCx is listed as 'The Specials'...

BBC4 Fri 26 Jun 2009 21:00
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lc8ms

koogs, Friday, 26 June 2009 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

oh, that was good. a field full of people dancing to Rudy in the sun.

koogs, Friday, 26 June 2009 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

it wasnt bad. those songs are all still so good but it seemed like they were just kinda going through the motions. not really doing anything with the songs - just getting them out one after the other.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 26 June 2009 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link


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