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She needs her own thread.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 15:57 (four months ago) link

Too many posts to C&P:
Top 100 moments in Rebecca Black's "Friday" music video

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 15:57 (four months ago) link

Key points of discussion iirc: the level of intentionality, the quality of the resulting product possibly regardless of intention, cultural norms regarding off-pitch singing in various contexts

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 15:59 (four months ago) link

whether one should hop on the devil fest or judge in disgust

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 15:59 (four months ago) link

I am stuck on Sarah® Brand

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:00 (four months ago) link

What's Rebecca Black up to these days then?

A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:00 (four months ago) link

thank u Sund4r

sleeve, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:10 (four months ago) link

Rebecca Black is having a career resurgence

akm, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:23 (four months ago) link

Next up: Rebecca Black vs Sarah Brand, THE POLL.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:27 (four months ago) link

Whether there is a valid comparison between the two was also a topic of discussion.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:30 (four months ago) link

Posting on a devoted Sarah Brand thread might require more fortitude than I possess, I have to consider.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:33 (four months ago) link

it's an extremely lazy comparison

imago, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:33 (four months ago) link

The video is on a Marissa thread

Mark G, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:34 (four months ago) link

I posted that. it is also on the Rebecca black thread. I see no reason not to have a Sarah Brand standalone thread

akm, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:37 (four months ago) link

It was fun to think about for a day or so, but honestly I'm a little concerned about you guys at this point, lol

Low FODMAP* Snack Ideas (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:16 (four months ago) link

I'm not sure why. I guess you just fail to understand that Sarah Brand has shown us the New Way, that her voice is the Key and her song the Door, that playing her video on an endless loop is the only way to avoid hopping on the devil fest along with all of the other Disgust Judges. I feel sorry for you tbrr.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:26 (four months ago) link

Red Dress (Extended Version) - Sarah Brand (ft Josh Kiszka)

Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:30 (four months ago) link

some people need to stop judging in disgust

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:44 (four months ago) link

this video is on the Kanye thread

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 19:09 (four months ago) link

it was manifestly obvious on the first listen that it was deliberate. she is hitting the same notes over and over again

― imago, Wednesday, July 28, 2021 11:10 AM bookmarkflaglink

doesn't really prove anything tbh - one can be off-key in a consistent way without intentionally doing so. I have a friend who for some reason can never find the correct key for "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" at karaoke night and she consistently sings the same wrong notes, but she's not trying to! and she's a legit singer.

― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), mercredi 28 juillet 2021 12:57 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

what am i doin' heeeeeeeee(*earth tilts off its axis and spins into infinite darkness*)eeeeeeeeeere

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), mercredi 28 juillet 2021 12:59 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

the other thing is she wrote the song, and there are definitely people that can mimic other people's songs, but can't actually tell that what they're writing doesn't fit the key they're in. also people who aren't used to using melisma and don't have a good ear often melisma into Allan Holdsworth territory

― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), mercredi 28 juillet 2021 13:06 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 19:11 (four months ago) link

Instead of negging on her we should be thanking her for all of the new notes she invented. A true musical pioneer.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 19:15 (four months ago) link

everything else suddenly sounds out of tune now

StanM, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 20:18 (four months ago) link

i swear if you fuckers get her in the top 77

Judging by the other thread, I'm already mentally bracing myself for her #22 placement in the 77. Hopefully by then it'll just require a stifled gag instead of a full throated barfing.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 20:33 (four months ago) link

Hey, Grimes got to #1 and all I did was make fun of her Tiktoks.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 20:38 (four months ago) link

so she's a sociology grad student at Oxford, hmmm

sleeve, Thursday, 29 July 2021 00:32 (four months ago) link

She went to Cal… Go Bears.

Low FODMAP* Snack Ideas (morrisp), Thursday, 29 July 2021 00:52 (four months ago) link

My expectation is still that this has more to her do with her interest in religion and politics than some kind of meta-troll/study but I do think there's something, uh, sociologically interesting about the level of vitriol and condescension in the Youtube comments she's gotten over the last few days, just for singing out of tune - in self-made videos by a previously unknown grad student, done afaict with borrowed equipment. There seems to be a belief that she's wealthy, spoiled, and narcissistic, and needs to be taken down a peg, none of which has been substantiated afaik.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 29 July 2021 00:55 (four months ago) link

extremely otm

sleeve, Thursday, 29 July 2021 00:58 (four months ago) link

apart from issues of misogyny and the thing we were discussing in the other thread about "off-key" singing being more annoying/noticeable in higher ranges (more associated with female voices) there is really nothing very interesting about this person's work. Like, it doesn't suck badly enough to be impressive, it isn't unique enough to be interesting, and it definitely isn't good or enjoyable, though maybe people think she's hot? idk.

sarahell, Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:03 (four months ago) link

^more or less OTM. Neither song/video is very compelling from any angle (IMO), and the existence of misogyny on the Internet is hardly a newsflash (though I guess it's reminder #26 this week, for anyone who needs it).

Low FODMAP* Snack Ideas (morrisp), Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:10 (four months ago) link

It's always weird when one of the millions of randos posting things on the internet suddenly gets the spotlight turned on them for no particular reason. I've certainly seen my share of worse and weirder things that no one seemed to care about.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:11 (four months ago) link

here is another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIsX3Fu3VfQ

sarahell, Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:12 (four months ago) link

this one is by a guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VilpAzvSysc

sarahell, Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:16 (four months ago) link

xpost omg u saw the butthole cut of Cats?!!

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:16 (four months ago) link

if anything, this thread is exhibit a for why we should start WeHole-ing it again

(http://www.wehole.tv/)

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:17 (four months ago) link

Go Bears

sarahell, Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:22 (four months ago) link

Cast your slings and arrows but she is serving in that dress

cerebral halsey (rip van wanko), Thursday, 29 July 2021 04:02 (four months ago) link

also this song rips the chorus of "Wildest Dreams" more than anything else

cerebral halsey (rip van wanko), Thursday, 29 July 2021 14:35 (four months ago) link

I would be extremely impressed if someone was able to fake tone deafness to that degree. I think it would actually take extraordinary musical talent to do. At the same time, the video is uncanny because it's just hard to imagine all these people happily participating in this without dying inside at hearing what the song sounds like.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 29 July 2021 14:48 (four months ago) link

But that's kind of the only thing that's interesting about it at all to me - the tension between her polished look and polished video production and the abysmal singing. And it's not *that* interesting and I probably wouldn't have even given it another thought if this thread hadn't popped up. TBF, maybe would have cared more if this happened ten years ago. Social media has kind of numbed me to OMGWTF internet bullshit.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 29 July 2021 14:50 (four months ago) link

Fondly recalling the days when a more innocent nation’s hearts were captured by William Hung (also a Cal student at the time).

Low FODMAP* Snack Ideas (morrisp), Thursday, 29 July 2021 15:18 (four months ago) link

I just find the dissonances interesting, especially in context, but I will freely acknowledge that I might be overrating it in reaction to the hate.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Thursday, 29 July 2021 18:28 (four months ago) link

chorus gets lodged in my head every time someone bumps this thread

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 July 2021 18:30 (four months ago) link

Brand(ed) on the brain?

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 29 July 2021 18:36 (four months ago) link

gonna give myself a lobotomy to get the chorus out of my head

bon ivermectin (Murgatroid), Thursday, 29 July 2021 20:23 (four months ago) link

There's a massive clue at the end of the video.

Sarah dancing in the church, congregation look amused, etc. But, no soundtrack. Just the ambient noises and some shoe squeaking.

I reckon the video was made without the music playing....

Mark G, Thursday, 29 July 2021 21:06 (four months ago) link

the women in the drink rum video definitely put Ms. Brand to shame in the posterior category. Oi mates.

sarahell, Thursday, 29 July 2021 22:36 (four months ago) link

xxp I never thought of it that way. Maybe the singing is so strange because she recorded it after making the video!

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 30 July 2021 00:18 (four months ago) link

They were persistent with their questioning, though, and not in an overtly rude way.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 31 July 2021 12:49 (four months ago) link

It could be worse but, despite their insistence, she was answering the questions they asked, just not in the terms of the assumptions they were bringing to it. "What's the deal with you? Are you actually this bad?" was basically the line of questioning they were persistent about, and it's pretty condescending and hard to answer. Every time she did try to explain her artistic goals (which seem p consistent w my reading, I think: the dissonance of the voice with the musical setting reflects the alienation of the protagonist in the church setting), they cut her off and insisted she wasn't answering them - they never came back to the lyrical message, like they said they would. They then jumped to the theory that this is some large-scale sociology experiment, not really backed up by what she was saying, which she mostly giggled in response to.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 31 July 2021 13:11 (four months ago) link

Tbf, though, I was halfway through when I said they were assholes. It got better, esp when they discussed some of the Youtube comments.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 31 July 2021 13:18 (four months ago) link

I imagine she would have given them what they consider a direct answer if they phrased the question as something like "are you trained as a singer?" or "were you trying to sing like a regular country singer?" but they seem unable to think outside their own standards of "good singing".

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 31 July 2021 13:39 (four months ago) link

I think they were right to present her with the "large-scale sociology experiment" theory, as it's been mooted so often in her YT comments. I just liked the way that she deftly parried their attempts to get her to say that she was a bad singer, and I also liked it when they acknowledged her skill in outsmarting them ("you're GOOD!"), concluding that the mystery was best left unsolved. And since she responded with such good grace throughout, I ultimately got a friendly vibe from the whole conversation.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 31 July 2021 14:07 (four months ago) link

Maybe it's Canadian assholery. :P Agree that she handled it well.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 31 July 2021 14:15 (four months ago) link

But yeah, they got a lot nicer in the second half.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 31 July 2021 14:20 (four months ago) link

It still felt like an impromptu change of strategy because they didn't expect her to fend off their questions so deftly.

pomenitul, Saturday, 31 July 2021 14:23 (four months ago) link

we love sarah brand now, basically

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 31 July 2021 14:54 (four months ago) link

*points gun* always have done

imago, Saturday, 31 July 2021 15:59 (four months ago) link

SARAH IS TEARING US APART

looks like quite a few more time bombs await on the full album

Album Tracks (...coming soon...)

Red Dress (single & music video: July 7th)
Fantasy (single & music video: June 15th)
How Do I Explain
American Gap Rap
Breaking Down
Cliches
Movie Screen
Cr@zy
The Critics Lie
Anyplace
The Fig Tree
(Rainbow)
EyEs

swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Saturday, 31 July 2021 16:23 (four months ago) link

I can see the storms brewing in your eyes, forks.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 31 July 2021 16:44 (four months ago) link

American Gap Rap

welp it was fun while it lasted

Karl Havoc (DJP), Saturday, 31 July 2021 17:22 (four months ago) link

oh come on, that is by far the most exciting track on that list
milkshakes for everyone

"The Critics Lie (like kites)"

Mark G, Saturday, 31 July 2021 18:42 (four months ago) link

Imagine being the person that has to mix those tracks. Hand on the mouse, hovering over the Melodyne Plug-In as you silently weep.

Maresn3st, Saturday, 31 July 2021 19:09 (four months ago) link

ok, after listening to the interview I am also now On Team Sarah, however not to the extent of actually wanting to listen to her music.

A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 31 July 2021 19:19 (four months ago) link

ILM precovers surely

in a bar, under the (seandalai), Sunday, 1 August 2021 01:48 (four months ago) link

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-58047513.amp

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 09:21 (three months ago) link

Basically, they've found her and she answers the question.....

Mark G, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 12:54 (three months ago) link

wow what a head-fake!

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 13:45 (three months ago) link

I note that she does not say if the song was related to her academic work.

Bo Burzum (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 13:55 (three months ago) link

if she's singing deliberately poorly as an artistic statement related to the 'outsider' theme of her lyrics then that's really good because of how strange a move it is

ufo, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:04 (three months ago) link

There are also the non–Red Dress songs where her singing is just as weird, so…(?)

Malibu Cheer Chants Forensics (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:08 (three months ago) link

She doesn't know how to sing and is cleverly making the best of it.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:10 (three months ago) link

(btw, she has an awesome attitude)

Malibu Cheer Chants Forensics (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:14 (three months ago) link

She doesn't know how to sing and is cleverly making the best of it.

Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:15 (three months ago) link

Yeah, she's completely upfront. xps:

She admitted to the BBC that she is "no professional singer".

She added: "The style in which I sing the song was important because it reflected the story.
"The vocals don't seem to quite fit, they seem out of place and they make people uncomfortable... and the video is this outsider doing things differently and causing discomfort and eliciting all this judgement."

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:16 (three months ago) link

Unless all of her songs are sung from the point of view of an "outsider doing things differently and causing discomfort", it's an ex post facto justification - but I still love the way she's fronting.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 15:50 (three months ago) link

otm

Malibu Cheer Chants Forensics (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 15:52 (three months ago) link

Well I was expecting something unlistenable but this is quite pleasant. I like her voice.

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 16:13 (three months ago) link

It extent of the kerfuffle really does say something about expectations, in terms of how little pitch deviation is allowed into pop productions, and maybe in how it's been further discovered in the context of being "bad." It might be pushing it slightly but it's not *that* bad and I think it is actually enjoyable. Old man says this is infinitely preferable to excessive autotune.

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 16:21 (three months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ptQatdjOFM

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 16:33 (three months ago) link

I mean, whether you like it or not is absolutely a subjective thing but I maintain that "has the ability to match and maintain pitch in the context of a non-dissonant backing track" isn't an unreasonable expectation to have of a pop singer.

Karl Havoc (DJP), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 16:57 (three months ago) link

Sure, but what remains is the response to that expectation being somewhat confounded.

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:17 (three months ago) link

Unless all of her songs are sung from the point of view of an "outsider doing things differently and causing discomfort", it's an ex post facto justification - but I still love the way she's fronting.

The dissonance can still work that way even when it's not the lyrical theme. I think the way she uses it in "Fantasy" has a surreal quality, which again fits.

Old man says this is infinitely preferable to excessive autotune.

OTM

I mean, DJP is right, of course - I wouldn't want every singer to sound like this - and this only works because there is a norm that this is defying.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:33 (three months ago) link

She's also only a 'pop singer' in the broad sense of the term that would also include Danielson Famile's singers. These are self-released indie songs.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:38 (three months ago) link

Well she also covered a Taylor Swift song in the same "style." I guess if it works for someone in that context, it works anywhere.

Malibu Cheer Chants Forensics (morrisp), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:43 (three months ago) link

Taylor Swift's own s/t-Fearless-era live performances not always a model of "matching and maintaining" pitch tbf.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:51 (three months ago) link

trying to mimic the awkwardness of t-shirt wearing bleacher dwellers iirc

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:57 (three months ago) link

haha

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 17:57 (three months ago) link

sarah bland

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 20:03 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

She's back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cITvIxVNAN0

mike t-diva, Friday, 19 November 2021 15:37 (one week ago) link

on brand

apparent beef squash (morrisp), Friday, 19 November 2021 16:14 (one week ago) link

Exaggerated Autotune abuse does seem like a good response to the previous flak but still not sure what to make of this; I think I want either the rapping to be better or the production to be more mental.

treat the gelignite tenderly for me (Sund4r), Friday, 19 November 2021 17:11 (one week ago) link

while she is clearly going for another shitpost, this one isn't weirdly pleasant to listen to

imago, Friday, 19 November 2021 20:12 (one week ago) link

too boxy and irregular to be passed without a bit of tearing

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 20 November 2021 19:40 (one week ago) link

doctor said that when i was born

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 20 November 2021 21:38 (one week ago) link

lightning not gonna strike twice here. whatever her intent was, she's now In On The Joke

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 20 November 2021 21:49 (one week ago) link


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