groups who were the best after their founding members had left!

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pink floyd were best after syd barrett left, genesis were best after peter gabriel left and depeche mode were best after vince clarke left!

xzanfar, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:12 (one week ago) link

genesis were best after peter gabriel left

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they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:34 (one week ago) link

The Stones with Mick Taylor were better than the Stones with Brian Jones.

jimbeaux, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:34 (one week ago) link

I mean, it's a weird one for many reasons, but Guided by Voices fits this. The "classic" lineup was not the founding one.

Flaming Lips?

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:37 (one week ago) link

Paramore has improved substantially since the departure of Josh Farro.

peace, man, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:38 (one week ago) link

Fleetwood Mac.

Fight me.

jimbeaux, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:39 (one week ago) link

All the founding members? Unlikely (although none of the founding members of Judas Priest were still around when they recorded their first album).
One of the founding members? Incredibly common.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:44 (one week ago) link

Judas Priest, really?

They're sort of the heavy metal version of the ship of Theseus.

jimbeaux, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:46 (one week ago) link

Napalm Death

they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:48 (one week ago) link

Kraftwerk after Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother left. Though I do like that first KW album.

A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:59 (one week ago) link

Deep Purple definitely and arguably The Human League.

Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:59 (one week ago) link

MBV obv

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 19:18 (one week ago) link

there’s a case to me made that the pretty things made their imo best LP (parachute) after Dick Taylor left

having said that, dick taylor is great - and subsequently returned - but it is definitely a super strong response to a key member leaving

lemmy incaution (emsworth), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 19:27 (one week ago) link

At that point, Phil May was the only original member left, as early as 1970.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 20:07 (one week ago) link

Fleetwood Mac is otm.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 20:23 (one week ago) link

Buzzcocks were better after Howard Devoto left.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 20:28 (one week ago) link

XTC after Barry Andrews.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 20:34 (one week ago) link

NRBQ

bulb after bulb, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 20:38 (one week ago) link

Cocteau Twins after Will Heggie

Indexed, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 20:48 (one week ago) link

Every single band ever.

everything, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 20:49 (one week ago) link

I think it's kind of hard to compare eras of Fleetwood Mac, they were just different bands

Though I think Then Play On from the Green Era and Bare Trees/Future Games from the Bob Welch era are equal to any of the Buckingham/Nicks era albums

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 21:56 (one week ago) link

Kraftwerk after Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother left. Though I do like that first KW album.

Not founding members though. Michael Rother never played on a Kraftwerk album.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 21:59 (one week ago) link

XTC after Barry Andrews.

Also not a founding member.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:01 (one week ago) link

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― they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:34 AM

otm

also i'm unclear on the specifics of this topic: do all (or the majority) of the founding need to have left? because the cure obviously got way better after mike dempsey left, but he was never really the creative center of the band so not sure that counts.

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:17 (one week ago) link

The real Fleetwood Mac answer is to say you have never listened to their records - you are waiting until Mick Fleetwood leaves, so you can hear the band without any of the deadwood of their original lineup.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:18 (one week ago) link

also otm and fun because i can't wait to start referring to tusk as from the band's "early years."

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:23 (one week ago) link

On a cosmic scale, it definitely was from their early years.

jimbeaux, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:25 (one week ago) link

All the founding members? Unlikely (although none of the founding members of Judas Priest were still around when they recorded their first album).

Come on people, there must be one or two of these out there.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:26 (one week ago) link

Time in 1995 was both 27 years after their debut, and 27 years ago! Anything before that is early Mac.

Renaissance had a completely different lineup after their debut!

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:28 (one week ago) link

Aha! (Not A-ha)

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:29 (one week ago) link

oh stop it, you guys know good and damn well if someone starts talking about "the early years" they mean peter green era.

but lol yes, tusk is my favorite of their early years.

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:31 (one week ago) link

Weird that Annie Haslam was not in the band originally.

Also weird that Miles Copeland was involved.

jimbeaux, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:31 (one week ago) link

yeah I think for this to count the member in question has to have at least contributed to their sound in some way. like I could name a bunch of prog bands that "upgraded" at a certain position but it's generally not someone who was driving their sound. imo Barry Andrews *should* count here because even if he wasn't a "founding member" he does appear on all their early recordings as XTC and even if he didn't write many songs his style really did influence the type of music they wrote. like that's why they got better, nothing from D&W on would really be compatible with him.

I'd also suggest Brian Eno & Roxy Music...I like the Eno records but they got better once he was gone

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:31 (one week ago) link

Weird that Annie Haslam was not in the band originally.

the early years of that band are so strange. they actually started as a Yardbirds spinoff. Keith Reif's sister Jane handled the vocals.

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:36 (one week ago) link

OK, Barry Andrews counts but Klaus Dinger still doesn't.

Tangerine Dream got better after Conrad Schnitzler and Klaus Schulze left - as did Conrad Schnitzler and Klaus Schulze.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:36 (one week ago) link

I'd suggest Malcolm Mooney but idk if his departure/replacement is what actually made the band better. can't imagine them doing some of the Tago Mago stuff with him though

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:39 (one week ago) link

Agree with Roxy; many of the suggestions made so far are early members with strong aesthetic ideas that needed their own groups or solo projects to flower (Eno, Devoto, Neu!, Schnitzler and Schulze).

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:44 (one week ago) link

J Geils Band got better after J Geils left

they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:45 (one week ago) link

the early years of that band are so strange. they actually started as a Yardbirds spinoff. Keith Reif's sister Jane handled the vocals.

Which brings us back to the whole question posed by the ship of Theseus . . .

jimbeaux, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:51 (one week ago) link

xpost I don't think he left he just got lost

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:52 (one week ago) link

I don't necessarily agree but I think a lot of ppl would say Black Flag wrt Keith Morris vs Rollins

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:53 (one week ago) link

oh dang - Rush of course!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:55 (one week ago) link

Rush purportedly told Rutsey that it's not "Working, Man"

they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:56 (one week ago) link

Rush, in 2022 when Lifeson finally replaced Geddy with Maiah Wynne.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 22:57 (one week ago) link

I'd suggest Malcolm Mooney but idk if his departure/replacement is what actually made the band better. can't imagine them doing some of the Tago Mago stuff with him though

I don't think they got better anyway, they just changed into something different, though I suppose that's true of a few of the other examples itt. According to Can themselves, Mooney was very important in the direction of the early band.

Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:01 (one week ago) link

Opeth have no original members:

Opeth was formed as a death metal band in 1989 in Stockholm, Sweden, by lead vocalist David Isberg. In 1990, Isberg asked Mikael Åkerfeldt to join Opeth as a bassist. When Åkerfeldt showed up to practice on the day after Isberg invited him, it became clear that Isberg had not told the band members, including the band's current bassist, that Åkerfeldt would be joining the band. An ensuing argument led to all members but Isberg and Åkerfeldt leaving to form a new project. Isberg and Åkerfeldt recruited drummer Anders Nordin, bassist Nick Döring, and guitarist Andreas Dimeo. Unsatisfied with Opeth's slow progress, Döring and Dimeo left the band after their first performance, and were replaced by guitarist Kim Pettersson and bassist Johan De Farfalla. After the next show, De Farfalla left Opeth to spend time with his girlfriend in Germany, and was initially replaced by Mattias Ander, before Åkerfeldt's friend Peter Lindgren took on the role of bassist. Rhythm guitarist Kim Pettersson left following the band's next performance, and Lindgren switched to guitar, with the role of bassist falling to Stefan Guteklint. The following year, David Isberg left the band citing "creative differences".

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:07 (one week ago) link

Genesis did get better after Gabriel left, but then they got worse again after 'Duke', so both viewpoints are correct.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:08 (one week ago) link

ABACAB is a solid record . . . although my opinion may be heavily influenced by nostalgia, it was the soundtrack of my middle high school years.

jimbeaux, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:15 (one week ago) link

the beatles

aegis philbin (crüt), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:27 (one week ago) link

they were better after paul died tbh

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:46 (one week ago) link

lol

pink floyd were best after syd barrett left

arguably! they certainly were best after bob klose left, tho

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 23:53 (one week ago) link

Tim Dog became a better rapper after he died

they were written with a ouija board and a rhyming dictionary (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:06 (one week ago) link

can't imagine them doing some of the Tago Mago stuff with him though

in a way you're right, because mooney's words and voice still command more focus and occupy a more central space in the music than damo's. on the other hand, mooney really instigated that push towards abstraction and away from the center that damo later fulfills as the vocalist.

i agree with Tom D anyhow. i wouldn't say they got better or worse.

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:16 (one week ago) link

Damos pure chaos energy caused them to get faster/funkier didn’t it? Also not sure how he would handle something like Future Days. Would be cool to hear him doing Moonshake but Bel Air?? Christ

frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:57 (one week ago) link

black flag was best with henry rollins and i like keith morris best with the circle jerks

xzanfar, Thursday, 13 January 2022 01:49 (one week ago) link


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