My Middle Name Is Earl - The Official ILM Track-By-Track TOM PETTY Listening Thread

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Rockin' Around (With You)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB_eHi7HcTM

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 14:52 (four months ago) link

It's 1976. The first track on your debut album is 2 minutes long. You are not prog. Are you punk? We are intrigued...

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 14:53 (four months ago) link

hey, this guy is good...

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 14:54 (four months ago) link

a sampler of things to come. its comfortably retro and yet...there is something new about it.

i HIGHLY recommend the oral history book of Tom and the band if you haven't read it and dig him. its one of the best rock books i've ever read. compelling!

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 14:59 (four months ago) link

also, it goes without saying, Petty in the wild/pictures/ephemera/anecdotes welcomed and appreciated.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 15:16 (four months ago) link

"Rockin' Around (With You)": Nice little song. Really reminds me how close style-wise Petty and Dwight Twilley were at the time. Tench throwing in a little synth action near the end to remind you that it's 1976.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 15:29 (four months ago) link

yeah that synth thing is funny. just shows up out of nowhere.

tom kinda got the career dwight wanted? is that unfair? petty don't mind.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 15:31 (four months ago) link

I like it, but there's not really much to this song; if you played a demo of it on a piano or acoustic guitar it would likely seem underwhelming. Songs like this one are highly dependent on good production, good arrangements, and good playing; fortunately, it has all three.

Lee626, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 16:06 (four months ago) link

stan lynch kicks ass on this song

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 16:08 (four months ago) link

i dig rockin around with you too tom

ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 16:41 (four months ago) link

cool hangdog bassline too, i guess that's ron blair?

ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 16:44 (four months ago) link

punk velocity, anyway. maybe his first nyc gig was cbgb?
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Bc8AAOSwXVJjWtqv/s-l1600.jpg

Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 16:47 (four months ago) link

Y'all need that Paul Zollo book where Petty discusses every song he's written.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 17:03 (four months ago) link

man, those are some good bands. suicide commandos. reddy teddy. i like that album of theirs that willie alexander produced a lot. kinda proto-punk/glam. laughing dogs. they were cool. for tuff darts fans. earth opera! can't believe they were still around in 1976. but i dig their records. the good rats were rockin' back then with a major label deal. honey davis was a weirdo. his albums are not for everybody. i never dug the shirts despite loving annie golden in hair. they were pretty boring. and then you have the ramones and television coming soon. and orchestra luna. everyone should own their album. i think me and andy zax are the only big fans of that album of people i know though. i own two dirty tricks albums but i don't play them much.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 17:29 (four months ago) link

needless to say, suicide commandos debut one of the great punk/rock albums made in this country in the 70s.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 17:30 (four months ago) link

that might be the only thing i have in common with tom petty. i graced the stage at CBGB once. dressed as a witch. matador NMS showcase. pizzicato five/chavez/customized/barbara manning/bunnybrains.

well that and we both worship the byrds.

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 17:34 (four months ago) link

Also you have a short "o" in your first name and short "e" in your last name.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 18:14 (four months ago) link

hey yeah!

wait, that should be Kustomized, right? i don't remember what they sounded like...

scott seward, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 18:24 (four months ago) link

I’m not a fan other than full moon fever so I won’t be weighing in, but I’m really looking forward to ilx analysis on this !

calstars, Tuesday, 27 February 2024 19:57 (four months ago) link

I am not sure how much I know about anything pre-Torpedoes except "Breakdown."

Dude was cool as fuck, but I secretly believe he peaked in 1979. Musically speaking, I mean.

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 20:21 (four months ago) link

how much might tom's early success owe to his uncanny evocation of grown-up Bad News Bear (1976) Kelly Leak (Jackie EARLE Haley)

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 February 2024 23:17 (four months ago) link

I just watched Jackie in a terrible action movie. He deserves better. He's a really good actor but he does look like a fucked up bad guy now. he's awesome.

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 01:24 (four months ago) link

Breakdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqxns-JTTqA

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 14:22 (four months ago) link

His first hit! I forget how slow it is.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 14:22 (four months ago) link

i'll be back wth thoughts. gotta do stuff.

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:05 (four months ago) link

Maybe they only showed the theatrical trailer in Jamaica!
hey yeah!

wait, that should be Kustomized, right? i don't remember what they sounded like...


Basically like the Volcano Suns. They’re great and the Suicide Commandos Make A Records is one of the best records of all time. I bought the short lived Mercury CD reissue in ‘96.

from a prominent family of bassoon players (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:13 (four months ago) link

"Breakdown": The rare instance where imo the Grace Jones version is not funkier.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:13 (four months ago) link

go ahead and give it to 'em

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:28 (four months ago) link

this sounds like a Steely Dan song

Brad C., Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:38 (four months ago) link

it doesn't really remind me of anyone weirdly! it just reminds me of tom petty. maybe fleetwood mac at the start...

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:40 (four months ago) link

the keyboard riff is objectively similar to "pretzel logic." the bass moves differently tho

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:40 (four months ago) link

(and it's not even that similar, just both electric key riffs in the key of a minor. petty moves from a minor to g major, the dan have a more intricate am to bm7/a to amin7)

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:42 (four months ago) link

Basically like the Volcano Suns. They’re great and the Suicide Commandos Make A Records is one of the best records of all time. I bought the short lived Mercury CD reissue in ‘96.
― from a prominent family of bassoon players (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, February 28, 2024 9:13 AM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Make a Record is just an amazing, wonderful record I wish more people had heard

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:44 (four months ago) link

"Breakdown": On the verses, Petty sounds like how Springsteen looked in '73-4. Phil Seymour on backing vox! Electric Piano!

Wiki:

"Breakdown" was a song written and recorded for the band's debut album. Initially, the song had lead guitarist Mike Campbell with a distinct guitar lick being played only near the end of the song. While playing it back one night, Tom Petty and Dwight Twilley, a friend of Phil Seymour, were in the studio, and Twilley enjoyed it. He suggested that the lick should be used throughout the song, and Petty obliged. At 2 AM, he gathered the Heartbreakers to join him in re-recording the song. Their final take was seven to eight minutes long, but it was pared down to 2 minutes and 39 seconds on the album. Guests on the song's recording include guitarist Jeff Jourard, a common collaborator with the band in their early days, and Phil Seymour, who sings backing vocals.

One of those great live album moments nobody ever talks about is the audience singing the first two verses to Petty on the extended version Pack Up The Plantation!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNxfPAF1frM

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 15:52 (four months ago) link

wow i don't think i knew that phil seymour was on that. love him. i wanna hear that original 8 minute version now.

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 16:07 (four months ago) link

Yeah, Seymour is on this and "American Girl", plus Twilley steps in on "Strangered In The Night".

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 16:11 (four months ago) link

for some reason its just nice to know that those guys were friends. phil, dwight, and tom. all very talented.

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 16:15 (four months ago) link

there's a little bit of cod reggae going on in the vocals. i wonder if this was originally envisioned to have more of a reggae feel. man right out of the gate these guys were great arrangers and players. love their early dedication to keeping things short.

i think i remember reading richard meltzer, re. some BOC recording, saying "i know it's alright but i love when rock bands tell me anyway." i thought about that here.

Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 17:47 (four months ago) link

i don't hear cod reggae, more an exaggerated 50s rock styling a la buddy holly (but filtered thru petty's drawl)

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 17:49 (four months ago) link

The backing vocals are very present on "Breakdown." It's almost like there's a whole other song there.

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:07 (four months ago) link

for true cod reggae Petty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwGFoGsEGMU

tylerw, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:27 (four months ago) link

i love the pace/pacing of "breakdown". it just creates this great mood of expectation. i want to know what's going to happen next! that , to me, is key to being a good artist.

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:40 (four months ago) link

I love how these two songs would be a perfect way to start a live set: the quick rave up to get the audience going, with room to patter over it even, and then settle into "Breakdown."

paisley got boring (Eazy), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 18:44 (four months ago) link

In The Wild: I'm hosting my weekly pub quiz tonight. For music, I use an ever-growing Spotify playlist curated by myself and several other hosts that is currently weighing in at over 1300 songs. I use it in Shuffle mode, which just spit out "American Girl" and then "Girls" by Dwight Twilley, which of course features Mr. Petty.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 29 February 2024 03:14 (four months ago) link

my primary exhibit that I use to demonstrate his association with 1976-77 era punk is his inclusion here:

https://www.discogs.com/release/2233401-Various-Whitmans-Punk-Sampler

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 29 February 2024 03:19 (four months ago) link

Their final take was seven to eight minutes long

god I hope this gets released someday

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 29 February 2024 03:20 (four months ago) link

dammit i didn’t even know you had started!

Rockin Around:
To me this is the Heartbreakers doing a kind of punk-ish ode to Buddy Holly & The Crickets. the skiffley kinda beat and that plaintive-yet-cool vocal … he gets all the girls. I love it. And the retro vibe is the mission statement for them

Breakdown:
There is a fever in the 70’s and that fever is reggae
Mike Campbell’s gorgeous guitar stings with Tench’s fucking beautiful keyboards on this. Petty’s angst hurling itself into the chorus. And it is only the second track and it is alreadt insane how so many genuiuses are in a single band together and sounding THIS good on their FIRST ALBUM?
also the production on Breakdown is so exactly the sound of 70’s radio to me, it sounds like standing in my childhood kitchen.
ugh i will love it til the day i die. this song is like a drug, intoxicating rhythym & swagger right out of the gate

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 February 2024 04:07 (four months ago) link

My wife put on the Live Anthology box while making lunch today. We listened to Discs 2 and 3 together. It ruled.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Thursday, 29 February 2024 04:09 (four months ago) link

solid filler action! don't think I have ever heard this one.

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 10 July 2024 14:51 (two days ago) link

The guitars snarl!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 July 2024 14:54 (two days ago) link

gettin' his steve tyler on.

Thus Sang Freud, Wednesday, 10 July 2024 15:21 (two days ago) link

Sounds like the Black Keys. This would be a good candidate for the "fiction vs non-fiction music" thread.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 10 July 2024 15:28 (two days ago) link

Fun rave-up, not much to it but he sells it. Snarling guitars definitely help.

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 10 July 2024 16:04 (two days ago) link

Also, I missed "You and I Will Meet Again," but I like that one. I had to check the credits to see if McGuinn was on backing vox (nope, he's on "All the Wrong Reasons"), because this sounds like a latter-day McGuinn tune to me.

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 10 July 2024 16:06 (two days ago) link

lol maybe it's cause I just caught the video for "Chattahoochee" but I'm getting a lot of New Country here. bolted on to a super solid, propulsive New Wave chassis. this sounds good! very hooky, even if Petty's chorus itself isn't really much of a hook. love that squiggly skronky solo!

the last visible dot (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 July 2024 04:17 (yesterday) link

Built To Last

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjJtzjVz8UE

scott seward, Thursday, 11 July 2024 12:11 (yesterday) link

Now, here's where the Petty-Lynne collaboration create something innaresting. I like Lynne's chorus harmonies. Another shimmer of a Campbell solo.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 12:28 (yesterday) link

Agreed about those harmonies! This is lovely. Lush. The particular version of retro here almost makes me think of much later indie stuff like, idk, Mirage or Friends or Caroline Rose. But it's more like if An Innocent Man had more rock-band DNA. It's a good fit for them, and they fill it out with some really nice surprises along the way. Good songwriting too.

The rhythm section is still ludicrously locked in place, but maybe Lynch was at least glad to have a break from just going Boom-chunk, Boom-chunk in 4/4 for three straight minutes.

Overall, yeah, I feel like this album rallied big time. I'll give it another listen tho and see how it hangs together as a piece.

the last visible dot (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 July 2024 12:59 (yesterday) link

that slide (or pedal steel?) action here is real sweet

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 11 July 2024 14:39 (yesterday) link

and wah-wah pedal, no?

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 14:50 (yesterday) link

I haven't changed my mind about Into the Great Wide Open. A fine album. I don't need "The Dark of the Sun," "All or Nothin'," or the title track.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 14:50 (yesterday) link

now that we're done with into the great wide open, it is safe to post the dog who looks like jeff lynne

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwFcM8bXEAEOUWg?format=png&name=small

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 July 2024 15:02 (yesterday) link

excellent content tyvm

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 11 July 2024 15:03 (yesterday) link

nice song but i don't love his funny-not-funny voice. he should have sung it straight. roy orbison would have done a nice job with this. or chris isaac.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 11 July 2024 16:12 (yesterday) link

I've always assumed the "Stand By Me" echoes here are intentional, yes? Especially since it had just gone top 10 again a few years earlier. It's a nice song. Still not too much of a chorus, I feel like there aren't a whole lot of real hooky songs on the album overall.

Anyway, as mentioned above, here's the McGuinn-Petty song from earlier the same year. I like this one. I think all the Heartbreakers except Epstein are on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iupUmLy7NoE

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 11 July 2024 18:49 (yesterday) link

The Bogdanovnich doc has an embarrassing scene where Tom Petty scolds McGuinn and a hotshot young producer for accepting a song Petty thinks is garbage and beneath McGuinn.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 18:51 (yesterday) link

Ha. That McGuinn album does have some clunkers. It's not bad tho.

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 11 July 2024 18:55 (yesterday) link

I like his version of this EC song better than EC's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTWb8aQ6yzM

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 11 July 2024 18:58 (yesterday) link

My dad loves that McGuinn album, it does have some incredible stuff. “If we ever meet again”

brimstead, Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:02 (yesterday) link

Yeah, this album definitely works better as a whole. When you know the last few tracks are going to loosen up and rock out, then "Learning to Fly" and "Kings Highway" play like a classic one-two-punch. It's solid mid-career work, not essential but mostly enjoyable and in good spirits.

Alfred, I'd agree with your cuts, but spare "Dark of the Sun" and drop "Two Gunslingers."

the last visible dot (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:08 (yesterday) link

Am I mistaken or did "King of the Hill" get MTV play in 1991?

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:12 (yesterday) link

Yeah, I remember seeing it.

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:17 (yesterday) link

agree Dr Casino, I enjoyed this album more on revisiting, some tunes I forgot about and the title track doesn’t have as much of that “stuck in traffic in a hot car “ vibe I got from them it as a kid

On Back to Rio, the song “car phone” has a voiceover by Kimmy Robertson (Lucy on Twin Peaks)

brimstead, Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:20 (yesterday) link

Her and Stan Ridgway! (On a Mike Campbell co-write)

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:47 (yesterday) link

The sleeve is horrendous.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:47 (yesterday) link

haha I was literally just thinking that, what is it even supposed to be? A flower growing from Rio? Looks ... anatomical.

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:54 (yesterday) link

Love “King of the Hill.”

The Bogdanovnich doc has an embarrassing scene where Tom Petty scolds McGuinn and a hotshot young producer for accepting a song Petty thinks is garbage and beneath McGuinn.


The scene is described here.

Sounds like it went like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMNAJb4oXg

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 11 July 2024 20:31 (yesterday) link

heh I remember that. Shuddered at Mcguinn’s mullet

brimstead, Thursday, 11 July 2024 21:27 (yesterday) link

i wonder if Petty worked on that McGuinn album because during the Wilburies era, McGuinn was like, "hey did you guys lose my number or something???"

"king of the hill" is pretty good — I definitely saw the video on MTV and/or Vh1 back in the day.

tylerw, Thursday, 11 July 2024 21:31 (yesterday) link

He did! He cowrote "Hill."

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 21:52 (yesterday) link

sorry, my post wasn't worded well — i knew that

tylerw, Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:15 (yesterday) link

anyway, i'm surprised that people seem to dislike Into The Great Wide Open so much! Might be that it came out during the height of my fandom, but I think it's solid — maybe a little lazy / uninspired in parts, but pretty strong for an album that's 15 years into a songwriter's career.

tylerw, Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:17 (yesterday) link

otm

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:21 (yesterday) link

i see it was mentioned at the start of this thread, but this tune (falling through the cracks between Full Moon Fever and Great Wide Open) deserves a little more mention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQC59EUom-k

When it came out on the Playback set, I couldn't believe they'd just tossed it aside — could've been a total radio hit in 1990. Maybe a more successful melding of the Full Moon Fever style with the Heartbreakers.

tylerw, Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:26 (yesterday) link

I absolutely love this jam. It sounds like it was recorded in 1999. The Bangles harmonies are next-level.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:39 (yesterday) link

In the Zollo book Petty couldn't stop gushing about what a good studio experience it was with them.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:40 (yesterday) link

yeah it does sorta sound like it predicts an entire strain of 1990s pop-rock

tylerw, Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:46 (yesterday) link

He should've recorded a few more like this

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 July 2024 22:48 (yesterday) link

It sounds like it was recorded in 1999.

It does. Sounds like Ferrone on drums.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 12 July 2024 10:47 (one hour ago) link

Mary Jane's Last Dance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowSGxim_O8

Something in the Air

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OUCpKzMAbQ

scott seward, Friday, 12 July 2024 11:35 (fifty-three minutes ago) link

i would just like to say for the record that the picture quality of the mary jane video on tom petty's youtube channel is EXCELLENT. looks like a million bucks.

scott seward, Friday, 12 July 2024 11:36 (fifty-one minutes ago) link

i would also like to say for the record that i totally forgot about the second Wilburys album from 1990. oops! i guess i can backtrack on monday...

scott seward, Friday, 12 July 2024 11:42 (forty-five minutes ago) link

xp it is what 90s kim basinger deserves

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2024 11:50 (thirty-eight minutes ago) link

the guitars on mary jane snarl so good

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2024 11:51 (thirty-seven minutes ago) link

It does. Sounds like Ferrone on drums.

― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, July 12, 2024

I think it's a drum machine?

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 July 2024 11:53 (thirty-five minutes ago) link

it’s easy to forget how brazenly the red hot chili peppers ripped off mary jane if you haven’t heard either song in a while, but man is it brazen

the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 July 2024 11:59 (twenty-nine minutes ago) link


I think it's a drum machine?

It might be. I believe there are no drum credits.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 12 July 2024 12:00 (twenty-eight minutes ago) link

Also, I’d never seen that great Mary Jane video.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 12 July 2024 12:07 (twenty minutes ago) link


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