Björk's losses for the best alternative album Grammy ... which album that beat her is the dumbest?

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In honor of Björk receiving her record 9th nomination in the best alternative music album Grammy category, an award she's never won to date, which of the albums that won over her was the worst? (Not including the latest four albums that are surely going to hand her her 9th loss.)

Nirvana, MTV Unplugged in New York
Radiohead, OK Computer
Coldplay, Parachutes
Wilco, A Ghost Is Born
The White Stripes, Icky Thump
Gotye, Making Mirrors
Alabama Shakes, Sound & Color
Beck, Colors


ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:33 (three weeks ago) link

def that beck album

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:37 (three weeks ago) link

Are we straight up voting for the worst album in the pack or the one that we feel least deserved to beat the corresponding Bjork album?

Indexed, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:38 (three weeks ago) link

I didn't include which albums they beat because, yeah, Homogenic not winning is a crime but OK Computer is maybe only the 5th or 6th least dumbest album in this group.

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:38 (three weeks ago) link

Like Parachutes is definitely not the worst album here but had absolutely no business beating Vespertine.

Indexed, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:39 (three weeks ago) link

I won't dictate how people vote here ... Beck's could be the dumbest but also Utopia might be Björk's dumbest, so shrug.gif

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:40 (three weeks ago) link

Parachutes also has the least place being in an "alternative album" category considering how much it sold.

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:41 (three weeks ago) link

I can honestly say I've not listened to any single song from the Gotye album that wasn't the huge hit. And that's the one that beat Biophilia, which has become my favorite post-Vespertine album. Is Gotye's album any good?

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:46 (three weeks ago) link

(Side note, the Grammy nominations started 48 minutes ago and are still going on. I think this is my last year even paying muscle-memory attention to this entertainment awards relic.)

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:48 (three weeks ago) link

God I love the 'alternative' genre

jmm, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:50 (three weeks ago) link

i completely forgot that beck album existed. i listened to "up all night" first. that will be the last new beck song i ever listen to, i think.

voted beck, colors

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:56 (three weeks ago) link

i hate new music that sounds like that. why does all new music sound like that

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:56 (three weeks ago) link

i listened to that gotye record once or twice when it came out. pretty ok iirc

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:58 (three weeks ago) link

it winning over biophilia is a bit much but that's like typical "grammy dumb," beck's colors winning any category is more like "grammy braindead"

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 17:59 (three weeks ago) link

anyway, utopia is good

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:00 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah the Beck album is the worst, but Vespertine was so much better than Parachutes than Biophilia was over Colors

octobeard, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:01 (three weeks ago) link

Sorry, I'd rather listen to Volta for the rest of my life and nothing else than sit through Utopia one more time

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:05 (three weeks ago) link

parachutes is... fucking awesome, idk how they got that atmosphere where it's obv a loud guitar rock album but it feels like it's being whispered to you in a dark room, and idk why they abandoned it to be more like u2, but it's great, vespertine is obv the better more artful portrayal of domestica but i am not mad at parachutes winning

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:06 (three weeks ago) link

i was 18 when vespertine came out. i'm trying to remember, how was it received when it came out, among fans? i think in my little circle i was the really annoying whiny one who was slightly disappointed by it. i loved homogenic and post, so, so much. i wanted more of that. i thought it was too experimental for my tastes. (and yes, anyone who had good ears knew how good it was, immediately. i remember melissa w absolutely gushing about it on the radiohead msgboard and thinking "what is she hearing in this?!")

now i hear nothing but immense beauty in vespertine, and it also seems very, very accessible, like one pop hit after another.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:08 (three weeks ago) link

Yep, as I said upthread, I'm not mad at Radiohead winning even if I think it's also ridiculous

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:09 (three weeks ago) link

My experience with Vespertine was a little bit counterinstinctual ... it came out roughly around 9/11 and I decided I didn't want to experience a new Björk album in that context. I finally gave in during the holidays a couple months later and the album's textures immediately turned it into my new favorite Christmas album. Which it's basically been ever since.

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:10 (three weeks ago) link

it is definitely her most wintery album, i think, and i'd like to think i'd still believe that even if there wasn't a song called "frosti" on it

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:16 (three weeks ago) link

maybe controversial but Gotye is pretty good, Peter Gabriel-inspired art pop with a fair amount of experimentation and world influences. Like Drawing Blood was far more creative than Making Mirrors but also didn't sell 2 million units. I have never cared for anything from Alabama Shakes, but I have a higher bar for Beck.

Indexed, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:19 (three weeks ago) link

Convenient that those poll choices are already ranked in order of quality.

enochroot, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:33 (three weeks ago) link

Side note, insane to see that the Grammys are still throwing noms to the Black Pumas for their debut record from... checks notes... 2019.

Congratulations 65th #GRAMMYs Best Boxed Or Special Limited Edition Package nominees: Artists Inspired by Music: Interscope Reimagined; @dannyelfman; @BlackPumasMusic; @tmbg; and @GratefulDead: https://t.co/zovEzfXor6 pic.twitter.com/fTTDcLGUTe

— Recording Academy / GRAMMYs (@RecordingAcad) November 15, 2022

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:36 (three weeks ago) link

St. Vincent's album was better than Beck's or Utopia that year.

Beck deserves to have shelf full of Grammy trophies (eight and counting), but most of them have come from his post 2010s work which I guess is par for the course with the Grammy Awards.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:37 (three weeks ago) link

I'd put A Ghost Is Born and Icky Thump over Parachutes.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:39 (three weeks ago) link

Convenient that those poll choices are already ranked in order of quality.

Well music has been in a downward spiral for decades now right?

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:41 (three weeks ago) link

Yep, as I said upthread, I'm not mad at Radiohead winning even if I think it's also ridiculous

It's ridiculous Radiohead didn't win Album of the Year for OK Computer over Dylan imho

octobeard, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:50 (three weeks ago) link

When is the AOTY winner NOT ridiculous? (I can probably count on one hand when it isn't.)

birdistheword, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 19:10 (three weeks ago) link

Out of curiosity, I went through AOTY every year. It's not as bad as I thought.

Probably five were good calls, maybe six I'm on the fence about. At least twelve are very good, maybe even really good, but no way do they deserve AOTY.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 19:36 (three weeks ago) link

Beck got his most ridiculous nom to date today, for the cover of Neil Young's "Old Man" he did in honor of Tom Brady and the NFL.

Chris L, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 19:48 (three weeks ago) link

It would be smart if Big Thief beat her this year.

Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 19:51 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, Big Thief deserves it more, but maybe she'll win as a consolation for all the times she should have but didn't.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 20:09 (three weeks ago) link

When is the AOTY winner NOT ridiculous? (I can probably count on one hand when it isn't.)

Three of those fingers better be Stevie Wonder

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 20:10 (three weeks ago) link

that beck album was pretty bad but i did apparently like "Square One" enough to keep the mp3 when i deleted the rest of the album

ciderpress, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 20:23 (three weeks ago) link

Three of those fingers better be Stevie Wonder

Two were good calls. Fulfillingness' First Finale was on the fence - it was up against Court and Spark, but there were also a LOT of great (and arguably better) albums that weren't nominated: Pretzel Logic, Stranded, I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight, Late for the Sky, Too Much Too Soon, Red, Grievous Angel, Radio City, Good Old Boys, On The Beach, It's Too Late To Stop Now, Veedon Fleece, Country Life...

birdistheword, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 21:10 (three weeks ago) link

Limiting it to the nominees didn't feel right. In some cases it bolstered the case for the winner, but in a lot of cases, all five nominees were lacking and it just seemed shitty to say something deserved to win when it wasn't that great of an album.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 21:12 (three weeks ago) link

Didn't we just not care about the Grammies a few years ago?

imago, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 21:38 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah the Beck album is the worst, but Vespertine was so much better than Parachutes than Biophilia was over Colors

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✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 21:44 (three weeks ago) link

I saw that Gotye tour and they were great.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:15 (three weeks ago) link

I assume from the noms Big Thief will win this year - maybe not because grammys - but I think it’s baffling they nommed Arcade Fire. Not only because Win Butler, but because WE is not a good album. So many actually good albums they could have picked instead like idk: Beach House or Arctic Monkeys or Nilufer Yanya or Aldous Harding or Cate Lebon or Ethel Cain… I could go on but Arcade Fire are definitely not runner-ups on a list of the 50 best alternatives albums of 2022 for me.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 02:25 (three weeks ago) link

nominating the boring arcade fire album is an extremely grammys move

ufo, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 03:00 (three weeks ago) link

what's this stuff the alternative to again?

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 03:05 (three weeks ago) link

Michael Buble i think

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 03:14 (three weeks ago) link

There was a White Stripes album called Icky Thump? The Archers of Loaf were probably pissed.

Icky Thump the song was a fanbase-propelled No. 2 hit in the UK, despite being a tuneless acid rock jam that can barely hold itself together (yet it's one of the handful of Stripes songs I like).

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 16:55 (three weeks ago) link

I cannot hear Wow without my dad remarking that it was the Clangers when the intro was used in a pub music quiz. This improves my enjoying of it a lot.

As for the rest of Colors I remember nothing except the other notional hit which was pretty good but sounded from about 2008/09 (not an inherently bad thing ofc, quite the opposite). The Grammys really take to Beck don't they - my friends who hate Jacob Collier might make similar if vague accusations about Beck's Grammys relationship if they didn't think he was any good.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 16:59 (three weeks ago) link

I hated Colors when it came out, it felt like Beck was consciously trying to be contemporary and make pop hits rather than follow his own path. Months later I saw him at Riot Fest where he put on a great show as a headliner - hearing him mix his back catalog with the new material actually made sense of it. Like everyone's picked up on how Colors was evoking or lifting hooks from more recent records like the Weeknd's "Can't Feel My Face," MGMT, etc. Hearing those tracks next to his most famous hits where he weaved in plenty of familiar samples, it sounded like he was updating the same approach on Colors but exploring what was now playing on the radio rather than diving into old record bins. It's still a lightweight album but I can at least enjoy it now.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 17:28 (three weeks ago) link

I'm glad there's some muted defence of Colors on this thread, so I don't have to do it myself, though I can't compare it to Utopia

Has St. Vincent entered her latter-day Beck phase - institutional acclaim and hipster disdain?

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 17:52 (three weeks ago) link


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