Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Nominees 2024

Mariah Carey, Cher, Peter Frampton, Kool & the Gang, Lenny Kravitz, Sinéad O’Connor, Oasis, Ozzy Osbourne, Sade, and Foreigner are all up for the first time

i voted for rakim. i did not vote for eric b. sade deserves her own museum. she is WAAAAAYYY too cool to go anywhere near the state of Ohio. kool & the gang were fucking dope though. don't get me wrong.

not unlike peter frampton, oasis had like three good songs. guess that makes you a legend at this late date.

wait, are naughty by nature already in the rock & roll hall of fame? if so treach should really get a solo nomination. just for his bulletproof outfits alone. also: no Fudge Tunnel, no credibility.

I may be the only actual Hall of Fame voter on ILX, though I'm not sure about that. Anyway, I'll be voting for:

Eric B. & Rakim (because I still listen to Follow the Leader)
Jane's Addiction (because I still listen to Ritual de lo Habitual and because they were incredible live and because Perry Farrell created Lollapalooza)
Sinéad O'Connor (because her first two albums rule)
Ozzy Osbourne (because his first four albums rule)
Sade (because all their albums rule and by the way SADE IS A BAND)
Kool & the Gang (because black cookout music deserves to be in the Hall of Fame just as much as black music that white rock critics like)

I think I get to vote for seven instead of five this year, but none of the others deserve it IMO.

I'm a voter too! My current vote list:

Mary J. Blige
Kool & the Gang
Ozzy Osbourne
Sade
A Tribe Called Quest

(If I can indeed vote for six, I'll have to think about it a bit but based on the live shows alone back in 1991, Jane's, most likely.)

yes to all but DMB and Kravitz

how u gonna indict someone that proclaimed Rock 'n Roll is dead ffs

wait no, fuck Oasis

Sinead O'Connor, Tribe Called Quest, Cher, and Mariah Carey. No one I feel really passionate about this year--the first three all have songs I love; Mariah Carey, not as much (maybe her Jackson 5 cover), but I can construct arguments for those four.

Missed Eric B & Rakim--them too.

why can't they just call it the pop hall it would make everything easier

Lol just imagine the rockist backlash to that.

Actually though that would be funny so I support this idea

I think of "rock and roll" in the name mostly as defining a time period: the rock era (1950s-present), which includes many types of popular music genres.

voted mariah who has major rockist credentials which she's never been given enough credit for but half of these are good choices if there are such a thing as good choices

I am worried the davehead contingent might get there way this time which would be a real drag. ditto oasis if there are too many middle aged british men among the voters

if we could synonymize rock and pop again I would be very happy

If I had to pick five out of this bunch i'd vote for Sade, Sinead, Kool and the Gang, A Tribe Called Quest, Eric B and Rakim. Least likely to vote for: Lenny Kravitz

No to DMB, Foreigner, Frampton, Jane’s Addiction, Oasis and Kravitz.

Yeah, I'm with you. Maybe a case can be made for Jane's, but those other acts should never be in (though a few of them seem inevitable). Also, Kool & the Gang is one of the most underrated bands of all time. So many great songs.

I'm only voting Frampton so they can prank him by giving him confusing instructions as to where to enter the building, and to have a surly doorman to ask him what the fuck he wants him to do about it, and only to let him in when Peter gives the only response that makes any sense and simultaneously aggravates him that he has to say it

I honestly don't understand the case for O'Connor canonically. Lion and the Cobra & I Do Not Want great records no doubt, no one denies that. a big figure in the 90s for a couple of years. I know she is beloved by many of us from that generation, I like her too. But that's two albums with four hits if we're being stingy and six if we're being generous, and I think assigning her icon status is the sort of Wenner-like "look, to MY generation she was big" thing that...idk. maybe I'm wrong and everybody really rides for all the stuff after I Do Not Want?

the Butterfield Blues Band is in I mean...

I voted for Tribe.

the Butterfield Blues Band is in I mean...

ha well yes, point taken, but I mean, if "this earlier one was on scant qualifications so I want another scant qualifications inductee" then I demand my place in the RRHOF

I wasn't even sure there were five I liked - just barely. The ones I'd vote for:

Mary J. Blige
Eric B. & Rakim
Sinéad O’Connor
Sade
A Tribe Called Quest

Tribe is my top vote though

millennials and zoomers love sinead, maybe more so than the generations who actually remember her pop era. I see no reason to exclude her considering some of the crap they've already let in this thing

Sinead had two classic albums and a few more excellent ones, some fantastic collaborations sprinkled in there, she had some actual rebel moments which probably cost her dearly versus the lukewarm overtures of so many others who have one eye on making sure their careers are safe, had one of the greatest voices ever, etc. considering there are a lot of artists in the Rock Hall via excellent politicking and networking, it would be nice to see someone get in who didn't seem to have much interest in playing the game the right way.

i'll rep for old pete. i saw him on the tour that became that album, though the exact show i saw at the calderone concert hall didn't wind up on 'comes alive.' i'm pretty sure a different long island gig on the same tour did. what's not to like though -- a charming performer, free-flowing lead guitar work that kept to its own melodic flights (not really blues-based like everyone else), and songs that stuck with you and didn't otherwise get in the way. you can do worse than provide a nice rocking night out.

I would never use a tally of songs that were "hits" 25+ years ago as a measure of greatness. Plenty of terrible artists sold a lot of crap that lose currency fast. You see this with all music, especially when the original core audience has pretty much died and passed on. The music that means the most to anyone today, that people learn from and that has a lasting, profound impact has nothing to do with the amount they sold. You don't even need to look at "(How Much Is) That Doggie in the Window?," something like Bing Crosby's records have real merit, but they don't even approach the stature of Duke Ellington's, and Crosby sold a LOT more of them.

I honestly don't understand the case for O'Connor canonically. Lion and the Cobra & I Do Not Want great records no doubt, no one denies that. a big figure in the 90s for a couple of years. I know she is beloved by many of us from that generation, I like her too. But that's two albums with four hits if we're being stingy and six if we're being generous, and I think assigning her icon status is the sort of Wenner-like "look, to MY generation she was big" thing that...idk. maybe I'm wrong and everybody really rides for all the stuff after I Do Not Want?

I see what you're saying but I disagree, if only because we (the collective R&RHOF "we" and the sliver of the public that cares about it) have long since rocketed into "LOL nothing matters" territory as far as who "deserves" to be in. Number of hits doesn't really matter. I doubt anyone who nominated her has heard anything she did after I Do Not Want... I certainly haven't, and I'd still vote for her because "Mandinka" blew my head off in 1988. What matters with O'Connor is that she was an amazing singer, and had a great deal of impact on the politics of the pop music world, both at the time and possibly even more later as the world decided she'd been right all along. I mean, how many actual chart hits did Joan Baez have, for example?

I never know what to think about these nominee lists. How would you even choose, on what basis?

In this case, I think I'd go Jane's Addiction solely on the literal basis of "which of these is the most rock 'n' roll?" Even more than G'n'R, I think Jane's is the last great "rock band" in the way I grew up understanding that phrase, very much encompassing sex and drugs. In discussions about Jane's on Bandsplain and 60 Songs, there were a lot of references to how scary Jane's seemed to teen listeners at the time. To the degree that the phrase "rock 'n' roll" means anything, I think it needs an edge of menace and vice.

(by which standard obviously Ozzy also qualifies, but I'm OK with him being in already with Sabbath)

I’d also go with Jane’s, I guess (and I’m not even much of a fan). I’m sure some of the other artists listed are deserving… but of those whose work I’m familiar with enough to have an informed opinion, I would be lukewarm on.

(I clearly don’t belong in the Grammar Hall of Fame, based on that post…)

Man, the dubbing on Frampton on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6_yZouoe6Q

I honestly don't understand the case for O'Connor canonically. Lion and the Cobra & I Do Not Want great records no doubt...but that's two albums with four hits if we're being stingy and six if we're being generous.

As I have with the Baseball HOF, my thinking has moved more in the direction of peak value than career value--I'd almost put O'Connor in for album #2 (and its two incredible singles) alone.

Nobody’s perfect but anyone who fought the church like Sinead did has my vote.

Was just going to say, if you also subscribe to the "character counts" drift that the baseball HOF is undergoing--a much dicier proposition with pop music, I'd say--then O'Connor also gets major credit for that whole ordeal, both for what she initially did and how she handled the fallout.

xp otm - refusing to play the game in order to stand up for your principles, especially to speak up for people who needed the help when the rest of the world refused to listen, that alone is more than deserving. (Definitely can't say that about a few of the other nominees.)

Totally agree with that. But also lol at the idea of "character counts" in the RRHOF, I don't know how many past inductees would make that cut.

Doesn't quite work, does it? "Goodbye, Jerry Lee Lewis; hello, England Dan & John Ford Coley." (About whom I know nothing--they seemed like nice people.)

England Dan ate a guy once

I listened to a whole England Dan/John Ford Coley album earlier this week, it rocked harder than I expected/wanted it to

You'd really love to induct them tonight.

England Dan & JFC first played together in the '60s Texas Garage/Psych bands Theze Few and Southwest F.O.B.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkEtNydb-RA

Peter Frampton, I'm sorry. This is supposed to be your shining moment.

tipsy mothra totally otm re jane’s - super hard band to rep for in 2024, maybe one of the most ‘you had to be there’ acts ever? (‘There’ being 1988-1991 precisely)

also they have done their legacy no favours - although i would never begrudge career musicians paying the mortgage however they gotta - i think there is a stated intention to try and claw back their rep a bit and the most recent shows have been pretty strong

anyway i still kinda love them despite everything

Eric B & Rakim don't have a large catalog and honestly most of their reputation is based on some amazing singles, however Rakim is one of the handful of rappers who really affected a fundamental change in the musical approach and structure of how people rapped, they absolutely must be in the HoF if it intends to take hip hop seriously.

apt!

You're a lot more charitable than I am when it comes to Foreigner, Dave Matthews, and even Peter Frampton, zillion-dollar live album notwithstanding--Colby Rasmus, maybe.

yeah baines was a useful player for a while, apologies to him

Foreigner is Dante Bichette, superficially impressive replacement level types. basically a boring Journey. zero hate bc i feel nothing.

lmao at Dante Bichette reference, thanking you

Dave Matthews Band is Dave Valle

Classic HOF timing, right after Wayne Kramer and John Sinclair die

― chr1sb3singer, Monday, April 22, 2024 11:15 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol my first thought too, almost feels vaguely insulting

“waiting for a girl like you” is probably the greatest piece of music ever recorded but foreigner is pretty meh otherwise

this is the RNR HOF we get, they're starting to lean more heavily on the most basic corporate retreat rock music over the stuff that hits really hard. i know i bang on about Foo Fighters a lot but i think it's because they kind of represent that trend, they're basically just a band that really is a major zero. kind of the new Foreigner vs being a worthy Nirvana successor. i guess like Foreigner they have probably two great songs.

it's nice to see Tribe and KATG and Mary J get in, and Ozzy put out enough classic solo material for me to be cool with it.

i don't even care that Sinead or Sade didn't make it, they can carry on above and beyond that shit forever.

Above and beyond alliteration, Foreigner/Foo Fighters is a good match.

i say yay Foreigner for Lou Gramm only :D

Ian McDonald joining the Hall as a member of Foreigner and not King Crimson is the craziest oddity of this batch.

“waiting for a girl like you” is probably the greatest piece of music ever recorded but foreigner is pretty meh otherwise

it’s ok, that 5-chord transition into the chorus is heavenly tho

Dollar Bin Heroes (With POLLS In Their Eyes!): The Best...and Beyond of Foreigner

I would’ve enjoyed Sinead to be chosen just as a fist in the face of christianity but we can’t win them all.

it just seems absurd to have a Hall of Fame without your best selling female artist

That would be Madonna by far, followed by Céline Dion. And you know Céline isn’t ever going to be even nominated.

I'm seeing Celine placing well outside the top 5 best-selling female artists, but no, I also don't see them nominating Rihanna any time soon either

such a drag to see the daveheads finally get their way

rihanna will get in when the millennials take over in 2050 or so if this thing is still staggering on

it might have become an actual religion by that point (is rockism taken?)

All too well

I'm seeing Celine placing well outside the top 5 best-selling female artists

Depends if your talking global or US. Even there, she's at least Top 5.

She's #7 according to this list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

I always thought Rihanna would breeze in (up for election in 2030). Critical support (however you define it) seems to matter less and less, but I think she's had more than Mariah Carey, no? (Who, again, I would have put in--though behind Sinead O'Connor.)

Give Taylor a couple weeks and I think she knocks Celine out of the 5

Critical support (however you define it) seems to matter less and less, but I think she's had more than Mariah Carey, no?

To the extent that this is true, I think it's only because Rihanna emerged at a time when critics were less snobby about Mariah's style of pop music. In retrospect, it's insane that the first time Mariah placed on a Pazz & Jop singles list was "We Belong Together" in 2005. So yeah, Rihanna received more critical love from the jump -- for her singles, at least. At the same time, none of her albums are higher than a 75 on Metacritic (even though I know that people think ANTI was a masterpiece). So it's hard for me to see her as a shoo-in, especially now that Mariah -- who's been around long enough to be considered an icon -- didn't make it.

"Mariah's style of pop music" should probably be "certain styles of pop music." Obv. Rihanna isn't working in the same vein as Mariah, other than the broad genre of pop/R&B. I suppose if Rihanna had debuted in 1990, she might have been appreciated by the same critics who derided Mariah Carey. But I also think that by the time she did debut in the mid-2000s, there weren't as many critical barriers.

I think that's all true, but I will point out that TLC did well through the '90s on Pazz & Jop singles voting, even if Mariah Carey didn't:

1992 - #12
1993 - #4 & #8
1999 - #1 & #12

Outside of TLC, not much inside the Top 10.

I think Rihanna would have well too, but just a guess.

(Not much female pop/R&B, that is.)

TLC is way better than Mariah Carey so there's that

hashtag stop pitting r&b women against each other clap emoji

"Fantasy" not making the '95 Pazz & Jop list pretty well invalidates it so far as I'm concerned

xpost no

stop pitting r&b women against each other

? That's like half of ILM posting, artist A vs. artist B, across every conceivable genre there is.

I doubt TLC would even claim that

the critical rap on rihanna was that she was too cold as if she was supposed to break for them or something

anti is thoroughly canonised at this point and I'd let her in just for that but there are others who should probably go first namely mariah but also britney, beyonce, bjork, tori amos, pj harvey, d'angelo, what happened it's like the 90s are just dave grohl and pearl jam to these people

...we do it with films, baseball players, pizza, politicians, everything.

my least favorite genre of ilm posting even though I'm complicit

I know we've done how fucking racist the early influences category is but jesus christ. and of course they did robert johnson way before ma rainey and bessie smith, fuck you clapton

just amalgamate it for god's sake wenner's no longer there making sure rock is white enough for his liking

I hate that I care about this thing

it's like the 90s are just dave grohl and pearl jam to these people

And Dave Matthews Band too, but yes, this is the exact profile of a typical R&R HOF voter

They do have other blind spots. Husker Du and the Replacements should 1000% be in there. Reconciling the absence of those two bands with what I'm guessing is the perception of the typical voter is not easy.

(I should have checked before posting that. I know Husker Du isn't--that'll look pretty stupid if the Replacements are in there...I don't think so.)

Also Pixies and Smashing Pumpkins, but they would all have to be nominated first.

Mats aren't believe me this state would have shut down for a week

I would love husker du to get in and I hope the window doesn't close for them because younger folks seem less aware of them (I think they could definitely attract new fans if folks got a little less squeamish talking about how very queer their music is instead of just downplaying it as music by people who happen to be queer)

replacements sure they're important or whatever I don't get it maybe you had to be there but throw em on the pile

Mats aren't believe me this state would have shut down for a week

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, April 25, 2024 3:02 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Jim Walsh immolated himself in front of the HOF in protest of the snub

I doubt the breeders will beat pixies in there but I would love that

has the gen x takeover happened yet or is it still in progress? there is a surprising lack of alt grunge indie stuff aside from the big basic boomer approved highlights and there is such deep bench to pull from even if you want to stick to rockist principles

Gen X will get skipped cuz the boomers won't die off, just like everything else

I guess the RS-approved rap classics is the gen x coming through but it's such a slog and millennials will be ancient by the time we make our voices heard by finally inducting britney or taylor or whoever

Dionne Warwick's in now, and for the time being, I'm giving up on Husker Du/Replacements/Shangri-Las/(and, quirkier, Tommy James). My new #1 HOF project: the Pet Shop Boys.

(What I mean by "project," by the way, is that I'll be travelling the continent and visiting voters one-by-one with a slide show presentation on why the PSB should be elected.)