also Endtroducing was released in 96
― scanner darkly, Friday, 15 October 2021 01:41 (two years ago) link
I love Herbert. What music in 2021 do you hear that was influenced by Herbert's music?
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 October 2021 01:54 (two years ago) link
Bone ThugsMariah CareyShania Twain
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:08 (two years ago) link
Oval definitely, Thrill Jockey released Systemisch and 94diskont in the US in 1996 and the influence of those albums has been a constant throughout the following two decades, arguably among the most influential electronic music of the 90s
Theo Parrish and Moodymann both had records out in '96 and their influence has also been a p constant presence, particularly throughout the 10s
I Care Because You Do came out in '96 and I'm guessing has a degree of influence wrt recent breakcore revival stuff (though according to RYM the foundational album there is Christoph de Babalon's If You're Into It, I'm Out of It which came out the following year)
― missingNO, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:18 (two years ago) link
Not necessarily influential in 2021, so veering off topic here I guess - These albums were released in 1996 and are considered one of the best of their career:
Belle & Sebastian - if your feeling sinisterStereolab - emperor tomato ketchupDj shadow - endtroducingUGK - ridin dirtyGround Zero - 革命京劇 (Revolutionary Pekinese Opera) Ver.1.28Tortoise - millions now living will never dieAphex Twin - Richard D JamesRas Kass - soul on iceBurzum - filosofemRyoji Ikeda - +/-Current 93 - all the pretty little horses2pac - all eyez on meDr Octagon - s/tBeck - OdelayEverything but the Girl - walking woundedCibo Matto - Viva La WomanFugees - The ScoreFiona Apple - Tidal
And that’s all that I can think of right now
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:20 (two years ago) link
Oh wait
Cardigans - first band on the moonred house painters - songs for a blue guitarSun city girls - dantes infernoBusta Rhymes - the comingCat power - what would the community think? (It’s one of her best albums and I wont hear otherwise)
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:24 (two years ago) link
"Crossroads" is the first triplet rapping I can remember.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:25 (two years ago) link
i mean "Tha Crossroads"
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:26 (two years ago) link
Arto Lindsay - mundo civilizadoFountains of Wayne - s/tJamiroquai - traveling without movingCake - fashion nuggetLamb - s/tTricky - nearly god and pre-millenium tensionTool - AenimaAaliyah - one in a millionSublime - s/t
Actually a pretty busy year now that I think about it… I haven’t started looking into singles yet.
Donna Lewis - I love you always forever was massive this year iirc
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:29 (two years ago) link
Sneaker Pimps - 6 underground also released this year
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:33 (two years ago) link
Maxwell’s Urban Hang Suite
― juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:36 (two years ago) link
Are these all artists who are influential in 2021 or is this just a list of stuff from 1996?
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:37 (two years ago) link
I think the latter at this point
― juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:41 (two years ago) link
Foxy Brown
I hear Z100 play way too many piano ballads lately so... Jewel "Foolish Games"
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:50 (two years ago) link
Jordan was wondering about 'artists in 1996 that shaped the next 25 years of music' which is a more interesting question than who in 96 is influential specifically right now in anno 2021 which probably hardly anyone tbh
― missingNO, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:50 (two years ago) link
Ok well I still think the 5 I listed satisfy both questions.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:55 (two years ago) link
I actually do think Maxwell’s debut was influential (and continues to be?), fwiw
― juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 05:01 (two years ago) link
(it def. influenced my roommate Matt to smoke out and hook up)
― juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 05:06 (two years ago) link
Bone Thugs otm
― J. Sam, Friday, 15 October 2021 05:07 (two years ago) link
We could also start listing 2021 artists that owe an influence to 1996 specifically and it doesn't sound like it'd make the question any easier. Nobody has dated to pair artists or releases yet.Or maybe just mid/late 90s trends that can be still be heard now ?
― Nabozo, Friday, 15 October 2021 07:02 (two years ago) link
Tricky is a really interesting one in that he's one prominent, successful and critically acclaimed artist who virtually no one tried to consciously copy, and who initially seemed like an outlier but whose influence (particularly his approach to vocals) has filtered through into contemporary music in a really diffuse and interesting way. When Billie Eilish cited something off Nearly God as an influence there was a real penny drop moment but I think it had been quietly rumbling on for a few years.
Maybe slightly later in his career but the influence of someone like Elliot Smith is directly audible in the music of people like Phoebe Bridgers. That's a significantly less diffuse one.
In terms of the original thread premise the person who most immediately comes to mind is someone like Todd Edwards, who was turning heads in very specific circles by the mid-90s but whose sound and techniques have impacted right across the contemporary gene pool including artists who would never directly vote him as an influence.
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 October 2021 07:58 (two years ago) link
good call on Todd Edwards, similar to Oval insofar as both popularised production techniques that are widely used (ubiquitous in the case of Edwards) by contemporary producers who may be unaware of their exact genesis
― missingNO, Friday, 15 October 2021 08:20 (two years ago) link
Billie Eilish is influenced by trip hop… artists like Tricky, Esthero can be heard in her sound.
She makes a case for trip hop from around this period to be influential to a big artist in 2021.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 15:28 (two years ago) link
I also hear Jamiroquai in the thousand of “funky” indiepop acts that have been sort of “boutique” music in the past couple of years.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 15:31 (two years ago) link
I get that some of the artists mentioned here may have echoes in current artists, but it's hard to say that a lot of them shaped the last 25 years
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Friday, 15 October 2021 16:07 (two years ago) link
Todd Edwards
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, 15 October 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
The Spice Girls were probably more influential than most here
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Friday, 15 October 2021 16:26 (two years ago) link
On that tip, the Backstreet Boys' debut (released ex-US in '96) kind of represents the beginning of the Max Martin Era.
― juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 17:04 (two years ago) link
the spice girls were an anachronism by y2k
― missingNO, Friday, 15 October 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link
https://www.timeout.com/london/news/dua-lipa-just-paid-tribute-to-the-spice-girls-with-her-performance-at-the-brits-2021-051121
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nme.com/news/music/beyonce-once-told-victoria-beckham-how-the-spice-girls-inspired-her-2935022%3famp
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Friday, 15 October 2021 17:32 (two years ago) link
How about Mase as the godfather of mumble rap?
― BrianB, Sunday, 17 October 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link
Three 6 Mafia is probably the best answer
― aegis philbin (crüt), Sunday, 17 October 2021 14:45 (two years ago) link
xp Mase is another Class of ’97 artist, no (?)
― juristic person (morrisp), Sunday, 17 October 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link
I was just thinking about how puff and mase in particular were criticized around that time for a lack of lyricism, like could they even be called mcs? by conscious rap rockists, in a way that seems almost quaint these days, like axel rose complaining about nirvana in 1992.
― BrianB, Sunday, 17 October 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link
What did TLC do in 1996? Crazy Sexy Cool was earlier and Fanmail was later.
Yeah, I guess you're right. They did win the best R&B album Grammy award in 1996, but the album came out late '94. Grammys were late to the party, I guess.
― o. nate, Monday, 18 October 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 15:28 (three days ago) link
Reach imo. Billie eilish is more influenced by xxxtentacion than trip hop
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link
it's a reach that I endorse!
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:48 (two years ago) link
Neurosis Through Silver in Blood was kind of a blueprint for what the Pitchfork-reading kids would call post-metal.
Blut aus Nord released their debut Memoria Vetusta in 1996, which also can be argued as being innovate atmospherically.
Ulver's first album Bergtatt came out in 1995 but I am pretty sure people were still listening the next year (and definitely that band paved the way for a whole lot of stuff).
Only after typing the above did it dawn in me that that was a very formative year for a lot of things that define a lot of metal these days (certainly a lot of the metal that I personally enjoy).
Meanwhile, Kool Keith unleashed Dr. Octagon upon the planet... Surely that counts for something.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 18 October 2021 19:21 (two years ago) link
Entroducing influenced 25 years of This American Life segments
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Monday, 18 October 2021 19:27 (two years ago) link
I hear Z100 play way too many piano ballads lately so... Jewel "Foolish Games"― billstevejim, Friday, October 15, 2021 4:50 AM (three days ago)
― billstevejim, Friday, October 15, 2021 4:50 AM (three days ago)
I wouldn't normally be pedantic about this but I just recently learned that despite appearing on her 1995 debut, "Foolish Games" and "You Were Meant for Me" weren't released as a single until 1997 (after "Who Will Save Your Soul" became a hit, belatedly). This explains why I had mentally filed "Hands" from the second album alongside those singles from the first, despite the 3 year gap separating their respective albums.
― Nature's promise vs. Simple truth (bernard snowy), Monday, 18 October 2021 20:11 (two years ago) link
― xheugy eddy (D-40)
http://www.mtv.com/news/3119037/pop-goes-industrial-nu-metal/
MTV agrees with me!
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 18 October 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
But just months into 2019, a new trend has emerged, with some pop artists tapping into sonic corners more unexpected than typical millennium-pop nostalgia: trip-hop, nu-metal, industrial, and breakbeat hardcore. In January, Billie Eilish, one of the singer-songwriters positioned at the top of pop's new class, released "bury a friend." The song was a spooky, unsettling slice of weirdo electronica that found the 17-year-old drifting from the ethereal alt-hip-hop of previous hits "Ocean Eyes" and "Bellyache," and leaning into dark trip-hop territory, resurrecting the slow, cerebral lurch of Massive Attack's "Inertia Creeps" (off their 1998 opus, Mezzanine) and the eerie wobble of Tricky's "Strugglin'" (off 1995's Maxinquaye).Her trip-hop-inspired lean continued heavily on her debut album, When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? (released March 29), manifesting in the skittering melancholy of "xanny," the eerie dreariness of "goodbye," and the ambient, stormy sorrow of "listen before i go." Eilish also veered into heavier electronic industrial avenues on tracks like "ilomilo," a song preoccupied with death, and "you should see me in a crown," an explosive and diabolical dance-floor slammer with a pit-in-your-stomach beat.
Her trip-hop-inspired lean continued heavily on her debut album, When We All Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? (released March 29), manifesting in the skittering melancholy of "xanny," the eerie dreariness of "goodbye," and the ambient, stormy sorrow of "listen before i go." Eilish also veered into heavier electronic industrial avenues on tracks like "ilomilo," a song preoccupied with death, and "you should see me in a crown," an explosive and diabolical dance-floor slammer with a pit-in-your-stomach beat.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 18 October 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link
When Billie Eilish cited something off Nearly God as an influence there was a real penny drop moment
would love a source for this if you have/remember it matt bc i believe it more than deej does
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 18 October 2021 21:11 (two years ago) link
yea my question is, is this a writer saying "this reminds me of trip hop" or is this billie eilish actually drawing on trip hop
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:17 (two years ago) link
Does an influence have to be direct, with no intermediary artists in the chain?
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:26 (two years ago) link
Billie Eilish fell in love with trip-hop after she heard it the place where the true heads get their fix: in the lobby of a hotel
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link
i.e. where I've heard Massive Attack for 20 years
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link
she does literally sing about a hotel lobby in one of her new songs!
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:46 (two years ago) link
Tricky has mentioned Billie Eilish in a few interviews but is skeptical that she is directly influenced by him:
Recently, someone posted a picture of me from 25 years ago, and the guy said, “Wow it’s funny, Tricky looked like this 25 years ago and all rappers look like that now.” Another person posted a Billie Eilish song and said, “Basically Tricky.” And I thought, “What the fuck does that mean?” So, I heard the song, and I thought it was quite funny, because she might not even know who I am. Some people are influenced by me through other people. The guy from The xx said that he’d been influenced by me, and Billie Eilish could have been influenced by them and not even know who I am. It’s quite weird.
― jaymc, Monday, 18 October 2021 22:54 (two years ago) link
but see, if she was influenced by the xx in that scenario, that's still Tricky "shaping the next 25 years," right?
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:59 (two years ago) link
first Pearl Jam album has aged well imoAic ruledSoundgarden ruledI know, this thread is not about “ruling”
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 19:55 (two years ago) link
things just rule and most are never understood
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link
Well I guess what Eddie Vedder has over his contemporaries in Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice In Chains in terms of legacy is that he is still alive.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
He even (prophetically) sang that!
― juristic person (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 20:05 (two years ago) link
Mark Arm is pretty good at dodging Vedder's assassins
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
This is King Buzzo erasure
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link
I wish smashing pumpkins seemed more influential esp adore era but I don’t feel like they are really? I think the music has aged pretty well but idk about influential
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link
I love AIC but to me they're mostly a throwback to 70s rock/Sabbath and not so much a blueprint for alt rock the 25 years afterwards? Of the major grunge bands I'd probably say they were the best but musically the least "influential".
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link
idk i think they can lay claim to sludge metal
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:46 (two years ago) link
baroness, mastodon, they love aic and you can tell
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:47 (two years ago) link
At thirty years old, the impact and influence of Facelift shows no sign of slowing. Its trademark sound is indelible — traces of it can be found in the DNA of sludge metal and nu metal. The latter would also pick up distortion techniques to add extra grit and texture to their sound.
The combination of hard rock dirge and drawn out vocals is evident in music by Godsmack (who took their name directly from an AIC song title) Dilly Dally, Windhand, and Deftones. The same blend of ethereal vocals and guitar distortion layered over oppressive bass can also be found in dark, folky music by Emma Ruth Rundle and Chelsea Wolfe.
The angst-ridden, brutally honest lyrical themes made accessible in Facelift have become so hardwired into certain genres of metal that it’s hard to imagine what that music might be like without them.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:49 (two years ago) link
I always associate Sludge Metal mostly with the Melvins/Eyehategod bloodline more than AIC but yeah now you mention it, there's definitely an influence there.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link
back when i worked in a club's booking office, they used to call sludge metal "butt rock"
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:14 (two years ago) link