Acts that sold well but didn't really have a following

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Kind of the flipside to this thread

Bands whose fans were their own subculture

What bands or artists had plenty of hits, often featured high on things like festival bills etc but somehow you never hear people talk about in terms of fandom?

This thread inspired by me thinking about the Lightning Seeds apropos of nothing

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Saturday, 10 February 2024 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

There are so many American radio rock bands like this. I mean, who would say out loud where other people could hear them, "Yeah, I'm a big 3 Doors Down fan"?

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, 10 February 2024 17:40 (two weeks ago) link

Hang out with normal people instead of music nerds and you'd find plenty who'd say that!

the most powerful man in cornish politics (Matt #2), Saturday, 10 February 2024 17:46 (two weeks ago) link

Maroon 5?

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Saturday, 10 February 2024 19:40 (two weeks ago) link

I know these bands have actual fans and play to big audiences, but it’s hard to think of anyone being excited about them.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Saturday, 10 February 2024 19:44 (two weeks ago) link

I also think of like PM Dawn, who sold well but were openly disrespected by the hip hop community.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Saturday, 10 February 2024 19:46 (two weeks ago) link

Thinking about Space (the UK Britpop one, not the better French space disco one) who had a run of EIGHT top 20 singles (well one got to number 21 but close) yet I never met anyone considered themself to be a fan - though I met plenty of people who had bought one or more of their singles.

I've met a few Lightning Seeds fans over the years.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 February 2024 19:47 (two weeks ago) link

For a 1970s-era example I shall nominate Bad Company. Sold 40 million albums (!) but I can't imagine them being more than a band that several million people quite liked, rather than loved. Although there was apparently some guy who was covered in Wishbone Ash tattoos, so maybe there are Bad Company mega-fans too, living their lives in a parasocial relationship with Mick Ralphs or whoever.

the most powerful man in cornish politics (Matt #2), Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:03 (two weeks ago) link

Maroon 5 feels like a good answer, their super bowl halftime show felt like a scales falling from the eyes event, just a mass appalled realization that this was what was considered a superstar group.

OK Go maybe fits here too.

omar little, Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:05 (two weeks ago) link

Are there still Sha Na Na super fans other than Andy Daly’s Hot Dog character?

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:07 (two weeks ago) link

Also feels like UK charts were full of this stuff in the 2010s. Are there really Jess Glynn fans out there? Jessie J fans? Rita Ora fans?

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:13 (two weeks ago) link

foghat

pj, Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:27 (two weeks ago) link

I'm sure I counted myself as a Space fan back in the day of their first album when I was a teenager, went to see them live and enthused about 'Neighbourhood'. My friends and I loved the album. But no, no one really bangs on about them in fond terms or goes around wearing their t shirts and stuff.

PM Dawn literally had a lyric that went "I wanted her to be a big PM Dawn fan / But I had to put her back with the rest / That's the way

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:40 (two weeks ago) link

Oops

..."that's the way it goes / I guess".

They couldn't even get one fan

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:41 (two weeks ago) link

I thought Maroon 5 have fans, non? Isn't Adam Levine considered a bit of a mainstream heartthrob?

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:42 (two weeks ago) link

I have met Maroon 5 fans, I don't get it but they are out there.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 February 2024 20:44 (two weeks ago) link

Weren't there Jesse J fans on this here board? (i.e. The Lex).

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 10 February 2024 21:13 (two weeks ago) link

wouldn't really count astonishment at someone's ridiculousness the same as being a fan.

will say though, Jessie J is HUGE in China now, she saw an opportunity there and she took it.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 10 February 2024 21:16 (two weeks ago) link

Now and again I meet a hardcore fan of someone who I'd never think of as having hardcore fans, eg someone at work being really into Delta Goodrem, so I draw back from thinking there are any big acts without proper fans/followings.

Then again I imagine Lightning Seeds fans existing, but just quietly saying to people they know that Ian Broudie is actually a genius, and maybe that feels distinct from active visible subcultures/internet brigades.

Not sure what my point is but yes I would like to see 'juggalos, but for the lightning seeds'.

woof, Saturday, 10 February 2024 21:25 (two weeks ago) link

It is telling that the Lightning Seeds sold loads of records in the 90s but these days only seem to be playing smaller concert halls. I saw them open for Squeeze in 2010 and people clapped politely but no one was particularly arsed they were there

They weren't even a live band until Jollification, so wonder if that has anything to do with it

PaulTMA, Sunday, 11 February 2024 13:09 (two weeks ago) link

Supergrass. You never meet any hardcore Supergrass fans do you?

piscesx, Monday, 12 February 2024 00:45 (two weeks ago) link

I knew a guy who had a Supergrass cardboard promo in his apartment when

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 12 February 2024 00:57 (two weeks ago) link

Not sure where when came from

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 12 February 2024 00:58 (two weeks ago) link

My wife is a Supergrass fan

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Monday, 12 February 2024 01:01 (two weeks ago) link

Back in the day I remember them being described as "everybody's second favorite band".

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 12 February 2024 01:23 (two weeks ago) link

"Reality Used To Be A Friend of Mine" still a theme song of mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AtHRBFIzBA

dow, Monday, 12 February 2024 01:33 (two weeks ago) link

Some of us Prince fans liked 'em too, just seemed logical.

dow, Monday, 12 February 2024 01:35 (two weeks ago) link

But in the 60s, The Grass Roots and everybody else (with any hits, at least) had an fan club: so some kind of following, of whatever size, duration, intensity.
Pamela Des Barres (Miss Pamela of the GTOs) got into rockland Hollywood by running the Captain Beefheart Fan Club in middle school, as she specifies in I'm With The Band---so yes even he, being some kind of optimistic about hits, like any others. (And who wouldn't want a fan club?)

dow, Monday, 12 February 2024 01:45 (two weeks ago) link

Supergrass absolutely had and have a following.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 12 February 2024 07:20 (two weeks ago) link

the number of Gaz Coombes threads on ILM alone proves this

wang mang band (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 February 2024 07:29 (two weeks ago) link

the "pm dawn fan" line is from their first hit, obv not some kind of statement on the type of 'following' they inspired (or didn't)

dyl, Monday, 12 February 2024 13:54 (two weeks ago) link

Did Status Quo have an actual following?

MarkoP, Monday, 12 February 2024 14:14 (two weeks ago) link

yes, I remember when they did a guiness world record most gigs in a day thing, it was about 1990, they used a helicopter to get between them or sth, there were a gang of hardcore Quo fans aged 10-12 who were trying to follow them

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 12 February 2024 14:19 (two weeks ago) link

Seriously? Of course they did!

The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Monday, 12 February 2024 14:20 (two weeks ago) link

I'm not from the UK nor alive in the 70s, so Status Quo is very much a blind spot and a mystery to me.

MarkoP, Monday, 12 February 2024 14:22 (two weeks ago) link

They did Picture of Matchstick Men, right?

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 12 February 2024 14:23 (two weeks ago) link

They had seriously hardcore fans - and no doubt still have.

The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Monday, 12 February 2024 14:24 (two weeks ago) link

yeah I feel like this thread is gonna be condemned to being "acts whose fans I don't know of because our demographics don't mix"

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 12 February 2024 14:30 (two weeks ago) link

Quo had multiple hits in the 1990s with shit medleys of rock & roll hits over the same chugging boogie rhythm

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 12 February 2024 14:31 (two weeks ago) link

I seem to recall Steve Malkmus being a very outspoken fan of Status Quo

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 12 February 2024 14:35 (two weeks ago) link

Status Quo fans were known as the Quo Army. They also had their own fan chant! I'd say that was a following.

the most powerful man in cornish politics (Matt #2), Monday, 12 February 2024 14:44 (two weeks ago) link

think it's easier to think fondly of Quo if you (as an American) know them as a decent psych-rock one hit wonder and not (as a britisher) as a band with more hits than the beatles across four decades, most of which are both samey and shit. when they used to turn up for totp with another 5-minute medleys my heart would sink.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 12 February 2024 14:44 (two weeks ago) link

Like Steven Malkmus, I will defend them up till about 1976. After that forget it.

the most powerful man in cornish politics (Matt #2), Monday, 12 February 2024 14:45 (two weeks ago) link

I only know them for the song they did with Scooter

frogbs, Monday, 12 February 2024 14:46 (two weeks ago) link

I saw a tabloid headline some years ago with one Quo saying "I hardly think about the other Quo", who had recently passed away. Not quite as sad as Ray Davies spending most of his set when I saw him slagging off Dave (though can't say I was surprised), but kinda sad.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 12 February 2024 14:52 (two weeks ago) link

I'm not a Quo fan but most of their 70s hits were OK and some were great.

The British Boy of Film Classification (Tom D.), Monday, 12 February 2024 15:03 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, early 70s Quo albs are great, more varied than their reputation suggests and sometimes surprisingly heavy. Fans of AC/DC or Thin Lizzy would definitely have a good time with recs like Quo from 74. Even now they're touring reasonably sized venues - and seem to be very popular in Germany

https://www.statusquo.co.uk/tour

Ward Fowler, Monday, 12 February 2024 15:04 (two weeks ago) link

Supergrass were the favourite band of Nicky Graham (RIP) of Big Brother UK stardom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXOV2zeN61o

PaulTMA, Monday, 12 February 2024 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

There are so many American radio rock bands like this. I mean, who would say out loud where other people could hear them, "Yeah, I'm a big 3 Doors Down fan"?

― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Saturday, February 10, 2024 12:40 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hang out with normal people instead of music nerds and you'd find plenty who'd say that!

― the most powerful man in cornish politics (Matt #2), Saturday, February 10, 2024 12:46 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Saw someone in a Three Doors Down t-shirt last month, and it's rare that I see anyone wearing a band shirt (other than those that are being endlessly printed and available everywhere, like Def Leppard and Nirvana)

peace, man, Monday, 12 February 2024 15:19 (two weeks ago) link

Are there still Sha Na Na super fans other than Andy Daly’s Hot Dog character?

― B. Amato (Boring, Maryland)

probably not, but even when i was a fan i never really knew any of the members except bowzer, whose career has gone full will smith since he started appearing in the "super mario bros" series of games

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 12 February 2024 16:01 (two weeks ago) link

Lou Bega's one of those performers where I wouldn't be surprised if he had a huge following in Switzerland or Denmark or somewhere like that.

― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, February 12, 2024 1:05 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lou Bega is from Germany so probably there

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 February 2024 22:12 (two weeks ago) link

Cappadonna has been vindicated by history, The Pillage is considered an underground classic now

Bleek and Obie are maybe the best examples yet, especially because their sales were largely due to their association with an era-defining all-time popular rapper (Jay and Em)....Young Buck might be another good example...Shyne, etc.

though I see a lot of stuff where rappers who are really popular now can't sell tour dates, I know there was that Lil Baby/Nicki tour that got cancelled

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 February 2024 22:14 (two weeks ago) link

That reminds me of Suzanne Vega writing recently about how her management booked a huge tour after "Luka" was a big hit, and barely anyone showed up to the first show or two... so they canceled the rest.

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Monday, 12 February 2024 22:21 (two weeks ago) link

Fun looking at the Spotify monthly listeners numbers for these.

Looking at that cohort of 90s-10s rappers, we have...
Obie Trice 1.9M
Young Buck 905K
Memphis Bleek 440K
Shyne 272K
Cappadonna 151K

Obie would def be a lot less popular without Dre and Em on his top tracks.
Odd that Shyne and Cappadonna are essentially as Spotify-popular as things like David Sylvian, Marie Osmond and The Blow Monkeys. Bless.

mr.raffles, Monday, 12 February 2024 22:47 (two weeks ago) link

is anybody listening to Freeway these days?

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 00:51 (two weeks ago) link

Freeway is a god

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 00:57 (two weeks ago) link

Shyne is in the House of Representatives in Belize and I think the head of his party he's probably not sweating it anymore

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 00:58 (two weeks ago) link

i have friends who are Maroon 5 and Matchbox 20 fans, though in both cases it's more like "I really like their hit songs/that one album they did" rather than a hardcore following

the one band I have a hard time believing having any serious fans despite having big hits is Smash Mouth

Roz, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 01:38 (two weeks ago) link

I have a friend who I shit you not is an obsessive fan of Dada the "Dizz Knee Land" song

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 01:43 (two weeks ago) link

I feel like it’s more that people are fans of a certain era of radio than a specific group

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 01:44 (two weeks ago) link

but he likes their albums and deep cuts and shit and had travelled to see them, crazy he's gotta be the only one

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 01:45 (two weeks ago) link

Some others with lowish monthly Spotify numbers—

Missing Persons 188.6 k
Romeo Void 107.6 k
Book of Love 75k
The Call 92 k

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 02:03 (two weeks ago) link

Even Husker Du, who never had a hit, streams higher than those guys

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 02:05 (two weeks ago) link

311 absolutely have an obsessive following. They do fan cruises almost every year, although this year they're doing a festival in Vegas instead. And my 50something brother-in-law is such a big fan that when my sister bought him one of those MAME arcade cabinets full of 1000 games last year, she got one decked out in 311 artwork instead of any actual game images.

There are probably still teenagers who fall into 311 once they start smoking dope, but I'm positive these cruises are 95% people in their 40s and 50s spending a weekend away from their kids.

charlie brown from outta town (GM), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 02:16 (two weeks ago) link

love the 311 arcade cabinet, hope it ends up in a museum 100 years from now

have never met a Supertramp Superfan, or really anyone who was familiar with anything beyond the hits, but they were a pretty big deal for a minute right? maybe it's different in Europe, full disclosure I am a Supertramp Superfan

Florin Cuchares, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 03:26 (two weeks ago) link

my local sports talk radio station was in a tizzy when one of the younger hosts declared 311 better than the Beatles to the chagrin of the older hosts

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 03:28 (two weeks ago) link

I know a dude who's a huge Supertramp fan.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 03:35 (two weeks ago) link

Supertramp was an Album band as well as a Singles band

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 03:39 (two weeks ago) link

supertramp were also studio ringers like Mr mister, cutting crew

brimstead, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 03:45 (two weeks ago) link

the parody of them in Fear of a Black Hat

this was p good iirc (aimn)

bae (sic), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 04:35 (two weeks ago) link

When I was selling off someone's dad prog CD collection a few years ago Supertramp fans were probably the most obnoxious people to deal with, along with Judie Tzuke megafans for some reason.

the most powerful man in cornish politics (Matt #2), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 04:37 (two weeks ago) link

OK Go is an interesting answer, Omar. People love their videos (understandably) but I am not aware of anyone I know ever buying and listening to their recordings.

And I say this as someone who owns multiple Cake albums.

Sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 05:01 (two weeks ago) link

I once met a guy who's number one absolute favourite musician was David Lindley...

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 06:09 (two weeks ago) link

Did the Insane Clown Posse have a following ? I can't find any source

Nabozo, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 08:37 (two weeks ago) link

I seem to remember reading something about it on ILM but it was a very brief mention and lost to time. Something bout jigglers or something?

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 08:54 (two weeks ago) link

AZ is another one of those "rappers mates", apparently he had 4 number one albums on the Rap charts in the US?

Also dance acts that didn't have a DJing career - like 2 Unlimited, Cappella, Twenty 4 Seven, Haddaway, Snap!, Cascada, Alcazar, Technotronic, Alice Deejay, Rednex - a couple of big selling hits, but people clearly were more interested in the songs than in following the people making them.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 09:41 (two weeks ago) link

A lot of those acts were more than just one-hit wonders, but would it be fair to say that you'd have to have had at least two or three popular albums to qualify for the thread?

Rednex are a franchise now I think - you can literally start your own Rednex band and hire yourselves out for corporate dos etc

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 09:46 (two weeks ago) link

I'm sure that's right... Although looking at their wiki I can't see much about it. Is this a thing? I know Linkin Park are like a venture capitalist firm or somethig now

...eh you get the gist of it (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 09:47 (two weeks ago) link

AZ has a follower because he’s one of the all time great rappers

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:05 (two weeks ago) link

A following

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:46 (two weeks ago) link

I have a friend who I shit you not is an obsessive fan of Dada the "Dizz Knee Land" song


Do we have a thread for “Bands that sound nothing like their name”?

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:55 (two weeks ago) link

AZ is an absolute monster

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 14:01 (two weeks ago) link

last two albums are great and even got reviewed on Pitchfork

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 14:01 (two weeks ago) link

And I say this as someone who owns multiple Cake albums.

― Sane clown posse (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, February 12, 2024 11:01 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Cake are sort of the opposite of this, they somehow remain weirdly popular despite the fact that they haven't released an album in 13 years and haven't had a hit since 2001

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 15:48 (two weeks ago) link

Met a girl once whose favourite band was Cake, I said "oh, I like The Distance" and she said that was the only one of their songs she didn't like. Still don't think I've fully recovered from this tbh.

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 16:00 (two weeks ago) link

I was in that camp too! I got into them because a friend had Prolonging the Magic and every song from it started getting stuck in my head. it was a few months later that I realized "oh, they did *that* song"

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 16:03 (two weeks ago) link

Lou Bega's one of those performers where I wouldn't be surprised if he had a huge following in Switzerland or Denmark or somewhere like that.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, February 12, 2024 1:05 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

for some reason i was reading about this big music fest in azerbaijan, kinda the only state sanctioned one annually. he was headlining in 2020

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:47 (two weeks ago) link

The Toadies are another one with a surprisingly strong cult following

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:53 (two weeks ago) link

interesting thing about Lou Bega is the stage name comes from his Ugandan surname ("Lubega")

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

the Toadies are interesting, cos they should have dried up. "Possum Kingdom" was Top 40 in the radio charts, they were on The Crow: City of Angels soundtrack, featuring a song whose riff MTV used as a bumper for years in the 90s, then their follow-up album is shelved, so they never should have had a resurgence.

local radio never quit playing the Toadies though, "Possum Kingdom" and "Away" and even other cuts from that album. and I feel like WJRR sponsored a Toadies show that sold out fast at House of Blues.

can't hate - I do like the Toadies

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 18:04 (two weeks ago) link

Lou Bega's second biggest song on Spotify is a collaboration with Scatman John from 2019.

Scatman John died in 1999.

I don't know what to do with any of this information.

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:05 (two weeks ago) link

wait until you hear it and find out it's pretty good

This is Dance Anthems, have some respect (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:08 (two weeks ago) link

Shortly after the track's release, he told Jason Lipshutz of Billboard that he was inspired to create the track by the fact that Scatman John died in the same year that "Mambo No. 5" was released

Kim Kimberly, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:09 (two weeks ago) link

1, 2, 3, 4, 5
I'm the artist on this track that's still alive

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:10 (two weeks ago) link

oh yeah "Scatman and Hatman" is surprisingly fun

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:15 (two weeks ago) link

interesting thing about Lou Bega is the stage name comes from his Ugandan surname ("Lubega")

― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:54 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

that's true of a lot of famous musicians for example Matthew Chadkroeger

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:17 (two weeks ago) link

Ha! Scat & Hat ain't bad!

Am I gonna find a Fatman Scoop collab too if I poke around a lil more?

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:21 (two weeks ago) link

do you really think he could rock the jam once again?

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 19:22 (two weeks ago) link

I'm sure the Scatman John estate had good intentions when they signed off on this

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 23:32 (two weeks ago) link


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