RFI: C/D: S/D - Sudden Sway

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For some reason the other day I found myself singing "Sing song" by Sudden Sway, at least one of the eight versions of it (I think it was version 8, the overtly 'pop' version) and wondering a few things.

Like, I've got 3 of the 8 versions of "Sing song", 1,3 and 8 - does anyone out there in ILM-land have the others and can we make a complete set?

And how come Warners refuse point blank to re-issue "Space mate" (which I missed buying in 1986 and deeply regret ever since)

And how come they just kind of disappeared into the art world after all those strange concept albums?

So - any info on their whereabouts? Any opinions, CDs, or anything at all?

Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 25 November 2002 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Rob

Check out Tony Jordan's site at http://www.suddensway.freeserve.co.uk
It should tell you everything you need to know.

There's also a Yahoo! group (there are nine members - care to bring us into double figures?)

!!!

I wish they'd re-release Spacemate too. And '76 Kids Forever for that matter.

Zanny Gognet (Zanny Gognet), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 09:43 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
I'm reviving this 'cos I found the recent CD reissue of '76 Kids Forever in Notting Hill MVE on Thursday for a fiver. Quite extraordinary record - imagine Big Brother inmates attempting to do a kids-are-all-here musical but with A Certain Ratio as their backing band (I think this originally came out in '88). Some of the singing was recorded over telephone chatlines. What does anyone else who's heard this make of it?

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 17 November 2003 13:35 (fifteen years ago) link

This is amazing, I was considering a thread about Sudden Sway. I remember bumping into Norman Blake (of Teenage Fanclub) and he had a copy of "Spacemate" under his arm and I remember thinking, "There goes the only other person in Glasgow to have bought that album."

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:41 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I was "going" to buy Spacemate, but the recordshop assistant would not get it from off the shelf to allow us to have a look at it, in Maidenhead. (The shop's not there now).

I did have a complete set of the "Singsong" singles, sold them but kept a tape which I found the other day.

The twelve inch version picked three versions, which ones I don't know.

I remember hearing "Let's Evolve" on Peel when the 12" was issued. I remember thinking "SHUT UP!!!"

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 April 2005 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, and I've got that "Gary Gorilla" single thingy...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 April 2005 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link

All right, so I have now seen that link. Two versions on the 12".

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 April 2005 09:50 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm still listening to Ko-Opera after all these years. It's a great, unique sounding album with a mellow dancey vibe kinda like XTC meets acid house (except good). It has a great/bizarre cover too. You know these people like the Field Mice (or Style Council) where you hear about how they went electronic and when you hear it it turns out to be lame? This is like that (except good).

everything (everything), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

sadly my copy of Spacemate is severely depleted.
i have the mixed speed vinyl, i have the multitude of inserts/game, but the flimsy box died many many years ago.
but i am going to dig out KO-Opera tomorrow, its been years since i heard it, and at the time i wasn't overly impressed, but in these revised electro-pop lovin' times the album may make a lot more sense.
and yes - the cover is weird with the print on tracing paper.

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

It does make more sense nowadays - I'm thinking along the lines of Hot Chip and the Junior Boys.

My cover has no tracing paper but has another cover printed on the inside. Some sort of (possibly invented) reggae artist I think.

everything (everything), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

yeah - from memory the Hot Chip/Junior Boys connection would seem about right.
so we have differing covers for Ko-opera, never realised there were variations (though given the number of 7" versions of Sing Song i guess it should not be a surprise)? mine is a 3 way fold out on tracing paper - and to see the whole cover you have to fold it all together, and the lettering/print is scattered across various places on the cover .. very minimal, no artwork really. almost tDR in scope and look. i think its a rough trade release, but will confirm tomorrow - along with tracklisting (could that be different as well ?)

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...
ok, here's how my copy of this album looks :

http://www.climacz.com/images/cds/5014644601429.JPG

dug out Space Mate today
wow its good ..
oh to have this reissued on non-scrathed silver disc.

mark e, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

Space Mate...is that new? Oh I see...from '86...I will have to look that up, I don't know why I don't remember that one. My fave thing by them is the "To You With Regard" EP from 1981 (I think). I remember when I found that in a record shop in Philadelphia I was soooo thrilled. It wasn't exactly easy to come by.

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

re space mate : good luck !

http://rhodri.biz/pix2/spacemate_hits.jpg

its truly wonderful stuff - even if the vinyl is scratched to hell and back.

mark e, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

Actually my guess is that Spacemate thing was just such crazy packaging no one wanted to bother importing it into the States. I do remember reading about it.

Here's a blog that has a picture of the Spacemate stuff and a Peel Session track from '84 called Hypnostroll. (Scroll down the page)
http://rhodri.multiply.com/

xpost!! We were thinking of the same blog?? Hahaha

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:57 (twelve years ago) link

Damn..is it on s1sk???

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

yes indeed - i have all the inserts in great condition (better than the records to be honest), but the box dies a sad lonely death.
... am grabbing those peel sessions right now !
got an uncontrollable urge going on now ..

xpost - no idea re ss as i aint into all that .. but i may have to ask a friend being the 2 faced hypocrit i am

mark e, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

Rip that sucker to your computer, mate!

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

one of my all time regrets is seliing that spacemate box.

stirmonster, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

oooh. bad thread revival then stirmonster, apologies.
but hey, lets evolve!

mark e, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

Come on! You folks have got to help, here! :( I don't understand all these torrent sites and I'm not sure if I even like them...they have a lot of ads and not much good obscure stuff. Maybe someone who has greater inside knowledge than I can search for this. Does it exist??

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:13 (twelve years ago) link

going to ask a friend to find stuff on those areas of the net.
if he/i succeed, i will return to the thread and announce the joy etc.

mark e, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks! I have looked around a bit and I do believe this one is nigh on impossible to get ahold of. There is no shame in any of this.

Bimble, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

four months pass...

Once again, can anyone help me find Spacemate? I found two tracks on s1sk but the person who had them doesn't seem to ever be on anymore.

Bimble, Saturday, 15 September 2007 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

Bump at a better hour for maximum Brit exposure.

Bimble, Sunday, 16 September 2007 06:18 (twelve years ago) link

Well okay it's 7:30 am there, but at least I'm getting closer.

Bimble, Sunday, 16 September 2007 06:18 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I'd like to know/have this too.

Mark G, Monday, 17 September 2007 09:35 (twelve years ago) link

It's okay I talked to the guy who had it last night but once again before I knew it he was gone. He'll come back.

Bimble, Monday, 17 September 2007 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

I'll hunt out the tape of the eight singsongs at some point.

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 08:48 (twelve years ago) link

I worry about what state my copy of this is in - it's in my mum's house somewhere. O Copper Eskimo!

Tom D., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 08:51 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Hmm, doesn't that box set bear a passing resemblance to the Radiohead box?

Mark G, Monday, 26 November 2007 14:04 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, and I got the 12" of Sing Song the other day.

Version 8 on the a-side. Funny, if you look around, version 8 seems to be the only 7" version you can find!

(I did have all eight singles, bought as a set, back in the day. I did tape them all, will have to dig that cassette out!)

Mark G, Monday, 26 November 2007 14:06 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

I worry about what state my copy of this is in - it's in my mum's house somewhere

It is in my mum's house but i fear the box and insets are long gone... anyway brought the album down to London to listen to, what a great album! "Ah Metal Blossom"! "Drink Extravite"! "Official Sway Look"! This must be re-released! Someone!

Also had a good listen to "'76 Kids Forever": the music's not as good as the concept and to appreciate the full majesty of the track "Barmy Army", you really need the single version. "Ko-Opera" is fairly poor, boring music (apart from "Byron Chocolotheoria") and I don't know what it's actually about, I think have forgotten.

Also a shame the 'Hypnostroll' Peel Session was never released.

Tom D., Saturday, 5 January 2008 12:53 (eleven years ago) link

I actually did find Spacemate after all, but it didn't hold my interest, sadly. Maybe I just wasn't in the right mood.

Bimble, Monday, 7 January 2008 06:56 (eleven years ago) link

:(

Tom D., Monday, 7 January 2008 14:04 (eleven years ago) link

And I still haven't found that cassette.

Mark G, Monday, 7 January 2008 14:08 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

I did find a web page with all eight versions on a 'streamplay'

but you can get the mp3s off yr temporary space if you do.

Also, just got a promo 12" single MEDIA/RETAIL which tells more! (or does it?)

Mark G, Friday, 4 April 2008 14:22 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

"Don't bring us up, Mum
On anything else, Mum
The Project Program
So we're grown up
When we're young, Mum!"

Tom D., Tuesday, 22 April 2008 12:55 (eleven years ago) link

I've lost my mind over their 1982 7" which I never even knew existed until now. Christ.

Bimble still loves you

I remember the day I found that EP of theirs called "To You With Regard". I found it in a Philadelphia record store. I was absolutely aghast cause I never thought I'd find it. This was extra weird because I actually saw a guy in that store who I knew from my hometown which was 2 hours away. This is what it was like, folks. I had to drive 2 or more hours to find the records which are so easily available through you computers. But yeah it was weird, I saw this guy at the store flipping through records like me, and I knew him from my hometown 2 hours away by car. I never really knew him all that well, though.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 4 May 2008 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

I had to drive 2 or more hours to find the records which are so easily available through you computers.

What I mean is now you find them through computers, but then you had to FUCKING GET IN A CAR AND DRIVE

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 4 May 2008 22:22 (eleven years ago) link

anyway if no Brits respond to this thread revival I shall revive in the morning

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 4 May 2008 22:30 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

good grief !
all 8 versions of sing, Song online : here

mark e, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:16 (eleven years ago) link

Can you save them though?

Tom D., Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:26 (eleven years ago) link

Yes, if you play them, the mp3 files can be found in your temporory internet files space.

Mark G, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:27 (eleven years ago) link

ha. as ever, mark g on the case.
so which one is the Adrian Sherwood version ?

mark e, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:28 (eleven years ago) link

I remember the day I found that EP of theirs called "To You With Regard".

I've got TWO copies! I remember reading, years ago, about that "Traffic Tax Scheme" single + game + computer programme + whatever, but I never thought I'd ever hear it!

Tom D., Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:29 (eleven years ago) link

so which one is the Adrian Sherwood version ?

i'm guessing "s-o-o-h-s-i-n-g" ?

mark e, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:30 (eleven years ago) link

Yes, if you play them, the mp3 files can be found in your temporory internet files space.

I can't get them to play on the computer I'm on at the moment, but I'll try it later on another one.

Tom D., Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:32 (eleven years ago) link

Found an old tape of the 2nd Peel session when I back up at my mum's house last month - result!

"Delegates of COSETECH, all systems are positively and negatively balanced!"

Tom D., Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:37 (eleven years ago) link

The Adrian Sherwood version is "m-i-x-x-s-i-n-g"

C'mon!

Mark G, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:38 (eleven years ago) link

ahh . i never got around to that one .. here goes ..

mark e, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:45 (eleven years ago) link

ah ha .. of course.

mark e, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:46 (eleven years ago) link

A little while ago, I tried to collect all 8. (I used to have them all as a pack, shrinkwrapped together, that I got at a record fair)

The funny thing was, every one for sale on GEMM or e-bay, was always V8, i.e. the Andy Hill version that maje it to the album, eventually.

The 12" was of V8 on the a-side, and one of the others on the b-side with the 'message' track as per the single.

I suspect the 8 version pack was purely issued as promo, and the shops only got the 'commercial' version. It even had been made using that 'direct press ink/relief label' that was around at that time.

Mark G, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 08:50 (eleven years ago) link

OK, having listened to them all, I realise I've heard 5 of them before, tho it's maybe more amazing that I remember them!

Tom D., Wednesday, 21 May 2008 13:35 (eleven years ago) link

Mark G...can you be a little more specific about that Temp Internet Files folder? I'm on Windows XP and tried this last night...did a search but couldn't find anything that looked like the Sudden Sway tracks.

Anyway I don't have time to catch up with this thread right now so sorry if this has already been discussed in more detail.

Bimble, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 13:41 (eleven years ago) link

... I got to them by opening Tools / Internet Options on the browser and then Settings for Temporary Files and then View Files - that's from memory, can't do it on the computer I'm on now

Tom D., Wednesday, 21 May 2008 13:45 (eleven years ago) link

the temp folder is by default a hidden directory.
However, under IE7 options you can open the directory quite easily.
Tools > Internet Options > Browsing History > Settings > View Objects
Now order the listing by type - and voila !
a bunch of mp3s should be listed .

[xpost !].

mark e, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 13:51 (eleven years ago) link

Oh yeah, that's what I did, but explained a lot better!

Tom D., Wednesday, 21 May 2008 13:54 (eleven years ago) link

nine months pass...

The 12" single was the V8 Andy Hill 'commercial' version, which made it to the album. b-side was an instrumental version, and the 7" bside 'marketing message' b-side.

There was also one Retail/Media promo 12"

Posted, mainly because of finding this;

http://castlesinspace.blogspot.com/2009/01/sudden-sway-spacemate.html

Mark G, Wednesday, 18 March 2009 16:37 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Found myself wondering whatever became of Michael McGuire when I stumbled across his interesting pre-Sudden Sway history, specifically the punk band The Now, who recorded a reunion album in 2005!

Tom D (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 February 2011 13:46 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIrdrzeyK6M

Tom D (Tom D.), Saturday, 13 April 2013 09:13 (six years ago) link

Thatcher's Britain!

Tom D (Tom D.), Saturday, 13 April 2013 09:17 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Revive, because I just bought a "Spacemate", the box a bit shab but its all in one piece, and everything is in it, MVEBerwick Street, £10 can't be bad.

Mark G, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 15:35 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

A while ago I finally got some decent mp3s of Ko-opera after finding out it was released on cd which somehow I missed. Fucking great album. And someone recently put the whole thing on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCKaA6-H7ew

everything, Saturday, 13 February 2016 00:58 (three years ago) link

I'm still looking for the 12" single of remixes for not daft price.

Mark G, Saturday, 13 February 2016 01:13 (three years ago) link

The "Between You and Me" one? I wish. I wish I had everything by them on vinyl.

everything, Saturday, 13 February 2016 01:25 (three years ago) link

I have pretty much the lot on nice CDR discs, labels and art done.

I did a 4 disc 'spesh' on that Spacemate set, 1 per side, with the 'singsong' set as disc 5,

Mark G, Saturday, 13 February 2016 13:32 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

Revive, because I just bought a "Spacemate", the box a bit shab but its all in one piece, and everything is in it, MVEBerwick Street, £10 can't be bad.

wow score, median £77.50 on Discogs! that album is brilliant, I only listened to this band in the last couple of years and it's strange how little talked about they are for how good they were

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:46 (one week ago) link

As an aficionado of punk stuff, Colonel, I wonder if you're aware of Michael McGuire's pre-Sudden Sway punk band the Now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDdD0FoLtQk

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Saturday, 5 October 2019 23:21 (one week ago) link

yes, I have their Fuzztone Fizzadelic compilation - but I had no idea there was a connection between the 2 bands before!

Colonel Poo, Sunday, 6 October 2019 10:44 (one week ago) link

I remember Let's Evolve from it being on peel and then on a tape I listened to a lot after grabbing bits off his show.
I think the studio sound was pretty different wasn't it?

Stevolende, Sunday, 6 October 2019 10:49 (one week ago) link

I've never heard the Peel session but it looks like it was from 1983 - they did a couple of singles 81-82 then there's a gap from 83-86, so maybe they changed their sound during that hiatus?

Colonel Poo, Sunday, 6 October 2019 11:00 (one week ago) link

Oh man, you HAVE to hear the two Peel sessions.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 October 2019 11:15 (one week ago) link

I remember tuning into that peel session 2 minutes into "Let's Evolve" and thought it rub.

Obviously, I have it now (the cassette single because trendy, 50p recently), its OK.

Mark G, Sunday, 6 October 2019 14:28 (one week ago) link

It's good but it's getting better.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 October 2019 14:29 (one week ago) link

aher heh heh woine bar aher heh heh cosy place between town and countroy

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 October 2019 14:33 (one week ago) link


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