Does it bother you when music gets associated with stupid tv shows/movies?

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Kind of got into this in the Kate Bush thread

For some unknown reason, I was listening to Velvet Revolver’s cover of Pink Floyd’s “money” on YouTube. The most popular comment was this guy going “The Italian Job, anybody?”

I don’t think this is some hipster “let me have my special snowflake shit” thing. I’ve never seen the Italian Job and this cover is the worst thing I’ve ever heard in my life. Yet this still annoys me for some reason! It’s like, music as just a fucking data field or something.

Like, I swear it seemed like it treated as a noteworthy event that a Nirvana song was in the new Batman movie. Who cares?

brimstead, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 01:30 (two weeks ago) link

I'm not sure if by "stupid" you literally mean the quality of the movie or TV show, or if the "stupid" is meant more generally, i.e. any movie or TV show. If the former, maybe, probably, but I can't think of an example off-hand. If the latter, definitely not. There are many really good movies and TV shows that have essentially taken ownership of certain songs for me.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 01:40 (two weeks ago) link

Right, you just wrote a book on the subject, am I right? I kind of mean a mixture of both definitions of “stupid”. It can make a film more stupid. I blame Wes Anderson.

brimstead, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 01:43 (two weeks ago) link

I agree his use of pop music has gone steadily downhill since Rushmore and The Royal Tenenbaums.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 01:47 (two weeks ago) link

When I was watching the Batman movie, I texted my friend: “lol, this movie has another brooding Nirvana cover”… and he was like, “Uh, that’s actually Nirvana”

Creature Catcher (Live) (morrisp), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:02 (two weeks ago) link

I hate it, for unfashionable reasons best presented in this piece:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/a-thin-line-between-love-and-hate/

gucci meme (theStalePrince), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:07 (two weeks ago) link

I don't really see how, e.g., discovering "Carry On My Wayward Son" through its use on the TV show Supernatural is any stupider than hearing a DJ introduce it on WMMS 'The Buzzard' in 1976. Most of the ways we discover music are stupid (parasitic, consumerist); fortunately music is strong enough to withstand it.

Attached by piercing jewelry (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:14 (two weeks ago) link

Putting that song in Supernatural spoiled it for the people who only knew it from South Park.

everything, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:18 (two weeks ago) link

Gen Alpha getting heavily into "Sweet Child O' Mine" via the Thor: Love and Thunder symphonic trailer rendition.

Creature Catcher (Live) (morrisp), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:30 (two weeks ago) link

lol

I defy anyone to argue with a straight face that Chris Pratt flying around in his spaceship listening to sentimental mixtapes is somehow stupider than Pitchfork running a review of the Slanted & Enchanted reissue that was handwritten on notebook paper. Both are ridiculous, and it's awesome! Sometimes music makes people act ridiculous. If you want a life that is broad enough to encompass both music *and* other people, you make your peace with that fact pretty quickly.

Attached by piercing jewelry (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:34 (two weeks ago) link

The only one that's ever bothered me is "Lust For Life" being used in a cruise commercial for years so when I hear it I get a mental image of a helicopter shot of a giant white cruise ship.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:38 (two weeks ago) link

I hate it when it's like a tap on the shoulder - "hey, we all love this tune, don't we?" Or I'm supposed to be bowled over at the unexpected musical vistas that are opened up by someone covering some old warhorse on a ukulele.
When I was a teenager I felt in was unjust that most of the music I loved was invisible; now I often cringe if I hear music I know interpolated into a show. Media has become so overweighted with cultural overtones instead of creating moment-by-moment engagement.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:02 (two weeks ago) link

Bernard expresses my own view pretty succinctly: "fortunately music is strong enough to withstand it." I posted an Airbnb commercial today that uses "Shelter from the Storm." There are people who will hear the song that never would have heard it otherwise. Maybe they won't even notice, or maybe they'll love it and proceed from there.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:06 (two weeks ago) link

I don't mind it at all. It's no different than a DJ dropping a great song into a set: when it's done well and at the right moment (like lots of music cues in "The Americans," for example) it can be perfect. And a great song-based soundtrack can capture the mood or vibe of a movie or TV show without necessarily being linked to specific scenes (hence some "songs inspired by ..." collections), and of course at the same time it can give music a new life by way of fresh context. For example, when I was picking up a kid from something today and "Mr. Blue Sky" came on, she asked, "wasn't this from a Marvel movie?" I'd much rather her hear a good song because of a Marvel movie or whatever than not at all. (Related, I have friends that *hate* ELO because of bad memories of being stuck in the back of a car during long car trips and hearing the same songs on AM radio over and over again.)

What I don't like is when it's lazy, like, I dunno, Scorsese using "Gimme Shelter" three times.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:08 (two weeks ago) link

I don’t care how people discover music. That’s not what I’m talking about…

brimstead, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:11 (two weeks ago) link

“(like lots of music cues in "The Americans," for example)”

Lol I shouldn’t have started this thread. I know I have brain damage. I just think it’s almost always corny as hell when this is done whether the song is good or not.

brimstead, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:18 (two weeks ago) link

Brain Damage / Eclipse? You should hear the Velvet Revolver cover!

Creature Catcher (Live) (morrisp), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:40 (two weeks ago) link

I was pretty whatever on the Kate Bush/Stranger Things deal until I saw like 3 basic ass Instagram reels pushed on me by IG in a day featuring Running Up That Hill and I wanted to push the “nuke the kids, normies, and anyone else associated” button.

My friend told me he saw a bad Pink Floyd cover band play it the other week but that struck me as more funny than anything.

circa1916, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:54 (two weeks ago) link

it's annoying if whatever movie/tv show/advertisement a song becomes associated with somehow eclipses the songs original intent/context/general vibe

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 09:19 (two weeks ago) link

Clemenza - there's also an airbnb ad with a Spanish-language cover of "Walk on the Wild Side," lol

Nutellanor Roosevelt (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 09:30 (two weeks ago) link

There are degrees of association.

When I saw "GTA Liberty City" comments under Selah Collins' "Pick A Sound" on youtube I thought "huh, fair play that music supervisor."

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 09:55 (two weeks ago) link

also I don't mind Misirlou being very heavily associated with Pulp Fiction, John Travolta and Samuel L Jackson completely eclipsing any images of surfboards when it comes on

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 10:00 (two weeks ago) link

Pulp Fiction supplanted by that Black Eyed Peas song anyway, alas

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 10:07 (two weeks ago) link

yikes

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 10:10 (two weeks ago) link

My kid was watching Sing 2 and Mercury Rev jam from Deserter’s Songs played during a scene. I was pretty surprised.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 11:13 (two weeks ago) link

well if you make your record sound like a disney movie

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 11:38 (two weeks ago) link

I don't watch a lot of movies, but I definitely value soundtracks over actual songs. If it's a comedy I don't mind, it's usually harmless and trashy. But when you can hear the director showcasing his taste, trying to make his own three-minute video clip, or worst of all, trying to elevate a climatic moment with a super predictable / hackneyed music placement, I cringe. I blame the few who did it well: Lost in Translation, Trainspotting or whoever started that trend.

I also resent it when the first google result for a novel that I have just read is the film adaptation that I haven't seen. I guess it's an issue of making one art a subsidiary of the other, the unwanted, random, arbitrary nature of the associations, especially when the end result is "worse" than the source material and distorts it.

Nabozo, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 11:43 (two weeks ago) link

This has been happening long enough now that I know my annoyance at hearing Minutemen or Buzzcocks in a car commercial or whatever is fleeting, because my memory of the commercial will fade and I'll largely stop associating the song with it after a while. Score one for getting old.

Chris L, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 11:43 (two weeks ago) link

I also resent it when the first google result for a novel that I have just read is the film adaptation that I haven't seen. I guess it's an issue of making one art a subsidiary of the other, the unwanted, random, arbitrary nature of the associations, especially when the end result is "worse" than the source material and distorts it.

otm

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 11:56 (two weeks ago) link

Xpost: yeah I have terrible memory regarding tv shows/ads/movies but great musical memory. As time passes only the memory of the song itself remains and not where I heard it first.

That said, using great music to try to elevate your shit movie/ad is obviously a dud.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 13:03 (two weeks ago) link

But if it gets younger audiences to discover their new favorite artist then why not.

Skateboard drinking juice guy on tiktok revived Fleetwood Mac and Stranger Things revived Kate Bush and I don’t mind it at all. Sure hearing “oh the stranger things” song will be annoying but if it gets only 1% of the newfound KB audience to listen to more songs of her and become fans I’m happy.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 13:09 (two weeks ago) link

I now like to claim that Volkswagen single-handedly gave us Nick Drake, which is probably false

Nabozo, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 13:48 (two weeks ago) link

Also VW created The Books

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 13:49 (two weeks ago) link

Or was that Jeep?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 13:50 (two weeks ago) link

I actually don't like the idea that artists need to be revived, as opposed to living and dying "naturally" on their own strength, probably an ideal that is in complete denial of commercial realities. I just can't help thinking that the extra 1% Kate Bush fans is an artificial and ephemeral relevance that cannot sustain her much more than her own records have already done. But I guess they do and it's egoistical if those people were not going to discover Kate Bush otherwise. I also probably have to accept that the million SW prequels and sequels have contributed to the legacy of the original franchise. It's just tough to see that new generations need new products to connect to older products. Gosh I sound old.

Nabozo, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 14:08 (two weeks ago) link

Then again not everyone has the chance to discover Kate Bush through posts on online music communities like I did :)

Nabozo, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 14:12 (two weeks ago) link

It doesn’t ruin a song for me if it is presented to a wider audience via a movie - In fact John Waters movies introduced me to a rich seam of music I wouldn’t have encountered otherwise, and I couldn’t care less how a gatekeeper of those genres felt about it.

Songs being used for adverts on the other hand are generally sullied forever. I especially hate the current trend of using a section of a song, then skipping out a few lines or bars of that section to fit in the advert space. Just use another song, there are millions out there!

Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 14:18 (two weeks ago) link

Maybe this should go in the "Post a controversial music opinion" thread: I wish all directors and music supervisors would make a pact to limit their needle drops to songs with fewer than a certain number of Spotify streams (10,000,000 seems reasonable, although I'd be fine with 1 million). Maybe being a late-period Gen Xer, where much of my music-listening years predated the era where you had the near-complete ability to hear (and avoid) whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted, makes my view outmoded among modern generations. But with the astronomical number of great songs being released every week, in addition to the yet-to-be-unearthed catalog tracks out there, there's just no reason to throw the same billion-stream warhorses at us year after year.

Front-loaded albums are musical gerrymandering (Prefecture), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

It seemed such a weird choice for Ms. Marvel to start off with that Weeknd song that's been inescapable for a few years.

Yeah that was a minus for me (just b/c I don’t like the song).

Creature Catcher (Live) (morrisp), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 15:00 (two weeks ago) link

Xxpost: oh I know the revive probably doesn’t do that much financially for artists. I meant it more on a cultural level, always happy to connect with other generations via a mutual music understanding.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 15:04 (two weeks ago) link

Then again not everyone has the chance to discover Kate Bush through posts on online music communities like I did :)


Or, for me, 80s college radio

Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

When I was watching the Batman movie, I texted my friend: “lol, this movie has another brooding Nirvana cover”… and he was like, “Uh, that’s actually Nirvana”

I winced when I heard "Corona" on Jackass and "In The Street" on the 70s Show, but knowing that the Boon Family and Alex Chilton were getting royalty checks made it easier to take.

pplains, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 15:15 (two weeks ago) link

I definitely hate it when a piece of music gets associated with actually crap media, and I confess sometimes I get a bit narky about something that is "my thing" being exposed too widely (this is a failing of mine, nothing to be proud of). I also would like it if more films had proper scoring, though I've got nothing against the jukebox soundtrack style, not really. There are definitely times when it comes across as smug showing-off, but a lot of the time it works well. My desire for scoring is more about having more new and interesting things to listen to, rather than a deep hatred of the other option.

In general, I reckon this is a p minor thing to be bothered about.

emil.y, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 15:42 (two weeks ago) link

I don’t think this is some hipster “let me have my special snowflake shit” thing. I’ve never seen the Italian Job and this cover is the worst thing I’ve ever heard in my life. Yet this still annoys me for some reason! It’s like, music as just a fucking data field or something.

― brimstead

honestly i'm feeling like caping for the "special snowflake" shit! a lot of music for me is _social_, is contextual, is linked to where and how i've heard it, what it's meant to me over the years. where and when you first hear a song is only part of that story, but for a lot of songs it's like the whole story. people here "running up that hill" in a popular tv show i've never seen and you know i think that's awesome, i think more people _should_ hear kate bush and a lot of those folks will go on to, i don't know, be the sort of folks who used to hang out on rec.music.gaffa back in the day. their finding out about kate bush through that show isn't any less meaningful than my first encountering kate bush by seeing the "cloudbusting" video played one day on american mtv while i was home sick from school and thinking of it as some weird sort of fever dream for decades afterwards. i think there's some sort of... experiencing a song, every time i experience it it takes on something of the qualities of the way in which i experience it, and not just songs. the context within which any of us hear something controls its meaning.

so for instance francis of assisi, he had a choice between being denounced and his followers hunted down and killed by the church like the cathars or making a sort of peace with the church and being co-opted as a tool of the clerical oppression he opposed. i mean i never knew "money" as anything but a kind of stupid bullshit song that was overplayed on "classic rock radio", having it used in the italian job doesn't bother me any more than that... remember the cover of "another brick in the wall" that was used in class of '99? anybody? i'm sorry, that shit was hilarious. and people were so fucking mad about it and to me that music had been co-opted so hard by that point that it was nothing to me. maybe it meant something to other people, maybe it was deeply meaningful radical statement against oppression to other people, and if they're mad about it i think they got the right to be, it's just not something i'm gonna be mad about myself.

does any of that make sense?

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 19:53 (two weeks ago) link

The world is gonna ruin your special precious thing. If it hasn't happened yet, it will. Nothing will be spared. One day there'll be a Netflix show where someone will be listening to Jandek. Here's the thing, though... Directors and music supervisors put songs in shows because they like them too. So getting upset about this really boils down to "Oh, crap, the wrong sort of people like the same thing I like! Does this mean I'm an asshole like them?"

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 21:53 (two weeks ago) link

Link to a brief thread I started last year, since it's relevant: YouTube comments where people originally learned about the song from a video game.

In terms of the video game references, I'm just completely amused by it, rather than bothered. Shitty movie soundtrack song covers piss me off to no end. The fact that there's a group of people who seen the Italian Job enough times to associate the shitty Velvet Revolver cover with brings it back to hilarity though.

peace, man, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 21:54 (two weeks ago) link

The weird thing is, I LOVE how the songs are used in marie antoinette.

brimstead, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 21:55 (two weeks ago) link

probably don't care about this phenomenon unless it results in a song I really getting overplayed so much I don't want to hear it any more.

mainly just surprised there was a remake of The Italian Job and lots of people seem to have seen it, at first I was like didn't Money come out in the 70s

even the birds in the trees seemed to whisper "get fucked" (bovarism), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 21:59 (two weeks ago) link

The weird thing is, I LOVE how the songs are used in marie antoinette.

Well, sure, because Marie Antoinette is one of the greatest movies ever and the soundtrack is a huge, huge part of that.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 21:59 (two weeks ago) link

Like I can imagine how a Roy Orbison fan must have felt about the way "In Dreams" was used in Blue Velvet... kind of the ultimate example

Think of the poor Stealers Wheel fans!

Lol

Jimmy Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne Mary-Anne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 June 2022 20:28 (two weeks ago) link

Yes, "Hot Blooded" is a great example of a recent-ish song that would have been part of the landscape in the mid 80's, though on the whole Stranger Things is not exactly an exemplar of restraint in establishing the period xp

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 16 June 2022 20:28 (two weeks ago) link

the first episode of Stranger Things has two Jefferson Airplane songs (plus Pearls Before Swine and the Seeds)

Think of the poor Stealers Wheel fans!

― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes)

they'll always have baker street

i was going to say "what stealers wheel fans" but then i remembered that i dig _ferguslie park_

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 16 June 2022 23:01 (two weeks ago) link

the first episode of Stranger Things has two Jefferson Airplane songs (plus Pearls Before Swine and the Seeds)

― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes)

was it "900 million people daily making love"

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 16 June 2022 23:02 (two weeks ago) link

Like play a song from the 50's or 60's when a character walks into a drug store ffs.

Knowing my long running support of the CVS thread, it should come as no surprise that I loved that moment on Girls when Hannah went back to her hometown and ran into her old boyfriend at a drugstore as (IIRC) "Shake It" by Ian Matthews played over the muzak.

If shows want to be realistic, Sixpence None The Richer's "Kiss Me" needs to play every time a character enters a grocery store.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 16 June 2022 23:13 (two weeks ago) link

interior design is often the most heavy handed in establishing the period, like in reality most of the stuff in somebody's house would be at least 10-15 years old. xps

― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, June 16, 2022 3:07 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

The one show that absolutely nails this is Malcolm in the Middle

frogbs, Friday, 17 June 2022 00:07 (two weeks ago) link

they'll always have baker street

I don't remember specifics, but I think "Baker Street" was used pretty well in Mindhunter. Sorry, Stealer's Wheel fans.

clemenza, Friday, 17 June 2022 00:19 (two weeks ago) link

I associate Lisa Loeb’s “Stay” with grocery stores more than with Reality Bites nowadays

Think of the poor Stealers Wheel fans!

Haha... fwiw, I meant the ultimate "Lynch example"; though I guess superfans of the Platters' "My Prayer" may have a similar beef.

Creature Catcher (Live) (morrisp), Friday, 17 June 2022 02:10 (two weeks ago) link

I don't remember specifics, but I think "Baker Street" was used pretty well in Mindhunter.

And used very strangely in Good Will Hunting, where it fades up during a fistfight and fades back out maybe 30 seconds later. Was it coming from a car driving past?

Hideous Lump, Friday, 17 June 2022 04:39 (two weeks ago) link

The one show that absolutely nails this is Malcolm in the Middle

― frogbs,

The visual realism of Malcom in the Middle was totally striking at the time, right?? Considering the dialogue was expositional and very stylized. It would have been a VERY different kind of show if they'd modeled its entire universe after a single "consumer aesthetic" like Frasier, or dressed everyone like a Banana Republic threw up.

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Friday, 17 June 2022 06:39 (two weeks ago) link

"Kiss Me" was inescapable for a time, but i rarely hear it now (and my local supermarket recently switched to an eclectic 90's hits station from a kinda Yacht Rock station). So rarely, in fact, that i have forgotten it exists for years at a time between exposures, thank you so very much for the reminder.

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Friday, 17 June 2022 06:50 (two weeks ago) link

Oh yeah, they had that inverse Hallelujah song that sounds like it's about sex but it's really about god. Ick.

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Friday, 17 June 2022 06:56 (two weeks ago) link

Insofar as I can make out what they're saying, it seems to be about the experience of being awestruck and humbled in various situations, historical, mythical, or personal, so soulful and reverential doesn't seem that inappropriate to me

It's, not to sound too glib, about the sacred in the profane, with these dry, conversational statements leading into more proclamatory, spiritual lines as you head into the chorus. It also has all of these comedic lines that only really work with the pauses Cohen gives them (you say I took the name in vain/I don't even know the name/but if I did/well really what's it to ya?"; "you don't really care for music do ya?"). You need a conversational, chanson-style delivery to make that stuff work, it doesn't if you just sing it in quick succession.

I've not heard the Cale version but the Buckley and Wainwright flatten all these complexities into versions where it basically all sounds like a hymn and the spikiness, the sardonic side, the back and forth of it disappears. Meanwhile, "croak and casio preset" gives the lines full space to unfold and contributes to the song's ambiguous appeal; they make me constantly wonder "is this guy FOR REAL?", and that's what the song is designed to do.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 17 June 2022 08:05 (two weeks ago) link

A lot of that early 60's Pop sounded spooky and otherworldly to me before I ever saw a David Lynch film - he just kind of created a retroactive genre in the same way film noir or yacht rock did imo.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 17 June 2022 08:11 (two weeks ago) link

The songwriters and publishers certainly won't mind.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Friday, 17 June 2022 08:28 (two weeks ago) link

This discussion of “Hallelujah” now makes me want to go back and listen to the original, thx. Maybe now somebody can explain “Suzanne” to me, which I always thought of as a vastly inferior “Little Wing,” although I do like the Fairport Convention version and maybe the Roberta Flack one too.

Jimmy Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne Mary-Anne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 June 2022 10:50 (two weeks ago) link

Also Wikipedia WTF:

Martin Sharp wrote the lyrics for Cream's "Tales of Brave Ulysses" to the melody of this song, specifically the Judy Collins version. Eric Clapton later set Sharp's lyrics to his own music

Jimmy Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne Mary-Anne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 June 2022 10:53 (two weeks ago) link

This one’s for Leonard!

Jimmy Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne Mary-Anne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 June 2022 10:54 (two weeks ago) link

I’m sure it’s in a lot of tv shows and movies, so not a total derail, although I couldn’t tell you which.

Jimmy Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne Mary-Anne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 June 2022 11:00 (two weeks ago) link

A lot of that early 60's Pop sounded spooky and otherworldly to me before I ever saw a David Lynch film - he just kind of created a retroactive genre in the same way film noir or yacht rock did imo.

― Daniel_Rf

Since I first heard it I've thought that Dick and Dee Dee's "The Mountain's High" sounded particularly Lynchian.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 17 June 2022 13:44 (two weeks ago) link

Talking of Gerry Rafferty, I reckon 'The Ark' would make an amazing sync track for a movie.

Maresn3st, Friday, 17 June 2022 14:11 (two weeks ago) link

”Tales of Brave Ulysses”

The crossover here is that Leonard-haters feel he has also been responsible for torturing their naked ears.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 17 June 2022 14:12 (two weeks ago) link

Appropriate well-chosen song + good film, obviously fine. May enhance pleasure of song.
Good song + bad film, also fine. This will pass from my mind and in the meantime I will shout at the screen to accuse the film of cheap piggybacking.
There are funny inbetween cases that stick in my mind tho'… like I was enjoying Palm Springs well enough, and then Barracuda by John Cale soundtracks a big montage… & I'm sort of thinking this is surprising and good to hear and I'm not sure it quite works, but actually maybe it does and it's great. Basically a slight dissonance or confusion means it's taken over Barracuda much more effectively than if it were a perfect or terrible choice.

woof, Friday, 17 June 2022 14:31 (two weeks ago) link

Best version of "Suzanne":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N21472M8p9E

Nutellanor Roosevelt (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 17 June 2022 14:59 (two weeks ago) link

The visual realism of Malcom in the Middle was totally striking at the time, right?? Considering the dialogue was expositional and very stylized. It would have been a VERY different kind of show if they'd modeled its entire universe after a single "consumer aesthetic" like Frasier, or dressed everyone like a Banana Republic threw up.

― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Friday, June 17, 2022 1:39 AM (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

that's why I loved the show from the start - as someone who grew up lower-middle class in the Midwest their house & especially their wardrobe was very spot on. they really nailed the "whatever's cheapest at the thrift store" aspect. with some of Malcolm & Reese's shirts I swear I owned the same one

frogbs, Friday, 17 June 2022 16:13 (two weeks ago) link

the first episode of Stranger Things has two Jefferson Airplane songs (plus Pearls Before Swine and the Seeds)

― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:28 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I'd forgotten about the Seeds! When I first watched it I had to rewind to make sure I didn't imagine that.

Also, S3 finale has Jackie Wilson's "(You're Love Keeps Lifting Me) Higher And Higher."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 17 June 2022 16:31 (two weeks ago) link

Just read last night that Ivo wouldn't let the Amazing Spiderman film use This Mortal Coil despite the director (a big fan) begging him. That was a good call but why did This Mortal Coil appear on Brooker's Newswipe? Because hearing it over images of politicians is honestly one of the times a music usage has bothered me most.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 17 June 2022 20:47 (two weeks ago) link

It was like hearing my sacred music in an advert for dog shit

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 17 June 2022 20:48 (two weeks ago) link

(Your personal feeling aside,) I’m not sure I see a disconnect: by 2010ish Ivo could plausibly have been familiar with and enjoying Brooker’s work for over a decade (TVGH started in 1999), vs probably not being so swept away by 500 Days Of Summer that the head of 4AD would give Sony a free pass at his own work?

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 17 June 2022 21:53 (two weeks ago) link

It does, but not in the ownership sense. As the OP points out, whenever a song is revived by popular media the Youtube comments become flooded with "like this comment if you were brought here by (podcast / youtube streamer / film" etc. The occasionally witty comments are buried and the world becomes a blander, less interesting place. I suppose in the long run the new comments are displaced by a newer set of comments, but the flavour of the comments devolves from original jokes to flat cultural references.

For example, the comments underneath Aldous Harding's "The Barrel" on Youtube used to be funny. They amused me. Some of them made me wish I was as smart and witty as the commentator. So there was a mixture of pleasure (at the funny comment) and pain (at the knowledge that other people are funnier than me) and I find that combination appealing. In fact "The Barrel" itself is a mixture of pleasure and pain. Aldous Harding in general is a mixture of pleasure and pain. Pleasure, because she has a soothing voice, but pain, because she periodically sends me shards of broken glass in the post with sods of earth and enigmatic postcards that reference my failure to win XCOM: EW: Long War without cheating.

After three years the comments underneath that video have been diluted, but there are still gems. But imagine if the song was featured in a podcast, or a Youtube stream. The comments would just become page after page of "I heard this in (podcast)" or "I heard this in (youtube stream)" or "I heard this in (film)". Or "My former partner loved this song, we played it at our wedding (pause) she died, please click the like button". That would be pain and pain. Double pain.

Double pain, because that kind of comment is unentertaining, and it reinforces the sad fact that most people aren't interesting, and also that the vast majority of commentators on Youtube are spambots advertising something. Which is sad, because a world with boring people is a boring world.

You know, that's why I occasionally participate here at Ilxor. It has a mixture of people who are entertaining - but less entertaining than me, so they aren't intimidating - and people who really are more entertaining than me, but that's not so bad because Pagliacci needed a Pagliacci, do you know what I mean? He needed a super-Pagliacci who was a tier higher than him, and presumably super-Pagliacci needed a super-mega-Pagliacci, or perhaps something other than comedy amused him.

Ashley Pomeroy, Saturday, 18 June 2022 21:30 (two weeks ago) link

it reinforces the sad fact that most people aren't interesting

I think a lot of those commenters you’re referring to are like 12 years old; I wouldn’t base your concept of humanity around it.

Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Saturday, 18 June 2022 21:38 (two weeks ago) link

Pagliacci? man I could not name a more suckass clown

Portrait Of A Dissolvi Ng Drea M (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 18 June 2022 21:49 (two weeks ago) link

xp I had an ex 10+ years ago say "They remind me of redneck boys from back home who just started using the internet" and ever since then I stopped being annoyed by it.

Attached by piercing jewelry (bernard snowy), Sunday, 19 June 2022 13:32 (one week ago) link

Watching Shining Girls on Apple TV now. It’s set in 90s Chicago, lots of hip musical posters and t-shirts—Jesus Lizard, Bikini Kill. Songs used on the show by Kleenex, Pylon, Orange Juice, Donnie & Jo Emerson, Pixies

wasn't there an episode of Better Call Saul where Kim Wexler is wearing headphones and they reveal that she is listening to Stereolab? I thought that was super cool

frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2022 18:13 (one week ago) link

I don't mind the "x sent me here" thing at all because frequently enough x is something I've never heard of in my life and it's nice to know there's followings I'm totally unaware of hyping ppl to good songs.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 08:56 (one week ago) link

Not sure what you all get out of reading Youtube comments, period

Vinnie, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 12:04 (one week ago) link

That's an awfully valid point.

pplains, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 12:40 (one week ago) link

tbh every once in a while I come across some good info in there not to be found anywhere else but in general of course you are correct.

Ride into the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 13:06 (one week ago) link

This thread has caused me to go down a rabbit hole in my mind thinking about art and using music to enhance your own art and scores versus soundtracks blah blah blah I now I've come back on myself and decided not to go with any decision on this.

Ste, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 13:51 (one week ago) link

Not sure what you all get out of reading Youtube comments, period

Boomer reveries about perfect Summers with The One That Got Away on every 60's and 70's pop hit, fucking love those.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 14:35 (one week ago) link

"And ever since that rainy afternoon in Brenda Wilmott's bedroom, I've never been able to listen to the Moody Blues' 'Timothy Leary Is Dead' the same way again."

pplains, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 14:47 (one week ago) link

I thought the use of Shellac's "The End of Radio" was awesome in that AP Bio episode. It was a funny episode anyway, but when I heard that kicking in, I about leaped out my chair dying that it was even there.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 21:56 (one week ago) link

It was unexpected, to say the least.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 21:56 (one week ago) link

The movie "Brick" (2005) ends with a big/audacious music cue that made me laugh in appreciation (as in, "I don't think any movie could pull this off, but I like that you went for it")

Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 22:20 (one week ago) link

^^Cosign. Although it would have been more Punk Rock and fun if they'd used the Joy Division cover instead.


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